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07-15-2014, 04:05 AM
Once I swallowed the red pill I knew I would never be bound by pussy pedestalization and one-itis and romantic love and shit anymore. My recent LTR also proves that while I enjoy having a regular girl I have no problem if she leaves. No heart break or drama whatsoever.
I thought that this is the case with most redpill guy or guys who sleeps with lots of women, that they are no longer vulnerable to the string-pullings from women.
Yet the other day my best wing, also one of the decent players I know (he pulls ok, quality over quantity) was asking me to call a girl for him because she wouldnt answer his calls. Then he asked me if I still have the entry code for her apartment (we are all in the same clique). Then he came to her door knocking to no avail 3 times in a row.
When I saw him the other day he was a total wreck. No longer the cool asshole who drop girls after max 3 dates and who I went out sarging with. He even asked me to carry messages to her for him (which I didnt ofc)
Now granted, he was involved with a top-notch manipulatress (she's the female equivalent of top players) and she almost drop a harassment charge on him... And even now he's still talking "well if she comes back to me I wont say no"
Kind of remind me of what a veteran told me "for every guy with good game out there, there's two women who can make him fall hopelessly in love". This makes me feel a bit unease.
What do you guys think? Are there always women out there whose game is good enough to make us fall head over hell for them despite our game? Is there a point we can reach where we can safely say you are immune against "love"?
If you have stories of you falling hard for a girl post-redpill, do please share.
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07-15-2014, 04:11 AM
There's a girl I still fall apart around, to some degree. Not in the way you've described, but I talk to her completely differently to other girls. Despite trying to "game" her when we do talk, I for some reason just can't do it.
Other girls, some hotter (the one I'm talking about above is as close to a 10 as I could want), who I've spoke to I've been completely normal with and haven't flinched at all. But that one girl...it's weird.
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07-15-2014, 08:18 AM
Of course not, there are women out there with really strong game. It's encoded into their DNA. Even a woman without much game is going to have higher social awareness than your average guy.
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07-15-2014, 08:22 AM
Ah in the end of the day we are human, there always will be certain circumstances that can make the most "alpha" men nearly crumble. I know its an extreme example, but history is riddled with cases of great men either becoming great men or losing everything because of a woman leaving them.
I think that the early days of PUA gave a lot of guys the wrong message despite having the right intentions. It was about gaming women like how a woman would game a man, let me explain. Negging, pea cocking, pretending to be disinterested, not texting back, fake DHV with pictures on Facebook and getting the bros to "like" it on Facebook. It is all based on external validation, and eventually it will turn you into a neurotic woman, the mindset is so similar. Inner game is important because its an intrinsic part of doing well in life as a man. If you are self dependent, self reliant it makes it a hell lot easier when coming against "women's game".
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07-17-2014, 04:35 AM
Of course this shit doesn't mean that you've developed some kind of magical riot shield against the impenetrable defense that women put up against us.
You have to work at it time and time again, refine your tactics, realize what works for you and what doesn't, and capitalize on the positives.
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07-17-2014, 05:12 AM
Reminds me of Mystery who banged quite a lot but almost committed suicide over a girl. How ironic
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07-17-2014, 10:59 AM
My biggest complaint with women is usually weak game.
I like women who have game. Game = good at understanding and fulfilling my needs.
I find those women usually understand their own needs well too.
Most people just get drunk on love rather than loving sober.
If you can keep your wits and don't blackout, love is just a nice buzz.
Like attracts like. Socially aware women with game are my type.
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07-17-2014, 01:13 PM
There'll always be someone with a stronger frame than you, even if only situationally
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07-17-2014, 05:04 PM
I think what game does is protect you from one-itis and other behaviors that hinder you from being successful with most women, but not all.
I think a lot of guys that develop one-itis and the like, do so because their pool of women is small, whether because they don't have a large social circle, don't have the confidence to do approaches, etc -- the pool is small. So any woman they have in their social circle, any girl within reach becomes this perfect being of a woman in their eyes. They start getting needy and clingy, they start making all the wrong moves, etc -- because their experience is limited.
When you go out a lot, when you get experience under your belt, you start to realize there is only a small number of girls you truly match with. Not every girl -- shit, most girls -- are not that "gotta have her" girl.
But that doesn't mean that they don't exist. They do. They're just rare. And no one is immune to love. We're all, at some point or another, going to run into somebody who has the total package in our eyes, is a perfect fit for us, and we start to drop game and just do what comes natural. Of course this may open you to heartache but it is what it is.
Some dude in here wrote earlier that he attempts to run game on a special girl but it doesn't work. I've had the same thing happen. I'll have girls where I'll plan ahead for what I'm gonna do, what I'm gonna say, how I'm gonna handle it -- and then once we're in person, I forget about all the stuff I was gonna use. I go home saying "fuck, I forgot that I wanted to say blah blah blah to demonstrate value," "fuck, I told myself I was gonna wait X amount of time to text back."
It's just the way it goes sometimes.
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08-06-2014, 04:03 PM
Been flicking through womens dating advice (helps to gain insight to improve game). Stumbled across this interesting blog
http://www.thefemininewoman.com/
Does have some red pill ideas but the desire for exclusivity is overwhelming. At least gaining an insight into the feminine womens perspective can prepare you in the future.
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08-06-2014, 04:44 PM
Does boxing makes your jaw punch proof? And just because you're "boxing", does it mean you're boxing like Muhamed Ali? Same Principle with seduction. Just because you have some skills doesn't mean you're ready to fight against the best bitch. You might be a white belt, but they are black belts in the art of making men do what they want them to do.
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08-06-2014, 06:09 PM
That is a good analogy. I would say that very few men get to the level most women get to when it comes to social savvy. They start learning this shit in middle school while guys are playing video games.
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08-06-2014, 08:09 PM
No, but you know what made me immune to women's game, seeing once pretty women blow up like a balloon and 180 degree change of attitude after they got married.
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08-06-2014, 11:34 PM
What a lot of guys on here and a lot of wanna be "player" chooses to ignore is that we all have an intrinsic need to be loved and to feel an emotional attachment to others. I have seen more than a few top notch players crack because they choose to ignore this need and it only becomes a matter of time before some girl hits them from left field and they just fold. The guys that do not crack are the ones who emotional AND sexual needs are being met, usually in the form of some kind of LTR. So they have one or more LTR and still get from fresh stuff on the side. If all you are getting is sex then your emotional needs are not being met and you can chose to ignore that but it's only a matter of time before it brings you down in one way or another.
ONS or SDL gives you only marginally better emotional fulfillment than a hooker. Many times less, because of all the emotional energy you have to put into getting them. Banging a lot of girls that you don't feel any emotional connections with actually takes a greater emotional toll on you than a lot of guys realize.
And anytime you feel you are "fighting" a girl or trying to "defend" yourself against her - get out, walk away, nothing good can come from that. Every good relationship I have every had was based on a foundation of mutual admiration and caring. Why the hell would I want to get into a relationship with some girl I feel I have to "out game" constantly.
PS I am seeing a girl. The last time we went out I was about to pay for our drinks and she goes, I just got a new credit card, let's use it. She paid for the drinks. Throughout the night she was always concerned about whether I was having a good time. The next day she called and thank me and again inquired if I had a good time. If you are thinking of getting into a relationship with a girl this is how you want the girl to be acting not playing games with you.
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08-07-2014, 02:01 AM
Even Sultans with big harems fell in love though for russian bitches I don´t know if it´s an excuse. Even Atilla was killed by his slave bitch. Difficult to fight nature.
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08-07-2014, 03:32 AM
Nomad good find there bro, Im just wondering if she is naturally like that or bc she s on the first few dates. Then again; Im getting way too cynical and paranoid.
I agree with Nomad wholeheartedly that if you even smell that she s got some skills and your strings are being pulled, fucking walk away. Women are great at this stuff and for every Roosh there will be 10
Lucifer daughterwho will make Roosh look like a sheep among wolves.
Most often time its when you disregard that nagging suspicion in your head and fall for her charm that you get destroyed. The girl in my OP, if you just know her she is the most wonderful woman ever. She s always smiling, socializing and appearing genuine; cook for everyone in class; love to hug people and be hugged; gives free massage. When I go on a date with her she s every bit wife material: caring, thoughtful, no phone touching, makes you feel like a man; kisses you first.
But once you really are in the know you discover this is the most fucked up woman in the world. She has been in a secret relationship with our Sensei (we are a martial art social circle) for 5 years. All this time she flirts with all the newcomers and go on dates with them. Half of the guys who did ended up getting a false rape accusation or harassment charge, myself included even though none of us even step in her home or took her to our house. Fuck lots of the guys in the circle and turn them against each other to feed her need for drama. I almost ditched my wing bc of her (he s the one in the OP). Threaten to commit suicide. Spread rumors that ABC rapes her forcing him to leave the dojo.
My point is, enjoy your adventure with women but be on your guard. You NEVER know who a woman truly is until its too late. Devil hides in the church.
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