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12-02-2014, 06:32 PM
Here is what I have seen out there and I have met a lot of guys from this forum and other guys I have known. I have yet to meet any guy that pulls high quality girls on a regular basis. Most of them have never even had a relationship with one of them. I know some guys that have easily banged over 200 girls and I would not have a relationship with any of the ones I have seen. Like everything in life real quality is hard to come by.
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12-02-2014, 11:49 PM
Roosh is spot on.
Real men must not beg women for attention, love or sex.
It's the women's responsibility to be 'desired and loved' by MEN, and science says that as well.
It's women who must persevere for a man to notice them.
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12-03-2014, 01:59 PM
All this is overly complicated. Using what I have observed from the city I live in, this is how ONS vs LTR game works:
How To Get A ONS at Night
- If you're an 8/10 in looks or more, approach 50 girls and find the drunk horny one who's down.
- If you're 5-7/10 in looks, approach 200 girls and find the drunk horny ugly fat and/or old one who's down.
- If you're 4/10 in looks or lower, approach 500 girls and find the drunk horny ugly fat and/or old one who's down. Or better yet, don't bother.
How To Get A LTR
- Real Life: Invest 2-3 years in a social circle. Bide your time like Jim Halpert. Wait for a rigidly looks-matched girl (i.e. you look like you could be her brother) to "pick" you.
- Online: Message 500-1000 girls. If you're lucky, go on a couple dates with a girl 2 points lower than you and make it serious..
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12-04-2014, 09:52 AM
Nomad77 has been banned for three reasons:
-General game denialism
-Purposefully misconstruing my work on multiple occasions to prove his own beta provider agenda
-Publicly agitating after getting a one week warning and sending a PM to me that was an implied threat
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12-04-2014, 10:12 AM
I agree with the fact that constantly fighting through resistance does get boring. After banging 12 girls in 4 weeks this summer, many of them ONS's, I felt like I just wanted to chill and get myself a few mini LTR's. What has been happening is that I have no problem going for a date or two with the girl, and most of the times they will put up absolutely no resistance for a bang at date 3.
However, there's the other side of the coin too. You might end up wasting a ton of your time with this technique, as many girls might feel comfortable kissing you, but will NEVER even think about banging you, for whatever reason it might be. I had a girl who I went on a date with, later on she texted me the same night if I wanted to join her and her friend to a club. Made out and danced at the club. Then, we went to a cinema date together, made out a bit. She told me her brother was waiting at home, so she couldn't stay over. Then, went on another evening date that was going really well and she abruptedly has to leave. I suggest a spa evening and she tells me she can come, but needs to take a bus to "visit a friend" saturday at 8am, so she can't stay long... from what I think, this girl is enjoying my attention and the dates, but is getting banged by someone else. This would have never happened if I had gone for the same night lay and more or less, pressured her into it.
Also, many times, "talking" a girl into banging you has no negative consequences, if you have a connection with her and you just do the typical cute 15 minute after-sex talk with her on your chest, and suggest some follow up dates. Only if you play it in an extremely asshole way, will she think of you as an asshole and warn her friends of your player ass.
So, as always, there's always 2 sides of the story.
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12-04-2014, 01:40 PM
I hung out with Nomad a lot and from my observation, all the sexual conquests he stated were possible. Miami is full of sluts and depraved souls so as long as you keep going out you can hit.
My thing in Miami is that I had bad logistics (stayed in a Spanish area) and I had no vehicle and no decent job. Without an adequately located spot OR a whip, it's very difficult. Plus I was still trying to rid myself of the beta odour that I picked up in Toronto.
If I had lived in Broward county, my story may have been different.
I went out almost every weekend with Nomad and had incidents where if I had my own whip, I could have closed.
1) I met a cute German brunette who had a Ghanaian boyfriend back in Germany. I beckoned her over and was close dancing with her as she said "You African men are all the same". She offered zero resistance to me feeling her up. Her friend was being taken care of by a black American dude relocated from Ohio. They planned to chill out on the beach and watch the sun come up. I wanted to try and fcuk her but I had work in 2 hours and tragically had to bail.
2) Nomad and I attended a Jamaican club. A blonde lizard from Boston came over and I started close dancing with her. She told me to stop those 'bitches' from looking at her. I saw no one at all. After dealing with her bi-polarism for a few songs, I let her go to hunt for black. Nomad plugged in and worked her for the evening.
3) Nomad and I went to South Beach. I met up with one of my <insert family member> 'a friends just strolling the strip and we met a set of pinays from Montreal. Cut a long story short, the lizards suggested skinny dipping and one of the guys fcuked her in the salty ocean. I kissed her friend (21 years old) but declined to skinny dip as I was dressed very smartly and wasn't feeling adventurous.
4) I was out hollaring at lizards on the strip one night with Nomad and a Jamerican lizard from Philly stopped and said I was cute. I collected her digits but because I stayed 40 mins from south beach, I couldn't really re-coordinate and she left for Philly a few days later.
My point in illustration is to say that anything can happen in Miami due to tropical temperature, general depravity and the huge volume of tourists out for a weekend (or week of lust). That addresses the likelihood of Nomad fcuking on planes and in salons.
Regarding his game deniability, I can't really say. All I do know is, the fact that he went to an extremely hood club with me and was opening showed a lot of cajones in my view.
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12-04-2014, 02:14 PM
Quote: (12-02-2014 06:32 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:
Here is what I have seen out there and I have met a lot of guys from this forum and other guys I have known. I have yet to meet any guy that pulls high quality girls on a regular basis. Most of them have never even had a relationship with one of them. I know some guys that have easily banged over 200 girls and I would not have a relationship with any of the ones I have seen. Like everything in life real quality is hard to come by.
Actually I'd say almost all the guys I've met on the forum mostly end up chasing 8+ types bc they have no problem getting with at least somewhat "high quality" 7s (this is in EE though) so overseas at least the above is not true (but there are of course a lot better women on the whole in EE, SA and Asia). Sure quality is hard to come by (at least in America and the Anglosphere) but that's why we game. Otherwise I'd just sit in my basement eating Cheetos, playing fantasy football & video games and getting with the occasional fatty I met online I guess.
Anyway, RIP Nomad. Roosh gave some very specific reasons for the ban and too bad it had to end like this - implied threats are not cool especially given all the garbage we have to deal with coming from the Feminists and SJWs.
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12-04-2014, 08:16 PM
Quote: (12-04-2014 01:40 PM)Moma Wrote:
I hung out with Nomad a lot and from my observation, all the sexual conquests he stated were possible. Miami is full of sluts and depraved souls so as long as you keep going out you can hit.
My thing in Miami is that I had bad logistics (stayed in a Spanish area) and I had no vehicle and no decent job. Without an adequately located spot OR a whip, it's very difficult. Plus I was still trying to rid myself of the beta odour that I picked up in Toronto.
If I had lived in Broward county, my story may have been different.
I went out almost every weekend with Nomad and had incidents where if I had my own whip, I could have closed.
1) I met a cute German brunette who had a Ghanaian boyfriend back in Germany. I beckoned her over and was close dancing with her as she said "You African men are all the same". She offered zero resistance to me feeling her up. Her friend was being taken care of by a black American dude relocated from Ohio. They planned to chill out on the beach and watch the sun come up. I wanted to try and fcuk her but I had work in 2 hours and tragically had to bail.
2) Nomad and I attended a Jamaican club. A blonde lizard from Boston came over and I started close dancing with her. She told me to stop those 'bitches' from looking at her. I saw no one at all. After dealing with her bi-polarism for a few songs, I let her go to hunt for black. Nomad plugged in and worked her for the evening.
3) Nomad and I went to South Beach. I met up with one of my <insert family member> 'a friends just strolling the strip and we met a set of pinays from Montreal. Cut a long story short, the lizards suggested skinny dipping and one of the guys fcuked her in the salty ocean. I kissed her friend (21 years old) but declined to skinny dip as I was dressed very smartly and wasn't feeling adventurous.
4) I was out hollaring at lizards on the strip one night with Nomad and a Jamerican lizard from Philly stopped and said I was cute. I collected her digits but because I stayed 40 mins from south beach, I couldn't really re-coordinate and she left for Philly a few days later.
My point in illustration is to say that anything can happen in Miami due to tropical temperature, general depravity and the huge volume of tourists out for a weekend (or week of lust). That addresses the likelihood of Nomad fcuking on planes and in salons.
Regarding his game deniability, I can't really say. All I do know is, the fact that he went to an extremely hood club with me and was opening showed a lot of cajones in my view.
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12-05-2014, 02:58 PM
I've had a bunch of ONS, fuckbuddies, mini-relationships, and monogamous LTRs that lasted 2, even 3 years.
They all started with the same game. In fact, I banged two LTRs on the first date.
Putting a different game on for a girl you think you want a LTR with means you are putting the girl on a pedastal. Don't leak bad game.
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12-05-2014, 03:14 PM
Clint, this is a very useful piece of info.
Regarding the banning of Nomad, I notice people emerge to say their piece after the banning. My suggestion would be this:
I would like if we had a sandbox thread where we have free rein to chew on some members without it leaking outside into our regular discussions of game, making money and travel. Any 'beef' leaked from the sandbox should result in a week's ban. That way, we can work out all this weird passive-aggressive energy repressed under many fingertips. That's how men used to solve things in the past by being direct not coming in from the side of the neck. I point no fingers.
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12-05-2014, 03:29 PM
Isn't the only way to reliably start a relationship of any kind with modern women, is to fuck her first and fuck her well?
My main girl is devout Catholic and was (apparently) a virgin, I ONS her. I gave her shit all the fucking time whenever she told me she was a virgin but she swore it up and down, but now after 6 months in a LTR she is indeed girl friend material. Same with all the other girls. I've NEVER had anything advance further with a girl I did not fuck. Shit I don't even know how you guys pull off 2nd dates 3rd dates.
I think the difference actually comes in after you fuck the girl. And, maybe not coincidentally, every time I decide that "she's girlfriend material" after the first bang, the girl soon loses interest. It's the girls that you pump and think nothing of that actually MIGHT wanna come around.
That said, my best childhood friend in Vietnam is quite a hottie and she just married her highschool sweetheart. Well maybe that shit works in Vietnam. But she did cheat on her fiancé once...
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12-06-2014, 02:21 AM
I have been perfecting my ONS stand game for years now. Iv gotten it to a point that im confident in any venue setting if there is a girl that is open for a ONS, I will find her and out game other guys.
Relationship game in my opinion is alot harder, and takes alot more discipline and experience. Simply because emotions can get involved. When emotions get involved even to the slightest degree you are setting yourself up for a slip up. Yet I think every player should get relationship experience, without it your game cant be complete. Understanding relationship game is how you truly get women to chase you, and when that happens, theres nothing more rewarding than having brods doing anything they can to get to you.