[Constitution45]

(07-28-2014 11:52 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

I'm on Right Move at the moment, it's so expensive to rent in all those places people have been mentioning. Is the only option a house share in most cases (considering a lot of us don't earn lots and are in our twenties), or do you just have to actually live far away or have loads of kids and go on to benefits

House sharing is not always a bad option, if you want to live close to the centre, obviously you will see who you are living with and chances are you will have lots of space. Even in the newly reformed bad parts of town, the houses are massive and dating back to the Victorian and Edwardian period.

If you are really on a budget, you can find plenty of places in zone 3-5 that will be a lot cheaper. In terms of south of the river, I am thinking about the East London line, Croydon, Penge, Anerley, Sydenham, New Cross. All these areas are relatively unknown but transport is a good plus and the rent will be considerably cheaper, so you won't' have to live with a bunch of French students.

The big mistake a lot of people make in renting in london, is thinking that they have to get close to the centre. You have decent areas around further out and it will take you no time to get in the centre, although the traveling back from nights out can be a pain.

If you are looking for cheap inner London places close to the centre, then I recommend Surrey Quays, Whitechapel, Deptford, Woolwich, Finsbury Park, Peckham, Hackney Central. Funny enough when I was younger, these areas where places you just wouldn't go to. Now though people are flocking there because they are a lot cheaper. I suppose I'm getting too old haha

London is the new Paris, in terms of the crime and poverty moves out to the suburbs, where as the inner city areas are just some weird mix now. Some are verging on being well established nice areas. However as I said before, I strongly recommend looking further afield, it really makes little difference.

[Akula]

(07-28-2014 11:52 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

I'm on Right Move at the moment, it's so expensive to rent in all those places people have been mentioning. Is the only option a house share in most cases (considering a lot of us don't earn lots and are in our twenties), or do you just have to actually live far away or have loads of kids and go on to benefits

can't you just spend the rest of the Summer in Estonia or someplace like that?

[bojangles]

Lad look on flatshare and spareroom, i've seen places on there near the centre in good areas for £125 per week.

Ping for good areas to livein

[rudebwoy]

Not really easy to make £60k in London, is it?

Most people aren't earning that and most people live in a houseshare.

I do miss the place but the living conditions are a bit rough.

£125/week close to the Center is a good deal. Please do share.

[Teedub]

Ha cheers mate, I'm not thinking of moving there anytime soon. It was more just hypothetically.

[Saweeep]

(07-28-2014 05:55 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Not really easy to make £60k in London, is it?

Most people aren't earning that and most people live in a houseshare.

I do miss the place but the living conditions are a bit rough.

£125/week close to the Center is a good deal. Please do share.

I dunno. Pretty much every professional or sales person of calibre seems to do ok.

I think it would be an awful existence in London on any less, particularly once you're out of your 20s.

[bojangles]

(07-28-2014 05:55 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Not really easy to make £60k in London, is it?

Most people aren't earning that and most people live in a houseshare.

I do miss the place but the living conditions are a bit rough.

£125/week close to the Center is a good deal. Please do share.

check out flatshare or spareroom, try W1, WC1, EC1, N1, NW1 as postcodes

[vanryan]

£125pw in W1 / WC1 etc is going to be some sort of hell hole - plastic garden chairs instead of a sofa? microwave as the only cooking facility? gonna live on pot noodles?

lol

this is the thing with london - people accept sub-standard living conditions and lifestyle just because it's london.

[bojangles]

(07-29-2014 06:12 AM)vanryan Wrote:  

£125pw in W1 / WC1 etc is going to be some sort of hell hole - plastic garden chairs instead of a sofa? microwave as the only cooking facility? gonna live on pot noodles?

lol

this is the thing with london - people accept sub-standard living conditions and lifestyle just because it's london.

You'd be surprised, you just have to look.

[Pilgrim37]

I'm lucky having a subsidised flat near Bond st in the West End ,but apart from the pubs I don't frequent these Mayfair "bottle service" clubs ..they are a hideous US import ,or £10 a cocktail hotel bars....and being 41 I'm not hanging out in any Leicester square teenage head banging clubs.
I'm way out of touch with that scene.

Quite a bit of normal London for Average Londoners has been subsumed by the "Blingification" factor catering to the tax dodging Eurotrash and Oligarch crowd.But this is mainly the West End ,Mayfair /Knightsbridge/Kensington/Chelsea.


As for street life and people watching it's endlessly fascinating and the whole world is here passing through.

A sunny day sitting outside a cafe or pub on Marylebone High st or the Kings Road the number of attractive girls and women passing by makes you happy to be alive!

The summer weather makes all the difference....a dank,miserable wet January makes you want to emigrate!

[Blackwell]

Constitution's observations are solid and are in line with what I pretty much expected when I opened this thread. We touched on this when we met in person, I believe we share a somewhat similar distaste for English girls. It really feels like a let down when you approach one after talking to a string of foreign beauties. The plethora of foreign girls in London is what makes it attractive to me, living in Essex, I run into the blandest, stupidest girls on a daily basis. London is a welcome break for me in that respect.

I think you've been spoilt Constitution, living where you have been prior to returning. Your observations are sharp, but try not to let colour you negatively. I'm sure the city still has a lot to offer you. While London may not compare to other European cities, it is hands down the best place to be for women in the UK in my opinion. Although, as Pilgrim touched on, it's the summer and I'm in a summer mood. Damn sure I won't be feeling so positive once it gets icy and wet.

Nonetheless, I look forward to heading back into the London battleground with you soon.

[Cattle Rustler]

So in other words:

London has all the fly honies, all one must do is be at the top and swoop them.

[Constitution45]

Heh spoilt is defiantly the right word to use, I do need to improve my game, so London is a good training ground for this. It is a lot better than what you find in say Birmingham.

Let me know when you are around next, we can do a group meet up with everyone else. There is a Brazilian night at a chain pub that I discovered, it will be like shooting fish in a barrel there

[Hardy Daytona]

I've been living in South London since I was 4 (aside from leaving for 5 years to go to boarding school) so I've got some experience with the area and have discussed it in some detail with people here on the forum and at meets.
Going to clubs in central London is very expensive. As a matter of principle, I detest having to pay extortionate door fees: "Oh, so you want me to pay for the privilege of bringing business to your establishment?" Unfortunately it's a matter of social clout and so goes hand in hand with nightclub game if you're looking to DHV.
It been said that there's no shortage of foreign women and I'd definitely agree with that. While this does provide a contrast to British girls, it makes communication difficult. It's not easy to get a bang or even a number close with a woman who barely has any mastery of the English language.
Logistics are a bitch, it can't be denied. Personal transport costs and arm and a leg and public can be lethal to a bang opportunity.
And it's all expensive. If you're looking to own property in central London then prepare to bend over and take it in the ass. With an income of £31K + you're looking at 40% tax rate. Add to that council tax, property tax, living expenses and travel expenses, you'd be looking at a very small margin of error. An unexpected cost e.g. car replacement, wedding/funeral etc and that's your personal allowance gone.
It gets cheaper the further out you are (as has been discussed with the zones) but then you have to deal with a lower calibre of people.
I've not done as much travelling as I'd like, but I'd wager there's definitely better places to be living throughout Europe.

[rudebwoy]

London is a true hate it or love it city. The big plus is the influx of foreign ladies that moved there and pass through, NYC cannot compare in this department.
Living there I dated all EE gals and got a flew other flags without trying too hard. The EU factor has been a godsend for women flocking to the place,without that the talent would be lacking.

I would love to move back, but won't dream of it unless I am north of £50k in salary.

[N°6]

(07-27-2014 03:37 PM)HankRearden Wrote:  

One of my best friends here is a great looking guy, has a great job, dresses well, speaks well, is actually just a genuinely good person, and has probably slept with under 10 women at age 23. He can't figure it out, and neither can I. I do know, however, that if he lived in Canada/America he would be over 25, with better looking girls, and have put in much less effort (so long as he keeps that ever-fawned after English accent of his).

I have noted this time after time in the UK: the man is often better looking than the woman in a couple. Moreover, I can tell an internet date as the man is often far better looking than the woman.

I don't think that there is a more female-friendly dating market than that of the UK. The signs are there which normally suggest a seller's market:

*female obesity,
*generally poor clothing,
*a better looking boyfriend
* a slimmer boyfriend,
*hostility to natural heterosexual male desires (in contrast to the numbers and weird and wonderful things that gay men are into - gay rights are to be defended),
*a demand that potential boyfriends have suitable political beliefs,

I would advise every young British man to travel before basing his confidence on the British market or the validation of English women.

When I advertise a spare room, I subtly disqualify English women from moving in. I find them to be the least house proud women I have ever met. Italian, French and Spanish women have the place looking spotless while English women rarely clean up after themselves never mind doing the odd general house clean. They can't cook and a female Italian housemate remarks how often British men cook for British women and that would never happen to Italy. I replied that British men have no choice other than going out to eat.

The UK dating market it just like its domestic property market. It favours the seller. The value of the seller's asset increases regardless if he has invested anything into the repair and upkeep of his property. The UK housing stock is the worst maintained, most expensive and poorly constructed in all of Europe - just like its women.

[bojangles]

Great post No6 as it's true. It's why I recommend renting English property and one night stands with English girls and nothing more hahaha

[Constitution45]

(08-07-2014 02:49 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 03:37 PM)HankRearden Wrote:  

One of my best friends here is a great looking guy, has a great job, dresses well, speaks well, is actually just a genuinely good person, and has probably slept with under 10 women at age 23. He can't figure it out, and neither can I. I do know, however, that if he lived in Canada/America he would be over 25, with better looking girls, and have put in much less effort (so long as he keeps that ever-fawned after English accent of his).

I have noted this time after time in the UK: the man is often better looking than the woman in a couple. Moreover, I can tell an internet date as the man is often far better looking than the woman.

I don't think that there is a more female-friendly dating market than that of the UK. The signs are there which normally suggest a seller's market:

*female obesity,
*generally poor clothing,
*a better looking boyfriend
* a slimmer boyfriend,
*hostility to natural heterosexual male desires (in contrast to the numbers and weird and wonderful things that gay men are into - gay rights are to be defended),
*a demand that potential boyfriends have suitable political beliefs,

I would advise every young British man to travel before basing his confidence on the British market or the validation of English women.

When I advertise a spare room, I subtly disqualify English women from moving in. I find them to be the least house proud women I have ever met. Italian, French and Spanish women have the place looking spotless while English women rarely clean up after themselves never mind doing the odd general house clean. They can't cook and a female Italian housemate remarks how often British men cook for British women and that would never happen to Italy. I replied that British men have no choice other than going out to eat.

The UK dating market it just like its domestic property market. It favours the seller. The value of the seller's asset increases regardless if he has invested anything into the repair and upkeep of his property. The UK housing stock is the worst maintained, most expensive and poorly constructed in all of Europe - just like its women.

There is a lot of truth here, the dynamic between the sexes are extremely distorted here. You will come across so many good looking men who have got respectable lives, having relationships with these overweight chicks who have terrible characters and lifestyles.

It comes down to understanding your value; I used to be a very naive guy, but over the years it really hit me. That there is a conscious game being played here, the women in Britain do try to mask the average British man's value, so they can continue with the good thing they have going.
They do this, by being obnoxious, rude, criticising men on their looks; so many games being played. Keeping their men dependent on them and pussies basically.

I have boycotted English women ever since I turned 19 years old, ever since then I have been with foreign women (well when it came to anything more than a one night stand). Ironically enough I have been on the end of shaming from not the women (I don't really come across them anymore) but actually the men. You know the types, the ones who end up with a below average girlfriend and take pride in it.

The working class girls have the same mentality as black ghetto females. They will show off about being aggressive and fighting, intimidating guys or other women. A lot of them peak really early on (Late teens I am talking about here) because they will have a kid by then, two years later they will get another kid from a different father. Its matriarchal in nature.

The Middle class girls peak at a later age (21-23) but they really take feminist attitudes to heart. Every time I get in a conversation with these girls, they start talking about how men dominate relationships and this is bad etc. Makes me laugh though as the men around them are these effeminate hipster types, who can't even dominate themselves.
You will find a small group of these types who will be suitable for dating and maybe something more, but it is a small group.

I believe its the British protestant outlook that really made things easier for the whole feminist, progressive culture to take over. With the reaction against anti Thatcher, meant a lot of ordinary people opened themselves up to the left wing, although that point it became all about feminism, multiculturalism and not about economic reforms, which the working class at the time were more concerned about.

But yeah basically it is fucked, I can go into a load of anecdotes but it is all the stuff you have probably read before, so I don't want to fill up the thread with it. British guys really have to wake up and vote with their feet. A lot of my closest friends I have advised to move elsewhere. Unless you can be a student here or live a high player lifestyle in London, I really don't see the desire to stay in this location.
There are so many better options where being a British guy will turn you into a high value commodity.

[apolis]

A Kent girl with a promising career in London was literally chasing me after fucking her a few times. I tried to tell her how to suck cock properly but she got angry and told me that she sucked many cocks and noone ever complained...She was cool, but not really my type.British girls have spirit, but the appearance can be big problem.

[Constitution45]

(08-07-2014 12:13 PM)apolis Wrote:  

A Kent girl with a promising career in London was literally chasing me after fucking her a few times. I tried to tell her how to suck cock properly but she got angry and told me that she sucked many cocks and noone ever complained...She was cool, but not really my type.British girls have spirit, but the appearance can be big problem.

I would call it an itch, not spirit. Pulling is not a problem, but you will have to lower your standards on many occasions. Student freshers can offer talent though.

[Deluge]

(08-07-2014 11:55 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

Unless you can be a student here or live a high player lifestyle in London, I really don't see the desire to stay in this location.

How much money would a guy actually have to make a year to afford being a player in central London? i.e living somewhere with high nightlife density like the West End or Shoreditch etc.

[Constitution45]

(08-07-2014 12:52 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 11:55 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

Unless you can be a student here or live a high player lifestyle in London, I really don't see the desire to stay in this location.

How much money would a guy actually have to make a year to afford being a player in central London? i.e living somewhere with nightlife density like the West End of Shoreditch etc.

£70k a year roughly but you won't be able to live extravagantly. Especially if you are clubbing every weekend. Shoreditch is in the East End, it used to be very cheap to live there, however you are looking at 40k a year, if you want to live in an okay place and have a life around there.

I would suggest living in Bermondsey or London Bridge area, good location for Shoreditch and West End, and a few players seem to live there for some reason. I can't tell you how much that place will be now, as I said previously it changes a lot.

[vanryan]

(08-07-2014 01:03 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 12:52 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 11:55 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

Unless you can be a student here or live a high player lifestyle in London, I really don't see the desire to stay in this location.

How much money would a guy actually have to make a year to afford being a player in central London? i.e living somewhere with nightlife density like the West End of Shoreditch etc.

£70k a year roughly but you won't be able to live extravagantly. Especially if you are clubbing every weekend. Shoreditch is in the East End, it used to be very cheap to live there, however you are looking at 40k a year, if you want to live in an okay place and have a life around there.

I would suggest living in Bermondsey or London Bridge area, good location for Shoreditch and West End, and a few players seem to live there for some reason. I can't tell you how much that place will be now, as I said previously it changes a lot.

Taxi back from the west end - less than £20 and only takes a few mins late at night. Much cheaper than living in the west end + easier to find a modern spec flat around there.

I'd say you'd want £100k in your pocket per annum to have a nice lifestyle in london. That would mean not watching the pennies in the VIP clubs and being able drop cash on nice clothes - plus escape the UK on nice little Euro weekend breaks every month.

[Saweeep]

(08-07-2014 01:03 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 12:52 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 11:55 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

Unless you can be a student here or live a high player lifestyle in London, I really don't see the desire to stay in this location.

How much money would a guy actually have to make a year to afford being a player in central London? i.e living somewhere with nightlife density like the West End of Shoreditch etc.

£70k a year roughly but you won't be able to live extravagantly. Especially if you are clubbing every weekend. Shoreditch is in the East End, it used to be very cheap to live there, however you are looking at 40k a year, if you want to live in an okay place and have a life around there.

I would suggest living in Bermondsey or London Bridge area, good location for Shoreditch and West End, and a few players seem to live there for some reason. I can't tell you how much that place will be now, as I said previously it changes a lot.

70K after tax and you'd be ok…till your mid 30s I reckon.

I'm 32 and wouldn't consider moving to london without 70k disposable income. It'd be too damned depressing.

What's the point of living there if you can't sample what it has to offer regularly?

[Constitution45]

(08-07-2014 04:19 PM)vanryan Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 01:03 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 12:52 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 11:55 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

Unless you can be a student here or live a high player lifestyle in London, I really don't see the desire to stay in this location.

How much money would a guy actually have to make a year to afford being a player in central London? i.e living somewhere with nightlife density like the West End of Shoreditch etc.

£70k a year roughly but you won't be able to live extravagantly. Especially if you are clubbing every weekend. Shoreditch is in the East End, it used to be very cheap to live there, however you are looking at 40k a year, if you want to live in an okay place and have a life around there.

I would suggest living in Bermondsey or London Bridge area, good location for Shoreditch and West End, and a few players seem to live there for some reason. I can't tell you how much that place will be now, as I said previously it changes a lot.

Taxi back from the west end - less than £20 and only takes a few mins late at night. Much cheaper than living in the west end + easier to find a modern spec flat around there.

I'd say you'd want £100k in your pocket per annum to have a nice lifestyle in london. That would mean not watching the pennies in the VIP clubs and being able drop cash on nice clothes - plus escape the UK on nice little Euro weekend breaks every month.

Yeah agreed, property in Bermondsey is cheaper as well. There are a lot of interesting characters around this area, personally I wouldn't live there, it will always be a unsafe area for me, because of past experiences around there.