[lurker]

(07-28-2014 10:21 PM)MaleDefined Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 09:45 PM)lurker Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:26 AM)darklightdispatch Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 08:16 AM)Blaster Wrote:  

The main difference between them and Jezebel is that with Jezebel, it's plausible they actually believe the shit coming out of their mouths or are just acting out emotionally. With TM, you know that he knows better and is deliberately, consciously misrepresenting for his own benefit. It's Hugo Schwyzer syndrome.

Maybe, but we might be giving Tucker too much credit regarding what he actually understands. He was a decent-looking rich kid who fell into the successful frat boy experience due to circumstances. I read his books a while ago and, more than anything, he strikes me as a throwback to an earlier time.

He graduated with honors from the University of Chicago in three years and took a full ride to Duke Law. You can say a lot of things about the guy, but don't underestimate his intelligence or ability to parse something, whether or not he chooses to display it in his public persona.

What has he done with it though? What has he done in the past 10 years?

Any lawyer could tell you that law school and the bar has nothing to do with actual law practice.

Tuck is in his mid-30's. That's the point in life where no one really gives a shit where you went to school or what your GPA is. What have you done as an adult?

1. Please. Law school may poorly prepare you for the procedural realities of litigation and do absolutely nothing to prepare you for the business aspects of running a law practice, but any lawyer who tells you it has nothing to do with actual law practice is either talking out his ass or too stupid to reflect on what he learned in the academic world. Law school teaches you how to think, read, and write like a lawyer. Guess what lawyers spend most of their days doing?

2. What Tucker Max has "done with it in the last ten years" is write multiple top-3 NYT bestsellers, including one that hit #1, sold 1,000,000 copies, and stayed on the bestseller list for six years, plus create a media and publishing company that chugged along for several years and launched the careers of several other intelligent writers, like Rob Dobrenski and PhilaLawyer. Yes, his movie was an epic disaster and his fame appears to be gone, but that isn't the sum total of his accomplishments.

3. Neither of those are germane to the original point, which is that to make it through a UChi ("we shit rigor"/"where fun goes to die") econ degree with honors in three years and to get awarded* a full ride to Duke Law means his logical abilities are off the charts.

*This, by the way, is substantially harder than graduating from a t14 school, or getting honors there.

(07-28-2014 10:40 PM)darklightdispatch Wrote:  

To me, all that academic success is a point in support of the idea that he is and always was a status-quo progressive/feminist. That's the underlying ideology that permeates all of academia.

There are plenty of smart and ambitious people who just aren't very thoughtful or reflective. My impression is that he's like the archetypal politician. His angle, what is best for him is always the top, if not only priority. The issues or ideas don't matter for their own sake, it's how they can be used for personal gain. In contrast, someone like Roosh makes a point to say the harsh or ugly truth, regardless of whether its going to benefit him.

That doesn't mean he doesn't understand the issues.

Look, I get that he's at his nadir in popularity among this crowd, and that he most certainly brought it upon himself between the plagiarism and the unwarranted falsehoods. However, the wholesale shitting on every aspect of the man's being is the exact hivemind social reaction this group is always screaming about women being guilty of. Note his transgressions for what they are and move on. Roosh has already replied in the calmest, correct, and most direct way.

[polymath]

(07-28-2014 09:45 PM)lurker Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:26 AM)darklightdispatch Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 08:16 AM)Blaster Wrote:  

The main difference between them and Jezebel is that with Jezebel, it's plausible they actually believe the shit coming out of their mouths or are just acting out emotionally. With TM, you know that he knows better and is deliberately, consciously misrepresenting for his own benefit. It's Hugo Schwyzer syndrome.

Maybe, but we might be giving Tucker too much credit regarding what he actually understands. He was a decent-looking rich kid who fell into the successful frat boy experience due to circumstances. I read his books a while ago and, more than anything, he strikes me as a throwback to an earlier time.

He graduated with honors from the University of Chicago in three years and took a full ride to Duke Law. You can say a lot of things about the guy, but don't underestimate his intelligence or ability to parse something, whether or not he chooses to display it in his public persona.

No offense to U Chicago but I'm not impressed by that...I mean, it's economics, not rocket science. That degree is a piece of paper. You have to work to get it but it doesn't actually mean much, mainly it just says that you have effective study habits or you can copy other people's work quickly. Also, if Tucker Max got a full ride to Duke, then why did Duke sue him for $4k in unpaid tuition?

Ultimately, I don't think it matters how many books he has sold. His work isn't literature, it's a bunch of drunken tales that entertain people in a lowest-common-denominator way. No matter how smart you find him, it's hard to deny that he has chosen to dedicate much of his life to writing sex-and-alcohol drivel for a generation of bros.

[TheBulldozer]

All fair points lurker. I should have clarified by asking what has he done in the legal field in the last ten years.

I don't disagree that it's difficult to get into a t-20 law school, and it's certainly not for everyone. Hell, it certainly wasn't for me, and I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy.

But my issue is, what has Tuck done that is honorable and worthy of being proud of? Write a book about drunk one night stands? Lie? Plagiarize? He has a fantastic writing style and is highly intelligent, but personally I judge men on character and contribution rather than grades and popularity.

[Talekhine]

(07-28-2014 08:16 AM)Blaster Wrote:  

The main difference between them and Jezebel is that with Jezebel, it's plausible they actually believe the shit coming out of their mouths or are just acting out emotionally. With TM, you know that he knows better and is deliberately, consciously misrepresenting for his own benefit. It's Hugo Schwyzer syndrome.

I think Tucker's girlfriend probably has something to do with his watered down material, and his bashing of other PUAs. I've been listening to some of his podcasts just for fun, and he keeps referring to his gf as his "partner," which is the kind of thing you'd expect to hear from some random SWPL guy whose girlfriend is the dominant one.

My hypothesis is that Tucker's crossfit girlfriend considers herself a feminist, Tucker is in love with his girlfriend and has fallen into her feminist frame, and the only way that Tucker can do a dating podcast that his girlfriend finds acceptable is for him to strongly distance himself from PUAs and present a feminist version of game.

I think Tucker might actually be sincere, and may have actually bought into his girlfriend's frame after his humiliating professional setbacks had beaten him down. I agree that Tucker is very smart, but I don't think we can infer that he isn't genuinely deluded about this stuff. I'm pretty sure there's been a lot of research showing that the smarter someone is, the better they are at rationalizing things to themselves.

[MikeCF]

Sounds like Tucker's lawyer is posting here.

Here's a thought experiment: Given that Tucker will outright lie about Roosh, what are the odds that those stories in his book are true?

Heck, you can't even trust Tucker to tell the truth about something that is verifiable.

Imagine what he does when there is no way to verify the truth or falsity of what he says.

Something for the fan boys to think about....

[ThrillHouse]

Pardon me if this has been posted already, but here's Tucker Max getting called out for one of his bullshit stories (I think it was in I Hope There's Beer In Hell) on Opie and Anthony:

Besides the obvious lying, he's a herb. There's nothing Alpha about his whiny little voice. I highly doubt this guy got laid outside of using his family's money as bait. I'm sure he gets laid now, but that's do to his fame.

[MikeCF]

"We know that Tucker made millions off of his books and unlike other authors did not get shafted."

How do you know this?

"Because he told us."

Perhaps you might want to reconsider that line of thought?

"We know his stories are true!"

How do you know this?

"Because he said so!"

Perhaps you might want to reconsider that line of thought?

[Atlantic]

(07-29-2014 03:20 PM)ThrillHouse Wrote:  

Besides the obvious lying, he's a herb. There's nothing Alpha about his whiny little voice. I highly doubt this guy got laid outside of using his family's money as bait. I'm sure he gets laid now, but that's do to his fame

Youve got one post and its attacking someone.

Even though its deserved in this case Im tired of guys with minimal post counts who have posted nothing of value jumping on these kind of threads.

Just straight up hating.

[Blaster]

(07-29-2014 03:45 AM)Talekhine Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 08:16 AM)Blaster Wrote:  

The main difference between them and Jezebel is that with Jezebel, it's plausible they actually believe the shit coming out of their mouths or are just acting out emotionally. With TM, you know that he knows better and is deliberately, consciously misrepresenting for his own benefit. It's Hugo Schwyzer syndrome.

I think Tucker's girlfriend probably has something to do with his watered down material, and his bashing of other PUAs. I've been listening to some of his podcasts just for fun, and he keeps referring to his gf as his "partner," which is the kind of thing you'd expect to hear from some random SWPL guy whose girlfriend is the dominant one.

My hypothesis is that Tucker's crossfit girlfriend considers herself a feminist, Tucker is in love with his girlfriend and has fallen into her feminist frame, and the only way that Tucker can do a dating podcast that his girlfriend finds acceptable is for him to strongly distance himself from PUAs and present a feminist version of game.

I think Tucker might actually be sincere, and may have actually bought into his girlfriend's frame after his humiliating professional setbacks had beaten him down. I agree that Tucker is very smart, but I don't think we can infer that he isn't genuinely deluded about this stuff. I'm pretty sure there's been a lot of research showing that the smarter someone is, the better they are at rationalizing things to themselves.

That seems plausible. I haven't read any of his books or listened to any of his podcasts. Until this thread I didn't even know he had a movie. I based my statement on the accusation that he's repackaging manosphere content and the quote posted in the thread.

[lalafufu]

(07-28-2014 07:36 AM)Lucky Wrote:  

The co-host on the podcast, Professor Geoffrey Miller, is also a conniving tool bag.

He wrote a tweet where he chided fatties for not having self-discipline and later said it was all an experiment for his research project. What a fucking joke. He later retracted saying "My sincere apoplogies to all for that idiotic, impulsive, and badly judged tweet. It does not reflect my true views, values, or standards." The dude didn't have the balls to stand behind his opinion.

This is likely why he's been reduced to shelling out advice with TM.

Other pearls of wisdom from their show:

Tucker:
One of the primary concepts is negging, right? And it’s like, if there’s anyone on earth who’s famous for negging people and making fun of them, it’s fucking me. Okay? So, it’s like, when they do that, I’m always like, you guys are missing the fucking point. This doesn’t make sense. Teasing someone is funny, but the best teasing is always when both of you are in on the joke, not when you’re putting someone else down. They don’t get this, for the most part. As a community, they don’t understand that at all. They think it’s about putting the women down, making her feel shitty so that the woman will then search for your validation.
I have found there’s sort of three types of pick up artists. There are the ones that are complete sociopaths, and I mean that. They are sociopaths, like, diagnosed sociopaths. There are the ones who fit somewhere on the autistic spectrum, like they have Asperger’s or they can’t understand people or whatever. And then there’s the ones who, I think, really, genuinely hate women. Like, have real issues with women, and to them, pick up artist stuff is their way to get over on them. It kind of ties back in with zero-sum game.
You’ve never, ever, ever seen a pick up artist who is a guy who was popular in high school or popular in college or popular anywhere outside of the pick up artist community ever. The approach looking at women as opponents, looking at women as objects, looking at women as things that you have to get over on, right? Think about the way that they talk, the language they use. Seduction. Seduction implies you are getting something out of someone they don’t want to give you. Gain. That implies you have an opponent.
Nils:
There’s a winner and a loser.
Tucker:
Right! There’s a winner and a loser. Bang. Words like that. That’s an offensive action. Bang is the sound a gun makes. I’m not picking shit out. This is not meaningless, guys. Words usually indicate underlying emotional thought. Like, we can go deep into that sort of stuff.



Bang is the sound a gun makes! Jesus.

tucker deserves a big smack for how many times he said like. what kind of person let alone man talks that way

[ThrillHouse]

(07-29-2014 03:43 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 03:20 PM)ThrillHouse Wrote:  

Besides the obvious lying, he's a herb. There's nothing Alpha about his whiny little voice. I highly doubt this guy got laid outside of using his family's money as bait. I'm sure he gets laid now, but that's do to his fame

Youve got one post and its attacking someone.

Even though its deserved in this case Im tired of guys with minimal post counts who have posted nothing of value jumping on these kind of threads.

Just straight up hating.

Sorry bro. Okay let me balance this out: He's in good shape. He's got nice eyes. He's got money.

And you: you're very perceptive and have a lot of rep points.

See, I can be a positive pete!

Didn't mean to be all negative, but there isn't much positive one can say about Tucker Max. He's a liar and now he's talking crap about Roosh.

[darklightdispatch]

(07-29-2014 03:45 AM)Talekhine Wrote:  

I think Tucker's girlfriend probably has something to do with his watered down material, and his bashing of other PUAs. I've been listening to some of his podcasts just for fun, and he keeps referring to his gf as his "partner," which is the kind of thing you'd expect to hear from some random SWPL guy whose girlfriend is the dominant one.

My hypothesis is that Tucker's crossfit girlfriend considers herself a feminist, Tucker is in love with his girlfriend and has fallen into her feminist frame, and the only way that Tucker can do a dating podcast that his girlfriend finds acceptable is for him to strongly distance himself from PUAs and present a feminist version of game.

I think Tucker might actually be sincere, and may have actually bought into his girlfriend's frame after his humiliating professional setbacks had beaten him down. I agree that Tucker is very smart, but I don't think we can infer that he isn't genuinely deluded about this stuff. I'm pretty sure there's been a lot of research showing that the smarter someone is, the better they are at rationalizing things to themselves.

Tucker was always a feminist. He never drew any controversial conclusions or made any direct criticisms of feminism or modern society in general. He often mentioned how he was a bad person or emotionally immature (or points to that effect) because of his dealings with women. I get the impression he *always* bought the feminist frame 100%.

The status quo worked well for him and he never had any inclination to butt heads with it. His persona as promiscuous, drunken anti-hero is not actually subversive or anti-mainstream at all, even if it gets presented that way sometimes. Feminists are just fine with this sort of guy, as long as he eventually repents and allows himself to be controlled, which is exactly the script Tucker is following.

[Aether]

(07-30-2014 12:20 PM)darklightdispatch Wrote:  

Tucker was always a feminist. He never drew any controversial conclusions or made any direct criticisms of feminism or modern society in general. He often mentioned how he was a bad person or emotionally immature (or points to that effect) because of his dealings with women. I get the impression he *always* bought the feminist frame 100%.

The status quo worked well for him and he never had any inclination to butt heads with it. His persona as promiscuous, drunken anti-hero is not actually subversive or anti-mainstream at all, even if it gets presented that way sometimes. Feminists are just fine with this sort of guy, as long as he eventually repents and allows himself to be controlled, which is exactly the script Tucker is following.

To add to this point that he has always bought the feminist frame, at least two of his books, "Assholes Finish First" and "Hilarity Ensures" were published under Simon and Schuster, which is apparently a women-run organisation.

[Rutting Elephant]

Delete

[Eirykr]

(07-29-2014 03:20 PM)ThrillHouse Wrote:  

Besides the obvious lying, he's a herb. There's nothing Alpha about his whiny little voice. I highly doubt this guy got laid outside of using his family's money as bait. I'm sure he gets laid now, but that's do to his fame.

I thought this too, the moment I saw videos of him. There's just no congruency between his body language and vocal tonality when matched up against his proposed claims. He seems to have an uplift in tone while telling his stories that suggests a question rather than a statement. Like he's constantly checking to see if the listener is buying his story.

The guy is clearly a poser.

[Engineer]

(07-30-2014 01:32 PM)Eirykr Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 03:20 PM)ThrillHouse Wrote:  

Besides the obvious lying, he's a herb. There's nothing Alpha about his whiny little voice. I highly doubt this guy got laid outside of using his family's money as bait. I'm sure he gets laid now, but that's do to his fame.

I thought this too, the moment I saw videos of him. There's just no congruency between his body language and vocal tonality when matched up against his proposed claims. He seems to have an uplift in tone while telling his stories that suggests a question rather than a statement. Like he's constantly checking to see if the listener is buying his story.

The guy is clearly a poser.

He should try vocal fry too, maybe that will up his numbers. Whatever it takes!!!

[Ice]

(07-30-2014 01:32 PM)Eirykr Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 03:20 PM)ThrillHouse Wrote:  

Besides the obvious lying, he's a herb. There's nothing Alpha about his whiny little voice. I highly doubt this guy got laid outside of using his family's money as bait. I'm sure he gets laid now, but that's do to his fame.

I thought this too, the moment I saw videos of him. There's just no congruency between his body language and vocal tonality when matched up against his proposed claims. He seems to have an uplift in tone while telling his stories that suggests a question rather than a statement. Like he's constantly checking to see if the listener is buying his story.

The guy is clearly a poser.

Yea man, couldn't believe this guy is TM. Never saw a video of him before. TM as a person and his stories are completely incongruous.

[Atlantic]

(07-30-2014 11:51 AM)ThrillHouse Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 03:43 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 03:20 PM)ThrillHouse Wrote:  

Besides the obvious lying, he's a herb. There's nothing Alpha about his whiny little voice. I highly doubt this guy got laid outside of using his family's money as bait. I'm sure he gets laid now, but that's do to his fame

Youve got one post and its attacking someone.

Even though its deserved in this case Im tired of guys with minimal post counts who have posted nothing of value jumping on these kind of threads.

Just straight up hating.

Sorry bro. Okay let me balance this out: He's in good shape. He's got nice eyes. He's got money.

And you: you're very perceptive and have a lot of rep points.

See, I can be a positive pete!

Didn't mean to be all negative, but there isn't much positive one can say about Tucker Max. He's a liar and now he's talking crap about Roosh.

So youre up to three posts: One calling out Tucker Max, another hating on Kayne West and the above passive aggressive comment about my rep points.

The fact that Tucker deserves it is irrelevant. The guys here calling him out are public themselves, have large amounts of posts and have a claim to the material he has stolen plus his attack on Roosh and by association this forum.

Youre standing in the shadows. No one has meet you or seen what you have accomplished. Is this how you usually enter a new environment? Talking shit about people the second you get your foot in the door.

Im pointing this out cause I see it a lot. Low posts and big talk. Tucker has definetly messed up but I would hope that this forum doesnt allow people with zero track record to get involved with critiquing others life's choices. Seems a very PUAhate mentality to me.

[ThrillHouse]

(07-30-2014 02:31 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 11:51 AM)ThrillHouse Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 03:43 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 03:20 PM)ThrillHouse Wrote:  

Besides the obvious lying, he's a herb. There's nothing Alpha about his whiny little voice. I highly doubt this guy got laid outside of using his family's money as bait. I'm sure he gets laid now, but that's do to his fame

Youve got one post and its attacking someone.

Even though its deserved in this case Im tired of guys with minimal post counts who have posted nothing of value jumping on these kind of threads.

Just straight up hating.

Sorry bro. Okay let me balance this out: He's in good shape. He's got nice eyes. He's got money.

And you: you're very perceptive and have a lot of rep points.

See, I can be a positive pete!

Didn't mean to be all negative, but there isn't much positive one can say about Tucker Max. He's a liar and now he's talking crap about Roosh.

So youre up to three posts: One calling out Tucker Max, another hating on Kayne West and the above passive aggressive comment about my rep points.

The fact that Tucker deserves it is irrelevant. The guys here calling him out are public themselves, have large amounts of posts and have a claim to the material he has stolen plus his attack on Roosh and by association this forum.

Youre standing in the shadows. No one has meet you or seen what you have accomplished. Is this how you usually enter a new environment? Talking shit about people the second you get your foot in the door.

Im pointing this out cause I see it a lot. Low posts and big talk. Tucker has definetly messed up but I would hope that this forum doesnt allow people with zero track record to get involved with critiquing others life's choices. Seems a very PUAhate mentality to me.

What big talk? I said he's beta. I'm not saying that I'm gonna kick his ass or bang his sister.

And could you please explain how I could be passive aggressive about your high rep count? Makes no sense to me.

This is a thread about Tucker Max being a liar and a phony. I posted something of substance, especially since I've read one of his books. I proved my points. This isn't just a case of me calling him a "faggot" and leaving it at that.

There are other sub-100-post posters in this thread. You're picking on me for some reason and you really should find something else to do right now. At this point, you calling me negative while continuously attacking me, when I posted something nice to you as an olive branch, is sounding incredibly ridiculous.

[Atlantic]

^Dude you have keeping changing (at least four times) your post so its hard to respond.

I am not 'picking on you', I didnt call you negative and im not 'continuously attacking you'.

Its ironic that you get annoyed about me bringing attention to your posts when you are shitting all over someone with your own. Build some street credit before ya start throwing rocks. Or are you cool with people talking shit when they dont have to pack it up? You cant have it both ways.

This is derailing the thread and youre already playing victim. You can PM me if you want to talk more.

[Atlantic]

If you initial reply was sincere then Ill accept it but it seemed very sarcastic.

Hit up the introduction thread and post some game info. Let people get an idea of what your about.

[Blaster]

ThrillHouse, the best thing to do right now is to stop being defensive and either go back to lurking or stick to positive contributions for awhile. It might not have been fair for Atlantic to single you out, but nobody wants to see you whine about it.

[ThrillHouse]

(07-30-2014 03:53 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

ThrillHouse, the best thing to do right now is to stop being defensive and either go back to lurking or stick to positive contributions for awhile. It might not have been fair for Atlantic to single you out, but nobody wants to see you whine about it.

Thanks for the advice. Good looking out, bro.

[The Reactionary Tree]

Even if you read the Tucker Max Wikipedia article, you can see that the guy is a fraud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucker_Max

Literally in the first couple lines of the wiki entry, it lists that he is a narcissist with NPD and he brags about it. Narcissists are habitual liars, manipulators, etc.

In January 2012, it says that he is leaving behind his degenerate lifestyle and seeking psychotherapy. Then in April 2012, he tried to donate $500k to Planned Parenthood to have an abortion clinic named after him. Leaving the lifestyle behind, eh?

He is a fraud, a liar, and an attention whore. He may have been one of the original manosphere writers but it is clear today that his writings were probably lies, that he lacks principles and that he is an attention whore. I cannot respect a man like that.

I respect guys like Victor Pride, MikeCF, Roosh, Nick Krauser, Christian Mcqueen, and Matt Forney because they are the real deal. True men of principle. They dont say one thing and do another. They live the lives that they say. They're honest. Honesty is a very important virtue. So many people lack it in today's society so I respect it when I see it.

[Peter F.]

(07-28-2014 04:56 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Like any scavenger, he has cast around and realized that there really is something to this "manosphere" business. Since he has nothing to offer except bullshit stories, the next best thing is to come onto the scene and start tossing grenades everywhere. Scammers, liars, and thieves will be hunted down and ruthlessly exposed.

Tucker the fraudster. A full 6 years prior to his first book, there was a Viral hilarious google groups drunken college story. Tucker completely copied the content, personality, time-stamp writing style, everything...including typing AWESOME in caps constantly. 100% plagiarism. Tucker was an imaginary internet persona, that he desperately wanted to be true. Here's a repost in 2000 of the original story w/message board time stamp proof on right side....again 5 years before his book. He's a clown.
http://bit.ly/1u7Zg9A