[Moma]

(03-02-2011 09:33 PM)Jack Frost Wrote:  

(03-02-2011 08:31 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

If you ever catch me paying a chick $10,000 just to have dinner with me then you have permission to shoot me. Alpha? That's about as omega as you can possibly get.

I disagree with this, money is all relative man. If youre making 40 million a year which Ive got to imagine is the area Sheen is in 10 stacks is less than .1 percent of his income. Thats like most people spending a coupe of bucks. Theres plenty of men that are next level alpha paying prostitutes and if you dont believe that youre crazy.

That's true. Because NONE OF YOU LOT can pull quality girls with NO MONEY. You leverage your assets, the clothes you wear, the cologne you use, the car you drive, buy dinner or drinks in some form or fashion. And any of you that say you only spend it because you would do it anyway are full of absolute shite.

If you are NOT gay, would you put on dapper clothes to meet your male friends? Would you spray cologne on? Would you buy wine, chew gum to freshen your breath and take men out to dinner that you barely know?

Here's an example: You go to a bar, you meet some dude that is really funny so you decide it would be good to be friends with this guy. Perhaps even, he is a fellow swooper.
Would you invite him out to dinner and foot the bill?
I bet not.

Is Charlie Sheen alpha? I'm not really sure, I would determine that on whether he would be able to pull women in his financial bracket i.e. fellow millionairesses on a regular basis.

Having sex with women because you paid for everything is not alpha to me. Because you can give ANY man in this world money but not every man can acquire the allure that wets a punani properly.

Let's keep it one hunned....

[hydrogonian]

(03-10-2011 10:18 AM)Moma Wrote:  

That's true. Because NONE OF YOU LOT can pull quality girls with NO MONEY.

homie, I've repeatedly had women foot the bill over long periods of time, when I've had NO money. Quality, hot girls. Including a few lump sum cash payments that were more than I care to post here on the forum. It can be done. You just have to provide good companionship, and lay the pipe well in return.

[Moma]

(03-04-2011 12:24 AM)Jack Frost Wrote:  

I wasnt listing those people as being Alpha I was just listing them as people that you could apply a what if scenario to and they wouldnt be where they are which is applicable to everyone. My point was that theres no point in playing or thinking what if scenarios.

With that being said Bill Gates is damn for sure Alpha. Hes consistently ranked in the top 3 richest people in the world and is self made, he has or can get the ear of any # of the most important people on the planet. He would command any room he walked into.

The definition of Alpha is very liquid in its definition as is evident in this thread we all have very different beliefs in what is truly Alpha. In this day and age its not all about being the biggest and strongest as we dont live in prehistoric times. Technology and the evolution of society has leveled the playing field for smarter guys with drive to become just as alpha as a lot of the guys you listed.

Being alpha means that you could be put in the midst of other human beings who don't give a shit about money and you could survive or have a strong likelihood of making it out.

Here is a beautiful example. I watched the documentary that came after the city of god, the movie based on those gangstas in the favellas of Brazil. Now one of the officers said that he would throw some of the smarter criminals (who had no priors) in with the population. They were convincing enough to actually manipulate the minds of the others in there and get them to pretty much do what they say and not mutilate them behind bars.

Using technology or nepotism as a leverage to get to the top is NOT Alpha. And you must remove money from the equation of alpha.


Some people don't give a shit about money. But EVERYONE gives a shit about being punched really hard in the mouth. Think about it.

[Moma]

(03-10-2011 10:27 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(03-10-2011 10:18 AM)Moma Wrote:  

That's true. Because NONE OF YOU LOT can pull quality girls with NO MONEY.

homie, I've repeatedly had women foot the bill over long periods of time, when I've had NO money. Quality, hot girls. Including a few lump sum cash payments that were more than I care to post here on the forum. It can be done. You just have to provide good companionship, and lay the pipe well in return.

I am talking about on a regular basis. Not saying it's not possible, I've had gifts myself and women covering flights and what not..but I'm talking about doing this on a week in, week out basis with top notch women. It's very difficult and in this materialistic society we live in, highly improbable.

[Pepini]

(03-10-2011 02:55 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

(03-09-2011 06:21 PM)Pepini Wrote:  

Is this discussion for real?
A guy who earns million of dollars,

By that logic, Bill Gates is more alpha

(03-09-2011 06:21 PM)Pepini Wrote:  

says what comes to his mind,

By that logic people with tourettes are alpha

(03-09-2011 06:21 PM)Pepini Wrote:  

banged one of the hotest actress in Hollywood and lives with two hot babes is not considered an Alpha? Wtf?

He banged Halle Berry? No. Denise Richards is average looking by hollywood movie eye candy standards and can't even act.

Neither of the two chicks that he lives with are above a 7 or 7.5 unless your definition of hot is anything that is blonde and has a pussy.

Lumiére I disagree with you even though I respect your opinion.

Bill Gates doesn´t have two babes waiting for him at home. Tourettes don´t say what they think. They have a clinical disease. Charlie Sheen don´t. It´s mindblowng and surprising that you compare both. Has for Denise Richards, she is hot. I can say that probably 80 to 90 % of guys I know think she´s hot.

Charlie Sheen has the qualities mentioned combined. Not separated.

[Moma]

(03-10-2011 11:18 AM)Pepini Wrote:  

Lumiére I disagree with you even though I respect your opinion.

Bill Gates doesn´t have two babes waiting for him at home. Tourettes don´t say what they think. They have a clinical disease. Charlie Sheen don´t. It´s stupid, mindblowng and surprising that you compare both. Has for Denise Richards, she is hot. I can say that probably 80 to 90 % of guys I know think she´s hot.

Charlie Sheen PAID for the two women. We can all PAY for women. So erase women from the Sheen equation.

If you want to feel like Charlie Sheen go to Cuba, spend 100 bucks and you can get 3 women plus some pork, beans and rice with gravy. Then you can wear the alpha brand tambien.

[Lumiere]

(03-10-2011 10:18 AM)Moma Wrote:  

That's true. Because NONE OF YOU LOT can pull quality girls with NO MONEY.

I do.

(03-10-2011 10:18 AM)Moma Wrote:  

You leverage your assets, the clothes you wear, the cologne you use, the car you drive, buy dinner or drinks in some form or fashion. And any of you that say you only spend it because you would do it anyway are full of absolute shite.

I don't wear fancy clothes. I wear the clothes that I like - they are not expensive but I wear them with a style that is suitable to me - and i get routinely complimented on my style. I had a Filipina chick that I picked up in Davao text me to apologise for staring at me at the mall but she was 'amazed' because I looked 'so cool'. I dont wear a single item of clothes that costs more than 30 dollars.

(03-10-2011 10:18 AM)Moma Wrote:  

If you are NOT gay, would you put on dapper clothes to meet your male friends? Would you spray cologne on? Would you buy wine, chew gum to freshen your breath and take men out to dinner that you barely know?

I dont wear 'dapper clothes' or cologne. I dont chew gum or buy wine to freshen my breathe. Actually due to spending the last 18 months on the road I routinely go days without showering or shaving.

(03-10-2011 10:18 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Here's an example: You go to a bar, you meet some dude that is really funny so you decide it would be good to be friends with this guy. Perhaps even, he is a fellow swooper.
Would you invite him out to dinner and foot the bill?
I bet not.

No but I don't do that for women either. As I already posted here in another thread. I had a Filipina the other week text me and offer to come over to my room (we met in a club the previous night) and at first she asked for cash. I said no. She agreed to come anyway - no cash - but said would I buy her a pizza. I said no.

A pizza there costs $3.

I did not say no because I am cheap - I am not.

I did not say no because I dont have the money to buy chicks food and drinks - I do.

I said no because it was clear that she was making the lay contingent on me buying her food. Ergo she was saying that in order to exchange pussy for cock she needed extra payment on top.

You see it is not always about the money.

To say yes would mean to agree that her pussy was worth more than my cock and I should make extra payment to compensate for the fact.

I told her - honey I know you think that your pussy is worth more than my cock by I have some news for you - It ain't. Never heard from her again and I did not give a fuck because shit either happens on my terms or it don't happen at all.

Same city 2 days later another chick tried to pull the same ploy. I told her the same exact same thing by text. When I did, she dropped her 'my pussy is worth more than your cock' frame and came over to my hotel and fucked me anyway. She arrived at the hotel with her sister. I made her sister wait for her in the lobby downstairs while I took her upstairs and fucked her.

Now that, my friend is alpha.

(03-10-2011 10:18 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Because you can give ANY man in this world money but not every man can acquire the allure that wets a punani properly.

And so become the second type of man and not the first type.

[Lumiere]

(03-10-2011 11:25 AM)Moma Wrote:  

If you want to feel like Charlie Sheen go to Cuba, spend 100 bucks and you can get 3 women plus some pork, beans and rice with gravy.

In Cuba that should only cost $62. $20 for each chick and $2 for the meal.

(03-10-2011 11:25 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Then you can wear the alpha brand tambien.

No, then you can wear the sex tourist brand tambien just like the pauncy, badly dressed balding guy with the grey hair.

When it comes down it you need to decide which club you want to belong to.

Do you want to be the guy thats fuckable just because you make their pussy wet or the guy that they want to fuck because they want some kind of payment out of it.

Be it holidays, free cocaine, a boost to their public profile or modeling career, straight cash payment etc.

It's all the same. Only the price and the method of payment differs.

Just decide which club you want to belong to.

[Lumiere]

(03-10-2011 11:18 AM)Pepini Wrote:  

Bill Gates doesn´t have two babes waiting for him at home.

You think if he laid on free cocaine, holidays and cash that he could not have a harem?

Please.

(03-10-2011 11:18 AM)Pepini Wrote:  

Tourettes don´t say what they think. They have a clinical disease. Charlie Sheen don´t.

Yeah he does.

(03-10-2011 11:18 AM)Pepini Wrote:  

Has for Denise Richards, she is hot. I can say that probably 80 to 90 % of guys I know think she´s hot.

Any chick that volutarily sucks Charlie's noodle loses all sex appeal in my book.

[hydrogonian]

(03-10-2011 10:58 AM)Moma Wrote:  

I am talking about on a regular basis. Not saying it's not possible, I've had gifts myself and women covering flights and what not..but I'm talking about doing this on a week in, week out basis with top notch women. It's very difficult and in this materialistic society we live in, highly improbable.

heh...okay. Read and interpret it how you like. I'm not going to argue, much.

Although, I never said that it wasn't a regular occurrence when in that type of relationship. I implied that a lot of it was considerably more than a "flight", and it has been. I did say that it was with top notch women. If you think that something is improbable, than it is. Materialism is what makes it possible. Wealth, on occasion, has helped as well. But I've had that treatment from poor girls also, over long periods of time (8 months to 1 year) just not on the same scale due to their finances. But the will was there.

I'm not the biggest player on the board. I'm also modest. But, in general with women, I do some things well that facilitate such relationships in-particular. It is possible. You just have to provide the motivation for her to want to lubricate the relationship with money. Again, good companionship, being interesting and laying the pipe. All intangible's that are hard to describe further. All equally important.

That being said, although I know I can often get some poor/middle class girls to spend considerably more on me than I ever will on them over the long term, I try not to do that anymore. In reality, that exchange is based on something that she perceives she might receive from me in the future, which she never will. Its not that I will lead her on to believe such a thing intentionally, but I think that sometimes fun is confused with compatibility, which is confused with unspoken commitment. When running pimp game with poorer girls, over long periods, it often ends with her being overly bitter and resentful.

I'll occasionally take down a wealthy cougar / regular cougar (35+ yrs old) if she has enough sex appeal to me, and let her finance me for a while if that's what she wants to do, but that's because money frequently means very little, or much less, to them in comparison to what she perceives that she's getting from me. Women like this are usually much more focused on the sex and companionship than future commitment, hence less bitterness and tears. From that perspective, it's a very even exchange and I don't feel bad about it.

[Pepini]

(03-10-2011 12:16 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

(03-10-2011 11:18 AM)Pepini Wrote:  

Bill Gates doesn´t have two babes waiting for him at home.

You think if he laid on free cocaine, holidays and cash that he could not have a harem?

Please.

Do yourself a favour, stop with the "if´s" and stick to the facts.
Fact: Bill Gates doesn´t have free cocaine, holidays and cash.
Fact: Sheen does.

(03-10-2011 11:18 AM)Pepini Wrote:  

Tourettes don´t say what they think. They have a clinical disease. Charlie Sheen don´t.

Yeah he does.

Which one?

(03-10-2011 11:18 AM)Pepini Wrote:  

Has for Denise Richards, she is hot. I can say that probably 80 to 90 % of guys I know think she´s hot.

Any chick that volutarily sucks Charlie's noodle loses all sex appeal in my book.

This is crap.

[Lumiere]

(03-10-2011 06:52 PM)Pepini Wrote:  

Do yourself a favour, stop with the "if´s" and stick to the facts.
Fact: Bill Gates doesn´t have free cocaine, holidays and cash.
Fact: Sheen does.

Bill Gates does not have free cash? You mean apart from the billions of $$ he gives away to good causes via his foundation?

Right ... that does not count because the end result of Bill doing that was not a couple of 24 year old blonde airheads sitting on his lap claiming that he was the 'coolest guy ever'.

Right. Got it.

(03-10-2011 11:18 AM)Pepini Wrote:  

Which one?

You mean apart from Narcissistic personality disorder?

Hmm, where to start? The anxiety attacks, the nervous ticks, the substance addictions, the inability to have a girlfriend without accidentally shooting her in the arm or a wife without holding her at knifepoint.

[Craig88]

Sheen is a pimp. No 2 ways about it. Any women in hollywood is an immediate 10 due to her incredibly high status. An average looking, yet famous, hollywood actress could blow super models out fairly easily just based on her status and wealth.

Most of the biggest pimps in the world pay for hookers, drugs etc.

Look at Jordan Belfort back in his glory days. This guy was making more in a week than most of us will ever have in a few life times. He was good looking, had a seriously hot wife, had more confidence than anyone on this forum, yet he was having coke fueled sex parties in his office, strip clubs, yacht etc with hookers.

Jordan and Sheen are pretty similiar in their rock star lifestyles. They've both banged more 10's than most people alive.

[Lumiere]

Craig I think you need to look up the word 'pimp' in the dictionary.

[Moma]

(03-10-2011 12:04 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

(03-10-2011 11:25 AM)Moma Wrote:  

If you want to feel like Charlie Sheen go to Cuba, spend 100 bucks and you can get 3 women plus some pork, beans and rice with gravy.

In Cuba that should only cost $62. $20 for each chick and $2 for the meal.

(03-10-2011 11:25 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Then you can wear the alpha brand tambien.

No, then you can wear the sex tourist brand just like the pauncy, badly dressed balding guy with the grey hair.

I think we both agree on the same things. It's apparent from this forum that alpha has a different definition for different people. I've never been to cuba before, I was guessing it costs 30 for a female and 10 for the meal. 2 dollars is a good deal.

Let's rule out Charlie Sheen. The man is wash. He forgot his roots.

[craigmachine]

he is alpha in two very obvious ways---- First: he gets two chicks to live with him and do what he wants.(thats the dream, assuming he doesnt beat them). Also he doesnt give a fuck about anything--aaaannnyyttthhiiinnnnnggggg.

people here make it too complicated.

roosh suprised me by saying fame, money and girls make you alpha

i may be naive but i thought being an alpha had to do with being confident, assertive, respectable, never worrying about what other people think of you, traveling the world and banging chicks without flaunting materialistic success...?

[Duke Castile]

(03-11-2011 09:42 PM)craigmachine Wrote:  

he is alpha in two very obvious ways---- First: he gets two chicks to live with him and do what he wants.(thats the dream, assuming he doesnt beat them). Also he doesnt give a fuck about anything--aaaannnyyttthhiiinnnnnggggg.

people here make it too complicated.

roosh suprised me by saying fame, money and girls make you alpha

i may be naive but i thought being an alpha had to do with being confident, assertive, respectable, never worrying about what other people think of you, traveling the world and banging chicks without flaunting materialistic success...?

He does give a fuck, otherwise he wouldn't be telling anyone that will listen how great he is.

[Kona]

(03-10-2011 12:00 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

Now that, my friend is alpha.

I'm assuming the situation with the sister took place in the PI? If not then what I'm about to type is completely wrong.

Here's the secret to "game" in Republika ng Pilipinas: 1 Dollar = 150 pesos.

The gay ass disputes on this forum about what is "alpha" bore the shit out of me. This is the first one I've ever commented on. The scenario you just described with the pizza girl and then one with the sister waiting downstairs are both so far from "alpha" it makes me laugh.

Lumiere, you post on this forum like you are some kind of Philippines expert. Unfortunately, your understanding of Filipino culture is so far out of whack that I think you should just stop. After reading some of your other posts, don't comment at all on anything relating to Asian culture, whatsoever. If somebody needs some driving directions or something basic, maybe then you can chime in, but keep it quiet about everything else because you have no idea what you're talking about.

As a matter of fact, if the situations you described above with the Filipinas lead you to type "Now that, my friend is alpha", stay out of the alpha vs. beta threads as well. Just read and learn.

(03-10-2011 12:00 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

It's all the same. Only the price and the method of payment differs.

So you, my friend, are "alpha" because you do what Charlie Sheen does for pennies on the dollar? Your doing the exact same thing. What's unfortunate is that you seem to think the girl who initially wanted cash, but was willing to settle for a pizza is some kind of deep philosophical stuff. It isn't. You told a prostitute you weren't going to pay her. It's as simple as that.

In PI every single time a white guy hooks up with a local girl that girl is thinking she's going to get something material out of it. That's the way it is. If you took the time (and had the respect) to learn the language, you would have heard the girl and her sister plotting out how they're going to squeeze $10 out of you one way or another. Sucking your filthy noodle takes 3 minutes. If a girl in a backwards ass place like Davao can potentially make 500 pesos or get something of similar value in three minutes, they go for it. Lumiere, you've been in the Philippines as much as you claim and you don't realize this?????????????

Here's something deep and philosophical: A pizza in the PI doesn't cost $3... IT COSTS 150 PESOS!!!! You haven't gotten laid once in the PI for damn sure because of your "solid frame" or "game", its because you are white.

Lumiere, you are so far from "alpha" and if you think you are you need your head checked. You fly around and disrespect people because you can't get your dick sucked the normal way. The white people "I'm here, cater to me" attitude is a bunch of pussy bullshit. It's the same haole faggot bullshit you pulled on me when you were in Hawaii.

I didn't cater to your white ass when you were here, because you showed me no respect whatsoever. Then I read your little report that Hawaii sucks? Yet the PI is amazing?? Why is that? Because they tolerate your disrespect just to catch your crumbs. I have a feeling you know that, and that my friend makes you in no way alpha, but just another white pussy that thinks they're getting over on the poor brown people. In actuality it's you that's getting fucked. You think that girl gave a damn about your high value dick? She suffered through it in the hope she could grab a hotel shampoo or some cab money. Get your head out of your ass.

And don't call or text strangers like you did me at 2:30 in the damn morning. I sleep with women (real women), and they get suspicious when the phone rings at those hours. PLUS IT WAKES ME UP!!! But that's right, you're the white person here on they're vacation that we should all be thankful has graced us with their presence, so we better cater to him!

I got the call from your buddy the "Lifestyle coach" which I understand is on your resume as well. You're lucky as fuck that guy called me after you were gone cuz or I would have beat your faggot white ass for giving someone like that my phone number. Fuck You.

WHY THE FUCK WOULD I HIRE A LIFESTYLE COACH WHO"S FRIEND BEGS TO SLEEP ON MY COUCH??? WHY DOESN'T HE COACH YOU? THEN TO THINK YOU THINK I WOULD EVER NEED THAT! FUCK YOU! YOU MOTHERFUCKERS ARE THE ONES THAT NEED LEARN!

I could go on, but it's clear your behavior and what you write on this forum fit the profile of the disrespectful, white, sex traveling pussy.

Show a little respect, and you'll get a little in return. In the meanwhile FUCK YOU!


Finally, before the lifestyle coach called me, I stood right behind your ass at Kelly Oneils when you turned the beer down from the red head German guy while you flipped a coaster with the back of your hand. You were dressed and smelled like a gayer Crocodile Dundee with your faggot hat. That redhead is a boss in Waikiki. He moves more shit in a day then you'll ever make in your faggot life and you didn't realize at all how much you disrespected him. After you told him his smoke bothered you, he gave me the eyes asking if it was time to take the British bitch around to the alley.

I shook my head no. Nobody needed your stank on themselves, and it's understood you're just another haole on vacation.

That was before the lifestyle coach called me.


ALOHA!

[kerouac]

(03-12-2011 06:52 PM)Kona Wrote:  

ALOHA!

Kona, that was an epic post. I was loling ALL THE WAY.

Luimere, get your head out of your ass! You're a fuckin' loser.

[hydrogonian]

damn Kona, respect, and I understand the frustration, but is all of the racism necessary? Beef aside...

[gringoed]

This is pretty unexpected coming from a chill dude like Kona.

Although, it is quite obvious that Kona needs a "lifestyle coach" about as much as Charlie Sheen needs canned openers.

[Duke Castile]

(03-12-2011 07:34 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

damn Kona, respect, and I understand the frustration, but is all of the racism necessary? Beef aside...

Kona isn't racist, he may not like certain tendencies that some white people have, but he's not "anti white". He doesn't like Lumerie and white men that act entitled.

I'm sure he can't stand any color that acts entitled equally.

Kona has been nothing but a straight shooter and cool to everyone offering advice and even his hospitality. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

If I'm wrong his brown ass can exit the door (metaphorically speaking). ; )

[Aliblahba]

(03-12-2011 08:07 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

This is pretty unexpected coming from a chill dude like Kona.

Although, it is quite obvious that Kona needs a "lifestyle coach" about as much as Charlie Sheen needs canned openers.

What the fuck is a lifestyle coach? Please don't tell me what I think it might be.

[hydrogonian]

(03-12-2011 09:26 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Kona isn't racist, he may not like certain tendencies that some white people have, but he's not "anti white". He doesn't like Lumerie and white men that act entitled.

I'm sure he can't stand any color that acts entitled equally.

Kona has been nothing but a straight shooter and cool to everyone offering advice and even his hospitality. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

If I'm wrong his brown ass can exit the door (metaphorically speaking). ; )

I appreciate the attempt at mediation, but I wasn't going to suggest that anyone be shown the door.

Also, I wasn't going to throw the 'racist' label around, although there were some clearly racist sentiments in that post. It shouldn't be put in my mouth that I called Kona a racist. I'm sure that most of us have our frustrated moments.

I just wanted to suggest that the sentiments that were made weren't necessary or fair to the other white guys here. Also, there seems to be a clear double standard with race oriented comments. For instance, if I had trouble with a black or brown man from the forum, I think that it would go less unnoticed if I peppered a frustrated response with "that's the problem with black/brown people" type sentiments and the racial slurs that are attached to those races. If, in anger, I used the word "n" word or any of the numerous racial slurs for the various races of 'brown' people at any given point in time, would it be rational for me to expect any men of those races to interact with me as if I hadn't referred to them as such in the past?

I respect Kona, and he seems like a cool, nice level headed guy. However, I'm white and so are some others here. I haven't earned the disrespect and most of them haven't either.

Hypothetically, if Kona doesn't like white people, then I understand. We are the sum of our experiences, and those experiences can't be predicted or controlled. I think, to an extent, racism can become a survival mechanism based on past bad experiences (Although, A lot of it can be taught as well - or comes from insecurity in some specific instances - I know racists who have zero personal basis for it). Whatever the source, its the rare person who wants to interact with someone who secretly despises them based on race. Whether that general 'racist' animosity is justified or not is irrelevant to that person. It's just basic self respect and esteem that keeps a person from wanting to interact with someone that harbors an underlying resentment of them. Its easy to forget about race on the forum, which is nice. Kona can forget that he's interacting with a bunch of white guys. Therefore, we don't catch any possible underlying racism that we might in person.

Again, I have no idea what his true feelings about white people are. Perhaps this was truly isolated hostility (not ongoing racist hostility), sub-optimally expressed, brought out by one visit by a bad guest. If so, based on my past forum interactions with Lumiere, I completely understand. I'm leaving it up to Kona to clarify. I will take him on his word, whatever it is. However, if he doesn't like white people than he doesn't. That's fine. We are products of our experiences, for the most part. I don't think he should be shown the door, whatever that entails. But that does, and should, change how white guys interact with him if they have any respect for themselves.

Again, Kona, I personally like you. The white bashing is just hard to swallow.

As I said, we all likely have our moments. If you think that racial co-mingling in Hawaii is difficult, try living in a crowded miserable east coast city, rife with suffocating expanses of ghetto wasteland, where the ratio is something like 40:40:10:10. Most of us refrain from having such racially oriented outbursts in a social environment, or at all, and we don't have paradise to sooth us in the times in-between the occasional frustrations. The reward is that we are able to keep friends of different races who fall outside of any learned generalizations, even if those generalizations are accurate some/much of the time.

[Duke Castile]

Hydro,

I was making a joke about the door. That said, I don't take offense to his comments and I'm a white man. I'm an individual, and the day he says that to me then we have beef. But that guy has been cool to me and that's why I wrote what I did.

I'm tired of this tribalism. We're individuals and all this home team shit is beyond worn out. I do understand where you're coming from and I didn't mean to infer that you were calling Kona a racist. That was not my intent.

Personally, I lump most people into two categories. "Standup" individuals, or punks. The racist names are just another word for "Punk" based on that persons skin color.

That said, Lumeire has always been cool to me as well and if that's how he acted, then I'm surprised.