[Samseau]

(07-17-2014 02:44 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

You guys are talking about immigration as if it is the problem. It is the symptom.

Think bigger guys.

Noone here is advocating opening our borders and creating a free-for-all globalized society. So stop presenting that as if it's a viable scenario that some of us are taking seriously. Be a little more realistic.

We're in a situation where the U.S. economy NEEDS IMMIGRANTS. Blaming our immigration policy is 10 steps too late. Liberal immigration policy is what politicians must adopt to delay the inevitable; a lack of U.S. growth.

You don't have to explain the evils of immigration. I and everyone else here get it. What you guys are failing to do is provide alternatives.

Look at our younger generation that is entering the workforce. They will inherit our production and our debt. Let's start looking at their incentives:

-What incentive do they have to work when they can live at home with their helicopter parents that have told them to feel good no matter what?

-What incentive do they have to work hard when they can relax and play videogames?

-What incentive do they have to build material wealth if they see it as an empty pursuit anyway?

-What incentive to men have to build wealth to attract women if it doesn't attract women?

-What incentive to people have to build wealth and build a family if they grew up in a divorced household?

There are no more incentives. Hell, half of us on these boards are on a mission to build enough wealth or location independence just so we can get the fuck out of the country, and you know we're not the only ones.

And you guys talking about immigration as if that's the issue at hand? Ha! The only benefit I can see to locking our borders is to simply quicken our economic downfall so that maybe, just maybe, we can mobilize an entire generation to get off their asses and contribute to this country.

There would be plenty of incentives for these people to get out and work if jobs paid more. However, by saturating the labor pool with slave labor, there are no incentives.

America needs immigrants like women need more likes on facebook.

[MidWest]

(07-17-2014 02:12 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 02:08 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 01:48 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 01:42 PM)MidWest Wrote:  




For the last time people. Illegal Immigrants CANNOT get government assistance or welfare. Welfare is only available for U.S. citizens. How do I know this? Because I actually have family members who are illegal.

Illegals still get Medicare benefits, but feds vow crackdown, $70M savings

Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare

10 myths about immigration

I actually have real life experiences and have family members who are illegal. I can assure you that illegal immigrants know that they wont get welfare so therefore wont bother.

Really, the Washington times is just making shit up, huh?

Which country were you born in?

Well, the Washington Post can write all they want, but my grandfather was here illegally and recently passed away. He didn't receive Medicare benefits. Obviously because he's not eligible. He was never in a nursing home or got free medication, ever. All of this came out of the family's pocket and he died at my aunt's house in a bed, not in the hospital for fear of paying lots of money.

So every time I see articles like the Washington Post saying that illegals are draining the welfare system and getting benefits, I call BS because its not what I see. It doesn't correlate with the reality I see in my everyday life having illegal relatives.

I was born in the U.S. by the way. I'm your quintessential American born "anchor baby" and proud of it and I do not live up to the stereotype of being on welfare and on food stamps. Quite the contrary actually.

[Samseau]

(07-17-2014 03:05 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 02:12 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 02:08 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 01:48 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 01:42 PM)MidWest Wrote:  




For the last time people. Illegal Immigrants CANNOT get government assistance or welfare. Welfare is only available for U.S. citizens. How do I know this? Because I actually have family members who are illegal.

Illegals still get Medicare benefits, but feds vow crackdown, $70M savings

Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare

10 myths about immigration

I actually have real life experiences and have family members who are illegal. I can assure you that illegal immigrants know that they wont get welfare so therefore wont bother.

Really, the Washington times is just making shit up, huh?

Which country were you born in?

Well, the Washington Post can write all they want, but my grandfather was here illegally and recently passed away. He didn't receive Medicare benefits. Obviously because he's not eligible. He was never in a nursing home or got free medication, ever. All of this came out of the family's pocket and he died at my aunt's house in a bed, not in the hospital for fear of paying lots of money.

So every time I see articles like the Washington Post saying that illegals are draining the welfare system and getting benefits, I call BS because its not what I see. It doesn't correlate with the reality I see in my everyday life having illegal relatives.

I was born in the U.S. by the way. I'm your quintessential American born "anchor baby" and proud of it and I do not live up to the stereotype of being on welfare and on food stamps. Quite the contrary actually.

Guess what brah - things have changed since your grandfather came to America.

[Teedub]

(07-17-2014 12:48 PM)objectivist tree Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:21 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Is there anyone here who thinks that Singapore should allow unrestricted immigration from America?

Should every American who is dissatisfied with life in the U.S. be entitled to emigrate to Singapore to start a new life? Should they be granted housing and welfare benefits paid for by the government (aka the taxpayers) of Singapore? Does Singapore have a moral imperative to provide these materials benefits to every American who shows up and claims they are in need?

Do the countries of Europe have a moral obligation to allow unrestricted immigration from Africa? Are Africans entitled to access to the European welfare state with all of its benefits simply by showing up and claiming they are in need?

If you answered yes to these questions, then you must admit that national sovereignty no longer exists. If countries cannot control who crosses their borders and who has access to their government services, then the country itself is at risk. Imagine a private country club that required all members to pay $200 in monthly dues suddenly allowed anyone who showed up at the gate and claimed needy status full access to the club without paying anything. How long do you think the club would last after that? Who's going to keep paying his dues?

If you answered no to these questions, then please explain why the United States (and other Western countries) must bear the economic and cultural burden of allowing massive flows of immigrants into their borders, when other countries do not do this. Are Western countries simply not allowed the right to exist? Where is the great outcry for China, Brazil, Israel, Russia and other non-Western countries to open their borders and tax coffers to immigrants?

Why is it only majority white countries that must bow at the progressive altar of massive immigration?

Totally agree with you. Why is it that only Western countries should bear the burden of third world immigrants? Why not flood countries like Israel, Singapore, China, Japan, South Korea with Central Americans, Africans, and Arabs?

Anyone who has done some research about multiculturalism can see that it is a terrible idea. How are we getting enriched by inviting hostile outsiders within our borders?

I might sound like a conspiracy nut, but I don't think it (multiculturalism) was designed to 'work'. It was implemented to destroy national identity (at least in Europe), and along with the denigration of the nuclear family, is another weapon used by cultural Marxists to undermine Western culture. It's actually been thought out by academics at some point or another. Sure, useful idiots like SJW's push it along, as they're utopians, but I don't think it was ever originally designed to form a coherent and stable society.

Look at this stuff that Planned Parenthood published internally back in 1969...it says it wants to "increase homosexuality" and undermine the family for purposes of population control. It's all part of the same subversion plan.

It's called the 'Jaffe Memo'.

[TheWastelander]

(07-17-2014 03:14 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:48 PM)objectivist tree Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:21 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Is there anyone here who thinks that Singapore should allow unrestricted immigration from America?

Should every American who is dissatisfied with life in the U.S. be entitled to emigrate to Singapore to start a new life? Should they be granted housing and welfare benefits paid for by the government (aka the taxpayers) of Singapore? Does Singapore have a moral imperative to provide these materials benefits to every American who shows up and claims they are in need?

Do the countries of Europe have a moral obligation to allow unrestricted immigration from Africa? Are Africans entitled to access to the European welfare state with all of its benefits simply by showing up and claiming they are in need?

If you answered yes to these questions, then you must admit that national sovereignty no longer exists. If countries cannot control who crosses their borders and who has access to their government services, then the country itself is at risk. Imagine a private country club that required all members to pay $200 in monthly dues suddenly allowed anyone who showed up at the gate and claimed needy status full access to the club without paying anything. How long do you think the club would last after that? Who's going to keep paying his dues?

If you answered no to these questions, then please explain why the United States (and other Western countries) must bear the economic and cultural burden of allowing massive flows of immigrants into their borders, when other countries do not do this. Are Western countries simply not allowed the right to exist? Where is the great outcry for China, Brazil, Israel, Russia and other non-Western countries to open their borders and tax coffers to immigrants?

Why is it only majority white countries that must bow at the progressive altar of massive immigration?

Totally agree with you. Why is it that only Western countries should bear the burden of third world immigrants? Why not flood countries like Israel, Singapore, China, Japan, South Korea with Central Americans, Africans, and Arabs?

Anyone who has done some research about multiculturalism can see that it is a terrible idea. How are we getting enriched by inviting hostile outsiders within our borders?

I might sound like a conspiracy nut, but I don't think it (multiculturalism) was designed to 'work'. It was implemented to destroy national identity (at least in Europe), and along with the denigration of the nuclear family, is another weapon used by cultural Marxists to undermine Western culture. It's actually been thought out by academics at some point or another. Sure, useful idiots like SJW's push it along, as they're utopians, but I don't think it was ever originally designed to form a coherent and stable society.

Look at this stuff that Planned Parenthood published internally back in 1969...it says it wants to "increase homosexuality" and undermine the family for purposes of population control. It's all part of the same subversion plan.

It's called the 'Jaffe Memo'.

What page is that on?

[MidWest]

(07-17-2014 03:07 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 03:05 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 02:12 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 02:08 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 01:48 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

Illegals still get Medicare benefits, but feds vow crackdown, $70M savings

Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare

10 myths about immigration

I actually have real life experiences and have family members who are illegal. I can assure you that illegal immigrants know that they wont get welfare so therefore wont bother.

Really, the Washington times is just making shit up, huh?

Which country were you born in?

Well, the Washington Post can write all they want, but my grandfather was here illegally and recently passed away. He didn't receive Medicare benefits. Obviously because he's not eligible. He was never in a nursing home or got free medication, ever. All of this came out of the family's pocket and he died at my aunt's house in a bed, not in the hospital for fear of paying lots of money.

So every time I see articles like the Washington Post saying that illegals are draining the welfare system and getting benefits, I call BS because its not what I see. It doesn't correlate with the reality I see in my everyday life having illegal relatives.

I was born in the U.S. by the way. I'm your quintessential American born "anchor baby" and proud of it and I do not live up to the stereotype of being on welfare and on food stamps. Quite the contrary actually.

Guess what brah - things have changed since your grandfather came to America.

My grandfather just died last year (2013). That lady most likely became a U.S. citizen therefore would be eligible for those benefits. Then again its Fox News. I wouldn't be surprised if they got some lady off the streets that barely knows English and put her on T.V. for some cash to say "milk, bread, child-support".

Having been around many illegals all my life, the vast majority don't get squat.

[Christian McQueen]

"America has had a history of attacking those at the bottom end of the socioeconomic spectrum and till this day that hasn't changed."

You're the one who's here. If it's so bad then GTFO and stop complaining.

[Teedub]

(07-17-2014 03:18 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Look at this stuff that Planned Parenthood published internally back in 1969...it says it wants to "increase homosexuality" and undermine the family for purposes of population control. It's all part of the same subversion plan.

It's called the 'Jaffe Memo'.

What page is that on?
[/quote]

I got that from a Wiki source.

But it was brought to my attention by a guy I follow on Youtube.

[Chapped3rdEye]

(07-17-2014 03:05 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

So every time I see articles like the Washington Post saying that illegals are draining the welfare system and getting benefits, I call BS because its not what I see.

There are a ton of ways that illegals are a drain besides collecting medicaid or food stamps. Sending their kids to the local public schools is a good example. They'll probably get free lunch and probably need ESL classes.

[Collide]

(07-17-2014 03:05 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

So every time I see articles like the Washington Post saying that illegals are draining the welfare system and getting benefits, I call BS because its not what I see. It doesn't correlate with the reality I see in my everyday life having illegal relatives.

You cannot use small anecdotal evidence to exonerate the estimated 7-20 million illegal immigrants in the united states. Your family is hardworking, your relatives are hardworking, I completely believe that. But you have to look at large sample sizes of data rather than "but the people I know don't do that...".

[Alan Partridge]

(07-17-2014 03:05 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 02:12 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 02:08 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 01:48 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 01:42 PM)MidWest Wrote:  




For the last time people. Illegal Immigrants CANNOT get government assistance or welfare. Welfare is only available for U.S. citizens. How do I know this? Because I actually have family members who are illegal.

Illegals still get Medicare benefits, but feds vow crackdown, $70M savings

Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare

10 myths about immigration

I actually have real life experiences and have family members who are illegal. I can assure you that illegal immigrants know that they wont get welfare so therefore wont bother.

Really, the Washington times is just making shit up, huh?

Which country were you born in?

Well, the Washington Post can write all they want, but my grandfather was here illegally and recently passed away. He didn't receive Medicare benefits. Obviously because he's not eligible. He was never in a nursing home or got free medication, ever. All of this came out of the family's pocket and he died at my aunt's house in a bed, not in the hospital for fear of paying lots of money.

So every time I see articles like the Washington Post saying that illegals are draining the welfare system and getting benefits, I call BS because its not what I see. It doesn't correlate with the reality I see in my everyday life having illegal relatives.

I was born in the U.S. by the way. I'm your quintessential American born "anchor baby" and proud of it and I do not live up to the stereotype of being on welfare and on food stamps. Quite the contrary actually.

When you're born in the US, your parents are put on the fast track to getting a green card. You're parents are still illegal you say? I highly doubt it.

[MidWest]

(07-17-2014 03:41 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 03:05 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 02:12 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 02:08 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 01:48 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

Illegals still get Medicare benefits, but feds vow crackdown, $70M savings

Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare

10 myths about immigration

I actually have real life experiences and have family members who are illegal. I can assure you that illegal immigrants know that they wont get welfare so therefore wont bother.

Really, the Washington times is just making shit up, huh?

Which country were you born in?

Well, the Washington Post can write all they want, but my grandfather was here illegally and recently passed away. He didn't receive Medicare benefits. Obviously because he's not eligible. He was never in a nursing home or got free medication, ever. All of this came out of the family's pocket and he died at my aunt's house in a bed, not in the hospital for fear of paying lots of money.

So every time I see articles like the Washington Post saying that illegals are draining the welfare system and getting benefits, I call BS because its not what I see. It doesn't correlate with the reality I see in my everyday life having illegal relatives.

I was born in the U.S. by the way. I'm your quintessential American born "anchor baby" and proud of it and I do not live up to the stereotype of being on welfare and on food stamps. Quite the contrary actually.

When you're born in the US, your parents are put on the fast track to getting a green card. You're parents are still illegal you say I highly doubt it.

Well here's the deal. It does put them on fast track for a green card, but they have to wait until the kid is 21. Its not like once the kid pops out then automatically they become residents. I'm in my early 20's so yeah.

[speakeasy]

(07-17-2014 02:02 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 01:20 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

They aren't property owners so they aren't praying property tax.

With all due respect Speakeasy, but my parents are both illegal and own a home and yes pay property taxes, so yeah.

Midwest I was referring specifically to the type of people working in low paid service jobs that thedude3737 was referencing. These people regardless of immigration status cannot afford property in Los Angeles. I was speaking specifically about the situation in that city.

[Veloce]

(07-17-2014 03:02 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

There would be plenty of incentives for these people to get out and work if jobs paid more. However, by saturating the labor pool with slave labor, there are no incentives.

You're just repeating the same talking point.

There are plenty of jobs and opportunities out there that pay well-above a living wage. Native-born "workers" aren't taking them.

The stereotypical berry-picker is a minority in this equation, what you call "slave labor". Many immigrants make a damn good living in construction and as caretakers. Hardly slave labor.

If you've got an entire generation too unmotivated to take the jobs that are out there, guess what? Businesses are going to open their doors to those that will take them. In fact, they have to.

[Alan Partridge]

(07-17-2014 03:57 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 03:41 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 03:05 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 02:12 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 02:08 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

10 myths about immigration

I actually have real life experiences and have family members who are illegal. I can assure you that illegal immigrants know that they wont get welfare so therefore wont bother.

Really, the Washington times is just making shit up, huh?

Which country were you born in?

Well, the Washington Post can write all they want, but my grandfather was here illegally and recently passed away. He didn't receive Medicare benefits. Obviously because he's not eligible. He was never in a nursing home or got free medication, ever. All of this came out of the family's pocket and he died at my aunt's house in a bed, not in the hospital for fear of paying lots of money.

So every time I see articles like the Washington Post saying that illegals are draining the welfare system and getting benefits, I call BS because its not what I see. It doesn't correlate with the reality I see in my everyday life having illegal relatives.

I was born in the U.S. by the way. I'm your quintessential American born "anchor baby" and proud of it and I do not live up to the stereotype of being on welfare and on food stamps. Quite the contrary actually.

When you're born in the US, your parents are put on the fast track to getting a green card. You're parents are still illegal you say I highly doubt it.

Well here's the deal. It does put them on fast track for a green card, but they have to wait until the kid is 21. Its not like once the kid pops out then automatically they become residents. I'm in my early 20's so yeah.

Oh man, what a bunch of racist assholes these the US govt is! Oh wait, that's still an amazingly easy way to be granted the pathway to citizenship in a country. Most other countries WOULD never provide this because some illegal plops out a baby on their soil.

And I thought that they're illegals? They're citizens right now, aren't they? For breaking US law. Aren't they?

[speakeasy]

(07-17-2014 12:07 PM)Chemical O Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 01:01 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

I love how everyone recites media talking points about illegals being these hardworking people doing all of these terrible jobs no one else can do.

So laughable.

Illegals take jobs because they work under minimum wage. American's cannot work under minimum wage laws or else the employer risks jail time. Thus it's false to say Americans wouldn't work at illegal wages. There are plenty of disparate American citizens would be more than happy to send their kids to work for 5 bucks an hour. When I was 14 my mother got me a job washing dishes for 5 bucks an hour. I was happy to get my thirty dollars at the end of the day.

Next, illegals aren't doing difficult work. In fact, as the work of building houses, fixing toilets, and other low-skilled labor becomes automated, these illegals are also going to be out of a job. And then there will be just more poors leaching off the welfare system.

And Osiris, guess what, every illegal in America gets welfare, as long as they are a woman or a child. The men also can walk into an ER room and they also must be taken care of. Illegals are also fat and live generally unhealthy lifestyles because they work in horrendous working conditions, which means they will need more trips to the doctor.

Illegal immigration, no matter how you look at it, will make everyone in this country poor. If left unchecked our standards of living will decline down to third world levels.

But none of this shit really matters because America is going bankrupt and no one is going to feed the illegals when the welfare checks stop.

Yes, Samseu, i know you know so many Americans looking for work under the minimum wage. Haha. That is so laughable it's comic. Americans want the minimum wage raised, not lowered. Last i remember some states are pushing for 15 bucks an hour.
And, yes even more funny, you think the robots (automation) will start dry walling, cleaning toilets, taking care of babies, or that illegals wont adapt when the robots do take their jobs? No, of course you know better, they will all sit around and collect welfare. Of course.

All the illegals I know, real people, not the ones you read about in your propaganda, are scared shitless to go the ER, or report crimes, or anything that will bring them on the radar. Yes, they call 911, when accidents happen, or when they or their kids are very sick, but you think will bankrupt america? seriously?

Scared shitless? I used to see them marching through downtown LA by the thousands demanding rights and driver's licences. Look up the May Day melee that happened in LA when illegals started attacking with rocks and bottles.

[MidWest]

(07-17-2014 04:05 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 03:57 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 03:41 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 03:05 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 02:12 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote:  

Really, the Washington times is just making shit up, huh?

Which country were you born in?

Well, the Washington Post can write all they want, but my grandfather was here illegally and recently passed away. He didn't receive Medicare benefits. Obviously because he's not eligible. He was never in a nursing home or got free medication, ever. All of this came out of the family's pocket and he died at my aunt's house in a bed, not in the hospital for fear of paying lots of money.

So every time I see articles like the Washington Post saying that illegals are draining the welfare system and getting benefits, I call BS because its not what I see. It doesn't correlate with the reality I see in my everyday life having illegal relatives.

I was born in the U.S. by the way. I'm your quintessential American born "anchor baby" and proud of it and I do not live up to the stereotype of being on welfare and on food stamps. Quite the contrary actually.

When you're born in the US, your parents are put on the fast track to getting a green card. You're parents are still illegal you say I highly doubt it.

Well here's the deal. It does put them on fast track for a green card, but they have to wait until the kid is 21. Its not like once the kid pops out then automatically they become residents. I'm in my early 20's so yeah.

Oh man, what a bunch of racist assholes these the US govt is! Oh wait, that's still an amazingly easy way to be granted the pathway to citizenship in a country. Most other countries WOULD never provide this because some illegal plops out baby on their soil.

And I thought that they're illegals? They're citizens right now, aren't they? For breaking US law. Aren't they?

They are in the process of getting their green cards. Not citizens. They are still illegal. In the U.S. constitution (I forgot what amendment it was) it states that every person born in the U.S. is an American citizen and therefore has their inalienable rights protected. That is not exactly mind-blowing, its been like that for years. If you guys have an issue with that, take it up with the Supreme Court. And about breaking the law, when you want to get a green card you actually pay the fine when you apply.

I'm done posting here. It just seems like an endless debate that doesn't go anywhere. Peace!

[speakeasy]

@Midwest

Black folks take shit endlessly on manosphere sites. This week it's Hispanic's turn. Suck it up and take it like a man.

[Veloce]

Haha yeah imagine what it's like being an Indian RVF poster

[Vitriol]

(07-17-2014 04:02 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

There are plenty of jobs and opportunities out there that pay well-above a living wage. Native-born "workers" aren't taking them.

If you've got an entire generation too unmotivated to take the jobs that are out there, guess what? Businesses are going to open their doors to those that will take them. In fact, they have to.

This seems like quite a stretch. Do you honestly think everyone between the ages of 18-35 who is a native born American is just sitting in their parents' basement with no desire to ever work? Outside of a certain subset of losers, I don't think anyone really wants to live like that well into adulthood.

Why don't you post a fake craigslist ad for one of these jobs you think no Americans will take and see what kind of response you get? I'm pretty sure you get responses from people in the age range you're suggesting.

[speakeasy]

(07-17-2014 05:39 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:02 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

There are plenty of jobs and opportunities out there that pay well-above a living wage. Native-born "workers" aren't taking them.

If you've got an entire generation too unmotivated to take the jobs that are out there, guess what? Businesses are going to open their doors to those that will take them. In fact, they have to.

This seems like quite a stretch. Do you honestly think everyone between the ages of 18-35 who is a native born American is just sitting in their parents' basement with no desire to ever work? Outside of a certain subset of losers, I don't think anyone really wants to live like that well into adulthood.

Why don't you post a fake craigslist ad for one of these jobs you think no Americans will take and see what kind of response you get? I'm pretty sure you get responses from people in the age range you're suggesting.

Very good point. It would take no effort to set up a fake Craigslist ad of a crappy job that paid a living wage plus benefits. I bet your inbox would be blown up with replies.

[El Chinito loco]

Anyone that thinks having multiple generations of illegals and the resulting permanent underclass living in an area is a good thing should visit these cities in southern CA:

East LA
Downey
Pomona
Baldwin Park
Compton
Long Beach (non gentrified parts)

These are the only ones that I have had the "luxury" of spending some time in or around.

If you tour these areas and tell me with a straight face illegal immigration is a good thing then i'll listen to you.

[Veloce]

(07-17-2014 05:39 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:02 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

There are plenty of jobs and opportunities out there that pay well-above a living wage. Native-born "workers" aren't taking them.

If you've got an entire generation too unmotivated to take the jobs that are out there, guess what? Businesses are going to open their doors to those that will take them. In fact, they have to.

This seems like quite a stretch. Do you honestly think everyone between the ages of 18-35 who is a native born American is just sitting in their parents' basement with no desire to ever work? Outside of a certain subset of losers, I don't think anyone really wants to live like that well into adulthood.

Why don't you post a fake craigslist ad for one of these jobs you think no Americans will take and see what kind of response you get? I'm pretty sure you get responses from people in the age range you're suggesting.

Ha! I'll do you one better, I already do post craigslist ads looking for employees on a regular basis. Which is why I think I'm in a pretty qualified position to make my previous assertions.

My staff is overwhelmingly foreign-born, and this is not by choice.

[Veloce]

(07-17-2014 06:25 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Anyone that thinks having multiple generations of illegals and the resulting permanent underclass living in an area is a good thing should visit these cities in southern CA:

East LA
Downey
Pomona
Baldwin Park
Compton
Long Beach (non gentrified parts)

These are the only ones that I have had the "luxury" of spending some time in or around.

If you tour these areas and tell me with a straight face illegal immigration is a good thing then i'll listen to you.

Right, because only immigrants create shitty neighborhoods

You could also come to mid city, a neighborhood that's saturated with immigrants, and see a very normal, down-to-earth, dare I say it, "nice" neighborhood.

You could also go to West Hollywood, an affluent, mostly white neighborhood, and get cat called and your ass grabbed by hordes of cruising gay men.

I'll take East L.A. thanks.

[El Chinito loco]

(07-17-2014 06:40 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Right, because only immigrants create shitty neighborhoods

I never said all immigrants were bad, let's not resort to strawmen. The non P.C. fact is when you have multiple generations of illegals in an area then crime and gangs tend to fester over time.

Quote:

You could also come to mid city, a neighborhood that's saturated with immigrants, and see a very normal, down-to-earth, dare I say it, "nice" neighborhood.

There's an important distinction between legal and illegal immigrants.

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You could also go to West Hollywood, an affluent, mostly white neighborhood, and get cat called and your ass grabbed by hordes of cruising gay men.

I'll take East L.A. thanks.

I really don't think you've spent enough time in or around some of those bad neighborhoods.

Does the idea of getting shot in the back while walking to your front door seem appealing?

Or how about getting robbed in broad daylight while walking your dog?

What about having all your walls graffitti'd with ms-13 tags only to be threatened by the local savages to not remove it?