This thread seems to be diverging into two schools of thought, and there is merit in both.
Yes, Western culture is most definitely corrupt and some of us still buy into it despite our red pill knowledge. It's influence is strong and pervasive. There is a lot of slightly shaming "man up" statements being made on this forum, not only in this thread, but in several others. I believe that is a byproduct of Western culture and women say it all the time to men around here.
So the urge to isolate our future wives from the most corrosive elements of Western culture is understandable. You have to understand where that is coming from because you see it everyday and everywhere. It's disgusting and disheartening from a red pill point of view, that it almost makes you want to put your blinders back on.
But how is this practical, exactly? Do you go live in some bumfuck town surrounded by mountains where the nearest grocery store is 30 miles away? And some guys talk about forbidding their wives to drive. Well, when you're at work, how is she going to get groceries for you, her, and the kids, then? Plus she's going to be bored out of her fucking mind. And some of these towns have 8 to 1 ratios of thirsty males to he-female whales with missing teeth. Your unicorn wife from wherever you imported from is going to be very sought after, and if any one of those males have just as much game or muscle as you do if not more, then you'd better watch it. I can understand not using cable and only watching manosphere-friendly movies, but that might be as far as it goes with respect to feasibility.
Sure, you could pack it up and make a permanent move abroad. But what about your family, friends and career that you'd be leaving behind? If you have no real family and have a location independent income, it probably would be a much easier decision for you. But if you grew up with lots of family and had some roots here along with a solid career that you've worked so hard to build, it is a decision that cannot be taken lightly. I'm in the latter case, and sometimes I teeter between being gung-ho about "getting the fuck outta here" and having second thoughts about my grand plans.
So let's say you do move. But you'll always be a "foreigner" or "outsider" in whatever country you end up in. You'd have to spend years and years becoming fluent in their language, especially if it's a hard one like Mandarin or Thai. I can live with that for a while, maybe a few years, personally. But is that where I want to be at 45? How about 55? Or 70? Sure there are some 70 year old men living a much happier life abroad than here, but what was their real story? Maybe they already had a family and kids. Then got divorce raped and lost everything, taking their remaining pocket change to live it out in the Philippines. We don't really know their stories and whether they would apply to men like us.
It goes without saying that we men need to keep working on our game whether we are single and whether we are married. I recently read a book by Athol Kay and wrote a review about it (link:
thread-52543.html ).
This guy kept his marriage together despite the toxic cultural influences. How? She was a virgin and was religious when they first met. No surprise there, we all know that low-count girls are better wife material and the risk of divorce is lower with them. But that does not mean you can get complacent when you actually find one. As WIA says, you still got to have game and keep it at the highest level as you possibly can. You cannot get lazy. Family life, in my experience, can be stressful, tiring, and boring as fuck. If you don't find a way to spice things up and keep things interesting, your marriage is going to go down in flames. This is important and overlooked... you've got to spice things up, make life interesting, and keep yourselves out of a never-ending boredom rut.
It helps if the husband and wife are a real TEAM that allows for more cohesiveness than if they went their separate ways to their respective jobs, and coming back home totally beat. Perhaps the husband runs a business, and has his wife help him. Even better if the business can be run from home, so they both stay at home to be with the kids, saving money on child care, homeschooling them even, and keeping negative cultural influences out without being a paranoid and possessive asshole. I imagine that would be one cohesive family, don't you think? The more cohesive a family is, especially between the man and woman, the harder it'd be to break them apart.
I believe this is why some men advocate having kids almost immediately after marrying and do it while she's young, because this would keep her busy as a mother. Which is what you want. But at the same time, so many men make the mistake of putting the kids first. A woman's natural inclination would be to put the kids first, but we, as the head of our family, cannot allow this to happen. We must put the relationship between the man and woman first, yes - even before the kids. Putting the kids first is the wrong frame, and you let the kids - and by extension - the mother - rule the household. No. That does not work.
Every time you get on a plane before takeoff, you hear the safety procedure that tells you to put your oxygen mask on first, BEFORE you put the mask on your kid. Why? If you pass out while trying to put the mask on your kid, both of you are going to pass out. The analogy applies to taking care of your family. Take care of yourself first - meaning your health, fitness, game, finances, etc - before you take care of your woman and kids.
It does go without saying that we need to be cognizant of what kind of women we consider LTRing or marrying. This forum has been a WEALTH of information on what red flags to look out for, how to improve your game, and which countries tend to have more of the wife material that we are looking for, or we might want to look for in the future.
So is there a third option? Besides moving to a foreign country, or importing a foreign woman here?
I don't know. I don't have any foolproof answers. As much as it bothers me right into my core, there may never be any foolproof answers... and we could age into our 80s alone sitting and waiting for such an answer.
But the closest thing to an acceptable answer is: Me. Yourself. Ourselves.
Look within ourselves, what we can tolerate, and what we cannot tolerate. What is most important to us? What really matters in our lives? What are we willing to sacrifice to get what we want? Do we even KNOW what we want? What kind of man do we really want to be?
These are heavy questions, I know. I don't know the answers to some of these questions about my own self. I'm learning everyday, though... and while I have my location independence plan, I really think that I would not figure things out for myself until I've been traveling around for 2-3 years at least. Then... just maybe... hopefully... I will have some more experience to help answer some of these important questions for myself. What I DO know is that staying exactly where I am right now, hoping things will somehow improve with a little extra game, is going to accomplish nothing.
To become the man I want to be, I know I need to make serious changes in my life, if for nothing other than some deep and profound experiences to draw upon from to help me map out the rest of my life.
Alright I'll get off my soapbox now. I think about this shit too much.
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