[Travesty]

(09-05-2014 11:29 PM)Seboist Wrote:  

Had an experience with a "no girl" earlier today that in retrospect I should've never bothered with after my first encounter with her. Essentially I was trying to daygame this cashier chick from the local supermarket whom was very icy and aloof when I first hit her last week and sure enough the behavior continued this second time around. At that point I just went for the close just so I can clear any doubts from my mind.

I'm definitely not bothering with dames who don't maintain eye contact and appear receptive to my bantering after this. Like Nomad stated in his OP, I errored too much on the side of hope vs reality.

Haha I don't think guys on the forum want to think of it this way but...

Going after No girls is the very definition of Thirst. You are part of the problem by blowing up women's egos no matter how cold or uninterested they act toward you.

I know learning Game at first is about breaking down your ego to handle rejection and see flaws in yourself so you can improve, but the end game is about preserving your pride, ego, and self-worth by treating yourself well.

[Yatagan]

(09-05-2014 11:32 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

(09-05-2014 11:29 PM)Seboist Wrote:  

Had an experience with a "no girl" earlier today that in retrospect I should've never bothered with after my first encounter with her. Essentially I was trying to daygame this cashier chick from the local supermarket whom was very icy and aloof when I first hit her last week and sure enough the behavior continued this second time around. At that point I just went for the close just so I can clear any doubts from my mind.

I'm definitely not bothering with dames who don't maintain eye contact and appear receptive to my bantering after this. Like Nomad stated in his OP, I errored too much on the side of hope vs reality.

Haha I don't think guys on the forum want to think of it this way but...

Going after No girls is the very definition of Thirst. You are part of the problem by blowing up women's egos no matter how cold or uninterested they act in you.

Well, I initially thought she might've been a maybe girl.I've only recently started to practice game and go out daygaming and I'm pretty bad at detecting IOIs.

But yeah, my man card prolly needs to be suspended for that.

[Nomad77]

Steve Jabba on screening girls but looking at their eyes...

[kavakid]

Yeah screening is an issue. Girls rarely let me know they have a boyfriend when i meet them. I think they are amused by my game and like the attention.

[Phoenix]

Sometimes it can be so hard to tell though. Thinking back, there were girls who I didn't think were that into me, and who didn't physically comply to touching, who I took to bed. There were also girls who I did think liked me, who did physically comply, and yet wouldn't go home with me.

Literally a few days ago I was racking my brain for hours after this girl rejected me, trying to work out why she seemed to like me so much but wouldn't sleep with me. Turned out it was due to her hang ups about needing a long relationship first, but I had no screens that picked up the specific ways she revealed this. Thinking over the interaction I realized she said certain things and had certain behaviours that were unique to her 'slow rejection'. I've since simply added those things as a screen.

I think it is very important that guys know that they should be screening though, and then to work on improving that screening. [/i]

[Nomad77]

Steve is at it again: only focus on girls that are into you

[Blue Streak]

Great videos! Thanks for posting, Nomad.

[Dalaran1991]

Just curious: What would you guys say is the percentage of the Yes girls vs Maybe girls vs No girls in your approaches? I understand this varies a lot depending on situation/game level etc.

In my last hundred or so approaches there were 5 that were yes, a dozens maybe, the rest are No. So that leaves 20% of girls who are "down to game"

[Nomad77]

That's about the same for me too. What can change those percentages is your target selection. For example, if I only went after [white American or European girls between the age of 18 - 28 who where at least a 7 who weren't in a LTR] my percentage of Maybe/Yes girls would double to 40%. If I did the same for Latin girls my percentage would drop by half to 10%. This is why target selection is so important.

[kinjutsu]

(09-08-2014 07:50 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Just curious: What would you guys say is the percentage of the Yes girls vs Maybe girls vs No girls in your approaches? I understand this varies a lot depending on situation/game level etc.

In my last hundred or so approaches there were 5 that were yes, a dozens maybe, the rest are No. So that leaves 20% of girls who are "down to game"

A lot of this is greatly determined by the circumstances you meet the girls under.
I think if you were doing a group activity like a co-ed sports team then you might be able to get pre-selection on your side and take the maybe girls into yes territory.

You'll see the most amount of "no" girls will come from cold approaching in the club/street.

[Yatagan]

Based on my admittedly low amount of daygame approaches in retail venues thus far, I'd wager 90-95% are no girls. Although I did get a warm reception from a dame who ultimately said she had a bf once.

[Dalaran1991]

(09-08-2014 02:31 PM)kinjutsu Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 07:50 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Just curious: What would you guys say is the percentage of the Yes girls vs Maybe girls vs No girls in your approaches? I understand this varies a lot depending on situation/game level etc.

In my last hundred or so approaches there were 5 that were yes, a dozens maybe, the rest are No. So that leaves 20% of girls who are "down to game"

A lot of this is greatly determined by the circumstances you meet the girls under.
I think if you were doing a group activity like a co-ed sports team then you might be able to get pre-selection on your side and take the maybe girls into yes territory.

You'll see the most amount of "no" girls will come from cold approaching in the club/street.

Yeah you bet, 3 out of those 5 were from Aikido, 1 from Salsa. Only one and also the hottest one I picked up in a bar.

Day game yields the most maybe/yes girls IMO. This ties in with target/venue selection nomad been hammering on. If an asian 5"4 like me going to a loud vegas club girls will not even see me let alone let me game them.

Pick our strong suit. Now the work is getting out there in order to know what our strengths are. So many people have undeveloped potential.

[Crownife]

So I read this thread a day before I got some girls number.

Now I had a feeling there wasn't really a connection but since I didn't do any approaches in a while, I just pushed through for the number.

Sent her a message an hour later "hey its crownife".
No reply, deleted her.

[Nomad77]

You need to build attraction with a girl for a number to mean anything. That usually takes about 30-60 mins of talking to her unless she was really into you from the start. I have found the less time I spend with a girl initially the more likely she will be a flaky because I haven't build a strong enough connection/attraction base.

[simondice]

Meeting girls when their life is complicated is a maybe girl, even if she does like you or entertains the idea of you banging them.

It's not the same to go for a girl that likes you that is new to town, looking to meet people and has no hangups about sex than a girl who likes you, but she has a boyfriend and her friends cannot know you're banging her or even talking to her.

Some times though it's good to play the long game (if you have the patience), keeping girls you approach and liked you but their circumstances are weird so you wait and text them later.
I do this especially after Thanksgivings when girls break up with boyfriends, and Suzie needs post-breakup sex. Another reason to be grateful during the Holidays

[unbowed]

(09-02-2014 05:06 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

It is better to spend more time upfront in selecting the right girls than to spend a lot of time and energy trying to convert the wrong girls. Target selection is something a lot of guys overlook because they are being told that the right "game" can overcoming everything.

While target selection is important, the truth is there won't be enough hot, Russian cultured yes girls running around at once in a basic western environment. Guys need to be comfortable with uncertainty. This need to feel warm and fuzzy, comfortable and right suffocates risk. It's nice to have standards, but it does veer into weasel territory when the "no" list gets bigger.

There's no fool proof way of knowing if you and the girl have chemistry pre-approach. Unless you're her genetic ideal or are favorably exploiting a niche, a girl doesn't necessarily decide straight away if she wants you or not; in many cases there's still a dance to be had, especially if you're aiming for a girl of higher attractiveness. You may be good looking but get nervous when talking. You may love to talk but don't know how to read her body language. You may push all her right buttons but don't know how to make her feel comfortable. Attraction is just one part of a larger picture. Balancing out the bigger picture while enjoying the moment is crucial to making good use of that attraction, hence the game.

To me a "no" girl is noncompliance, regardless of whether she has a bitch face or smile. If she's soaking up my aura while resisting my lead, she's a "no". Full compliance is yes, bits of compliance and her curiously sticking around is maybe. And all this can change depending on both our vibes and outside influence. Girls should be categorized after the interaction has had a chance to establish itself, after the stone's been flipped.

Guys overemphasize or miscalibrate attraction because that's usually what they have issue with. A girl can be "no" because you had a simple nice guy conversation and didn't give her tingles. A girl can be a "no" because you hit her attraction buttons too much and she thinks you're a clown, she thinks you're funny but doesn't know you. A girl can be a "no" because you spit good game and now time has passed and the attraction she felt is gone; you didn't strike while the iron was hot. She can be "no" for "no" reason, girls are random, illogical beings. Embrace the uncertainty. The only way out is to keep approaching who you want.

[Nomad77]

You have to approach to know whether a girl is a NO, Maybe, or YES girl. I never said this was something you could without interacting with the girl.

[unbowed]

Got it. In that case guys should be aware that she could turn no for no apparent reason, especially with electronic communication. In person your presence can be felt, over a medium, especially with low attention span american girls, she has more power.

I like minimising "No" girls by leading and compliance testing. If she redirects the convo to fluff with no sparkle or tension, she's a "no". If she keeps trying to snatch frame and wanting to dominate, nope.

I've started to develop a gut feeling about this. I focus on the overall sexual tension and male-female vibe. If i feel like i'm talking to a male co-worker, something's wrong.

[Nomad77]

Correct. A girl can become a NO girl at any point or she can become a YES or Maybe girl too. But the odds of her going from NO to anything else is very low. While the odds of her going from Maybe to NO is high.

[Crownife]

one of my biggest problems is going after yes girls.

I make eye contact,smile, all that stuff and yet I get scared to approach. I'll do an indirect any day, but these girls...I just hope I learn my lesson soon.

[unbowed]

(09-12-2014 08:50 AM)Crownife Wrote:  

one of my biggest problems is going after yes girls.

I make eye contact,smile, all that stuff and yet I get scared to approach. I'll do an indirect any day, but these girls...I just hope I learn my lesson soon.

Just jump in and talk to her, you won't have to wow her with attraction gymnastics. The key with yes girls is getting to a sex location. Sounds like a good problem to have if you're dealing with yes girls.

[Dalaran1991]

Been thinking about this a bit more after a salsa class yesterday:

HOW DO YOU MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF YES GIRLS/MAYBE GIRLS?

2 things:
Optimize your potential

Choose your demographics. Its this one that I wanna talk about.

How do you know which demographics is best for your game? Is this where you have the most value? Feel the most comfortable?

But more importantly, which kind of girls you attract and where do they usually go?

I have been trying to draw patterns between the girls Ive been with and its inconclusive at best. I go to salsa to game but ironically the girls I bang are not from salsa. And its always when I dont specifically try to game a girl that she becomes attracted.

For ex., a white guy foing to SEA will not feel comfortable (not knowing language, feel like a stranger) but women will be all over him.

As long as these remains unanswered your game cannot reach its max potency.

[Jestx]

This thread has been greatly helpful and the timing is good for a situation I just went through (where I believe I turned a maybe girl into a no girl).

[Nomad77]

@Dalaran If you look back over at the girls that seem to be most attracted to you, you will find similarities they share. I for example, have found that certain astrological signs will be more attracted to me than others. So this is one of the first questions I ask a girl. Younger girls are more attracted to me than older women my age. White girls more than Latin girls. If you look closely enough you will begin to find the patterns.

[simondice]

(09-18-2014 11:46 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

@Dalaran If you look back over at the girls that seem to be most attracted to you, you will find similarities they share. I for example, have found that certain astrological signs will be more attracted to me than others. So this is one of the first questions I ask a girl. Younger girls are more attracted to me than older women my age. White girls more than Latin girls. If you look closely enough you will begin to find the patterns.

Libras, leos, Aquarius, geminis and Aries love me.
Cancers love me but I'm too infuriating for them .

What do you think most hot chicks zodiac sign is?