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06-14-2014, 12:08 PM
Looking at the tags, not sure if this one is real or a troll:
https://twitter.com/PhoebeKwon/status/47...2492431362
"Instead of Fathers Day we need Castration Day #EndFathersDay"
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06-14-2014, 12:26 PM
I was reading the troll feminists and switched over to digg.com and saw some of the real ones... and I can't tell the difference anymore.
Poe's law.
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06-14-2014, 03:31 PM
Quote: (06-14-2014 11:28 AM)runsonmagic Wrote:
I wanna do a post mortem on how they pulled this off.
If 4chan wasn't public, no one would ever know this was them.
It seems like the key to this was a series of established troll accounts working together.
Anyone wanna do a data sheet breakdown on this?
Its probably hundreds of thousands of people working together. 4chan would have to be the easiest way. You would have to participate in someone elses raids, cause odds are they wont in yours.
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06-14-2014, 04:48 PM
^^^Thousands? Is it that many?
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06-14-2014, 05:00 PM
Quote: (06-14-2014 04:48 PM)runsonmagic Wrote:
^^^Thousands? Is it that many?
Well it is nearly the 1000th most visited site according to alexa... (1038th)
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/4chan.org
But I guess half of them dont necessarily go on /b/ and most of the /b/tards(their name for themselves) dont participate in any given raid. I dont think any of them are geniuses, the smart ones probably are similar intelligence to us on RVF, its just their sheer number that makes raids successful.
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06-14-2014, 06:53 PM
Quote: (06-14-2014 02:34 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:
The grand prize article has to go to the National Review. It's by "intern" Molly Wharton who reports this in her headline:
"#EndFathersDay Tweets Seek to Stop Misogynistic Celebration
A moderately popular holiday honors rape, child abuse, patriarchy, and more."
National Review is a conservative publication, but I don't think this writer is in on the joke. She is matter-of-factly reporting this stuff. She posts those hilarious "NayNayCan'tStop" Tweets as if they're for real.
I'd post the copy, but the article and Tweets she singled out have to be read to be believed:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/38...ly-wharton
One of the tweets: "Because masculinity is nothing to be celebrated."
No wonder men are so fucked. By the way, this NayNayThompson woman seems fucking crazy.
If you're not fucking her, someone else is.
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06-14-2014, 08:07 PM
Quote: (06-14-2014 07:37 PM)Biologist Wrote:
...and on the other hand her 'gina is tingling at the prospect of being dominated by a strong, masculine man.
That's why stuff like 50 Shades of Grey and rape fantasies are so powerful. They don't want to be raped. They want to be dominated by a masculine man who's unapologetic about what he wants. Hell, it's why direct game works. Of course, in order to be direct, you have to carry yourself well. You have to have good tonality. It also helps if you're decent looking.
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06-14-2014, 08:48 PM
I think they want to feel that if you decided to, you could easily control them.
It's funny that girls complain about being used as sex objects, but they use alpha guys as roller coaster rides all the time.
The difference is that we don't bitch about this impersonal thing.. At least some of us here don't haha
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06-15-2014, 06:28 AM
Nay Nay Thompson is an excellent troll.
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06-15-2014, 11:36 AM
Maybe satire is more effective than coming up with honest forward stating arguments. Make them blow themselves apart from within by inciting the more radical elements of the group.
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06-15-2014, 10:55 PM
Quote: (06-15-2014 11:36 AM)frenchie Wrote:
Maybe satire is more effective than coming up with honest forward stating arguments. Make them blow themselves apart from within by inciting the more radical elements of the group.
Satire is a weapon against which they have no defense but to soften their rhetoric.
Will they ever do that?
Nope.
They'll double down and make satire more effective.
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06-15-2014, 11:31 PM
They are turning fathers day in single mothers day from what I am noticing. I have seen half as many shout outs to single moms as shout outs to fathers.
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06-15-2014, 11:41 PM
Quote: (06-15-2014 10:55 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:
Quote: (06-15-2014 11:36 AM)frenchie Wrote:
Maybe satire is more effective than coming up with honest forward stating arguments. Make them blow themselves apart from within by inciting the more radical elements of the group.
Satire is a weapon against which they have no defense but to soften their rhetoric.
Will they ever do that?
Nope.
They'll double down and make satire more effective.
Wald
The bad thing about satire is if people believe your satire is true, it would almost always be far worse than if people only just believed what your satirizing(because your satire is a worse/more extreme version). As the saying goes, "no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the american people", so you will have to be careful.
I prefer the safe option of calling out shitty arguments and saying what is logically better, despite that it might seem very obvious. Its only in private that I might enjoy sneaky obscure parodies with only those in the know, so we can all feel happy in our cleverness and enlightenment. But even then Im not a big fan of satire as it relies on stupidity/evilness both of which I dislike thinking about.
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06-15-2014, 11:55 PM
Quote: (06-14-2014 03:39 AM)Sp5 Wrote:
The trick is to create something credible within their frame but ridiculous to the reasonable person.
Quote: (06-15-2014 11:36 AM)frenchie Wrote:
Maybe satire is more effective than coming up with honest forward stating arguments. Make them blow themselves apart from within by inciting the more radical elements of the group.
Quote: (06-15-2014 10:55 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:
Satire is a weapon against which they have no defense but to soften their rhetoric.
That's
exactly what I've been trying to argue
in this thread.
Quote: (06-14-2014 07:20 AM)soup Wrote:
Here's the hippocracy- the left says they are all about celebrating the fact that everyone is different, yet the greatest difference of all, gender, is considered to be an abomination.
You make some great points.
I'd like to add a few thoughts on why they need to eliminate gender:
- To discredit the science which shows they're physically and intellectually inferior to men.
- To fully embrace intersectionalism in the hopes of dispelling their whiny, privileged, white women image. I doubt most of them really care about people of color or trannies, but they need to appear as if they do to further their agenda.
- Gender roles are patriarchal (obviously).
Quote: (06-14-2014 07:37 PM)Biologist Wrote:
And ironically, masculinity is what attracts women to men.
Most women these days are in a really conflicting situation when they see a very masculine man - on one hand, her brain is telling her that his masculinity is oppressive, patriarchal and wrong, and on the other hand her 'gina is tingling at the prospect of being dominated by a strong, masculine man.
Hahaha! This may be why it's so easy for something to make them feel "uncomfortable." Their discomfort is just them getting turned on by something they don't want turning them on. They're fighting a war against their own biology.
Quote: (06-15-2014 11:41 PM)cooledcannon Wrote:
I prefer the safe option of calling out shitty arguments and saying what is logically better, despite that it might seem very obvious.
But satire is funnier, and has wider appeal because it's funny.
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06-16-2014, 02:10 AM
Quote: (06-16-2014 12:03 AM)Feisbook Control Wrote:
Quote: (06-15-2014 11:41 PM)cooledcannon Wrote:
The bad thing about satire is if people believe your satire is true, it would almost always be far worse than if people only just believed what your satirizing(because your satire is a worse/more extreme version). As the saying goes, "no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the american people", so you will have to be careful.
I prefer the safe option of calling out shitty arguments and saying what is logically better, despite that it might seem very obvious. Its only in private that I might enjoy sneaky obscure parodies with only those in the know, so we can all feel happy in our cleverness and enlightenment. But even then Im not a big fan of satire as it relies on stupidity/evilness both of which I dislike thinking about.
This is more of the same losing strategy though. The "right" has been taking this approach in the Culture Wars for the past fifty years. It's an approach that assumes 1) everyone is logical/rational, 2) everyone else argues in good faith. If either of those two conditions does not hold, then you're setting yourself up for failure. It seems analogous in someways to rational market theory. The guy who plays by the rules when everyone else ignores them is not noble, he's just a sucker.
What's Einstein's famous quote about repeating the same thing and expecting a different outcome? Time for a reassessment of strategy. I say either exit/starve the beast or start fighting fire with fire. Maybe both.
What is it about people like Andrew Breitbart or the general right wing media that annoys liberals? Is it that they are correct? I don't think so (because they put spin on things, too). Their criticisms are always of an emotional kind: the right spins the truth, the right appeals to emotionalism or ignorance, etc. Those are all standard operating procedures for the left. I think what really annoys the left is that people like Andrew Breitbart cottoned onto this and began playing the same games as liberals. Liberals think that's not fair, that the right should just pony up with the same losing strategy again and again.
Its not about "playing dirty" or "being noble" or w/e. Basically, you cannot trust people to know you are joking. You also cannot underestimate how merely exposing people to ideas(even as a joke) makes them more susceptible to them, because it affects their subconscious. You have to make them think positive(redpill) and not think negative(extreme feminism), or it can backfire hugely.
>This is more of the same losing strategy though. The "right" has been taking this approach in the Culture Wars for the past fifty years.
Thats because the vast majority of the "right"(like most people) are almost completely retarded. They wouldnt even know what was moral and why feminism is bad etc let alone be able to fight for it. Its a losing battle so you can only salvage the misinformed/ignorant, not the retarded. Well you can, you just have to kill the evil people promoting this(as part of the new world order/illuminati) and brainwashing everyone... but that will be too difficult.
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06-16-2014, 07:02 AM
I love the satire.
On a more serious note, has anyone read about #BanFlushing?
It's a campaign that says making girls flush the toilet is a form of oppression because they need to grow up thinking their shit doesn't stink. Unlike a lot of feminist drivel, I agree with this one -- and I hope you all do as well.
If I was rearing a daughter, I'd want her to stand proud after she takes a crap in the toilet and not have to hang her head in shame and (gasp!) flush away the unique creation that came out of her body. Shaming girls for bowel movements is the first step to force them into lives of constipation, enemas, diarrhea, Ex-Lax, etc. Lots of feminist writers have compared the patriarchy to a gigantic sewage system and women should not voluntarily have to be part of that.
Perhaps the RVF can get behind this one. It's definitely not a load of crap.