[2014]

I'm sat here just wondering how many of you are doing the uni job route in Asia as a sustainable long term way of living there?

Uni jobs are great because they have high social value, low working hours, and long paid vacations. Usually there are other perks; healthcare, pension, flights and an end of year bonus, even free accommodation throughout the year.

I've seen contracts for 20 hours a week of work, and paid vacation in summer and winter on Dave's ESL cafe.

In China its as simple as being a college graduate in an English speaking country and doing a CELTA or even a lowly TEFL course.

I'm wondering about other countries/any guys who are out there doing this?

Does anyone have knowledge to share?

Cheers

[Cyclone]

I lectured at a technological university in Vietnam, and agree that it's pretty much the greatest lifestyle available to mankind. But, ill have to PM/get back to you on it later..

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[clever alias]

i think you have some misleading information, there's more to it than just tefl certified, it has its own degree thats almost like a masters, if i recall correctly

[2014]

You're right, not all countries are the same,

for example

China: just any bachelor degree from a western country and for lack of a right way to put this, the right "face"
Korea: Masters degree in any field plus two years teaching experience, the "face" helps but not without the paperwork

I'm not sure about the other countries in Asia though, hence this thread

[2014]

take a look at these http://www.seriousteachers.com/index/0/4...job-offers

[clever alias]

none of the actually tell you what university. or they say "ESL UNiversity" which sounds like just a private school. my guess is what they are calling universities we call cram schools

source: i dont know anyone who took english at a public university and had a nonChinese teacher

[Sp5]

Yah, I am very interested in this, made the rounds of the Bangkok unis with my CV hoping for a subject matter lecturer position, no luck.

There are jobs listed in the Chronicle of Higher Education, too: http://chronicle.com/section/Home/5

[BadWolf]

Chinese Uni jobs are for losers guy, those people make almost 0 money when compared with the mills.
A typical Uni job in China pays 4000 rmb, the same hours at a language school can bring you nearly 15k per month. If you want to fvck Uni girls just get a part-time job at WEBB, English Town or Wallstreet.

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China: just any bachelor degree from a western country and for lack of a right way to put this, the right "face"
Korea: Masters degree in any field plus two years teaching experience, the "face" helps but not without the paperwork

whoa whoa fixed it for you

Quote:

China: just any bachelor from a western country and for lack of a right way to put this, the right "face".
Korea: bachelor in any field plus the "face". helps but not without the work

You guys gotta get this bvllsh1t out of your head that you NEED a degree... I've been teaching 13 years and really the highest attained paper from home was a forklift license. You gotta have the face, the personality and it would help if you knew a little PUA because the majority of HR interviews are going to be with women. My TESOL took me a week and the only guy who failed the class was a Chinese guy who brought in a pair of woman's panties for his 'demonstration' at the end.

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Uni jobs are great because they have high social value, low working hours, and long paid vacations. Usually there are other perks; healthcare, pension, flights and an end of year bonus, even free accommodation throughout the year.

I met a guy who is the 'big cheese prof' in Nanjing U. He is there using a false identity and false creds but everyone swears he's the smartest dude ever. That free accommodation you are talking about is a rat infested, one bedroom sh1t hole that even a Chinese farmer would have trouble staying in. There is no such thing as healthcare in China and foreigners will never receive a pension or 'bonus', Chinese will find a way to 'dock' you for it. The only social value you get in China from a Uni job is the cred you're gonna get from the hideously obese colleagues you work with. Money rules in Asia.

Don't fool yourself into thinking this is some 'academic job', that's newb think. The guys who make it in ESL are the hustlers, the scumbags and the cons. The social status comes from hookups to better jobs and Chinese will never value you unless you are teaching their kids and the kids cry if you aren't there.

The highest earning teacher in Guangzhou ($10,000 to $15,000 USD per month) used to deal coke in the USA. He is probably the best kids teacher I have ever seen. Put it this way, you can make $100 to $150 an hour teaching kids if you know the right people or you can make $10 an hour doing an adult class. In ESL, street smarts, not education is ultimately what counts in the end. Asians value guanxi and money over education, if you know how to network, you will trump the 'grads' every single time.

Taught in Japan, Korea, China, Peru, Brazil and Mexico.

Quote:

Qualification required
1. English native speakers only
2. Bachelor degree or above
3. Aged between 22 and 55
4. Over two years teaching experience
5. Healthy and good working attitude
6. No criminal record
Looking forward to your early application!
Tiffany
Recruiter
Guangzhou Saintshine Education Service Co. Ltd.

1. Unless we can't find any
2. or white face where upon we will make you one [I have 4] or you are married to Chinese.
3. Single white male or 'In China' also acceptable
4. As long as it says that on your resume. [Teaching Exp can consist of days when you read storybooks to children at a library or private dance lessons]
5. Req'd by law unless you do a medical check in China.
6. of murder, lots of ex-cons in Asia.

My wife does the exact same job. A guy I know banged his way into many jobs. HR girls are usually single, unhappy and have plenty of hookups for people with the white face for the job. They will take anything they can get and try and pass off LOADS of foreigners with fake passports as 'native speakers'. If you are a NATIVE SPEAKER in China, you have the Keys to the VIP.

Quote:

Job title:Teach in Primary school in Huadu district, Guangzhou, start on 1st September,10000rmb per month
Salary:10000-10000
Hours:20 teaching classes per week, weekends off
Accommodationrovided, hotel service apartment
Location:Huadu
Type:Full time
Description:

A primary school in Huadu District, Guangzhou is looking for a female teacher to join their warm and welcoming team of excellent foreign teachers. They are looking for teachers with BA,TEFL and teaching experience. Non-native speakers holding a working visa will be accepted.

The salary is 10000rmb per month. Hotel service apartment will be provided. The working schedule is 20 teaching classes per week, 40min per class, no office hours requested. The school prefers the teachers holding a working visa, if not, a F visa will be processed first.

Huadu is in the middle of nowhere, nobody wants to go there. They offered me 14k. My wife is still there if you are looking for a job.

[2014]

I can't disagree with much of what you're saying here because I've only worked in Thailand and Korea.

My mate works in Uni in China but his apartment is 150m2 - quite big. The pay is not the motivating factor here, it's the low work hours 3 and a 1/2 days and the long vacations.

wrt Korea, definitely these days it's nearly impossible to get a uni job without an MA. The long vacations are the key here between 16-20 weeks off a year depending on which uni you work at.

Totally agree with you about hustling in the ESL industry though. I don't work for anyone but myself and only do under the table cash jobs, usually 1-to-1, and won't work for less than $50 an hour.

[iknowexactly]

Jesus, I slipped and got a doctorate. Does this mean I can get girls that look like cheerleaders?

[Suits]

(08-01-2014 02:29 PM)clever alias Wrote:  

i dont know anyone who took english at a public university and had a nonChinese teacher

I do. I've met plenty.

There are plenty of university teaching jobs in China. They don't pay that great, however. You'll make more money in the private sector, although the hours required at a uni job are comparatively very minimal.

I'm not sure, but the university jobs in the big three may be very competitive. If you aren't picky about the city, you'll be able to find a job easy if you have your B-degree completed.

I am in China working towards a long term stable existence, but I'm not interested in doing teaching for any longer than necessary and I work in the private sector because the money is better.

[Suits]

Truer words were never spoken. I'm going to highlight the parts that really stand out to me in bold. Everyone interested in teaching in China should pay special attention to this post.

(08-02-2014 07:15 AM)BadWolf Wrote:  

Chinese Uni jobs are for losers guy, those people make almost 0 money when compared with the mills.
A typical Uni job in China pays 4000 rmb, the same hours at a language school can bring you nearly 15k per month. If you want to fvck Uni girls just get a part-time job at WEBB, English Town or Wallstreet.

Quote:

China: just any bachelor degree from a western country and for lack of a right way to put this, the right "face"
Korea: Masters degree in any field plus two years teaching experience, the "face" helps but not without the paperwork

whoa whoa fixed it for you

Quote:

China: just any bachelor from a western country and for lack of a right way to put this, the right "face".
Korea: bachelor in any field plus the "face". helps but not without the work

You guys gotta get this bvllsh1t out of your head that you NEED a degree... I've been teaching 13 years and really the highest attained paper from home was a forklift license. You gotta have the face, the personality and it would help if you knew a little PUA because the majority of HR interviews are going to be with women. My TESOL took me a week and the only guy who failed the class was a Chinese guy who brought in a pair of woman's panties for his 'demonstration' at the end.

Quote:

Uni jobs are great because they have high social value, low working hours, and long paid vacations. Usually there are other perks; healthcare, pension, flights and an end of year bonus, even free accommodation throughout the year.

I met a guy who is the 'big cheese prof' in Nanjing U. He is there using a false identity and false creds but everyone swears he's the smartest dude ever. That free accommodation you are talking about is a rat infested, one bedroom sh1t hole that even a Chinese farmer would have trouble staying in.

I never accept provided accommodation and don't advise that anyone else do so either. Half of the problems that happen to people who come here to teach in China happen because of housing disputes.

Quote:

There is no such thing as healthcare in China and foreigners will never receive a pension or 'bonus', Chinese will find a way to 'dock' you for it. The only social value you get in China from a Uni job is the cred you're gonna get from the hideously obese colleagues you work with. Money rules in Asia.

Don't fool yourself into thinking this is some 'academic job', that's newb think. The guys who make it in ESL are the hustlers, the scumbags and the cons. The social status comes from hookups to better jobs and Chinese will never value you unless you are teaching their kids and the kids cry if you aren't there.

The highest earning teacher in Guangzhou ($10,000 to $15,000 USD per month) used to deal coke in the USA. He is probably the best kids teacher I have ever seen. Put it this way, you can make $100 to $150 an hour teaching kids if you know the right people or you can make $10 an hour doing an adult class. In ESL, street smarts, not education is ultimately what counts in the end. Asians value guanxi and money over education, if you know how to network, you will trump the 'grads' every single time.

Taught in Japan, Korea, China, Peru, Brazil and Mexico.

Quote:

Qualification required
1. English native speakers only
2. Bachelor degree or above
3. Aged between 22 and 55
4. Over two years teaching experience
5. Healthy and good working attitude
6. No criminal record
Looking forward to your early application!
Tiffany
Recruiter
Guangzhou Saintshine Education Service Co. Ltd.

1. Unless we can't find any
2. or white face where upon we will make you one [I have 4] or you are married to Chinese.
3. Single white male or 'In China' also acceptable
4. As long as it says that on your resume. [Teaching Exp can consist of days when you read storybooks to children at a library or private dance lessons]
5. Req'd by law unless you do a medical check in China.
6. of murder, lots of ex-cons in Asia.

My wife does the exact same job. A guy I know banged his way into many jobs. HR girls are usually single, unhappy and have plenty of hookups for people with the white face for the job. They will take anything they can get and try and pass off LOADS of foreigners with fake passports as 'native speakers'. If you are a NATIVE SPEAKER in China, you have the Keys to the VIP.

Quote:

Job title:Teach in Primary school in Huadu district, Guangzhou, start on 1st September,10000rmb per month
Salary:10000-10000
Hours:20 teaching classes per week, weekends off
Accommodationrovided, hotel service apartment
Location:Huadu
Type:Full time
Description:

A primary school in Huadu District, Guangzhou is looking for a female teacher to join their warm and welcoming team of excellent foreign teachers. They are looking for teachers with BA,TEFL and teaching experience. Non-native speakers holding a working visa will be accepted.

The salary is 10000rmb per month. Hotel service apartment will be provided. The working schedule is 20 teaching classes per week, 40min per class, no office hours requested. The school prefers the teachers holding a working visa, if not, a F visa will be processed first.

Huadu is in the middle of nowhere, nobody wants to go there. They offered me 14k. My wife is still there if you are looking for a job.

[2014]

I'm in the interview stages of a job paying 14,000 RMB per mo from an institution which is partnering with a UK uni to offer EAP courses in Beijing. Work hours are 18 per week and paid vacation is 20 weeks per year. This is the type of job I'm talking about in this post, not the shitt 4000 RMB jobs in the sticks

[BadWolf]

If that is a job in BJ you better demand 30 to 40k per month. Danger pay, no joke. I've been coughing up black phlegm since I got home 2 weeks ago. That was from living in the South where the pollution is nearly 700 points less.

The going rate in BJ is 25 to 30 per month.

[2014]

Really? That's 4000-5000 usd a month? I doubt it, I've not seen anything close to that advertised.

[BadWolf]

You are not going to either, all advertisements on the net are for first year teachers. LOL wow salaries have dropped, there must be a huge influx of Americans into Beijing. You are absolutely nuts if you go there to teach.


Experienced Teacher wanted in Urumqi 5200-11,000 yuan per month plus housing and more



If you can make 11k a month in URUMQI then you know you are getting royally fucked making less than 30 in Beijing. Urumqi is near SIBERIA. When I was in Urumqi's EF, I worked with a gardener, 3 ex soldiers, 1 field medic, a bar maid, and a backpacker. No one had a degree and we were all teaching kids. Some of them did side work at WEBB... but common guy, you have a degree and your shooting that low? I guess it doesn't surprise me, I met an American in Guangzhou that was working at his school doing 60 hours for 7000 rmb (and paying his own apartment). This is just a case of not knowing what you're worth and not understanding how much English lessons cost the average student. Seems like americans are willing to work for peanuts.

[jdreise]

@2014

As BadWolf said, 14,000 per month is low for a high school subject teaching position in a first tier city. My school (in SH) starts negotiations at 19k, with less periods (fifteen 40 minute periods per week) than the one you posted. You should get on a plane, fly to China, and negotiate face-to-face. If you have the "face" (fairly average looking white person and not too fat), you'll have plenty of offers. These hybrid US/UK/Canadian programs are popping up all over the place. The bubble is going to pop soon and rich Chinese are looking to get out. One of the easiest ways is sending their kid abroad to go to university.

After spending a year in China, I wouldn't consider a position in a city other than Shanghai or Shenzhen (as a beginner, maybe Hangzhou or Suzhou, Jiangsu if the money/hours were the same as Shanghai).

The money is by far the best in Shanghai. I worked six days a week last year doing PT jobs but never pulled in less than 50k a month, except during September and October when I was getting my schedule set and February during the Spring Festival. I had one month where I made 63k.

Posted jobs in Shenzhen pay less but you can always escape to HK when you get sick of China. And you will get sick of China. I hate almost everything about it, but I'm making good money so I'll stay another year and sock it away.

One more piece of advice:
You had better have a plan in coming to China. Mine was to save as much cash for reinvestment as possible---not just chase women.
If you just want to chase women and still have a little extra money at the end of the month, China is one of the worst options in Asia. Just my opinion, but I think Han Chinese women are brutal looking and have horrible attitudes. They are much better looking in Korea, Japan, Thailand, and Vietnam. Again, just my opinion and it's for the population at-large and not individuals. With that many people, there are still good looking girls around but the percentages are much, much lower.

[Global_Cocksman]

(08-02-2014 07:15 AM)BadWolf Wrote:  

You guys gotta get this bvllsh1t out of your head that you NEED a degree... I've been teaching 13 years and really the highest attained paper from home was a forklift license. You gotta have the face, the personality and it would help if you knew a little PUA because the majority of HR interviews are going to be with women. My TESOL took me a week and the only guy who failed the class was a Chinese guy who brought in a pair of woman's panties for his 'demonstration' at the end.

As we all know, the requirements for a work visa are a bachelor's degree and now even a TEFL/TESOL certificate in some cases. Almost all the HR directors of schools and recruiters I've contacted said they're required.

Everyone seems to say that you should not try to come over on an L visa, even if it's to search for jobs, and either get a student visa or go semi legit and try to get a Z work visa.

What's to stop schools from dicking you around and refusing to pay you, or threatening to report you to the govt if you go either way (student or Z visa) with no degree?

[jdreise]

(08-05-2014 01:43 PM)Global_Cocksman Wrote:  

As we all know, the requirements for a work visa are a bachelor's degree and now even a TEFL/TESOL certificate in some cases. Almost all the HR directors of schools and recruiters I've contacted said they're required.

Everyone seems to say that you should not try to come over on an L visa, even if it's to search for jobs, and either get a student visa or go semi legit and try to get a Z work visa.

What's to stop schools from dicking you around and refusing to pay you, or threatening to report you to the govt if you go either way (student or Z visa) with no degree?

If you fly in on an L, the school might pay for your trip back to your home country to get a Z visa. My school did this last year with a new hire right after the visa law changed. At this point in China either way is risky. Get hired abroad so you come in on a Z visa and risk having a shitty situation when you land, or fly in on an L and risk not finding a position that will put up the money to get you the proper visa.

I have a degree, but from what I've seen it should be possible to get a fake diploma and use that. I really doubt these "schools" are conducting any real background checks. I'm pretty sure that there is no sort of background check procedure even at the Public Security Bureau level, in contrast to Korea. Everything seems to be taken at face value in China.

Now if you get a fake diploma and turn out to be a terrible teacher who can't spell or use any semblance of proper grammar, the school might ask some questions.

I would imagine only the proper international schools like Shanghai American School and such are really carrying out background investigations.

To add, I worked alongside a dictionary definition idiot last year. It took the school about two months to act on getting rid of him, even though his incompetence was apparent from the first faculty meeting. He was hired for a subject position, but I can't imagine that he had a real degree.

I'm not condoning faking qualifications, but if you're going to do it, be sure you can walk the walk.

[LeightonBlackstock]

God damn the uni jobs in Thailand are relaxed as hell

Expect about 40,000 a month but you're required to do fuck all and are surrounded by giggly girls

I've only subbed at them, but I know an old Australian guy who works 4 days a week at Chulalungkorn and has 11 teaching hours

I don't teach at a uni but, requirements:

Thai universities: Degree and a big nose
Taiwanese universities: PGCE or something. Never gonna hire a TEFL monkey like me. Very by the book.

There's no way in hell I'm gonna teach kids again. Little Hitlers.

[Menace]

How well can you do if you have really good degrees (PhD from best schools) and a big nose? Just curious.

[BadWolf]

Quote:

As we all know, the requirements for a work visa are a bachelor's degree and now even a TEFL/TESOL certificate in some cases. Almost all the HR directors of schools and recruiters I've contacted said they're required.

I have 4, if you don't have one, generally the school will make one for you. You shouldn't need to go over on an L visa at all. I always taunt my wife with my degrees. It took her 3 years of university to get her degree and she only makes 3000 a month, took me 4 days to get mine and I made 10x her wage. It's all about how much you can charm the HR girls at the time of the interview. When I first arrived to China the second time, the HR girl was ready to fvck me after her boyfriend went home.I didn't go for it though as I met my wife the second night and it sort of created problems with her afterwards. We even got into a screaming fight in the middle of a staff meeting with me about it... game baby, use it.

[Sp5]

I went through applying at Chulalongkorn, Ramkhamhaeng, Mahidol, Assumption, Webster in Thailand, no luck last year, but there are a lot of English language programs with non-Thai students around Bangkok.

[Suits]

(08-05-2014 06:54 AM)BadWolf Wrote:  

If that is a job in BJ you better demand 30 to 40k per month. Danger pay, no joke. I've been coughing up black phlegm since I got home 2 weeks ago. That was from living in the South where the pollution is nearly 700 points less.

The going rate in BJ is 25 to 30 per month.

The going rate in BJ is nowhere near 25-50. Advertised positions top out at 18,000-20,000 for straight up ESL. Jobs that require a teaching degree pay better.

If you have the inside track, 20,000+ in Beijing isn't unreasonable, but for someone just starting out, 14,000+ is a good goal to shoot for.

Just keep in mind that for the better paying jobs, which are typically at training centers, you'll be completely giving up your weekends. If you want to party on a Friday or Saturday night, be prepared to come to work hung-over then next morning at 8 or 9AM.

[Global Entry]

Regarding these "checks," I walked over to Web in SZ a few months ago. I make a good living as an attorney, so I've no interest in teaching (though the girls around always made it enticing to teach a very minimal schedule, but I digress). Anyway, my closest friend in SZ is a Korean American guy who studies for his PhD in Hong Kong and teaches at Web to pay the bills. In any event, upon walking in, 6'1 white dude, dressed like a backpacker though (jeans and a tee), the two HR girls immediately offered me a teaching position after listening to me to talk to my friend for 30 seconds and say hello to them. I really doubt that its so hard, diploma or otherwise. Everything in China is massage-able. Hell, you could probably even take them out to KTV, throw them some gifts and not fuck them, and they'll hire you. Its their job to hire foreigners, and its more based on looking like they're doing their jobs, not whether its great. And bribes go a long way in China, regardless of what you've heard. Might need a middle man to pull it off, a Chinese so they feel safer about not getting in trouble.

There's a saying in China - I don't know the pinyin but its something like Cha bu duo. It means almost, and it applies to most everything here. Is he a university graduate? Cha bu duo - close enough. That explains the chinese manufacturing in a large part. Was it made to spec? Cha bu duo, ge ge (older brother), cha bu duo.