[Roosh]

Maybe you shouldn't take everything you read so personally, especially with taking it to the extreme of applying to your own family.

If you are sensitive to my writing then I question why you read my blog or even the forum. Are you holding out for the "American Girls Are Wonderful Snowflakes" posts? There are many other sites that put pussy on the pedestal.

[jfree]

(02-16-2011 04:08 PM)IshGibbor Wrote:  

I am not one to convince anyone of my point of view. I understand your opinions come from your experiences in life and that has formed your paradigm on how you navigate the world. Feel free to dismiss whatever I write but I would like an explanation as to why female subjugation is necessary for the progress of humanity. That statement you made in the post almost made me spit out my coffee.


Ish

It's not. It is the opposite.

While, I don't like the "stereotypical" American woman mainly because of their fractured mindset... their mental discontinuity of being part puritan, part slut, and on average chubby which leads to some crazy reasoning and behavior. I'd say, just ignore the haters of smart girls and women who have their own lives.

In fact, I'd even say that I hope to see the day when they become truly "liberated", and we will liberally enjoy sex with less restrictions and hangups (ie. female lotharios - our true complement).

[Kish]

(02-16-2011 03:13 AM)subutai Wrote:  





Going to a club and being surrounded by 5-6 women for every male? Well, that's what a club should be like right?

I went to 8 bars last Saturday night and each one of them were complete and utter sausage parties. It's so frustrating.

[Tuthmosis]

I have some thoughts on this matter.

Roosh's posts on American women are some of his best. I group them up there with some of his stuff on the corporate grind and general life-philosophy stuff as some of his more astute, well-written shit. At the risk of sounding like I'm licking the dude's balls, some of those have influenced me as a player and as a person. Even though I still enjoy the other posts, I don't really need to know how correct my bad breath.

Having said that, my sense is that Roosh's perspective on American women is heavily skewed by having lived in an especially miserable, women-arrid, shit-hole-of-a-place that is the Greater DC area. I don't think he, or any of those DC blogger guys, would disagree with this. While his general observation are true for most of the country (particularly in the urban centers), those trends are more pronounced (or at least less diluted) in shitty places.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not defending American women. In fact, add me to the list of regular, vehement detractors. But, as a guy that enjoys traveling, but doesn't intend to relocate (except maybe to Canada) in the near future, I've become reasonably adept at domestic cherry picking.

And, having gotten pretty good at finding the remaining girl-oases left in the US, let me tell you one thing: none of them are anywhere near DC.

[rudebwoy]

Subatai you have been spoiled my friend. Women in Europe are a different breed to the self indulged women in North America.
I so love the remark you made about girls know they have to compete for men and look there best at all times.

[jfree]

(02-16-2011 01:13 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

The only acceptable duty for the female human is to take care of the cock and the casa. Anything else is superfluous and detrimental to the process of life.

(02-16-2011 04:08 PM)IshGibbor Wrote:  

I have a hard time believing the only thing she is good for is cooking and fucking her boyfriend/husband just because she is a female.

Hey, the way tech, synthetic biology, and automation are progressing, I predict in 25 years, you can have an idealized simulacra female who will satisfy just the needs to you want.

http://www.realdoll.com/

And, if you pay a little extra, you can even get an interface to dial in just right amount of unpredictability to keep it fresh.

Just watch out for "Mixx : hacker version" out to add to his list of conquests if you want exclusivity, though... cause he's got the girl code cracked and that probably won't change.

[Roosh]

Also "taking care of the house" covers a lot of ground. In older times that meant agriculture and trades like sewing and such that weren't trivial skills to master. The modern woman has lost even rudimentary ability to take care of herself.

Today if you ask a woman what her accomplishments are it will be getting a promotion at her office job, sending 5,000 text messages a month, and walking a marathon. I swear I get more interested in a girl when I see her home is spotless (from cleaning) or she can cook a decent meal. Why would a girl playing kickball interest me?

[DanDeLaCruz]

Guys, it all comes down to environmental factors that are out of your control. Anything that is external to you (male-female ratios) is out of your control, and the truth is, when it comes to dating environments, and the male-famale dynamic, your working with a handicap in most places in the USA. The aspect of game and personal developement is all great and it does help, but it's only 50% of the equation, and in some cases, I would argue a lot less. The other part of the equation involves the dating environment locally, and big macro factors, that inevitabily trickle down into micro factors.

I'll just name a few factors that influence most dating environments in the USA and that are far different in other places. Keep in mind there are many factors, and most of them are not in your favor in the USA:

1. Feminism - Feminism was born in the USA and it's far overshot it's original intension of giving females equal rights. You all know the deal here, I don't have to go any further into this one.

2. Obesity - The USA is the fatest country in the world per capita. And the problem is that many of those places like Alabama, Arkansas, etc. Those small town places have the highest obesity rates. I'm sure you'll be able to find some sweat girls like Mixx says, but there is no comparison to small towns, or big cities in other places like Eastern Europe and Latin America.

3. Ratios - I've never heard anyone talk about this except me, but the main reason the ratios are so off in countries like the USA is because of the economy. Do you guys know how many millions and millions of men have immigrated to the USA over the past 30 - 50 years. The ratio of male to female migration is insane. Truth is that when it comes to migration the first ones to take the plunge are the men, the women stay home to take care of the families, which is why if you step into any immigrant community in the USA, italian, irish (ever watched gangs of new york?), polish, latin american, jamaican, etc the ratios are horrible. It's even worse if you live in highly industrialized ares where there is a bigger demand for male labor, like places with a lot of factories, big ports, construction, etc. Did you guys see pictures of those immigrants that got killed in mexico while they were trying to cross the boarder? The ratio was like 30 guys and a couple of women, that's just how it is and has been in the USA for decades. It's just a fact of life, the bees go where the honey is, and that's the same reason countries like Germany and England, and even Spain have ratio problems (maybe not as much as the USA) it's because their men don't leave because of the good economy and more men come because of the good economy. BTW most of the men who immigrate are young single guys, and even if they aren't single, you think they don't want to chase pussy while they're here?

I'll just throw in an extra environmental factor for you and this one applies to Latin America.

4. Height - I'll use Roosh as an example. I'm not sure how tall Roosh is, but he's probably 6' tall. Well while traveling through europe, especially in those northern european countries Roosh won't have a height advantage, in fact he might feel a bit short compared to what he feels in the USA because the average height in these countries is very high. But in Latin America the average height is a lot less. In some countries like ecuador, if you're 6' tall, your like a giant. We all know that height is a BIG BIG factor in your attraction to women. So this is just another environmental factor.

All these things and many many more that I haven't mentioned for the sake of not writing a book on this thread, are out of your control, but what you can control is which environment you place yourself in. You can learn all the game you want, you're not going to get laid the way you'd like at west point or an engrineering school, on USA naval ship, or in prision. These are exagerated examples but you get my point: environment matters.

So let me finish off with this thought. Put yourself if the sweat pants and flip flops of an attractive American girl in any big city USA. First off, a lot of the other women are fat, so they can't compete with you, second the ratio of men to women is already off so another factor in your favor, but factor in that as a woman you'll be able to select from a large variety of gene pools without having to step one foot outside of your city let alone the country. Also since the supply of attractive women is so low and the demand so high, the men will have to overcompensate which means they'll work harder to stand out by either hitting the gym more, trying to earn more money, or learning game, this means the women will have an even better pool of men to pick from, and obviously this means that attractive women will also become jaded, conceited, picky, cheating, bitches, etc...

Many other women will gain weight and let themselves go, with no shortage of men to date. If there is no punishment for being obese, why would they care? It's a lot easier to just let yourself go and get fat than to have to diet and hit the gym. Back to the attractive girl, any man she dates will have to stand out of the pack by either being really rich, really good looking, have game, or have a good enough combination of these factors in order to beat out the rest of the guys competing for her attention. Pick a number and get on that line boy! make sure you jugle those things really good, and doo that little dance for her, maybe she'll pick you.

I'd rather be in a place where it's not such an uphill battle, where I'm in demand and in short supply, not the other way around.

Guys, don't get me wrong, when I'm in the USA I give it my best shot, and probably do better than 80% of the men out there, but it is what is, when it comes to women, other places are better.

[Screwston]

American girls sound horrible compared to other countries women.

[rudebwoy]

(02-17-2011 03:18 PM)DanDeLaCruz Wrote:  

Guys, it all comes down to environmental factors that are out of your control. Anything that is external to you (male-female ratios) is out of your control, and the truth is, when it comes to dating environments, and the male-famale dynamic, your working with a handicap in most places in the USA.

I'll just name a few factors that influence most dating environments in the USA and that are far different in other places. Keep in mind there are many factors, and most of them are not in your favor in the USA:

1. Feminism - Feminism was born in the USA and it's far overshot it's original intension of giving females equal rights. You all know the deal here, I don't have to go any further into this one.

2. Obesity - The USA is the fatest country in the world per capita. And the problem is that many of those places like Alabama, Arkansas, etc. Those small town places have the highest obesity rates. I'm sure you'll be able to find some sweat girls like Mixx says, but there is no comparison to small towns, or big cities in other places like Eastern Europe and Latin America.

3. Ratios - I've never heard anyone talk about this except me, but the main reason the ratios are so off in countries like the USA is because of the economy. Do you guys know how many millions and millions of men have immigrated to the USA over the past 30 - 50 years. The ratio of male to female migration is insane. Truth is that when it comes to migration the first ones to take the plunge are the men, the women stay home to take care of the families, which is why if you step into any immigrant community in the USA, italian, irish (ever watched gangs of new york?), polish, latin american, jamaican, etc the ratios are horrible. It's even worse if you live in highly industrialized ares where there is a bigger demand for male labor, like places with a lot of factories, big ports, construction, etc. Did you guys see pictures of those immigrants that got killed in mexico while they were trying to cross the boarder? The ratio was like 30 guys and a couple of women, that's just how it is and has been in the USA for decades. It's just a fact of life, the bees go where the honey is, and that's the same reason countries like Germany and England, and even Spain have ratio problems (maybe not as much as the USA) it's because their men don't leave because of the good economy and more men come because of the good economy. BTW most of the men who immigrate are young single guys, and even if they aren't single, you think they don't want to chase pussy while they're here?

I'll just throw in an extra environmental factor for you and this one applies to Latin America.

4. Height - I'll use Roosh as an example. I'm not sure how tall Roosh is, but he's probably 6' tall. Well while traveling through europe, especially in those northern european countries Roosh won't have a height advantage, in fact he might feel a bit short compared to what he feels in the USA because the average height in these countries is very high. But in Latin America the average height is a lot less. In some countries like ecuador, if you're 6' tall, your like a giant. We all know that height is a BIG BIG factor in your attraction to women. So this is just another environmental factor.

All these things and many many more that I haven't mentioned for the sake of not writing a book on this thread, are out of your control, but what you can control is which environment you place yourself in. You can learn all the game you want, you're not going to get laid the way you'd like at west point or an engrineering school, on USA naval ship, or in prision. These are exagerated examples but you get my point: environment matters.

So let me finish off with this thought. Put yourself if the sweat pants and flip flops of an attractive American girl in any big city USA. First off, a lot of the other women are fat, so they can't compete with you, second the ratio of men to women is already off so another factor in your favor, but factor in that as a woman you'll be able to select from a large variety of gene pools without having to step one foot outside of your city let alone the country. Also since the supply of attractive women is so low and the demand so high, the men will have to overcompensate which means they'll work harder to stand out by either hitting the gym more, trying to earn more money, or learning game, this means the women will have an even better pool of men to pick from, and obviously this means that attractive women will also become jaded, conceited, picky, cheating, bitches, etc...

Many other women will gain weight and let themselves go, with no shortage of men to date. If there is no punishment for being obese, why would they care? It's a lot easier to just let yourself go and get fat than to have to diet and hit the gym. Back to the attractive girl, any man she dates will have to stand out of the pack by either being really rich, really good looking, have game, or have a good enough combination of these factors in order to beat out the rest of the guys competing for her attention. Pick a number and get on that line boy! make sure you jugle those things really good, and doo that little dance for her, maybe she'll pick you.

I'd rather be in a place where it's not such an uphill battle, where I'm in demand and in short supply, not the other way around.

Guys, don't get me wrong, when I'm in the USA I give it my best shot, and probably do better than 80% of the men out there, but it is what is, when it comes to women, other places are better.

Dude you just wrote the best post ever on this forum. I do not know whether to stand and applaud or cry over the shocking truth.
Fat girls get love in North America and decent looking girls are getting harder to date.
Gym culture is big in North America, sadly though my gym is always filled with men and nearly not enough women. Some countries in Europe it is hard to even find a gym (Paris, Milan come to mind).
We are so programmed in these countries to think that there is an abundance of women, I have even had arguments with other people who talk crap about the 7 to 1 ratio of women-men. lol

[subutai]

(02-17-2011 03:18 PM)DanDeLaCruz Wrote:  

Guys, it all comes down to environmental factors that are out of your control. Anything that is external to you (male-female ratios) is out of your control, and the truth is, when it comes to dating environments, and the male-famale dynamic, your working with a handicap in most places in the USA. The aspect of game and personal developement is all great and it does help, but it's only 50% of the equation, and in some cases, I would argue a lot less. The other part of the equation involves the dating environment locally, and big macro factors, that inevitabily trickle down into micro factors.

I'll just name a few factors that influence most dating environments in the USA and that are far different in other places. Keep in mind there are many factors, and most of them are not in your favor in the USA:

1. Feminism - Feminism was born in the USA and it's far overshot it's original intension of giving females equal rights. You all know the deal here, I don't have to go any further into this one.

2. Obesity - The USA is the fatest country in the world per capita. And the problem is that many of those places like Alabama, Arkansas, etc. Those small town places have the highest obesity rates. I'm sure you'll be able to find some sweat girls like Mixx says, but there is no comparison to small towns, or big cities in other places like Eastern Europe and Latin America.

3. Ratios - I've never heard anyone talk about this except me, but the main reason the ratios are so off in countries like the USA is because of the economy. Do you guys know how many millions and millions of men have immigrated to the USA over the past 30 - 50 years. The ratio of male to female migration is insane. Truth is that when it comes to migration the first ones to take the plunge are the men, the women stay home to take care of the families, which is why if you step into any immigrant community in the USA, italian, irish (ever watched gangs of new york?), polish, latin american, jamaican, etc the ratios are horrible. It's even worse if you live in highly industrialized ares where there is a bigger demand for male labor, like places with a lot of factories, big ports, construction, etc. Did you guys see pictures of those immigrants that got killed in mexico while they were trying to cross the boarder? The ratio was like 30 guys and a couple of women, that's just how it is and has been in the USA for decades. It's just a fact of life, the bees go where the honey is, and that's the same reason countries like Germany and England, and even Spain have ratio problems (maybe not as much as the USA) it's because their men don't leave because of the good economy and more men come because of the good economy. BTW most of the men who immigrate are young single guys, and even if they aren't single, you think they don't want to chase pussy while they're here?

I'll just throw in an extra environmental factor for you and this one applies to Latin America.

4. Height - I'll use Roosh as an example. I'm not sure how tall Roosh is, but he's probably 6' tall. Well while traveling through europe, especially in those northern european countries Roosh won't have a height advantage, in fact he might feel a bit short compared to what he feels in the USA because the average height in these countries is very high. But in Latin America the average height is a lot less. In some countries like ecuador, if you're 6' tall, your like a giant. We all know that height is a BIG BIG factor in your attraction to women. So this is just another environmental factor.

All these things and many many more that I haven't mentioned for the sake of not writing a book on this thread, are out of your control, but what you can control is which environment you place yourself in. You can learn all the game you want, you're not going to get laid the way you'd like at west point or an engrineering school, on USA naval ship, or in prision. These are exagerated examples but you get my point: environment matters.

So let me finish off with this thought. Put yourself if the sweat pants and flip flops of an attractive American girl in any big city USA. First off, a lot of the other women are fat, so they can't compete with you, second the ratio of men to women is already off so another factor in your favor, but factor in that as a woman you'll be able to select from a large variety of gene pools without having to step one foot outside of your city let alone the country. Also since the supply of attractive women is so low and the demand so high, the men will have to overcompensate which means they'll work harder to stand out by either hitting the gym more, trying to earn more money, or learning game, this means the women will have an even better pool of men to pick from, and obviously this means that attractive women will also become jaded, conceited, picky, cheating, bitches, etc...

Many other women will gain weight and let themselves go, with no shortage of men to date. If there is no punishment for being obese, why would they care? It's a lot easier to just let yourself go and get fat than to have to diet and hit the gym. Back to the attractive girl, any man she dates will have to stand out of the pack by either being really rich, really good looking, have game, or have a good enough combination of these factors in order to beat out the rest of the guys competing for her attention. Pick a number and get on that line boy! make sure you jugle those things really good, and doo that little dance for her, maybe she'll pick you.

I'd rather be in a place where it's not such an uphill battle, where I'm in demand and in short supply, not the other way around.

Guys, don't get me wrong, when I'm in the USA I give it my best shot, and probably do better than 80% of the men out there, but it is what is, when it comes to women, other places are better.

Very solid take and I agree with you.

I think the only guys who WILL NOT agree with you are the ones who have to live where they live due to job, family, etc (usually job) and thus, self-justify why "it's not that bad."

Sure, even the Count of Monte Cristo made the best of a situation by eating cockroaches and doing push-ups in his prison cell, but let's get real.

Why did Facebook, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Ebay, and Youtube all start or base themselves in Silicon Valley? The environment was conducive to high-tech entrepreneurial growth.

All I'm saying is that there are other environments highly conducive to fucking hotties with minimal effort required, repeatedly, for as long as you body can maintain an erection.

That's all.

[stein]

I had the impression that American women are sluttier compared to those outside America. So even guys with minimum game find it easier to get laid here. The tighter their game, the hotter the american woman they get. Being a sexually liberated culture makes America conducive for pussy but being a culture catered towards women's fantasies, lowers the quality of that pussy. So I guess, Quantity over Quality? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Are there places which have America beat on both Quality and Quantity. Mixx's rampages through the lush jungles of Colombia come to mind. Any others?

[MiXX]

(02-17-2011 03:18 PM)DanDeLaCruz Wrote:  

Guys, don't get me wrong, when I'm in the USA I give it my best shot, and probably do better than 80% of the men out there, but it is what is, when it comes to women, other places are better.

You whole post is spot on, I nominate it the post of the day. However, what you wrote above is what I feel is most important.

I would love to live outside US in Estonia, Sweden and Baltics full time, but sadly, I make 75% of my money in America, and so, I must game in America 6 months of the year. You can never compare a small town in Latin America or EE as you said, but, It is what is. The game must be played at all costs, obstacles and foes that you face.

When I leave America, I actually have to tone down my game by 70% because it becomes too much for women.

Mixx

[Menace]

Yes, sadly some of us can't leave due to nature of job and other obligations. I wonder what it would be like to live in Singapore, for example. Anyone been there? I knew one dude who worked at a company I used to work for who was based there and he said it was amazing with respect to women.

[Moma]

(02-17-2011 07:17 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Dude you just wrote the best post ever on this forum. I do not know whether to stand and applaud or cry over the shocking truth.
Fat girls get love in North America and decent looking girls are getting harder to date.
Gym culture is big in North America, sadly though my gym is always filled with men and nearly not enough women. Some countries in Europe it is hard to even find a gym (Paris, Milan come to mind).
We are so programmed in these countries to think that there is an abundance of women, I have even had arguments with other people who talk crap about the 7 to 1 ratio of women-men. lol

Total real talk. The game in North America seems a bit different. Fat chix putting up attitude etc etc.

The knowledge of health culture in U.K was laughable yet I hardly saw a chick that was close to 240 pounds. Here in North America, I see nothing but female buses every day.

[IshGibbor]

(02-17-2011 03:18 PM)DanDeLaCruz Wrote:  

Guys, it all comes down to environmental factors that are out of your control. Anything that is external to you (male-female ratios) is out of your control, and the truth is, when it comes to dating environments, and the male-famale dynamic, your working with a handicap in most places in the USA. The aspect of game and personal developement is all great and it does help, but it's only 50% of the equation, and in some cases, I would argue a lot less. The other part of the equation involves the dating environment locally, and big macro factors, that inevitabily trickle down into micro factors.

I'll just name a few factors that influence most dating environments in the USA and that are far different in other places. Keep in mind there are many factors, and most of them are not in your favor in the USA:

1. Feminism - Feminism was born in the USA and it's far overshot it's original intension of giving females equal rights. You all know the deal here, I don't have to go any further into this one.

2. Obesity - The USA is the fatest country in the world per capita. And the problem is that many of those places like Alabama, Arkansas, etc. Those small town places have the highest obesity rates. I'm sure you'll be able to find some sweat girls like Mixx says, but there is no comparison to small towns, or big cities in other places like Eastern Europe and Latin America.

3. Ratios - I've never heard anyone talk about this except me, but the main reason the ratios are so off in countries like the USA is because of the economy. Do you guys know how many millions and millions of men have immigrated to the USA over the past 30 - 50 years. The ratio of male to female migration is insane. Truth is that when it comes to migration the first ones to take the plunge are the men, the women stay home to take care of the families, which is why if you step into any immigrant community in the USA, italian, irish (ever watched gangs of new york?), polish, latin american, jamaican, etc the ratios are horrible. It's even worse if you live in highly industrialized ares where there is a bigger demand for male labor, like places with a lot of factories, big ports, construction, etc. Did you guys see pictures of those immigrants that got killed in mexico while they were trying to cross the boarder? The ratio was like 30 guys and a couple of women, that's just how it is and has been in the USA for decades. It's just a fact of life, the bees go where the honey is, and that's the same reason countries like Germany and England, and even Spain have ratio problems (maybe not as much as the USA) it's because their men don't leave because of the good economy and more men come because of the good economy. BTW most of the men who immigrate are young single guys, and even if they aren't single, you think they don't want to chase pussy while they're here?

I'll just throw in an extra environmental factor for you and this one applies to Latin America.

4. Height - I'll use Roosh as an example. I'm not sure how tall Roosh is, but he's probably 6' tall. Well while traveling through europe, especially in those northern european countries Roosh won't have a height advantage, in fact he might feel a bit short compared to what he feels in the USA because the average height in these countries is very high. But in Latin America the average height is a lot less. In some countries like ecuador, if you're 6' tall, your like a giant. We all know that height is a BIG BIG factor in your attraction to women. So this is just another environmental factor.

All these things and many many more that I haven't mentioned for the sake of not writing a book on this thread, are out of your control, but what you can control is which environment you place yourself in. You can learn all the game you want, you're not going to get laid the way you'd like at west point or an engrineering school, on USA naval ship, or in prision. These are exagerated examples but you get my point: environment matters.

So let me finish off with this thought. Put yourself if the sweat pants and flip flops of an attractive American girl in any big city USA. First off, a lot of the other women are fat, so they can't compete with you, second the ratio of men to women is already off so another factor in your favor, but factor in that as a woman you'll be able to select from a large variety of gene pools without having to step one foot outside of your city let alone the country. Also since the supply of attractive women is so low and the demand so high, the men will have to overcompensate which means they'll work harder to stand out by either hitting the gym more, trying to earn more money, or learning game, this means the women will have an even better pool of men to pick from, and obviously this means that attractive women will also become jaded, conceited, picky, cheating, bitches, etc...

Many other women will gain weight and let themselves go, with no shortage of men to date. If there is no punishment for being obese, why would they care? It's a lot easier to just let yourself go and get fat than to have to diet and hit the gym. Back to the attractive girl, any man she dates will have to stand out of the pack by either being really rich, really good looking, have game, or have a good enough combination of these factors in order to beat out the rest of the guys competing for her attention. Pick a number and get on that line boy! make sure you jugle those things really good, and doo that little dance for her, maybe she'll pick you.

I'd rather be in a place where it's not such an uphill battle, where I'm in demand and in short supply, not the other way around.

Guys, don't get me wrong, when I'm in the USA I give it my best shot, and probably do better than 80% of the men out there, but it is what is, when it comes to women, other places are better.

Well, as a man you should love competition. Being afraid to lose is bad for your game and is just flat out unattractive. I am glad you offered a good snap shot of where things are going in America as it relates to dating;however, I think the main edge many guys can have is looks and a flat out understanding of how women work, which the vast majority of men can't really put a finger on. Knowledge is power.

Ish

[Kish]

(02-17-2011 12:39 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

by having lived in an especially miserable, women-arrid, shit-hole-of-a-place that is the Greater DC area.

And, having gotten pretty good at finding the remaining girl-oases left in the US, let me tell you one thing: none of them are anywhere near DC.

+1


[/quote]

Well, as a man you should love competition. Being afraid to lose is bad for your game and is just flat out unattractive. I
Ish
[/quote]

I love competition but I'd prefer to be competing for 9s and 10s as opposed to 6s and 7s. Most of us don't live in LA/Miami or NYC so it's discouraging.

[UrbanNerd]

I have to say that I like the greater DC area. A bunch of lonely women with money, houses a good credit with not enough men (of similar level) to go around.

[DanDeLaCruz]

(02-18-2011 01:20 PM)IshGibbor Wrote:  

Well, as a man you should love competition. Being afraid to lose is bad for your game and is just flat out unattractive.

Competition is good and it makes you sharper, but I'd argue the USA is probably one of the toughest dating environments in the world. You have to realize that most men will never reach their desired goals with women in this type of environment. I like to make the analogy to pro sports. How many guys do you know that made it a pro sports team? 1 maybe two? probably none... How many guys try? millions? The odds aren't really in your favor, and yeah some guys make it, but most guys don't... Shit, if you wanna climb up an 90% slope your entire life go ahead be my guest, but remember even though women are a large aspect of happines for men, what about other things?

When you're in such a competitive environment it forces you dedicate a lot of time and energy to beating other guys out. What's the oportunity cost of that? And what's the ROI? Another guy on this thread pointed out that he'd rather compete for 9s and 10s instead of 6s and sevens. I'm with him... Maybe, I can put in the work to consistently get 9s and 10s in the USA but will it really be worth the long term effort when I can just change my environment?

Think of it in terms of a business... When you start a business you want to make your profit as soon as possible. If you're selling IPODSs and you know one neighborhood is flooded with IPODs and you say to yourself ok, "I'm gonna here because the competition is crazy and I want to prove to myself I can do it, it will make me a better business man..." Will it? Maybe.. or is that the sign of a bad business man? or do you go to a new middle class neighborhood that doesn't have anyone selling them IPODs and they're dieing to buy them? What's the better business decision?

I've done my time in the USA, when I go to Latin America I have an edge becauase of the tough environment I've lived in. It's made me stronger and I'm thankful for that. Like some wierd darwinian enviroment where a species develops extra trait because of the compeition, and when you introduce this species into a less competitive enviroment it gobles up everything.

But there comes a point of diminishing returns. Once you learned what you need from here, you can go to other parts of the world and sit back and relax and let the women do the work while you concentrate on other things, like running a business, or buildinng a business or hobbies etc. etc. Many guys realize that, but we're tied down to USA for financial reasons (at least for now).

The problem in a place like the USA is that if you concentrate your time on a career or business you'll either have to lock in a relationship or go womenless because the competition for quality women is so stiff that it you might not have enough time and energy for both, especially if your just starting out. When you go somewhere where you don't have to dedicate so much time and energy to this stuff, you can concentrate on other things or just ejoy yourself more.

So here's my last thought on this.

I remember reading in one of Roosh's blog posts or maybe it was his book that in the time he's been in Brazil he's dated 2 of the hotest women in his entire life. So out of his top 3 girls, two of those were in Brazil... Now think about that. Roosh has spent most of his life in the USA, yet he spends a bit over 6 months in Brazil and bangs two of the hotest women on his list ever... I know what Roosh is talking about, I've seen similar returns on investment in Latin America, not just in Brazil...

[rudebwoy]

Ask yourself when was the last time you saw a genuine 9 or 10 walking in your town. Roosh actually managed to date two in six months in his time in Brazil. When you do find a decent girl in North America, then you have to worry about cockblockers, being her friends or some dude that has the hots for her.
The comment about liking competition is simply absurd, why do you want to compete for women. They should compete for you, assuming you are a decent person with nice qualities. Girls in my city don't make eye contact like they use too, they only go out to clubs to get noticed and have guys buy them drinks.
Shit when I was on a "date" in Sweden, my date would not allow me to buy her a herbal tea. Plus she was half my age and happy to be with me.
Yes we have a decent quality of life in North America but the social scene sucks and will only get worse.

[JayMillz]

Excellent dialogue, gentlemen. I pretty much concur with the general sentiment and have written off the USA for many of the reasons discussed here. No need to limit yourself, especially when you can get a better ROI somewhere else. Life is too short for avoidable BS.

[speakeasy]

It sounds like we can conclude that ROI is better in some other countries, but how many of you are willing to permanently move to another country and leave your friends and families behind? I can see taking a mini-retirement to another country to have some fun for a few months, but I just don't see myself putting down my roots in Estonia or Ukraine anytime soon.

[MiXX]

Well, I'll be 40 in 4 short years. I have focused my life on being successful at what makes me money.

I for one WILL ex-pat to Colombia. At the age of 40, I'll have college girls competing for me; as far as girls over 30 go, hell I may not even give them the time of day.

Mixx

[Luckystar]

(02-18-2011 09:26 PM)DanDeLaCruz Wrote:  

(02-18-2011 01:20 PM)IshGibbor Wrote:  

Well, as a man you should love competition. Being afraid to lose is bad for your game and is just flat out unattractive.

Competition is good and it makes you sharper, but I'd argue the USA is probably one of the toughest dating environments in the world. You have to realize that most men will never reach their desired goals with women in this type of environment. I like to make the analogy to pro sports. How many guys do you know that made it a pro sports team? 1 maybe two? probably none... How many guys try? millions? The odds aren't really in your favor, and yeah some guys make it, but most guys don't... Shit, if you wanna climb up an 90% slope your entire life go ahead be my guest, but remember even though women are a large aspect of happines for men, what about other things?

When you're in such a competitive environment it forces you dedicate a lot of time and energy to beating other guys out. What's the oportunity cost of that? And what's the ROI? Another guy on this thread pointed out that he'd rather compete for 9s and 10s instead of 6s and sevens. I'm with him... Maybe, I can put in the work to consistently get 9s and 10s in the USA but will it really be worth the long term effort when I can just change my environment?

Think of it in terms of a business... When you start a business you want to make your profit as soon as possible. If you're selling IPODSs and you know one neighborhood is flooded with IPODs and you say to yourself ok, "I'm gonna here because the competition is crazy and I want to prove to myself I can do it, it will make me a better business man..." Will it? Maybe.. or is that the sign of a bad business man? or do you go to a new middle class neighborhood that doesn't have anyone selling them IPODs and they're dieing to buy them? What's the better business decision?

I've done my time in the USA, when I go to Latin America I have an edge becauase of the tough environment I've lived in. It's made me stronger and I'm thankful for that. Like some wierd darwinian enviroment where a species develops extra trait because of the compeition, and when you introduce this species into a less competitive enviroment it gobles up everything.

But there comes a point of diminishing returns. Once you learned what you need from here, you can go to other parts of the world and sit back and relax and let the women do the work while you concentrate on other things, like running a business, or buildinng a business or hobbies etc. etc. Many guys realize that, but we're tied down to USA for financial reasons (at least for now).

The problem in a place like the USA is that if you concentrate your time on a career or business you'll either have to lock in a relationship or go womenless because the competition for quality women is so stiff that it you might not have enough time and energy for both, especially if your just starting out. When you go somewhere where you don't have to dedicate so much time and energy to this stuff, you can concentrate on other things or just ejoy yourself more.

So here's my last thought on this.

I remember reading in one of Roosh's blog posts or maybe it was his book that in the time he's been in Brazil he's dated 2 of the hotest women in his entire life. So out of his top 3 girls, two of those were in Brazil... Now think about that. Roosh has spent most of his life in the USA, yet he spends a bit over 6 months in Brazil and bangs two of the hotest women on his list ever... I know what Roosh is talking about, I've seen similar returns on investment in Latin America, not just in Brazil...

Dan, I read you posts and I think you do a good job comparing American girls to the top half. But the undermentioned side of the story is that there are FAR worse places.

Spend a year in India, Saudia Arabia, Niger....much much worse for quality and quantity. Steep challenges. Even in Latin America, there are some areas (Ecuador comes to mind), the girls are known to be monsters. In Europe, you could argue Italy and Portugal are lost causes.

I agree, American girls are nothing notable. But, there is a clear confirmation bias in your views when you neglect the bottom half. I see the U.S. as an unmentionable. Notable for nothing. Mediocre for quality and quantity. Let's keep perspective.

I d also mention, the non-career oriented lifestyle (for lack of a better term) is good for an individual, but bad for the whole. The global economy has never been so competitive. Education, innovation, and productivity has never been in so much demand. Career driven cultures typically are the most prosperous. Whether this equates to happiness is another debate.

[JayMillz]

I think one would be an underachiever if he went around patting himself on the back because there are people that are worse off than he is. The Taco Bell analogy was right on point. If you can afford to eat steak and you enjoy it, why settle for hamburger or Spam?