[gringoed]

"Also, since when is dating famous women the criteria for Alpha? I would submit that if you feel the need to date famous women to project status, then that's a self esteem issue that specifically points to being very insecure in your status. That's why i think a hell of a lot of famous 'alpha' guys consistently date and marry non famous women."

True dat. Trying to be alpha makes you not alpha. Also, worrying too much about what the definition of an alpha is and whether you are one, makes you not alpha.


"The fact that he constantly states (and sometimes angrily screams) that he does not give a fuck shows that he does give a fuck.

People that really don't give a fuck do not go around constantly stating that they don't give a fuck. Why would they? "

So when somebody asks him a question and he says "I dont give a fuck what other people think", that shows that he does give a fuck? What is he supposed to say? If somebody asks you a question, and you don't give a fuck, does saying what's on your mind show that you give a fuck? That's ridiculous.


"watching someone's life go down the shitter."

I dont think that's the case, but I could be wrong. We'll see how much control he really has by how he handles everything from now on.

[Lumiere]

Ed, look at the clip that ymg posted here specifically the beginning

[Luckystar]

(03-14-2011 11:51 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

So when somebody asks him a question and he says "I dont give a fuck what other people think", that shows that he does give a fuck?

Yes, especially when you sitting for multiple interviews repeating yourself. The 'not giving a fuck' answers become more hollow with repetition. It would be more believable if he expressed himself once, maybe twice and let it be.

What is he supposed to say? If he doesn't care, then nothing. If he does, he should say what he needs to say and leave it at that. Not the repetitive gong show he is providing.

If somebody asks you a question, and you don't give a fuck, does saying what's on your mind show that you give a fuck? Most often, yes. If you really don't give a fuck, those people will be 'dead to you'.

[Kona]

(03-13-2011 11:29 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

(03-13-2011 03:13 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

What's next???????????

Kona embarasses himself further is my guess.

I can't seem to figure out how to take a voicemail on a cell phone, record it to the computer then make a youtube video out of it so I can put it up on the RooshV forum.

Can any of you folks help me out?

Aloha!

[Lumiere]

[Moma]

(03-15-2011 04:22 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(03-13-2011 11:29 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

(03-13-2011 03:13 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

What's next???????????

Kona embarasses himself further is my guess.

I can't seem to figure out how to take a voicemail on a cell phone, record it to the computer then make a youtube video out of it so I can put it up on the RooshV forum.

Can any of you folks help me out?

Aloha!

What type of phone do you have?

[Hooligan Harry]

I wonder how many of the alphas here, who are so critical of Sheen, would be able to turn down a 10 if she walked up to them and offered to fuck their brains out all night long for the price of a drink. Charlie Sheen dropping 20k on a hooker means nothing to his bank balance. The guy is looking at $80 mil a year just in royalties from reruns over the next 5 years. Money is meaningless to him now.

The only men who deplore the thought of women getting to their money are the men who dont really have any to begin with.

Not that you need it of course! You have game and will still be banging 20 year old pornstars as you approach your fifties Im sure. Using nothing but your charming personality. Your game is that tight.

Time is money gentleman. Unless you are looking for a relationship of some sort, and its seems as if most here are not, why any bazzilionaire would think of hunting for pussy is beyond me. He will use that time to do something worthwhile with his time, and then just pay some 10 to get on her knees and suck him dry.

Treating pussy like the commodity it is when you are loaded does not make you a weaker man. It makes you a prudent one.

[Excelsior]

(03-14-2011 11:50 PM)theIVth Wrote:  

"But tricking aint the route, thats even if you got it/ theres a method to you keeping it when they cant do without it" - Snoop Dog

I will go celibate for the rest of my life before I ever pay a bitch to fuck me

This type of statement sounds nice in principle, but I find that in reality it isn't realistic, especially within the context of modern American society.

Whether indirectly or directly, most men do pay for girls at some point in their lives.

[Luckystar]

(03-17-2011 01:35 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

I wonder how many of the alphas here, who are so critical of Sheen, would be able to turn down a 10 if she walked up to them and offered to fuck their brains out all night long for the price of a drink. Charlie Sheen dropping 20k on a hooker means nothing to his bank balance. The guy is looking at $80 mil a year just in royalties from reruns over the next 5 years. Money is meaningless to him now.

There are many examples of celebs and athletes going bankrupt or in risk of bankruptcy (Micheal Jackson, Mike Tyson, Antoine Walker, Scottie Pippen, etc). Something tells me Sheen should be prudent with his money, given his imprudent lifestyle. You can't compare Sheen's time to a successful businessman's time. Sheen has all the time in the world to light up his crackpipe. His time is not money, it may very well be the antithesis right now. If anyone can blow that type of money, I wouldn't put it passed the big dumby.

From what I ve heard he is not receiving any royalties because of breach of contract. I know his contract states he is scheduled receive proceeds from syndication, but they are not paying him. My understanding is they are going to court over it. Not sure which position I like better. I think that $80 mill per year is inflated. That is producer type figures along the lines of what Seinfeld makes.

[hydrogonian]

(03-17-2011 01:35 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

I wonder how many of the alphas here, who are so critical of Sheen, would be able to turn down a 10 if she walked up to them and offered to fuck their brains out all night long for the price of a drink. Charlie Sheen dropping 20k on a hooker means nothing to his bank balance. The guy is looking at $80 mil a year just in royalties from reruns over the next 5 years. Money is meaningless to him now.

The only men who deplore the thought of women getting to their money are the men who dont really have any to begin with.

Not that you need it of course! You have game and will still be banging 20 year old pornstars as you approach your fifties Im sure. Using nothing but your charming personality. Your game is that tight.

Time is money gentleman. Unless you are looking for a relationship of some sort, and its seems as if most here are not, why any bazzilionaire would think of hunting for pussy is beyond me. He will use that time to do something worthwhile with his time, and then just pay some 10 to get on her knees and suck him dry.

Treating pussy like the commodity it is when you are loaded does not make you a weaker man. It makes you a prudent one.

I agree with Luckystar that being financially prudent is smart (and therefore maybe you are gaming women to lay out less per notch than you would paying a hooker), but if you are rich and prudence not necessary, then I pretty much agree with Hooligan Harry. Although, I highly doubt he's paying 20k for a hooker unless she stays all month.

The only exception, to hookers not being a better deal for a rich guy, is if he is trying to give a stable life to some of his offspring or he has some psychological need for a legitimate relationship.

For a guy that wealthy, Id assume that hookers are likely even cheaper than casual dating, as 'regular' women who know that you have Charlie Sheen money will likely see that you outlay a great deal of it along the way. At least its a flat rate with a hooker. Also, less hassle. I which that I could say it was less liability, but the pregnancy risk doesn't disappear with hookers if you are Charlie Sheen. That's a golden ticket for her.

I have no doubt that Sheens relationship with those girls is just a slightly evolved hooker/john relationship. That is, there was a good chance that Charlie was straight up paying them for sex when the relationship started, and they just stayed in exchange for ongoing financial support and gifts. This is a guess, but likely imo.

[Tommy]

(03-10-2011 12:00 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

I had a Filipina chick that I picked up in Davao text me to apologise for staring at me at the mall but she was 'amazed' because I looked 'so cool'.

This happened to me in the Philippines on a daily basis, although I was unshaved and wearing slippers. Most Filipina girls consider ALL white guys to be "cool", including the 30 year english shav wearing fake burberry caps and even your father. A guy who has only 10% chance to get banged in Europe or the US will get laid for free in the Philippines like a alpha 9 male back in his home country.

(03-10-2011 12:00 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

Same city 2 days later another chick tried to pull the same ploy. I told her the same exact same thing by text. When I did, she dropped her 'my pussy is worth more than your cock' frame and came over to my hotel and fucked me anyway. She arrived at the hotel with her sister. I made her sister wait for her in the lobby downstairs while I took her upstairs and fucked her.

Now that, my friend is alpha..

Lumiere, this happened to me on a daily basis overthere, not only me but all foreigners, this is not about being ALPHA... Filipina girls are known to be the easiest girls to bang in the world.
Going to the PI to bang girls and claiming to be alpha is CHEATING. In met random girls overthere in shoppingmalls and took them to a short time hotel room less than 2 hours later... but I will never say that's alpha, it's just because they are easy as pie..

Anyway, I don't want to discuss what is alpha and what is not. All that matters is youre happy with what you do.

[Hooligan Harry]

(03-17-2011 12:50 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

There are many examples of celebs and athletes going bankrupt or in risk of bankruptcy (Micheal Jackson, Mike Tyson, Antoine Walker, Scottie Pippen, etc). Something tells me Sheen should be prudent with his money, given his imprudent lifestyle. You can't compare Sheen's time to a successful businessman's time. Sheen has all the time in the world to light up his crackpipe. His time is not money, it may very well be the antithesis right now. If anyone can blow that type of money, I wouldn't put it passed the big dumby.

From what I ve heard he is not receiving any royalties because of breach of contract. I know his contract states he is scheduled receive proceeds from syndication, but they are not paying him. My understanding is they are going to court over it. Not sure which position I like better. I think that $80 mill per year is inflated. That is producer type figures along the lines of what Seinfeld makes.

Possibly, but even so. Its not easy to spend $10 million a year, let alone what he makes. And Sheen is far from dead either.

The biggest issue here for people like Sheen is not landing pussy. The guy is a celebrity for fucks sake. He is also loaded. He has all the social proof and pre selection he needs, plus he has enough money that he is at a massive advantage. Sheen is never going to struggle for pussy.

His biggest problem is getting rid of it. Once you get to the level a Sheen or Mick Jagger is at, landing once off lays becomes problematic. Fucking the chick is the easy part, getting rid of her is the hard part. You open yourself up to endless drama and bullshit.

A business transaction makes that easy for him. Playing mack daddy makes it difficult for him. When he is worth as much as he is, what does it matter to pay what he does to fuck a 10 up the ass and then walk away? Its not even money to him. You hurt more having to buy a pair of shoes than he would laying out that money to bang the broad.

Thats something a few people seem to fail to understand. This is not about being DESPERATE to the point where you pay women to fuck them. This is about convenience and being practical. Money makes a difference, always has always will. His sort of money is retarded, but add his celebrity and notch count? The guy would be a stalker/bunny boiler magnet.

Sorry chaps. This whole thing where people thing guys like Sheen or wealthy businessmen are losers for paying hookers to fuck is a very naive mindset to have. They are not actually paying for the sex, they are paying to stay drama free and avoid having to deal with all the crap that comes with landing lays.

[Gmac]

I've never had the desire to have sex with a prostitute. I think it'd be fun to screw a porn star for a while though, there's so much I could learn. Hookers are just dirty and fake to me. Hell, I can't even get it up for strippers due to the mental blockage.

[Hooligan Harry]

Yep, like the average American teen is that much cleaner? 1 in 4 teens have an std.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/03/1...5320080311

I doubt the kind of women Sheen or wealthy business men fuck are the sorts that are working the streets, sharing needles and crackpipes and barebacking truckers.

[Luckystar]

(03-18-2011 01:27 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Possibly, but even so. Its not easy to spend $10 million a year, let alone what he makes. And Sheen is far from dead either.

It is difficult, but never underestimate how much cash a junkie can blow.

The biggest issue here for people like Sheen is not landing pussy. The guy is a celebrity for fucks sake. He is also loaded. He has all the social proof and pre selection he needs, plus he has enough money that he is at a massive advantage. Sheen is never going to struggle for pussy.

I've never asserted Sheen cannot land pussy in any of my posts.


His biggest problem is getting rid of it. Once you get to the level a Sheen or Mick Jagger is at, landing once off lays becomes problematic. Fucking the chick is the easy part, getting rid of her is the hard part. You open yourself up to endless drama and bullshit.

1. He's paying some of these girls to live with him. I think it's fair to say trying to get rid of them is not a motivation.
2. If he doesn't want drama, attention, and bullshit in his life, he wouldn't have pulled a gun out on his ex-wife, trashed a hotel room, done a tour of interviews making a mockery of himself, publicly down tiger blood off a roof top, etc.

A business transaction makes that easy for him. Playing mack daddy makes it difficult for him. When he is worth as much as he is, what does it matter to pay what he does to fuck a 10 up the ass and then walk away? Its not even money to him. You hurt more having to buy a pair of shoes than he would laying out that money to bang the broad.

Ok, 'it's not even money to him'. Doesn't that make him much more susceptible of mismanagement of personal finances? The more you make, the more you spend. This is an accepted truth about money and lifestyle. Right now, I'm sure there are plenty of money hungry hoes, slimy managers, best friends on the free ride, drug loaded parties, lawsuits, etc in his life. It's an expensive lifestyle and his net worth has dropped dramatically. He just lost blew a $85 mill contract (not per episode) because he became a junkie. His current tour is set to earn him $7 mill this year. That's a massive decline in income. 92% drop. Suddenly, things are not a drop in the bucket. Let's hope he gets it together by curbing his lifestyle or regaining his earning power again.

Thats something a few people seem to fail to understand. This is not about being DESPERATE to the point where you pay women to fuck them. This is about convenience and being practical. Money makes a difference, always has always will. His sort of money is retarded, but add his celebrity and notch count? The guy would be a stalker/bunny boiler magnet.

Agreed. He is not hurting for pussy. But, I have my very serious doubts he makes many decisions with convenience and practicality in mind. Unless it's about getting the rock to his place faster.

Sorry chaps. This whole thing where people thing guys like Sheen or wealthy businessmen are losers for paying hookers to fuck is a very naive mindset to have. They are not actually paying for the sex, they are paying to stay drama free and avoid having to deal with all the crap that comes with landing lays.

Maybe wealthy businessmen are with hookers for drama free convenient lays but Sheen doesn't fit that mold by a long shot, chap.

[Luckystar]

(03-18-2011 10:32 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Yep, like the average American teen is that much cleaner? 1 in 4 teens have an std.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/03/1...5320080311

I doubt the kind of women Sheen or wealthy business men fuck are the sorts that are working the streets, sharing needles and crackpipes and barebacking truckers.

Comparing Sheen to wealthy businessmen is asinine. Current day Sheen has very little in common with a successful executive.

[Hooligan Harry]

Then why the comparisons on here to wealthy businessmen who fuck whores?

Look, I dont hold Sheen as an idol of any sort. I am indifferent about the whole thing to be honest, could not care a less. My responses have been aimed more at the posters here who pass judgement on wealthy men who are paying for sex. My argument is a simple one really. When the money they ask for means nothing to you, and the convenience, ease and benefit outweighs whatever misguided, "alpha" principle you want to live by, then all the talk of "alpha" goes out the fuckin window. If I was making 5 million a year, I would rather have kept women than have to deal with the endless bullshit that comes with chasing bitches. I would be spending my time spending it or making more money, not chasing something that could be bought for little to no value to me.

Im saving the whore fucking for when I am married or stinking rich. I also know that when I am 50 I still want to fuck 22 year olds. Thats not going to happen with any regularity unless Im paying the bitches rent or I live in Eastern Europe where age is not a hindrance.

People love to tear down men who are more successful than we are. Look at how people were hating on Woods. Everyone has an opinion from their shitty $40 000 a year cubicle job.

[playa_with_a_passport]

Wow, I know I am late to the party, I just read this thread. Kona, my man, now that's what I call a roast!!!! If somebody calls me at 2:30 in the A.M. it better be for an orgy with 72 virgins.

As for the topic, the word "Alpha" has been used and abused so many times that its totally meaningless similar to how the word "Pimping" is. Personally, I have a pretty high bar to what "Alpha" is. Unless, you out there putting in work and straight out murdering dudes who cross you, you ain't Alpha(This leaves out 99.9% of western dudes out there). After all, real Alphas in the Animal Kingdom kill lower ranking males and take the pussy of their women.

The problem with using the ability to get top notch tail as a barometer for "Alphaness" is that there are plenty of chodes and Betas out there who get more pussy than they know what to do with it (Charlie is a prime example of this).

[Tommy]

He doesn't want to waste his time playing games although he could get alot of freebies so he just pays the bitch and off he goes, that's as alpha as it gets in American showbizz I think.

[iknowexactly]

(03-19-2011 07:53 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

. Everyone has an opinion from their shitty $40 000 a year cubicle job.

Oh! The truth is harsh. How loudly the nobodies protest how special they are.

I forget which of these rich guys said " I don't pay them for sex, I pay them to go away."

That's what the heroic drones miss about real power.

[Moma]

(03-18-2011 05:47 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

I've never had the desire to have sex with a prostitute. I think it'd be fun to screw a porn star for a while though, there's so much I could learn. Hookers are just dirty and fake to me. Hell, I can't even get it up for strippers due to the mental blockage.

A porn star is just as fake and fcuks a lot too. I see no difference between a hooker and a porn star except that one is televised and the other isn't.

[Lumiere]

(03-23-2011 09:42 AM)Moma Wrote:  

A porn star is just as fake and fcuks a lot too. I see no difference between a hooker and a porn star except that one is televised and the other isn't.

There are quite a few differences for pornstars including choice of who you work with, registration of all performers and screening for STDs.

I would also say that porn stars are sexual performance artists, or at least the good ones are whereas hookers are just experts at the roll-on roll-off get-the-guy-off-asap type experience.

You are right that both are transactional sexual relationships though. Just done in a different way.

[Kickb]

what a thread!

[CupCake]

(03-02-2011 09:48 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

I met a chick here in the Phils in a club this week who said she would bang me if I bought her a pizza.

I said no.

A pizza here costs about $3.

Haha! Awesome.

[CupCake]

I usually don't pay attention to anything "celebrity" but this story seemed to be getting a lot of attention for some reason. Everyone loves a narcissist these days. Says something about the sad culture we have today.

Self-control is what separates sociopaths from the alpha. Charlie clearly doesn't have this. He's sick. He might be able to get what he wants but he's not a respectable man.

I couldn't respect myself being Charlie Sheen. I would definitely respect myself being Bill Gates.