[blacknwhitespade]

Does anybody have any personal accounts of what happens to "strong independent women"??? Career types that are found in big cities or elite university campuses, city snobs, type-As, smart girls, high-end, and hyper-competitive. Doctors, Lawyers, PhDs, Businesswomen.

I've had dates with some of these women and I'm just curious. Obviously these women don't marry young, but if they ever marry at all, what do the men/relationships look like that they get involved with? Do a lot of them just stay perpetually single?? Do they date or whore around much? Are their eventual LTR/Marriages often successful?

[WalterBlack]

I know one woman who has a pretty high level job – she’s 43 & never married. She’s going online and trying to find successful men to marry and have a kid with in the next 2 years. She said if that doesn’t work out she’ll use her (borderline gay) highly educated male friend as a sperm donor. He has already agreed to becoming her babbydaddy.

She’s got a sister who’s 10 years older – she’s a very successful businesswoman and makes 7 figures a year. She was in love with one guy years ago but he never felt the same way. After that she never got involved with any men. She had a kid with a sperm donor and her daughter is now 8. She’s totally committed to her business and after her daughter was born she dumped the baby with her parents and moved to the East Coast for a job. The parents live on the west coast. She’s back in LA now, but her daughter is mainly raised by her parents.

I've banged a couple of women like this - in my experience a lot of these women and too busy with work to want have relationships, they like to meet guys purely for sex. They’re easy to bang…they tend not to be slutty though…they’d rather bang the same guy again and again rather that ride multiple cocks.

It’s a bit like banging a single mother – their kids come first and they want to bang when they’re not babysitting. With career women their job comes first and they want to bang on the rare occasion they get home early from their jobs.

[Travesty]

^ That's atrocious if she has that much money she could stop working and raise her daughter.

[WalterBlack]

(09-26-2014 05:48 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

^ That's atrocious if she has that much money she could stop working and raise her daughter.

Some people are just motivated by work. There’s a guy at my company who’s really high up and makes $8M a year. He’s in 70s and still works…I'm guessing he's probably got at least $50M sitting in the bank. If I was 70 years old with $50M in the bank I’d be sitting on the beach chilling, with my dick in a hot girl’s mouth.

[Bacchus]

[Travesty]

^^

People motivated like that are souless in my opinion unless they are donating almost all the money they keep earning to research and charities that help humanity

I respect what Gates and Buffett do with their enormous foundation for instance.

Working to the grave for the sake of work is strange.

[The Beast1]

They all tend to end up in unhappy marriages.

But they're doing it wrong. The goal is to set up businesses that work on their own with minimal interference. Passive income for the win!

[CRR]

Good question. My experience having worked in finance for so many years and encountering a variety of these types:

Doctor women I know marry other doctors, usually in a higher specialty.

I know a few pretty attorneys who have done a reasonable job of surviving the wall in their mid-late 30s. One is in a relationship with a good guy (not sure what he does), one got married a few years ago and has a kid (husband is very wealthy, not a bad guy either). I know one attractive businesswoman who looks great for her age, 44ish, but never settled down. She's actually nice too.

Then there are a few who married the submissive mid-career beta types. The type of guy who does fairly well, but basically has no problem being bossed around. These are the ultimate keeping-up-with-the-joneses types. You know, wanna be yuppie douches. One guy I work with is like this, lives way over his means due to his demanding wife (she works in a similar capacity to what we do), who is one of those antagonistic not-ugly-but-not-attractive thin women who just sucks to be around. I can't think of another way to describe her, but I think we all know the type.

There are definitely a plethora of career women who are eternally single, unattractive/fat and thus have one choice, which is to marry a much less financially successful, not too attractive guy. I actually have worked with a few of these, and they actually all seemed happily married.

The ones who fair the most poorly are unsurprisingly those that think the party never ends. These are the lawyer/finance types who party too much for too long with the guys, and while men can easily settle down with a younger woman, they of course don't realize that their looks have faded and no man of equal or greater status will even consider them for marriage. Once they hit 30ish, guys stop even looking at them. Also not surprisingly, these are the worst to deal with on a professional level as well. They are on an equal level with the unmarried, bitter mid-career fattie. One used to have it, no longer does and knows it's downhill from here and is pissed about it. The other is pissed about never having it. Both are pissed that men don't give a shit about a woman's career like women do for men. Feminist indoctrination is to blame for that.

Anyway, like anything a lot has to do with the woman's looks and attitude. A female lawyer who is hot is still a hot girl before she's a lawyer. So long as she's not a cunt, desirable guys will still go after her. What happens is a lot of these women in their mid-30s is they have kids and switch to part time work.

[Ensam]

The ones who are successful tend to get married to pretty high powered dudes. It's a pretty ideal relationship for a man at the top of his game. He gets a woman who knows how to behave at parties and can network for him at official events. She'll be busy enough with her own career that he can mess around on the side as much as he wants. The dual income lets them drop $120k on IVF and then pay for a couple of nannies (who he can bang) and boarding school.

[IvanDrago]

(09-26-2014 05:01 PM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  

Do they date or whore around...

They are women. There is no need to ask this question.

[blacknwhitespade]

(09-26-2014 06:40 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

The ones who are successful tend to get married to pretty high powered dudes. It's a pretty ideal relationship for a man at the top of his game. He gets a woman who knows how to behave at parties and can network for him at official events. She'll be busy enough with her own career that he can mess around on the side as much as he wants. The dual income lets them drop $120k on IVF and then pay for a couple of nannies (who he can bang) and boarding school.

So, it's kinda like:

Plan A: marry the next Bill Clinton/Donald Trump
Plan B: stay single, maybe do IVF
Plan C: swallow your pride and marry a beta

[Days of Broken Arrows]

In the creative world (newspapers, magazines, graphic design), a lot of these women marry younger guys.

This works for the women because they can get with a nice-looking, high value man who won't be competing with them since he isn't established yet. It works for the artsy guys because older women are more open to experimentation, usually have less-inhibited sex drives, and are not like the 22-year-olds who hold their nose and say "Ewwww. I'm not gonna try THAT with you!"

The only problem is that it doesn't really work long-term -- as many of these couples find out.

The 33-year-old woman might seem exotically hot when you're 26. But...when you get to be 40, you are now with someone almost 50 and suddenly realize that you could still be with women in their 30s. The aging process is tough on women and you find yourself with someone who has constant aches and pains and is planning for retirement when your friends and their younger wives are leaving for the beach each weekend.

Don't ask me how I know this. My story isn't a happy one.

[catoblepa]

I know a veterinarian woman who's married with a fellow veterinarian. they tend to marry equal or up.

[CRR]

(09-26-2014 06:40 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

The ones who are successful tend to get married to pretty high powered dudes. It's a pretty ideal relationship for a man at the top of his game. He gets a woman who knows how to behave at parties and can network for him at official events. She'll be busy enough with her own career that he can mess around on the side as much as he wants. The dual income lets them drop $120k on IVF and then pay for a couple of nannies (who he can bang) and boarding school.

Very good point.

I'm by no means a high powered guy, but I do go to these events and bringing a woman who knows how to behave is key. One big aspect of my last LTR was the fact that while she was pretty, thin and feminine, her ability to behave at events was a big reason why I stayed with her. Most women are incapable of this, including the ones who work in the field.

[Rutting Elephant]

(09-26-2014 05:57 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 05:48 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

^ That's atrocious if she has that much money she could stop working and raise her daughter.

Some people are just motivated by work. There’s a guy at my company who’s really high up and makes $8M a year. He’s in 70s and still works…I'm guessing he's probably got at least $50M sitting in the bank. If I was 70 years old with $50M in the bank I’d be sitting on the beach chilling, with my dick in a hot girl’s mouth.

I know of an old guy CEO like this. Hardly "soulless," Travesty, since he has 1000+ employees and will only fire one if absolutely necessary. He's joked so many times that if he retired he would eat a bullet that I really think he would lose his will to live.
It's not even a power trip. Decades of eleven-hour days create a powerful habit. And possibly having some Calvinism beat into him as a kid, though I can't confirm this.

[samsamsam]

(09-26-2014 06:31 PM)CRR Wrote:  

These are the ultimate keeping-up-with-the-joneses types.

Fuck the joneses.

[Dusty]

If they are truly alpha females, they have a hard time keeping mates. I know a couple alpha females like that.

1) She is in her mid to late 40s, and still looks great. Nice ass. She has an MBA from a top tier school and has held C-level positions at small tech firms. Gets fired a lot due to her abrasiveness. She's a ball buster. Never married. Gets pumped and dumped a lot. She's pretty upset that she can't keep a man, never married, and will never be a mother.

2) Histrionic psycho with a PhD is psychology. Looked good in her early 30s but was showing signs of early wall contact. A lot of frown and angry forehead wrinkles. Around 40 now. Alpha bitch with a real set of balls. Pumped & dumped a lot. She's pretty upset that she can't keep a man, never married, and will never be a mother. Blames her predicament on men who can't handle a strong woman.

[Travesty]

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[Feisbook Control]

Two such women come to mind immediately.

The first was a lawyer my mother worked with. She was a partner. If I recall correctly, her husband was a friend's sibling or something like that and they met through her friend at a bbq or something. She did whatever lawyers do and he was an artist/stay at home dad for their two kids. I only met them once or twice, and this was when I was a teenager, I think, so I didn't have any real insights into their relationship. She didn't seem to be a massive ball buster, though I am sure she was to some extent. He was a pretty chilled out sort of guy and seemed quite content with his situation because he also got to do his art. He did have some exhibits. As I wrote, I didn't have too much insight beyond what they told me.

The second situation is that of my sister, which I have written a little about before. She studied social work, but went into aged care (at first, she did oversight of locations, but then got more into policy/supervising others). Even before she did an M.A. (some sort of administrative law), she was earning $90,000 in her mid twenties maybe ten years ago. In Australia, that might have put her in the top 1% of people for her age then. Throughout her 20s, she was in two or three LTRs. She might have ridden the carousel a bit at university, but I don't think she did afterwards. Who knows. She had a weird set up with those guys because on the one hand, she was a ball buster, but on the other hand, she had a heart of gold towards them and one of them was a real moocher. I can't really remember what she was up to around the age of thirty (she has lived interstate since she was 19, I was overseas much of the time and didn't have a good relationship with her anyway). I guess when she was about 32-33 she started dating her present husband. He went to my school, but I didn't really know him because he is two years younger than me. They're the same age.

Her husband was a major in the army, then he left and now works as an engineer/manager in the energy sector. I guess he makes pretty big money and their household income is at least a third of a million dollars per year, though they blow through a lot of it eating out and so on. It actually surprises me that they're not a lot wealthier than they are. That's the tax system, cost of living, and consumptive lifestyle they lead though. Pretty common story in Australia these days, I should imagine, which is a whole other topic.

He's definitely beta. I got to know him earlier this year when I went to visit them. He's a pretty placid sort of guy, and very intelligent. You can tell he has been in the military though and that he's an engineer. He has a very mathematical way of doing things and he never offers an unqualified opinion or without hedging his bets. He has a very cautious/conservative approach towards life (I don't mean in a political sense). Whilst easy going, there's something kind of rigid about him, and he seems to like/want to take orders, and my sister dishes them out constantly.

He doesn't seem particularly concerned with keeping up with the Joneses. He doesn't want to live like a bum, but he told me he'd be happy to live in an average suburb and not have a fancy lifestyle, but my sister pushes very hard for all the trappings of wealth.

I know that there are some issues in their marriage, but I actually don't think they would ever get divorced or that my sister would cheat on him or vice versa. I actually don't think that's the style of either of them. I don't think they will have children though. I think my sister is somewhat ambivalent about that. Secretly, like most women, she probably does want children, but she has said to me that she's not sure that she could afford them (I know, WTF, but she has very high expectations of sending them to private school, etc.) and also that she wouldn't put a kid before her career; she really does pour tons of time into working, including at home. I haven't spoken to my brother in law about this particular topic, but I suspect that he'd be very unhappy not to have kids. I think there's a chance they'll end up having one via IVF (though she's almost 37, so the window is getting increasingly smaller with each year, and as far as I know, they're not doing IVF) as a compromise. Poor kid though.

[AnonymousBosch]

My sister usually works part time as a receptionist for a Law Firm, but since a girl quit unexpectedly, she's been acting as a P.A to a Female Lawyer for the last 2 months, until the replacement arrives.

I dropped past the other day to deliver her something, and the Lawyer was there. Early 40's / Dressing Too Young For Her Face / Classic Baby Rabies type. You'll discover as you hit your forties that women your age will look at your ring finger before anything else about you.

My sister dropped by this morning and explained that the Lawyer grilled her nonstop for 10 minutes about me after I left, especially interested to learn that I was Employeed and Degreed. She then asked her to set us up on a blind date.

My sister - who has spent the last three months complaining about what a raving bitch this woman is - said she smiled 'ever so sweetly', then slipped the knife in. "Well... Bosch usually dates much younger women."

LawyerHag took great offense to this, then flounced off in a huff, snapped at her as she left. "Oh, is he one of those weak men who can't handle a strong woman?"

My sister snorted as she repeated this to me. "Like she's a strong woman! She's basically just a man with PMS!"

[CRR]

^^^that story made my day.

As I've complained about several times, I've been set up on so many blind dates with hags that for so many years it was a huge blow to my ego, and caused me some serious inner turmoil.

I caught the same shit after my last LTR (with a woman more than a decade younger than me, very pretty/feminine). I was bombarded with set ups, including with women my age (late 30s). Thing is, I'm not opposed to dating a woman in my age range provided she's survived the wall. I know this is rare, but I've seen a few.

But FFS the women I'd be set up with were in no way right for me. Unfeminine, dumpy, not even a close personality match. I used to internalize the criticism that I was shallow. But after finding this site, and then reassessing the women I've been with, sure there have been a few bimbos but mostly run-of-the-mill girl-next-door cute chicks (7-8s). Coming here reassured and reinforced me that appreciating a woman's appearance is a good thing, not something to be ashamed of. That a 'cute chick' is a minimum.

Point being, it's great to hear I'm not the only one who deals with situations like this. And the way your sister handled it was flawless.

[AnonymousBosch]

(09-27-2014 02:31 AM)CRR Wrote:  

But FFS the women I'd be set up with were in no way right for me. Unfeminine, dumpy, not even a close personality match. I used to internalize the criticism that I was shallow.

I don't think it's deliberate. I think the women setting us up simply don't know what a man finds beautiful.

I mean, they have a vague idea: porn starlets and models, all long-haired and fit, sure, but they've got their fingers in their ears and are saying "La La La We Can't Hear You", because to accept that means to entertain the possibility that they're not beautiful to a man, and even the fattest feminist bulldyke thinks she's sexually-attractive to a man.

Women exist in a positive-affirmation echo chamber that despises true female beauty and elevates the mundane to the sublime in retaliation to such a furious degree that I think they actually start believing that plain is beautiful, because you can only tell frumpy, short-haired Jane-In-Accounting that she's such a 'beautiful person' so many times before the cognitive dissonance stops being a thing and they - and Jane - start believing the hype and think they're all that. (Which is why 6-7's have the strongest bitch shields).

My rule of thumb: if a woman offers to set you up with a friend, ask if she likes her. If she says how great she is, she perceives her as no sexual threat whatsoever, and the date will be a Bowser.



If you want an attractive blind date, ask her to set you up with someone she hates. Someone she thinks is shallow, stupid and a total bitch. Odds are she'll be none of those things, just prettier and more feminine than her.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(09-26-2014 06:52 PM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  

So, it's kinda like:

Plan A: marry the next Bill Clinton/Donald Trump
Plan B: stay single, maybe do IVF
Plan C: swallow your pride and marry a beta

While Plan A seems to be the most stable hypergamy-wise it is fraught with problems - the most being that she is likely not a feminine submissive woman around him and those high-powered men often don't see much reason to stick around a 40+ year old ball-busting wife later in life. So the guys being 50+ just turn around and upgrade to a hot 20-something girl. She cannot do this in return.

This is actually one of the points repeated again and again by women - the mid-life crisis man trading in his wife for a younger model. While this exists in reality - it is exceedingly rare - I think only 1:1000 men has the luxury to do this, while 70-80% of women are still responsible for a frivorce.

And @CRR - I am your age and have been myself dating 19 year olds, when I moved to Poland. Whenever I tell those stories to my Western female friends, they look a bit weird at me. But the good thing is that it is no biggie here in Eastern Europe. The West has just been too well brainwashed. It is your prerogative to not only date pretty and slim chicks, but also those in the prime of their age-bracket - 18-22 - if you can find one who is not deluded that is.

Also @Bosch - that story is truly hilarious. Outstanding!

[CRR]

Zelcorpion

Spot on.

I still get amazed when I tell a woman my age that they really, utterly, don't give a shit. All they care about is if you have your shit together and if you keep yourself in shape and take care of yourself.

Bosch

Your post is so unbelievably accurate it's hard to know where to start in terms of a response.

I'd say it brought a tear to my eye, but I'm too manly for that to happen.

Re the subject of career women, I just saw on the news that George Clooney got married today to a lawyer. If I recall correctly, back when they got engaged a lot of the social media feminists were talking about how great it was for career women that they could land a guy like Clooney.

Of course they fail to realize that if she wasn't a tall, slim smokeshow, she wouldn't have been remotely on his radar.

But that won't stop the dumpy career women from believing whatever they want to believe.

[AnonymousBosch]

(09-27-2014 03:05 PM)CRR Wrote:  

Re the subject of career women, I just saw on the news that George Clooney got married today to a lawyer. If I recall correctly, back when they got engaged a lot of the social media feminists were talking about how great it was for career women that they could land a guy like Clooney.

Of course they fail to realize that if she wasn't a tall, slim smokeshow, she wouldn't have been remotely on his radar.

But that won't stop the dumpy career women from believing whatever they want to believe.

They seem to conveniently-ignore the fact that he's 15 years older than her, which makes him a total creepy perv who should date women his own age because he can't handle a real one.