[theIVth]

(02-19-2011 07:21 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

It sounds like we can conclude that ROI is better in some other countries, but how many of you are willing to permanently move to another country and leave your friends and families behind? I can see taking a mini-retirement to another country to have some fun for a few months, but I just don't see myself putting down my roots in Estonia or Ukraine anytime soon.

I agree

Ive been checking out this blog for a few months now and I dont agree with this "totally isolating myself, living my life as a rolling stone, and going to the outer most 4 corners of the earth" just for some pussy.

I could see visiting everyonce in a while. But totally leaving all my friends and family to just chase pussy all over the globe is not appealing to me.

At the end of the day its just not that serious. But thats just me.

[subutai]

(02-20-2011 03:34 PM)theIVth Wrote:  

(02-19-2011 07:21 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

It sounds like we can conclude that ROI is better in some other countries, but how many of you are willing to permanently move to another country and leave your friends and families behind? I can see taking a mini-retirement to another country to have some fun for a few months, but I just don't see myself putting down my roots in Estonia or Ukraine anytime soon.

I agree

Ive been checking out this blog for a few months now and I dont agree with this "totally isolating myself, living my life as a rolling stone, and going to the outer most 4 corners of the earth" just for some pussy.

I could see visiting everyonce in a while. But totally leaving all my friends and family to just chase pussy all over the globe is not appealing to me.

At the end of the day its just not that serious. But thats just me.

It's not for the women. It's for the women and for a lifestyle that's a step above the North American way of life.

At least, that's the large appeal for me. I'd never live in Russia for example, even if I were to get laid every day of the week there.

[Luckystar]

(02-20-2011 11:56 AM)JayMillz Wrote:  

I think one would be an underachiever if he went around patting himself on the back because there are people that are worse off than he is. The Taco Bell analogy was right on point. If you can afford to eat steak and you enjoy it, why settle for hamburger or Spam?

If you can afford to eat steak, then go and do it. I d respect that. Instead, we have fairly large section of the forum time after time complaining about their American experiences. Hardly anyone even argues otherwise. The dialogue does have merit but it has become altogether very tired and very lame.

Some of us actually do have success with world class hotties in NA cities.

No back pats for you if you are crying about your failures in NA. Take solice and remember there are worse off places to be. Hopefully your lives will get better.

[Ajiaco]

How much of this is a symptom of how unsatisfying a lot of people's lives are outside of girls in North America?

If you have a shitty job, and are kind of bored in general, and then getting girls is not pleasant or working out for you very much, well, what is there to look forward to?

I get the feeling that because of who Roosh is, and the reason we all read him, we tend to focus on the "getting girls as the key to happiness" aspect of our lives in this forum, but if your life is kind of tedious in general, not getting any is just going to compound all of your frustration.

The people who are complaining about gringas in this thread: Do you find the rest of your lives in North America as unsatisfying as your interactions with women? The USA certainly has its charms, but theres a LOT of unhappy people there doing what they think they are supposed to be doing instead of what they want to do, and they don't know why they feel so empty when they studied hard and got the good job and nice place to live and it doesn't equal contentment. Then these people go out to bars not really happy with their lives, and unsurprisingly they strike out because they can't suppress the bitterness they feel inside when they are trying to spit game. Maybe I am projecting a little, but I know plenty of guys in the US with this particular problem, and the complaints about the women are usually a symptom of something bigger that they never want to explore too much, lest the fragile psychological structure of their existence come crashing down in a big heap with nothing to replace it.

I have my own issues with American girls, but I also don't think about them very often because I simply don't have to, and that has made all the difference in the world.

[rudebwoy]

Luckystar - no one is even talking about or thinking about India, Saudi Arabia or Niger (is that still a country). The post is about American women and a few members prefer to travel/spend time in other places. If you do well in America, well that is good for you. Personally, I like American women but I have never spent much time around them. I do however feel if they like you then it is easy work.
If I had a choice though then it would be European women any day, some members rave about Colombia. To each is own.

[JayMillz]

I think some good macro observations have been made in this thread. For those that want to provide pushback, I'd love to see the same kind of observations/logic/arguments etc. In favor of American women. How much of all this information is an anomaly and how much is generalizable?

[oldnemesis]

(02-18-2011 09:26 PM)DanDeLaCruz Wrote:  

I like to make the analogy to pro sports. How many guys do you know that made it a pro sports team? 1 maybe two? probably none... How many guys try? millions?

Your analogy looks flawed as soon as you consider the fact that vast majority of guys are not really trying to make it a pro sport team, they do it because it is fun for them. A lot of people who compete KNOW they'll never make a first place ever; they just do it for getting their skills evaluated in the real world environment, and to find out ways to make themselves better. Getting the first place or getting into a pro sport team is not a target goal for pretty much everyone I know.

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The problem in a place like the USA is that if you concentrate your time on a career or business you'll either have to lock in a relationship or go womenless because the competition for quality women is so stiff that it you might not have enough time and energy for both, especially if your just starting out. When you go somewhere where you don't have to dedicate so much time and energy to this stuff, you can concentrate on other things or just ejoy yourself more.

What you're saying is interesting - apparently in USA one has to concentrate on career, while in Brazil one doesn't have to? I don't see any logic here. You still have to pay the bills even in Brazil, and while your bills may be lower than in US, so will be your options to make money there. This is even more important if you look on it in a long-term perspective - like, what you gonna do in your 40s, 50s, 60s? It is much harder to start making money at that age, and if you're poor, your options are extremely limited.

[speakeasy]

(02-20-2011 08:16 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Luckystar - no one is even talking about or thinking about India, Saudi Arabia or Niger (is that still a country). The post is about American women and a few members prefer to travel/spend time in other places. If you do well in America, well that is good for you. Personally, I like American women but I have never spent much time around them. I do however feel if they like you then it is easy work.
If I had a choice though then it would be European women any day, some members rave about Colombia. To each is own.

America is a huge place and there is a lot of regional variation. In a place like Utah, the average woman is white, traditional, religious Mormon and is probably married by 23 with kids. In NYC, women can be of any race, they are probably very cosmopolitan, not that religious if at all, career-driven and very likely put off marriage and kids till the 30s. And in places like Florida, Texas and California you have a lot of Latin women who give it up but are very family-oriented that mix the Latin culture into the equation. Many of them are against abortion. Then you have black girls, many of which are known to give it up pretty easy and a huge number have kids out of wedlock by 30. Sometimes I'm not sure if can sum up America women easily because there's a lot of variation by region, culture, race lifestyle and income. White girls can be anything from SWPL eco-hipsters, to ultra-religious Tea Partiers. Who's America are we talking about?

One good thing to say about America if you live in a major city is that there's such a large variety of girls to approach. In Norway, they are going to be all one ethnicity, all going to be tall and blond, all of them will probably listen to the same music and have the same culture. In America, you can have a taste of everything. So that's one major thing that stands out to me in favor of America. Not that I'm saying here is the best or even great. I just think that's one of our major pluses.

[rudebwoy]

Dude have you been to Norway? They are not all tall and blond, in fact they have more brunettes if anything.

Black girls are easy! Where that might be, please tell me.? Would I find the same easy Latin girls in the same place. lol

[subutai]

Women are not the sole key to happiness and I wouldn't recommend going somewhere you dislike just to get laid. Going to some industrial sh*thole in Ukraine for example and "gaming" women all day long sounds like a total drag to me, not to mention possibly dangerous for your health (physical and mental).

On the other hand, I know a lot of guys out there who prefer Paris to New York; Stockholm to Seattle; Berlin to Los Angeles; Europe to North America; simply for the way of life and vibe that certain European cities offer. Count me as one of those people.

In that case, then being over here makes perfect sense, and if the women are lightyears hotter and more accessible, then it pretty seals the nail in the coffin.

Having said that, we don't live in a binary world. It's not always one city over another, one country over another. I'd much rather be wealthy and employed in NYC than unemployed in Marseilles. I'd rather be self-employed in LA than working as a waiter in a Chinese restaurant in Oslo. I mean, I won't sacrifice "lifestyle" the way I define it just for hot women -- it's just one variable in the equation.

[zanetti]

(02-20-2011 07:24 PM)Ajiaco Wrote:  

How much of this is a symptom of how unsatisfying a lot of people's lives are outside of girls in North America?

If you have a shitty job, and are kind of bored in general, and then getting girls is not pleasant or working out for you very much, well, what is there to look forward to?

I get the feeling that because of who Roosh is, and the reason we all read him, we tend to focus on the "getting girls as the key to happiness" aspect of our lives in this forum, but if your life is kind of tedious in general, not getting any is just going to compound all of your frustration.

The people who are complaining about gringas in this thread: Do you find the rest of your lives in North America as unsatisfying as your interactions with women? The USA certainly has its charms, but theres a LOT of unhappy people there doing what they think they are supposed to be doing instead of what they want to do, and they don't know why they feel so empty when they studied hard and got the good job and nice place to live and it doesn't equal contentment. Then these people go out to bars not really happy with their lives, and unsurprisingly they strike out because they can't suppress the bitterness they feel inside when they are trying to spit game. Maybe I am projecting a little, but I know plenty of guys in the US with this particular problem, and the complaints about the women are usually a symptom of something bigger that they never want to explore too much, lest the fragile psychological structure of their existence come crashing down in a big heap with nothing to replace it.

I have my own issues with American girls, but I also don't think about them very often because I simply don't have to, and that has made all the difference in the world.

completely agree! most guys i know with girl problems aren't happy with other parts of their life either - the girl thing is just one of the symptoms of an underlying problem. Moving to the second or third world isn't gonna make them happy all of a sudden

[theIVth]

"Then you have black girls, many of which are known to give it up pretty easy and a huge number have kids out of wedlock by 30"

Not here to start a race war, but why is there this myth that black girls are so much easier than white girls?

From my experience and observation, white girls are far more promiscuous than black girls.

If you go to a black club, you dont see anywhere near the amount of "making out" that you see in international/white clubs and bars. You'd be hard pressed to find a black girl that is going to let you kiss all on her after just meeting and fuck on the first night....it wouldnt be as hard to find a white girl that will let you do all that tho as evidenced by this very forum.

I dont know where they got this idea that black girls are so easy. Ive been with both and white girls are way easier to fuck then black girls.

[subutai]

I don't know whether white women or black women in the US are "easier" but I have read CDC stats that said close to 50% of black women between the ages of 14 to 49 have HERPES.

So if they're slow to put out for you, then they're definitely putting out for someone(s). That's an eye-popping stat if I ever saw one.

[theIVth]

(02-21-2011 12:27 PM)subutai Wrote:  

I don't know whether white women or black women in the US are "easier" but I have read CDC stats that said close to 50% of black women between the ages of 14 to 49 have HERPES.

So if they're slow to put out for you, then they're definitely putting out for someone(s). That's an eye-popping stat if I ever saw one.

Sir, Ive never read or seen a stat that said anything like that. However I have read stats that said that 1 in 4 Americans has Herpes, generally speaking. And Im sure that the majority of those are not black girls seeing as how black people only make up 12% of the American population and white people make up 75%.

How many black girls have you slept with in your life? If any, how easy was it for you? Ive slept with my fair share and I can personally tell you that the handful of white girls that Ive slept with were far easier.

Its ironic how black girls are stereotypically the hardest for anyone to talk to or approach....but the easiest to fuck. lol

[speakeasy]

(02-21-2011 12:46 PM)theIVth Wrote:  

(02-21-2011 12:27 PM)subutai Wrote:  

I don't know whether white women or black women in the US are "easier" but I have read CDC stats that said close to 50% of black women between the ages of 14 to 49 have HERPES.

So if they're slow to put out for you, then they're definitely putting out for someone(s). That's an eye-popping stat if I ever saw one.

Sir, Ive never read or seen a stat that said anything like that. However I have read stats that said that 1 in 4 Americans has Herpes, generally speaking. And Im sure that the majority of those are not black girls seeing as how black people only make up 12% of the American population and white people make up 75%.

How many black girls have you slept with in your life? If any, how easy was it for you? Ive slept with my fair share and I can personally tell you that the handful of white girls that Ive slept with were far easier.

Its ironic how black girls are stereotypically the hardest for anyone to talk to or approach....but the easiest to fuck. lol

Not trying to make race the point here, I mentioned it only amongst other things like location, class, lifestyle and such. I was also careful to say "many of which", not "all" by any means esp when you're talking about the types you see chasing these thugged out dudes. When I was a kid, I lived in the hood for a bit and I saw with my own eyes how much was going on with all these teen girls getting knocked up and shit. Plus what Subutai said about the staggering herpes rate is telling as well as I what I already know about the out of wedlock kids rate. That's all. I regret saying it now because I don't want to make this a race thread and risk getting banned from the forum. But that was my reasoning behind what I said and why I do think there's more promiscuity with black girls ON AVERAGE. When people mention them being hard to approach, I think the bitch shields are high, but if they like you, you probably aren't going to get huge resistance to the bedroom. It's not like the stuff I'm hearing here about Argentine and Indian girls. Anyway, can we now drop this side-topic?

[theIVth]

(02-21-2011 01:14 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(02-21-2011 12:46 PM)theIVth Wrote:  

(02-21-2011 12:27 PM)subutai Wrote:  

I don't know whether white women or black women in the US are "easier" but I have read CDC stats that said close to 50% of black women between the ages of 14 to 49 have HERPES.

So if they're slow to put out for you, then they're definitely putting out for someone(s). That's an eye-popping stat if I ever saw one.

Sir, Ive never read or seen a stat that said anything like that. However I have read stats that said that 1 in 4 Americans has Herpes, generally speaking. And Im sure that the majority of those are not black girls seeing as how black people only make up 12% of the American population and white people make up 75%.

How many black girls have you slept with in your life? If any, how easy was it for you? Ive slept with my fair share and I can personally tell you that the handful of white girls that Ive slept with were far easier.

Its ironic how black girls are stereotypically the hardest for anyone to talk to or approach....but the easiest to fuck. lol

Not trying to make race the point here, I mentioned it only amongst other things like location, class, lifestyle and such. I was also careful to say "many of which", not "all" by any means esp when you're talking about the types you see chasing these thugged out dudes. When I was a kid, I lived in the hood for a bit and I saw with my own eyes how much was going on with all these teen girls getting knocked up and shit. Plus what Subutai said about the staggering herpes rate is telling as well as I what I already know about the out of wedlock kids rate. That's all. I regret saying it now because I don't want to make this a race thread and risk getting banned from the forum. But that was my reasoning behind what I said and why I do think there's more promiscuity with black girls ON AVERAGE. When people mention them being hard to approach, I think the bitch shields are high, but if they like you, you probably aren't going to get huge resistance to the bedroom. It's not like the stuff I'm hearing here about Argentine and Indian girls. Anyway, can we now drop this side-topic?

We can definitely drop it but in the future dont make assumptions based on stats and what you think. For the little time that you lived in the "hood" how easy was it for you to sleep with a black girl versus the white girls that you've slept with?

I spent my whole adolescent life in the hood and know how black girls get down. They arent saints by any means but they arent as easy, in my opinion, as their white counterparts. From my experiences with white girls, reading the accounts of the other guys' experiences on here with what Im assuming to be majority white girls, and just seeing them in action when I go out, white girls are far more promiscuous ON AVERAGE than black girls. Its just not as obvious because white girls probably have more abortions and take more birth control.

But its dropped

[rudebwoy]

Subutai - I respect your thoughts and what you say.
But stats mean nothing to me, who comes up with these stats! If I listened the media for example, I would not leave my country b/c the world is dangerous. I would not even dream of going to a place like Colombia b/c it is considered one of the dangerous places in the world.

Now as a black man who did not grow up in the hood, if it were not for white women I would not have hardly any sexual experience. There is no girl on the planet easier than them, it does not even matter what country or continent.

For those who say black girls are easy, like IVth said do you know first hand or just hearsay or what you have read.

The baby theory is on a deeper issue, which I will not get into.

[Mystik]

(02-21-2011 12:46 PM)theIVth Wrote:  

(02-21-2011 12:27 PM)subutai Wrote:  

I don't know whether white women or black women in the US are "easier" but I have read CDC stats

Sir, Ive never read or seen a stat that said anything like that.

He mentioned the source.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml...mm5807a6_e

And this is just the 20-29 age group.

[subutai]

CDC = Center for Disease Control and Prevention = the US government.

Anyhow, what's the big deal? A lot of black women in the US have the herp? I never actually meant to imply they were "easier" than white girls -- most of the women I have banged have been white girls so I'd be the first to say they've been the "easiest" for me.

STDs are also a major problem in Eastern Europe as well by the way, for a variety of reasons, including a culture of barebacking since "exotic" STDs were not all that common until the region "opened up" to the West. In fact, if a girl adamantly insists on a condom, then I usually discover that they got something like Clamydia in the past by an ex-boyfriend, got it cured via antibiotics, and now is super paranoid (as she should be).

Now let's get off this topic and back to the focus of the thread.

One major downside to living abroad in pussy paradise? I can't seem to muster any motivation to actually put in an honest's day of "work." It's becoming a serious problem, although this could be related to the dreary weather.

[theIVth]

(02-21-2011 11:22 PM)Mystik Wrote:  

(02-21-2011 12:46 PM)theIVth Wrote:  

(02-21-2011 12:27 PM)subutai Wrote:  

I don't know whether white women or black women in the US are "easier" but I have read CDC stats

Sir, Ive never read or seen a stat that said anything like that.

He mentioned the source.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml...mm5807a6_e

And this is just the 20-29 age group.

40% sounds like a lot when blacks only make up 12% of the population. Its not that hard to get to 40% when its only 12 of you in the room. Only 10% of the white population having herpes sounds good until you realize that they make up 75% of the people in America.

[Mystik]

(02-21-2011 11:56 PM)theIVth Wrote:  

(02-21-2011 11:22 PM)Mystik Wrote:  

(02-21-2011 12:46 PM)theIVth Wrote:  

(02-21-2011 12:27 PM)subutai Wrote:  

I don't know whether white women or black women in the US are "easier" but I have read CDC stats

Sir, Ive never read or seen a stat that said anything like that.

He mentioned the source.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml...mm5807a6_e

And this is just the 20-29 age group.

40% sounds like a lot when blacks only make up 12% of the population. Its not that hard to get to 40% when its only 12 of you in the room. Only 10% of the white population having herpes sounds good until you realize that they make up 75% of the people in America.

What you are saying is correct but this is 40% of the 12% that you are talking about. The overall herpes rate is 17% which decreases exactly because blacks make up 12% of the population and hence, less weight is given to that group when calculating the average.

If we want to further discuss stats on STDs (I am not really keen on doing so) then someone can start a new thread, lets not spoil this one and take it off topic.

[JayMillz]

(02-21-2011 12:27 PM)subutai Wrote:  

[size=medium]I have read CDC stats that said close to 50% of black women between the ages of 14 to 49 have HERPES.

I'm not sure why this topic entered what seemed to previously be a relatively intelligent discussion, but for those who are interested in the statistics discussed above, the following is a good read: http://www.theroot.com/views/behind-herpes-numbers