[Hardy Daytona]

I'm meeting a girl in central London on Sunday and I could use some advice as I think I may have phrased myself into a corner.

Backstory:
We were both attending comic-con a few weeks ago and immediately clicked on account of our costumes. The interaction progressed along fairly platonic conversational lines.
I had to change on account of the weather. It was ridiculously busy so instead of fighting for a changing room I opted for open-air. She initially hid round the corner but after coaxing she came around. Extra points for having my physique complimented by a friend to DHV.
We went for soft drinks afterwards and chatted. She's Canadian, works in hospitality and a year older than me. We enjoyed the same shit on tv when we were kids so there was a connection there.
Number closed as we left at the station.
Texted some days later to arrange a date. She said work was slow going so I said "Sounds boring. Let's go on an adventure" before giving a time and date. She was curious as to what kind, but I gave nothing away. At first she was flaking because she had friends visiting, but offered a workable alternative so I decided not to next.

So, what can I arrange to do that wouldn't leave her feeling underwhelmed at the interaction?
Unfortunately she's on the larger side so anything more active than a walk in Hyde Park would be pushing it.
I've used the search function to check for potential ideas, but nothing quite seems appropriate.

[samsamsam]

Stage a drug deal gone bad. Involve some kidnapping, and you somehow free yourself and the girl and save the day. That'll get you laid.

[Noir]

Go Karting
Burlesque show (London, The Box if you can hook it up otherwise any other one)
Laser Tag
Alton Towers
LAN party (lol)

TBH if you met her at a comic-con and I allow myself the tool of assumption, any of these will be adventurous.

[kaotic]

When in doubt...whip it out.

[Goldmund]

(08-01-2014 12:20 PM)Hardy Daytona Wrote:  

We were both attending comic-con...
clicked on account of our costumes.
I had to change on account of the weather.
I opted for open-air.
We went for soft drinks
Unfortunately she's on the larger side

[WestIndianArchie]

No, just no.

She's older than you, fat, and demanding.

Also keep in mind that you're taking her suggestion of adventure far too seriously.

These type of women do not deserve elaborate dates at all. But if you must, only after mind blowing sex and general compliance.

I can already tell you're gonna beta your way out of fucking her. You don't have the backbone to tell her to go fuck herself.

So here's what you do.

Tell her to suit up
You're going on a mission
Bring these props/weapons, and have a laundry list of things.

Then you adapt some episode or comic book issue in London.

Here is how you flip it.

End of the night, after an amazing date, don't try to close her. She's expecting our, might even be willing, though I doubt it.

Trying to bang her is falling into her script. You provide, she *might* reward. The whole thing is always up to her. Plenty of relationships start this way, marriages are built on this premise, but those men are neither free nor happy.

Reveal that you've been judging her the entire time, and she doesn't just measure up.

I thought if I we had fun, I could get into it, but the vibe is all wrong. I thought you were something that you were not.

Be vague and evil. Soul crushing. You have to break a chick that wants to order you around.

The only card you can play with a chick is that you're an amazing guy but can she hold your attention.

Your attention is the only leverage, and withdrawing it is your only weapon. Learning that skill is far more important than banging some fat nerdette.

WIA

[Goldmund]

Hoooooboy! WestIndian just wrote some Shakespeare shit.

If the OP can pull that off, his game would skyrocket into the stratosphere...but I got the hunch he ain't ready for that level.

[OnlyMarryInTajikistan]

First date is drinks at a bar then bang.

She should feel lucky just to have your attention.

[kaotic]

(08-01-2014 01:44 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

No, just no.

She's older than you, fat, and demanding.

Also keep in mind that you're taking her suggestion of adventure far too seriously.

These type of women do not deserve elaborate dates at all. But if you must, only after mind blowing sex and general compliance.

I can already tell you're gonna beta your way out of fucking her. You don't have the backbone to tell her to go fuck herself.

So here's what you do.

Tell her to suit up
You're going on a mission
Bring these props/weapons, and have a laundry list of things.

Then you adapt some episode or comic book issue in London.

Here is how you flip it.

End of the night, after an amazing date, don't try to close her. She's expecting our, might even be willing, though I doubt it.

Trying to bang her is falling into her script. You provide, she *might* reward. The whole thing is always up to her. Plenty of relationships start this way, marriages are built on this premise, but those men are neither free nor happy.

Reveal that you've been judging her the entire time, and she doesn't just measure up.

I thought if I we had fun, I could get into it, but the vibe is all wrong. I thought you were something that you were not.

Be vague and evil. Soul crushing. You have to break a chick that wants to order you around.

The only card you can play with a chick is that you're an amazing guy but can she hold your attention.

Your attention is the only leverage, and withdrawing it is your only weapon. Learning that skill is far more important than banging some fat nerdette.

WIA

Jesus Christ, the Nuclear Date Option. Some evil shit.

[EisenBarde]

Go on a hike. That solves three of your problems.

[Goldmund]

^

(08-01-2014 12:20 PM)Hardy Daytona Wrote:  

Unfortunately she's on the larger side so anything more active than a walk in Hyde Park would be pushing it.

[Teddykgb]

(08-01-2014 01:44 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

No, just no.

She's older than you, fat, and demanding.

Also keep in mind that you're taking her suggestion of adventure far too seriously.

These type of women do not deserve elaborate dates at all. But if you must, only after mind blowing sex and general compliance.

I can already tell you're gonna beta your way out of fucking her. You don't have the backbone to tell her to go fuck herself.

So here's what you do.

Tell her to suit up
You're going on a mission
Bring these props/weapons, and have a laundry list of things.

Then you adapt some episode or comic book issue in London.

Here is how you flip it.

End of the night, after an amazing date, don't try to close her. She's expecting our, might even be willing, though I doubt it.

Trying to bang her is falling into her script. You provide, she *might* reward. The whole thing is always up to her. Plenty of relationships start this way, marriages are built on this premise, but those men are neither free nor happy.

Reveal that you've been judging her the entire time, and she doesn't just measure up.

I thought if I we had fun, I could get into it, but the vibe is all wrong. I thought you were something that you were not.

Be vague and evil. Soul crushing. You have to break a chick that wants to order you around.

The only card you can play with a chick is that you're an amazing guy but can she hold your attention.

Your attention is the only leverage, and withdrawing it is your only weapon. Learning that skill is far more important than banging some fat nerdette.

WIA

That was fucking deep

[aphelion]

(08-01-2014 12:20 PM)Hardy Daytona Wrote:  

I'm meeting a girl in central London on Sunday and I could use some advice as I think I may have phrased myself into a corner.

Backstory:
We were both attending comic-con a few weeks ago and immediately clicked on account of our costumes. The interaction progressed along fairly platonic conversational lines.
I had to change on account of the weather. It was ridiculously busy so instead of fighting for a changing room I opted for open-air. She initially hid round the corner but after coaxing she came around. Extra points for having my physique complimented by a friend to DHV.
We went for soft drinks afterwards and chatted. She's Canadian, works in hospitality and a year older than me. We enjoyed the same shit on tv when we were kids so there was a connection there.
Number closed as we left at the station.
Texted some days later to arrange a date. She said work was slow going so I said "Sounds boring. Let's go on an adventure" before giving a time and date. She was curious as to what kind, but I gave nothing away. At first she was flaking because she had friends visiting, but offered a workable alternative so I decided not to next.

So, what can I arrange to do that wouldn't leave her feeling underwhelmed at the interaction?
Unfortunately she's on the larger side so anything more active than a walk in Hyde Park would be pushing it.
I've used the search function to check for potential ideas, but nothing quite seems appropriate.

You're having to negotiate from a position of weakness from the very beginning by promising an adventure.

Hanging out with you should be its own reward. Do you think Justin Bieber texts some random fan girl with 'hey girl, if you come out with me, I'll take you on an adventurer'. No, he would say, 'hey girl, come out with me'. The difference is subtle - one says 'I will give you this great experience in return for hanging out with me', and the other says, 'you should hang out with me'.

It sounds like this girl wasn't a rude cunt, just that she wasn't hooked yet. Don't get hung up on the hater talk here about how she's being a cunt or whatever. Even if you're objectively a good catch for her, you still need to come off well, and maybe you didn't just yet.

In fact, if she offered a workable alternative, she's probably at least interested. If a girl isn't interested in hanging out, she'll say 'hey, I'm busy that day' or whatever, but offer no alternatives.

So, I think you've got a chance with this chubster. Good luck!

[Hardy Daytona]

(08-01-2014 12:40 PM)Goldmund Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 12:20 PM)Hardy Daytona Wrote:  

We were both attending comic-con...
clicked on account of our costumes.
I had to change on account of the weather.
I opted for open-air.
We went for soft drinks
Unfortunately she's on the larger side

I know, but we've all got to start somewhere.

(08-01-2014 01:44 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

No, just no.

She's older than you, fat, and demanding.

Also keep in mind that you're taking her suggestion of adventure far too seriously.

These type of women do not deserve elaborate dates at all. But if you must, only after mind blowing sex and general compliance.

I can already tell you're gonna beta your way out of fucking her. You don't have the backbone to tell her to go fuck herself.

So here's what you do.

Tell her to suit up
You're going on a mission
Bring these props/weapons, and have a laundry list of things.

Then you adapt some episode or comic book issue in London.

Here is how you flip it.

End of the night, after an amazing date, don't try to close her. She's expecting our, might even be willing, though I doubt it.

Trying to bang her is falling into her script. You provide, she *might* reward. The whole thing is always up to her. Plenty of relationships start this way, marriages are built on this premise, but those men are neither free nor happy.

Reveal that you've been judging her the entire time, and she doesn't just measure up.

I thought if I we had fun, I could get into it, but the vibe is all wrong. I thought you were something that you were not.

Be vague and evil. Soul crushing. You have to break a chick that wants to order you around.

The only card you can play with a chick is that you're an amazing guy but can she hold your attention.

Your attention is the only leverage, and withdrawing it is your only weapon. Learning that skill is far more important than banging some fat nerdette.

WIA

Yeah, not the nuclear option so much as M.A.D. in my case.

Much as I understand and agree with the concept, I'm nowhere near that level of proficiency yet.

You're right that I don't have the backbone for it - I still suffer from horrendous approach anxiety.

But I will dress the part and play the part as best I can. 50% of the battle is in the mind after all.

It's like Clint said in Heartbreak Ridge: "Once you start looking like marines then you'll starting feeling like marines and then pretty soon goddamn it you'll start acting like marines."

[PapayaTapper]

(08-01-2014 12:20 PM)Hardy Daytona Wrote:  

I'm meeting a girl in central London on Sunday and I could use some advice as I think I may have phrased myself into a corner.

Backstory:
We were both attending comic-con a few weeks ago and immediately clicked on account of our costumes. The interaction progressed along fairly platonic conversational lines.
I had to change on account of the weather. It was ridiculously busy so instead of fighting for a changing room I opted for open-air. She initially hid round the corner but after coaxing she came around. Extra points for having my physique complimented by a friend to DHV.
We went for soft drinks afterwards and chatted. She's Canadian, works in hospitality and a year older than me. We enjoyed the same shit on tv when we were kids so there was a connection there.
Number closed as we left at the station.
Texted some days later to arrange a date. She said work was slow going so I said "Sounds boring. Let's go on an adventure" before giving a time and date. She was curious as to what kind, but I gave nothing away. At first she was flaking because she had friends visiting, but offered a workable alternative so I decided not to next.

So, what can I arrange to do that wouldn't leave her feeling underwhelmed at the interaction?
Unfortunately she's on the larger side so anything more active than a walk in Hyde Park would be pushing it.
I've used the search function to check for potential ideas, but nothing quite seems appropriate.

Take her to the hottest strip club / bar you can find so you both have a better idea of what a real woman should look like.