[hydrogonian]

for the the love of god. the "what is an alpha" discussion never stays dead for long, does it...

Its a pointless discussion. But I will say that the definition of "alpha" isn't subject to moral coloring as to what is right and wrong, according to someone's personal idea of what should be a true alpha in a perfect world. That is, a world that is made up of nothing but virtuous men, good guys, and men who are free of vice. Being "alpha" has to do with being seen as higher up in the socio-sexual hierarchy than the next guy. Period. Pure and simple. In that way, being alpha is completely relative to the other male competition. An alpha can beat his girl. An alpha can pay for sex. An alpha can be a drug addict or alcoholic. An alpha can do/be none of these things. An alpha can be poor or rich.

If he is seen as dominant in social / sexual contexts, then he's higher up int the heirarchy: ie: alpha. Even if he has antisocial psychology (ie: a criminal) women will feel a vagina tingle around a dominant male, no matter how he achieves his dominance. We may not like it or agree with it, if he's a psychopath, but that's the way that it is. The only caveat I would add has to do with money. I think that taking away cash from someone who is treated like an alpha, who is then treated as a beta (in circles where money isn't a prerequisite), makes him a false alpha. If charlie sheen were to maintain his who-gives a fuck personality, honed from years of privileged and womanizing, then I think he would do fine with an average income. Maybe not live-in-porn-star fine, but he would be treated well by the ladies nonetheless. I don't think that you can have that much experience and not come away with more charm than the average man. But its hard to know without really knowing him. However, he'd have to cut the narcissism down by at least 2/3rds not to be seen as a complete psychopath, as an average income guy. He can get away with it now because he's rich and therefore "eccentric".

[Yams]

Having a healthy lifestyle shouldn't have much do to with determining alpha-ness. Haven't there been studies involving alpha monkeys living shorter life spans than their beta counterparts? Better to live a short fulfilling life than a long unfulfilled one.

Nobody is talking about Sheen right now just because he is doing hookers and pornstars. They are talking about him because he displays a "I don't give a fuck attitude" that many people wish they had. My uber beta brother calls him an idiot but I have mad respect for the guy. I want the "Make a wish foundation" to grant my wish of being with Charlie Sheen for one week. lol.

[Duke Castile]

(03-04-2011 01:12 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

for the the love of god. the "what is an alpha" discussion never stays dead for long, does it...

Its a pointless discussion. But I will say that the definition of "alpha" isn't subject to moral coloring as to what is right and wrong, according to someone's personal idea of what should be a true alpha in a perfect world. That is, a world that is made up of nothing but virtuous men, good guys, and men who are free of vice. Being "alpha" has to do with being seen as higher up in the socio-sexual hierarchy than the next guy. Period. Pure and simple. In that way, being alpha is completely relative to the other male competition. An alpha can beat his girl. An alpha can pay for sex. An alpha can be a drug addict or alcoholic. An alpha can do/be none of these things. An alpha can be poor or rich.

If he is seen as dominant in social / sexual contexts, then he's higher up int the heirarchy: ie: alpha. Even if he has antisocial psychology (ie: a criminal) women will feel a vagina tingle around a dominant male, no matter how he achieves his dominance. We may not like it or agree with it, if he's a psychopath, but that's the way that it is. The only caveat I would add has to do with money. I think that taking away cash from someone who is treated like an alpha, who is then treated as a beta (in circles where money isn't a prerequisite), makes him a false alpha. If charlie sheen were to maintain his who-gives a fuck personality, honed from years of privileged and womanizing, then I think he would do fine with an average income. Maybe not live-in-porn-star fine, but he would be treated well by the ladies nonetheless. I don't think that you can have that much experience and not come away with more charm than the average man. But its hard to know without really knowing him. However, he'd have to cut the narcissism down by at least 2/3rds not to be seen as a complete psychopath, as an average income guy. He can get away with it now because he's rich and therefore "eccentric".

As always you articulate something where I'm inclined to reverse my position.

[kerouac]

We can all argue about whether or not Charlie is alpha, but that's not the point. The PUA scene always puts a lot of emphasis on Alpha, when in reality being popular is the important part when it comes to getting girls. Is Jeremy Piven an alpha? most likely no, but he's popular enough and outgoing enough that panties drop for him left and right.

[thegmanifesto]

' Is Jeremy Piven an alpha? most likely no, but he's popular enough and outgoing enough that panties drop for him left and right."

Interesting that you mentioned him.

I swooped a girl that dissed him (the only girl I really "dated" in my life).

So you can say I have a "technical" win over Piven.

[Roosh]

Charlie's goddesses are 10 times hotter than Ebert's wife.
Charlie wins.

[hydrogonian]

(03-04-2011 03:39 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

As always you articulate something where I'm inclined to reverse my position.

haha...not my intention.

[Lumiere]

I agree with gringoed in that I think following your own path is life is an important aspect of being alpha

The don't give a fuck part is only alpha in the sense that you live by your own rules. If 'dont give a fuck' extends to the point where you dont care about the damange that you do to other people then it is not alpha.

If 'dont give a fuck' is fueled by ego, drugs and narcisism then its not alpha.

[Kish]

Charlie Sheen once said on the topic of prostitutes: "I don't pay them for sex. I pay them to leave."

[gringoed]

On a date last night the ongoing joke was acting like Charlie Sheen. I probably said "Winning!" or "Winner!" a half dozen times, along with "Tiger blood" and some other examples. I think I actually starting taking on his persona a little bit.

The best part of the night was at the end. I pulled out, came on her tits, let out a big sigh, looked her deep in the eyes and said one word.

Winning.

[HarmonicaFTW]

This can be boiled down to one question.

Does he give a fuck?

If yes, he's greater beta at most.

If no, he's alpha.

Alpha doesn't have moral strings to it. Its a mindset first and formost. And that mindset gets most guys mass amounts of pussy.

[FretDancer]

(03-06-2011 05:18 AM)HarmonicaFTW Wrote:  

Alpha doesn't have moral strings to it. Its a mindset first and formost. And that mindset gets most guys mass amounts of pussy.

I'm pretty sure serial killers and rapists don't give a fuck either, does that make them alpha?

[MHaes]

Regardless of whether he's an alpha or not, one thing is certain. He has a serious mental disorder. This was most likely masked by his drug use (people thought "Oh, he's not crazy, he's just a druggie"). Now that he is going clean, or at least attempting it, his mental condition is certainly going to worsen. His brain chemistry has adjusted to the increased dopamine levels, now that he doesn't have the drugs in his system, his brain chemistry is gonna be screwed up, just like any recovering addict. Add this to his preexisting mental disorder (it was certainly pre-exisiting), and you have a train wreck.

Personally, I am disgusted that most Americans are tuning in to watch another person crash and burn. Try to help the guy out, instead of interviewing him.

[Luckystar]

If 'not giving a fuck' is a major component of being alpha, then he doesn't qualify.

He clearly demonstrates that he does give a fuck. If you don't care what people think, then why do all the interviews answer 'their' questions? Why even bother to responding to Ebert? The Ebert response is clever, but still weak by default of responding.

I think he's an alpha in regression. Hope he gets it together again.

[hydrogonian]

I think that the interviewers are condescending. I don't know why he doesn't realize that they're out to make him look bad.

One example: Them characterizing his one gf as a "pot magazine model". Probably something she did one time 4 years ago, no different than what any aspiring starlets do in hollywood at any given time. But it sure gets middle America upset. And it puts him in a worse light than he already was in.

Unless he goes back to his TV show, these interviews are doing him much more harm than good. I wonder what his angle is.

[BazzookaBalls]

More money and fame then he already needs. Even if he did ruin his relationship with the networks his price is rising and if they do cave theyll make a killing. Im sure he's batshit crazy and has issues but this is behind the seens reality tv at its best. Im not sure but isnt tv shows like TMZ on the same network as his hit show? Its like one big commercial for the guy. Hes getting paid to tweet I wouldnt be surprised if there is a reality TV show in the works.

I think the angle he's taking is what we all wanted from Tiger, Micheal Philps, Kobe and all the rest. The only thing is he really comes off as a crazy guy with a lot of problems. Unless he's acting a bit, the guy is a actor.

[Khaleth]

He has some Alpha characteristics going for him but there's no way I can call someone who is a slave to their addictions an Alpha male... and that goes for any vice whether its cigarettes, drugs, alcohol or women.

[gringoed]

(03-06-2011 08:43 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

I think that the interviewers are condescending. I don't know why he doesn't realize that they're out to make him look bad.

One example: Them characterizing his one gf as a "pot magazine model". Probably something she did one time 4 years ago, no different than what any aspiring starlets do in hollywood at any given time. But it sure gets middle America upset. And it puts him in a worse light than he already was in.

Unless he goes back to his TV show, these interviews are doing him much more harm than good. I wonder what his angle is.

I agree that the interviews are making him look "bad" according to most people, however, I disagree that this is overall doing him more harm than good. He could be the star of his own reality tv show right now and make more than $2 mill/episode right off the bat. If he wrote a book right now he'd sell 4x as many copies as before this faisco. That's why they say any publicity is good publicity.

[hydrogonian]

very true.

[OSL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cICLG2N25...re=related

[Pepini]

Is this discussion for real?
A guy who earns million of dollars, says what comes to his mind, banged one of the hotest actress in Hollywood and lives with two hot babes is not considered an Alpha? Wtf?

[Lumiere]

(03-09-2011 06:21 PM)Pepini Wrote:  

Is this discussion for real?
A guy who earns million of dollars,

By that logic, Bill Gates is more alpha

(03-09-2011 06:21 PM)Pepini Wrote:  

says what comes to his mind,

By that logic people with tourettes are alpha

(03-09-2011 06:21 PM)Pepini Wrote:  

banged one of the hotest actress in Hollywood and lives with two hot babes is not considered an Alpha? Wtf?

He banged Halle Berry? No. Denise Richards is average looking by hollywood movie eye candy standards and can't even act.

Neither of the two chicks that he lives with are above a 7 or 7.5 unless your definition of hot is anything that is blonde and has a pussy.

[emh]

(03-10-2011 02:55 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

(03-09-2011 06:21 PM)Pepini Wrote:  

Is this discussion for real?
A guy who earns million of dollars,

By that logic, Bill Gates is more alpha

(03-09-2011 06:21 PM)Pepini Wrote:  

says what comes to his mind,

By that logic people with tourettes are alpha

(03-09-2011 06:21 PM)Pepini Wrote:  

banged one of the hotest actress in Hollywood and lives with two hot babes is not considered an Alpha? Wtf?

He banged Halle Berry? No. Denise Richards is average looking by hollywood movie eye candy standards and can't even act.

Neither of the two chicks that he lives with are above a 7 or 7.5 unless your definition of hot is anything that is blonde and has a pussy.

You continue to own people in this discussion but some people will never get it.

[Roosh]

Alpha/beta discussion has become like this for a couple years now. That's why I rarely mention either word on the blog.

[Lumiere]

emh + roosh

Agree with both of you. My second book (I am writing the first one right now) covers the topic in great detail - not the debate as to what is an 'alpha' per se but the confusion that a lot of guys have as to what a 'real man' is.

If you watch the video that youngmobileglobal posted then, unless you are under the impression that a brow permanently furrowed in a state of anxiety, eyes that jump around the room like a crackhead and need to scream 'I dont give a fuck' (when nobody who actually did not give a fuck would actually get worked up to even state it) then Sheen is not alpha or a real man or whatever else you want to call it.

Some people like to cheer on the drug fulled, narcistic, ego that is spiralling out of control and I can understand that.

Some people who are staved of pussy will be blown away by the idea that a dude has 2 girlfriends concurrently and I can understand that.

I have approx 20 times that amount right now and I know I am not the only global player on this board who can claim such numbers. I don't even view it as a numbers game. I just travel a lot (26 countries in the last 18 months) and hooking up with local chicks is just part of exploring the culture for me. I just do it in a way that is totally honest and I let them all know that I have a lot of girlfriends and that if they want to be with me they have to be cool with that.

Sheen's twitter numbers, the endless interviews, the fascination. I get it all.

Hell, if I ever randomly met the dude and he wanted to invite me partying I would be happy to go along just to watch the slow-mo car crash at close quarters myself.

The only thing I don't understand is why anybody with a functioning brain would think that two and half men was funny.