[OnlyMarryInTajikistan]

What are your experiences, exact experiences, with long LMR sessions? Particularly in tough places like the FSU?

This is something that has never been described in detail and a big hole that took me a long time to work out. The LMR theory in the community is easily misunderstood by newbies because of the lack of detail. Here are some key elements that should be addressed and may be different for different players.

How do you initiate the sex sequence once in the apartment?
What are the steps of the sex sequence and how quickly do you move through them? How does the intensity change?
What is done when the girl breaks off and freezes you out, or if she refuses to get into the sex sequence, or pulls back from kissing and just wants to talk?
How is the awkwardness of resistance dealt with, laughter, seriousness? How do you break through the awkwardness of reinitiating so soon after the girl pushing you off and how fast do you reinitiate, and with what excuse, if there even is an excuse?
How do you break through token resistance where persistance makes things awkward? How do you make pseudo-rape game smooth?

This is the important stuff. We have some basic rules, like freezeouts, two steps forward one step back... But the actual details of the escalation are missed out. A video of a tough 1-2 hour escalation would have helped me enormously as a noob, I would have had a lot less trial and error.

Feel free to share.

[Carlos100]

My only experience with long LMR was before I was red pill/game aware when I picked up an American flight attendant in Japan who worked for a US-based contract carrier. I took her back to her hotel room and she said outside the door, "I never do this" which clued-me in that I was in for a long LMR session. It was obvious that she wanted to delay it so she wouldn't feel like a slut. So, even though I wasn't game-aware at the time, I knew enough to keep gently pressing forward, making out, slowly removing clothing items, keeping up deep rapport conversation, etc.

Still, it took about two hours before she finally allowed the bang, at around 4 a.m. After carrying a hard-on for that long I busted in about 30 seconds. She acted like it was natural and no big deal. I had to be somewhere first thing in the morning so I didn't get any sleep at all. It was good to get the flight attendant square checked, but I'm really glad I didn't (so far) have to endure that again.

[polar]

Disclaimer: any consensual sexual experiences referenced below are 100% fictional and none of this is based on personal experience.

To me, it's about knowing where the line between physicality (kino, kissing, touching) and foreplay (heavy kissing, touching erogenous zones, removing clothing) lie.

First, make sure you have positive, informed, enthusiastic consent. If you're in California, have her sign a waiver. Ask her "is this ok", "can I touch you here", etc. every step of the way. Consent is sexy.

Until you have isolation somewhere you can push straight into sex, don't cross the line. Prior, I often resort to ambiguous touching, such as letting my hands wander around her face, neck, hair, stomach (avoiding the tits, ass, crotch) or kisses / nibbles to the same areas after I've already kissed her. If I can predict when I'll get isolation, I'll try to ramp this up to get her a little excited. If sex is 10 in terms of stimulation, you want her to be no higher than 2 or 2.5. Your goal is to get her into it but not start breathing hard or get turned on, etc.

My favorite move is picking girls up and spinning them once I have an arm around her and she's contributing to the conversation, etc (comfort). It gives them the tingles and creates that "just us" bubble, and if you do it pre-kiss you know you can kiss her later. If you can't pick her up, either hit the gym or stop dating fatties.

Up until here, I maintain an air of innocence. Don't verbalize the physicality. If she brings it up, I act surprised and write it off to being touchy feely and talk about how I just feel a connection with her that's different. Same thing with LMR later - drop the explanation, move a coupe steps back / slow down a bit, then resume.

When I get isolation, I push for home. Make out, push her against the wall or a door (put a hand behind her head so your elbow is pointing down with forearm parallel with her spine to cushion it - she will get excited by the dominance but you don't want her to get hurt). Use one or both my hands to rake her back, arms, etc (start with back, then do exposed skin) with my fingers and fingernails, run my thumb and index finger down along her spine like a massage. Pick her up, use it as a reason to get a hand on her ass, squeeze. This is going from 2 to 5 in terms of intensity.

Carry her to the bed or couch. Drop her down, up the intensity of the kissing (lips, neck, ears). Wander over erogenous zones with your hands or lips - first time incidental (touch / slide over quickly before she has a chance to move them or react), slower a second time, squeeze a third time, return for longer on the fourth, etc. Make it a full-body experience - if you are kissing her neck, go back to her lips before going further, keep your hands roaming all over her body, etc. You're trying to turn up the stimulation from 5 to 10, rapidly and smoothly.

To overcome token resistance once she's on her back I might pin both of her hands over her head (grab both of her wrists with one of yours). If her hands are too big to fit in yours, proceed with caution - you might have found a tranny

I usually try to play with her pussy from the back (from grabbing her ass down her pants), then once she is moaning from it move for the zipper like for better access, but pull the pants off. If she objects, ease back to making out, then try again or play with her through her pants from the front. If you're playing with her and she's enjoying it, put her hand on your dick and undo the zipper. You can pivot so you're sitting with your dick in front of her head while you're playing with her if you think she's down, or keep making out and fingering her while you put on a condom with the other hand, then move to rub against her and slip it in.

If you two were in private and did anything more than smooch, don't forget the after-date text shortly after you part ways. Make it sexually ambiguous, like "Let me know when you get home safe" and or "I had a great time with you tonight. You're such a vixen / you're so mischievous!"

This isn't complete without a mention of David DeAngelo's Escalation Ladder (but treat it as a guideline, not gospel). Skip to step 8. If you take anything away from it, it's that you should pull the panties down with the pants, and that it might be easier to take off her panties than taking off her bra.
http://www.tsbmag.com/2006/10/17/a-step-...scalation/

Tuth's first date bang recipe has great tips too http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-8681.html

Escalating like this seems to minimize LMR pretty much regardless of the stage you're in. If she resists escalation, then I'll try one step back and double down my efforts to turn her on. If that doesn't work, I'll do a time out and go back to taking / just non-sexual caressing. 3rd time you make plans for another date and wind down the evening politely.

Often times girls will have a # of dates rule. You might be able to burn through the LMR after a couple of hours, but if your schedule and logistics permit, just rebuild some comfort and qualify why you like her, seed another date idea, and enjoy the reduced resistance the next time around. Why waste all night trying to get it in (and risk losing her and / or her regret) if she might be DTF within 30 minutes on the next date?

[Nomad77]

What do you about a girl that offers no resistance but doesn't get turned on either? She is just allowing you to do whatever you want but not contributing in any way.

[polar]

(09-02-2014 12:33 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

What do you about a girl that offers no resistance but doesn't get turned on either? She is just allowing you to do whatever you want but not contributing in any way.

You give her a fake name, go to her place, and wear a ski mask.

/troll

That is really case by case. I get off on having a connection and her being into it. I'd rather jack off than have bad sex.

I'd step back and reassess. I might wait a bit and try again, but more likely reschedule and leave on a positive note.

Things to consider:

Will you see her again?
Does she have your contact info / know people you know?
Is she always like this or is something the matter?
Can you get her into it? Do you have time to wait and try again?
Is she sober / able to consent? Is it black or white? Can you record the encounter and her consent (if it's legal to do so where you live, of course)
Do the both of you have different expectations - do you see it as a ONS but she imagines flowers, children and a white picket fence?
Do you have other pussy lined up or are you thirsty for a slump buster?
Is it worth the risk?

Tread lightly because regret is around the corner. I've never been in a situation that ambiguous (usually either green or "not right now" or "no means no") but regardless would be extra careful. Whether you seal the deal or not, consider taking her out for food or drinks (in public!), get her smiling and laughing, and part ways downtown afterwards. Consider deleting her number afterward.

I personally don't want to work any harder than I have to for sex. Dealing with LMR for more than an hour is exhausting. If hypothetically I were to cop some pussy but she won't get me off, I'd either de-sexualize and just hang out if that would be fun to me, or gently wind the date down - "Well, I have to be up early, I enjoyed spending time with you, you should get some rest. Let's see each other later this week." and try to seed plans.

Here's a mnemonic -"better to be beta than Bubba's bitch."

[monster]

(09-02-2014 03:04 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

I knew enough to keep gently pressing forward, making out, slowly removing clothing items, keeping up deep rapport conversation, etc.

Still, it took about two hours before she finally allowed the bang, at around 4 a.m.

Hmm, I too have noticed that with long LMR I makeout for maybe 5 minutes at a time and then break it off and start an innocuous little conversation thread for 5 min, then makeout for 5 min, then back to talking.

I do this because frankly I get bored of kissing for more than 5 minutes and I get the feeling that she does too.

Has this been you're experience with long LMR? 5 min makeout/escalation, 5 min talking, 5on/5off etc until she decides she's finally ready?

As a side note, it's frustrating for me too that after all the buildup I bust pretty quickly every time the LMR carries on forever. haha

[polar]

(09-02-2014 03:10 PM)monster Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 03:04 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

I knew enough to keep gently pressing forward, making out, slowly removing clothing items, keeping up deep rapport conversation, etc.

Still, it took about two hours before she finally allowed the bang, at around 4 a.m.

Hmm, I too have noticed that with long LMR I makeout for maybe 5 minutes at a time and then break it off and start an innocuous little conversation thread for 5 min, then makeout for 5 min, then back to talking.

I do this because frankly I get bored of kissing for more than 5 minutes and I get the feeling that she does too.

Has this been you're experience with long LMR? 5 min makeout/escalation, 5 min talking, 5on/5off etc until she decides she's finally ready?

Yes. I try to use the pauses to build emotional intensity - more long pauses with staring into her eyes, affectionate touching like playing with her ears, running a hand through her hair, tickling, massage, etc. I think it builds a bit of everything - confection = comfort and attraction...

Speaking of which, a massage / shoulder rub when you're sitting together is a great way to go from just kissing previously to escalating. Using my previous examples, to go from 2-2.5 to 3 or 4 (sexual intent is visible but is under control and not threatening to her). Dig into her shoulders, massage her neck, tell her that she's holding a lot of stress there, etc...then use that to kiss the back and sides of her neck, ears, etc. If you kiss and nibble her while you do the massage (with the focus on the massage), she'll get all deer in the headlights. Or reach around and pull her close and rub the front of her body (not her tits or pussy).

I only pull out the massage magic for the girls I see as more than an ONS and like as a person.