[lurker]

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/d...ingle.html

And in XX, no less. The tide is turning.

[Roosh]

The outrage hasn't begun yet:

https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=...l&src=typd

[Old Fritz]

Slate has had quite a few good articles.

We need someone famous to have this happen to him so he can speak out. Then the outrage will begin.

[Slim Shady]

It HAS happened to famous people. One of my favorites - Kobe Bean Bryant - among many others. Instead of highlighting the seriousness of the false rape accusation problem people STILL just call him a rapist.

[Deuce Anna Half]

(09-19-2014 01:07 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

It HAS happened to famous people. One of my favorites - Kobe Bean Bryant - among many others. Instead of highlighting the seriousness of the false rape accusation problem people STILL just call him a rapist.

Nobody accepts the possibility she was lying, they just say "he just paid everybody off"

[Slim Shady]

That's the point though. If the man is found innocent, then it is perceived that he paid people off, or the courts worked in his favor, etc. Everything but accepting that he was innocent.

A false rape accusation was also made against a famous cricketer - Makhaya Ntini - who was at the time a rising star in the South Africa cricket team, and also it's ONLY BLACK MEMBER at the time. I was not surprised when I heard that he had been accused of rape.

No one understands the pain that men have to go through. I've said it before and I will say it again, it is the finger pointing and looks from the people you know marking you as "GUILTY" that are worse than anything else.

[TheWastelander]

(09-19-2014 01:34 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

That's the point though. If the man is found innocent, then it is perceived that he paid people off, or the courts worked in his favor, etc. Everything but accepting that he was innocent.

A false rape accusation was also made against a famous cricketer - Makhaya Ntini - who was at the time a rising star in the South Africa cricket team, and also it's ONLY BLACK MEMBER at the time. I was not surprised when I heard that he had been accused of rape.

No one understands the pain that men have to go through. I've said it before and I will say it again, it is the finger pointing and looks from the people you know marking you as "GUILTY" that are worse than anything else.

That last little bit of your post reminded me of this scene from Scarface:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yky4QtRX_DI#t=107

[Hedonistic Traveler]

(09-19-2014 01:03 PM)Old Fritz Wrote:  

Slate has had quite a few good articles.

We need someone famous to have this happen to him so he can speak out. Then the outrage will begin.

A better example than Kobe is Conor Oberst from Bright Eyes. Some chick claimed that he raped her an XO-Jane comment thread. He pretty quickly disproved it and her defense was that she "made up those lies about him to get attention while I was going through a difficult period in my life". Even though Bright Eyes is definitely a SWPL band the Jezebel crowd was quick to jump down his throat, assuming that some broad would never lie about something like that. I think in the end he dropped the libel charges, but it definitely opened up some doubts in the more reasonable members of American society, that a woman's word isn't everything, or really anything.

The Kobe example isn't as good, people can't relate to him. The same with Tyson and Tupac. Those stories are all full of holes, but white Americans don't give a shit about black Americans, and really do see the whole crowd as just potential rapists. Hopefully some white dude like Benedict Cumberbatch will get hit with a false accusation, bitches love that dude.

[runsonmagic]

Wow. Maybe now they'll even acknowledge the existence of gender.

[HawkWrites]

None of this surprises me but the feminists will have a collective clambake over this "oppression" once again.

[Sp5]

It's the wonderful Cathy Young again. She's been popping gas balloons of all kinds for years.

Anyone who's spent time in a criminal courtroom knows this - the amount of cases (not just rape, but domestic violence, too) generated by women scorned, seeking revenge, trying to avoid consequences, or just plain crazy is significant.

[samsamsam]

I am not sure how this could be calculated but I wonder how much it costs in economic terms to deal with all the false rape charges annually.

Let me be clear, real rape is a crime and gladly have anyone who commits such a crime to spend a lot of time in prison with a guy named Tiny.

But the nonsense stuff just drains society from being productive on the nonsense of emotionally damaged individuals, who just need to seek therapy.

[Tim in real life]

False rape accusations got my granduncle LYNCHED at the hands of the Ku Klux Klan and AT THE WORD OF A 1930s AMERICAN WHITE FEMALE.

To all the white knights and manginas, fuck off.

[The Lizard of Oz]

The article shows some minimal decency, but unfortunately it does not go nearly far enough. She states this, which is flat out false:

Quote:

We are not, as some anti-feminist blogs assert, in the midst of a massive “epidemic” of rape hoaxes.

We are indeed in the midst of such an epidemic. Not only are false rape accusations not rare, they are happening all the time, encouraged by the feminists and abetted by the white knighting legal system. The one thing that is truly rare is actual rape.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(09-19-2014 01:34 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

That's the point though. If the man is found innocent, then it is perceived that he paid people off, or the courts worked in his favor, etc. Everything but accepting that he was innocent.

A false rape accusation was also made against a famous cricketer - Makhaya Ntini - who was at the time a rising star in the South Africa cricket team, and also it's ONLY BLACK MEMBER at the time. I was not surprised when I heard that he had been accused of rape.

No one understands the pain that men have to go through. I've said it before and I will say it again, it is the finger pointing and looks from the people you know marking you as "GUILTY" that are worse than anything else.

Yep. For every man who was falsely accused and actually tried and convicted, there are many others who had the charges dismissed or were acquitted, but who suffered the anguish and pain that Slim describes -- the stress and anxiety about the outcome, the loss of trust of friends and neighbors, finger pointing and ostracism that do not necessarily end when the accusations are dismissed, or are even proven to be false and malicious. It is something that can cast a dark shadow over a man's entire life.

That is why ways must be found to prosecute and punish the false accusers. It is not enough for the accusations to be dismissed; there must be a serious price to pay for leveling a false accusation, a price that would deter those who might otherwise do it.

I've posted this before, but this was the biblical punishment ordained for false accusers. I feel that it is a just and appropriate one.

Quote:

If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;

Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;

And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;

Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.

And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.

[puckerman]

The article was written by Cathy Young. She is very good on these issues. She writes about this stuff in REASON magazine a lot.

[Bad Hussar]

(09-20-2014 02:10 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

It's the wonderful Cathy Young again. She's been popping gas balloons of all kinds for years.

Anyone who's spent time in a criminal courtroom knows this - the amount of cases (not just rape, but domestic violence, too) generated by women scorned, seeking revenge, trying to avoid consequences, or just plain crazy is significant.

Sp5, can you comment on what the legal consequences for a woman making an obviously fake rape claim are? I've heard of men who were falsely accused suing their accuser. Do these things ever work out?

[lurker]

(09-22-2014 09:53 AM)Bad Hussar Wrote:  

(09-20-2014 02:10 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

It's the wonderful Cathy Young again. She's been popping gas balloons of all kinds for years.

Anyone who's spent time in a criminal courtroom knows this - the amount of cases (not just rape, but domestic violence, too) generated by women scorned, seeking revenge, trying to avoid consequences, or just plain crazy is significant.

Sp5, can you comment on what the legal consequences for a woman making an obviously fake rape claim are? I've heard of men who were falsely accused suing their accuser. Do these things ever work out?

You're looking at two different lawsuits here.

First, a false rape claim will carry a criminal penalty of making a false report, which will be prosecuted (or not) by the state in which it occurred. These tend to garner the woman probation, community service, a fine, or a light jail sentence in extreme cases.

Second, the falsely accused man can file a private lawsuit for defamation directly against the lying woman. He carries the burden of proving by a preponderance of the evidence that she falsely told a third party that he raped her, intended to do so or was negligent in doing so, and that it caused him harm. Allegations of a criminal act are defamation per se, which means the statement itself is understood to be defamatory without requiring context.

The issue with the latter is collection - even if he wins a monetary judgment, what drunk late-teens early-20s skank has the assets to satisfy it? If it happened to me, I would pursue it just to drive her into bankruptcy and then publicize the verdict, but I would guess that nearly 100% of these cases settle.