[civpro]

Height is a major sexual attractant and a key genetic marker of male fitness. I would wager that it is within the top 3 factors of woman-to-man attraction (the other 2 being face and social status), and it continues to grow in importance in our increasingly shallow, hypergamous, aesthetically-driven hookup culture. As an attractant it is also the most consistent (height is never a bad thing, whereas with faces/physiques/styles women have certain "types") and it is among the two clearest "deal-breakers" in dating (the other is race).

Short guys need to compensate where they can (wear lifts, work out more, dress better, approach more, socialize more, earn more money), and then accept it and move on (a lot of women they just won't be able to get).

Taller guys also need to realize their entirely arbitrary but very real advantage and stop giving short guys hollow advice ("it's just your game bro!").

[civpro]

(07-22-2014 01:08 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 11:00 AM)Dusty Wrote:  

A 5'8" guy with a handsome face will be lusted after by more chicks than a 6'2" with a mediocre or ugly face.

Hahaha . . . no.

Actually it's true. Face edges out height. I know two friends, a 5'8" Tom Cruise-style handsome guy and a 6'3" Frankenstein-looking guy. The shorter guy absolutely crushes his taller friend. The taller friend has to resort to Asian girls lolol.

[JohnKreese]

Problem is, so many short(er) guys let this shit get to them. I've been on dates with a number of girls who wanted either A. a guy taller than me B. a "tall" guy C. both who said they'd never been on more than one date with a guy my height. In reality, the problems that they had faced were with the insecure short(er) guys (one girl told me that she went out with a short guy who would demand to walk in front of her to give the illusion of similar height) and when they'd find out that I didn't give a shit and actually preferred taller girls, they had no problem.

Obviously, this isn't going to be the case with all girls, but the less fucks given by short(er) guys about height differential, the more fucks gotten!

[Alan Partridge]

(07-22-2014 05:40 PM)civpro Wrote:  

Height is a major sexual attractant and a key genetic marker of male fitness. I would wager that it is within the top 3 factors of woman-to-man attraction (the other 2 being face and social status), and it continues to grow in importance in our increasingly shallow, hypergamous, aesthetically-driven hookup culture. As an attractant it is also the most consistent (height is never a bad thing, whereas with faces/physiques/styles women have certain "types") and it is among the two clearest "deal-breakers" in dating (the other is race).

Short guys need to compensate where they can (wear lifts, work out more, dress better, approach more, socialize more, earn more money), and then accept it and move on (a lot of women they just won't be able to get).

Taller guys also need to realize their entirely arbitrary but very real advantage and stop giving short guys hollow advice ("it's just your game bro!").

Great point. I think body actually beats face. Plenty of ugly, yet masculine guys with decent muscle and height do very well. At least with all the Slavic girls in my neighborhood.

Social Status and Height are forever; the face is a variable (although also of importance).

1. Social Status/Power
2. Tallness
3. Game
4. In good shape.
5. Money (especially if self-made)
6. Face

Anything that a girl has, isn't as important as what she lacks: Social Status, height and muscles. She can't have those without: a) a ton of work and ambition b) testosterone injections.

[Avon Barksdale]

I am gonna post some the advice I got from Mcqueen, when I made a thread about my height and Game

(12-03-2013 12:29 AM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

The best players I know are below average in height.

Guys that out pull myself and I'm 6' without shoes.

-Focus on your INNER game: build your confidence and walk like you're the shit and have a donkey dick.

-Get your style on point.

-Workout. If you're short, it'll help to have a good body, BUT it's not the end all or be all.

-Make $$$$ Get paid and get laid.

-IMAGINE that you're 6'+ tall. Literally close your eyes before going out and imagine that you're tall. It sends off a vibe.

-Hold your shoulders back.

-Wear perpendicular striped clothing. Stay away from horizontal stripes.

-Accept that you're short, BUT that it's not going to hold you back. Some bitches will refuse to date you and that's ok. A lot will love you.

-Master your personality. I would rather be 5'5" and be charismatic as Denzel Washington, then 6' and boring as fuck.

-Insecurity is a Game killer. Get rid of it.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(07-22-2014 07:55 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

...

Social Status and Height are forever; the face is a variable (although also of importance).

1. Social Status/Power
2. Tallness
3. Game
4. In good shape.
5. Money (especially if self-made)
6. Face

Anything that a girl has, isn't as important as what she lacks: Social Status, height and muscles. She can't have those without: a) a ton of work and ambition b) testosterone injections.

Frankly I rather agree with an early article by Roissy:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/09/...n-game-do/

Quote:

In descending order of importance, here are the male attractiveness traits that women desire in men:

Psychosocial dominance (game).
High status/fame.
Personality (passion/charisma/humor).
Wealth.
Good looks/height/muscularity.
Cleverness/smarts.
Dependability/reliability.
Sexual prowess.

If being tall were right after Fame and even before Game this would be a different world - guys would be wearing secret plateau-shoes non-stop. I've seen 6'4 guys with great looks being out-gamed by 6ft guys. Initial attraction points are good and with apps like tinder a very short guy with a very pretty face can get way more out of his buck. But as a combined rule of all factors the list is likely correct in descending order.

Now personally I am almost 6ft, so I probably did not register as much of a plus, but not much of a minus either. But in all my travels I've met so many 5'7 Alphas with terrific Game, that it lends credence to the opinions by Roissy. Of course a good Looking 6'3 Player with great Game will be better and have it way easier than the 5'7 ugly Guy with equal Game. But that is the sexual market place - the other guy can only balance it with specialized Game (Salsa clubs) or by acquiring Fame and Enormous Wealth (no easy feat in our times). Life may be fair, but only when seen from a very long-term and cosmic perspective - in one specific lifetime it certainly is not "equal".

[Every10GivesMeA10]

as a tall man (6'7 like i wrote before) i have noticed that women are way too harsh when it comes to dealing with short men. these girls flat out openly tell me they would be embarrased to be seen with a short man and that when she arrived to a date, the guy happened to be just a bit taller than her and she ejected.

if you are short you need to compensate by having a big dick (also trainable), dress extremely well, have a shit ton of 'swagger' and improve social skills...

but i have to be honest, i have gotten girls simply because of my stature.

also you gotta stop worrying about stuff you can't control. with my height girls expect me to have a 10' dick LOL so thats one negative.

[cmrocks]

While I'm not "short" per se at 5'8, I've found that my height has been a slight disadvantage albeit nothing major. As others have said, some girls will flat out reject you. When I was single, I experienced this mostly in online dating and second at night clubs. I won't get into the whole online thing; everyone here I'm sure has experienced the 6's with the utterly absurd must-have lists. In nightclubs, I would imagine that being taller is a distinct advantage because it gives one more presence. I'm not an overly outgoing person and I've never done well in a night club setting. I'm sure being taller would help a little but, for me, it's mostly that I'm just out of my element and not confident in that setting.

In all other aspects of life, I've never found my height to be a big disadvantage. My fiancee is 5'9, 120 lbs, blonde hair, blue eyes, used to model when she was younger etc. I met her at a friends wedding. We were sat next to each other. I gamed her hard for a couple hours during dinner and the speeches, had her laughing etc. After the first dance, I grabbed her and brought her to the dance floor. We stood up and her first comment was "holy shit you're short!". She was wearing heels and was a solid 4 - 5" taller than me. In the end, it obviously didn't matter.

[MidWest]

Very good information on short guys vs. tall guys. Tariq Nasheed breaks everything downt. In the end its your swagger and status and game that prevails. He goes on to say the many rappers are very short like Lil Wayne and still get women. Status!

Short dudes according to Tariq Nasheed should adopt the Napoleon complex on being confident and be gangster with your stuff. Napoleon was whopping all kinds of ass all over Europe and people in Europe were afraid of him and respected him, you didn't want to mess with Napoleon.

[scorpion]

Being short is a major handicap with women, period. A short guy will always be working with a disadvantage. However, this does not mean that short guys cannot pull. Far from it. They just need to overcompensate in other areas. They will never get a free pass the way that a taller guy will, so they need more personality, better game, bigger muscles, fancier clothes & cars, higher status, etc...

No point denying this fact, it's just the way it is. A short man is like a woman with below average facial aesthetics. An ugly woman in denial of the fact becomes an angry feminist or a lesbian. The smart ugly woman does the best she can with her face with makeup (and maybe plastic surgery) then makes herself really valuable in other areas: she works out frequently and maintains a banging body, she develops a pleasant and feminine personality, she cooks and cleans, etc... A woman like this can be a very attractive partner for most men despite her lack of raw beauty.

A short guy is the same way. All else being equal, women will never have the same visceral response to a guy who is 5'5" and 140 as they will to a guy who is 6'4" and 240. It's just not possible, so if you're short you have to stack the deck in your favor in other ways. You're basically playing the game on a higher difficulty setting. Don't deny that fact, own it. You will have to try harder to get the same results. Embrace that as an opportunity to make yourself the best you can be.

[YoungBlood]

American women (hell, all of them) be like:

[BDawg]

Shorties have a different strategy. They get disqualified often in their youth, but tend to retain a youthful appearance longer. They should aim for that V-shape shoulder to waist ratio which is more important to women per Professor Geoffrey Miller.

Katie Holmes' very first requirement for a man during a Howard Stern interview was that he be tall. This was before meeting Tom Cruise. No comment on the guts of that arrangement.

If a woman is a little large, especially around the midsection, a shorter man is not a good choice for presentable fuck. She will look like the Michelin Man in public with him or like a Miss Piggy to his Kermit. This gets worse with age, so an age gap is also a good idea.

Just don't be fat and ugly.

[civpro]

(07-23-2014 09:38 AM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  

if you are short you need to compensate by having a big dick (also trainable)

how can you compensate by having a big dick when women can't even see it and consider it when they disqualify you on the height issue? Do you even logic bro

[el mechanico]

(07-23-2014 05:17 PM)civpro Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 09:38 AM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  

if you are short you need to compensate by having a big dick (also trainable)

how can you compensate by having a big dick when women can't even see it and consider it when they disqualify you on the height issue? Do you even logic bro

Hang out in places where you can 'hang it out in places'

Just kidding this entire thread is retarded. It's like the forum festivus every year or 6 months.

[el mechanico]

Every10GivesMeA10..... Please explain how our penis size is "trainable"

[VforVlad]

Quote:

What's the purpose of guys under 5'8. Like why are u on earth?

^^^ Looks like I barely made the cut according to this comment.

Christ.

[weambulance]

Jelqing, I guess?

Men place far more importance on dick size than women, from what I've seen.

[Jazzman92]

(07-23-2014 05:35 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Every10GivesMeA10..... Please explain how our penis size is "trainable"

I think he's referring to Jelquing. Its a technique that allows your penis to get bigger

[Jazzman92]

Im just over 6'2 and I've noticed my height has helped me in some situations but its not as important as many men claim it is. My friend who has the highest notch count is around 5'7. He's fucked over 50 girls many of them 8+/10. The biggest advantages in being tall and big is intimidating people.

[AntiTrace]

You have probably never gotten laid if:

-Your under 6'2"
-Your penis is smaller than 8"
-or less than 6" in girth
-You don't have 10% bodyfat
-You can't benchpress 2x your body weight
-You are less than $500k liquid
-You drive a car worth less than $100k
-You arent at the cutting edge of fashion
-You can't play a musical instrument
-Or speak a foreign language
-Or have read each of the all-time great novels
-Or live by yourself with water-tight logistics
-Don't practice martial arts

[Days of Broken Arrows]

OK, moving away from comedy ^^^^ back to the real world, I found some ethnic subcultures to be more friendly to the vertically-challenged.

The ultimate one is Judaism. My ex-wife was Jewish and so were several ex-g/fs. All preferred brains over brawn. In synagogue I'd sometimes see wives towering over husbands -- not a common sight in America. My ex was around two inches taller than me, by the way.

Also, you have Hispanics and third you have Asians to a degree. I also found that black women who have a thing for white men will cast aside height preferences just to get with a white guy (crass as that sounds).

Finally, if you're short and a really nice-looking woman you're with ever says to you "I prefer smaller guys!" take her at her word. I didn't and lived to regret it. I ended things thinking she'd eventually dump me for someone much bigger since she was a cheerleader. Instead she found someone even shorter. Live and learn.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(07-23-2014 09:20 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

OK, moving away from comedy ^^^^ back to the real world, I found some ethnic subcultures to be more friendly to the vertically-challenged.

The ultimate one is Judaism. My ex-wife was Jewish and so were several ex-g/fs. All preferred brains over brawn. In synagogue I'd sometimes see wives towering over husbands -- not a common sight in America. My ex was around two inches taller than me, by the way.

Also, you have Hispanics and third you have Asians to a degree. I also found that black women who have a thing for white men will cast aside height preferences just to get with a white guy (crass as that sounds).

Finally, if you're short and a really nice-looking woman you're with ever says to you "I prefer smaller guys!" take her at her word. I didn't and lived to regret it. I ended things thinking she'd eventually dump me for someone much bigger since she was a cheerleader. Instead she found someone even shorter. Live and learn.

Good points. Male attraction is such convoluted process. Sure - most women experience an instant visceral attraction towards height and good looks, but then it dissipates quickly in their minds. In any kind of different encounter and especially if she is looking for a LTR those things do not matter that much to women.

I've heard the same by women who said: "I like short men."
My cousin is a 5'6 Alpha and you should see the way he completely dominates (benevolently) his entire family and also any other unruly kids coming for visit. He was also quite popular with women, because he is very witty.

Another time I also realized that women PERCEIVE height differently when they are attracted to men. An example - a beautiful female friend of mine (dated her twin-sister, but that is beside the point) once said that she met a great man, a pilot, tall and good-looking. When I finally met the guy he was 5'8-5'9 and one of her previous boyfriends was 6'3, so I thought that his height would go towards the latter one's. But no - to her 5'8 was tall, because he was tall in her mind.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(07-24-2014 02:28 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 09:20 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

OK, moving away from comedy ^^^^ back to the real world, I found some ethnic subcultures to be more friendly to the vertically-challenged.

The ultimate one is Judaism. My ex-wife was Jewish and so were several ex-g/fs. All preferred brains over brawn. In synagogue I'd sometimes see wives towering over husbands -- not a common sight in America. My ex was around two inches taller than me, by the way.

Also, you have Hispanics and third you have Asians to a degree. I also found that black women who have a thing for white men will cast aside height preferences just to get with a white guy (crass as that sounds).

Finally, if you're short and a really nice-looking woman you're with ever says to you "I prefer smaller guys!" take her at her word. I didn't and lived to regret it. I ended things thinking she'd eventually dump me for someone much bigger since she was a cheerleader. Instead she found someone even shorter. Live and learn.

Good points. Male attraction is such convoluted process. Sure - most women experience an instant visceral attraction towards height and good looks, but then it dissipates quickly in their minds. In any kind of different encounter and especially if she is looking for a LTR those things do not matter that much to women.

I've heard the same by women who said: "I like short men."
My cousin is a 5'6 Alpha and you should see the way he completely dominates (benevolently) his entire family and also any other unruly kids coming for visit. He was also quite popular with women, because he is very witty.

Another time I also realized that women PERCEIVE height differently when they are attracted to men. An example - a beautiful female friend of mine (dated her twin-sister, but that is beside the point) once said that she met a great man, a pilot, tall and good-looking. When I finally met the guy he was 5'8-5'9 and one of her previous boyfriends was 6'3, so I thought that his height would go towards the latter one's. But no - to her 5'8 was tall, because he was tall in her mind.

Also good points. And to build on them, I'll restate something I said on here before for the new readers here. If you're short, cultivate some other quality that will stand out more than your height when people see you.

I was always "the short guy" growing up. Then I stopped cutting my hair my sophomore year in college and I became "long-haired guy" or "biker dude" or "the hippie" or whatever the girls on my dorm hall imagined I was. But that is how I started to get referred to, and I was no taller. I assume tattoos or something like that might have a similar effect.

[weambulance]

^ @ Zelcorpion's post

I tried to write something about that earlier but I couldn't articulate it properly.

To girls, as we know, perception is everything. So if she's attracted to you, she'll perceive you as stronger, taller, more handsome, etc. If she's not attracted to you, or repelled, she'll perceive you as uglier, weaker, etc. But your internal game is so, so important as well because girls have finely tuned insecurity radar.

I have a friend who's almost exactly the same height as me. I'm much larger framed and more muscular than he is, which helps my confidence and affects my body language. My self confidence in areas other than the purely physical is also very high because I've successfully faced many more challenges in my life than he has. I know what I am capable of; I don't have to guess or hope or worry that I won't measure up. Not only do girls perceive me as significantly taller than he is, including his own girlfriend, but he perceives me as taller as well! His insecurity in his body and his self doubt is obvious to the point that it to diminishes him in the eyes of others and himself.

[AntiTrace]

On perception:

I have a 8.5 that is subtlety hinting at wanting me to ask her to marry her. shes 5" 3". I'm 5'7" ~ 5' 8". A dude 6'3" just GAVE her a truck. A 20k brand new truck. Your welcome short guys of RVF.