Quote: (07-07-2016 03:01 AM)Thoughtcrime Wrote:
Quote: (07-06-2016 09:30 AM)Lizard King Wrote:
governments use him to monitor their people and corporations use the data he collects.
Not like he has a choice. Unless he were to relocate the Facebook base to some other country. Any company of the size and influence of Facebook has to play ball with the government.
Quote: (07-06-2016 09:30 AM)Lizard King Wrote:
He is no pioneer or leader, he does not command respect when he enters a room or building. As people have already said here, he got lucky and weaseled.
I disagree. His priorities are simply different than many other men's. He is trying to take over the world, more and more. He's sparring with the heavyweights, like Google. I highly suggest to those bashing him to read this article: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/h...ogle-plus.
I agree that FB is not exactly revolutionary, but, much like Bill Gates, it's what Zuckerberg did when he achieved that initial success that is really impressive. There are tons of stories of early success that fizzles out. It takes real finesse to not get screwed over by supposed colleagues and to not get chewed up by existing giants. Come to think of it, Facebook not only overtook a giant (MySpace), but successfully faced off an attack from another (Google). Google gave everything they had to push G+, but they just couldn't dethrone FB. You could say that it's a testament to Google's ineptitude when in their social strategy, but it also speaks volumes to how good of a product FB is.
Thank you, Thoughtcrime, for being a voice of reason. I've been thinking more of less the same, though my position is somewhat in the middle. I think people here just got carried away with their anti-establishment sentiment. That's understandable, but we need to get more sober and objective.
Leftists certainly appreciate the role of luck more than the right. Their moral argument for redistribution of wealth is that poor people are mostly just unlucky/oppressed so they should be given assistance by the state; the rich got to where they are mostly through luck and help so they should give back through tax.
I'd say that if a business can maintain its success for a long time, then it is no mere luck. A talentless person who achieves success through luck alone will often have his luck burned out quickly. Even if you inherit a fortune or a kingdom, without ability you'll just ruin it.
Are there smart people who are unsuccessful? Sure. Does luck play a part? Sure. Is that all? No. In field like business and especially social media business, just having technical intelligence is enough. You must be innovative and have a knack for what's appealing to the mass, and a vigorous disciple, among other qualities. Show me an unsuccessful smart person who also masters those soft skills and works tirelessly to achieve his goal. In most cases, I find that unsuccessful smart dudes are either lazy/unmotivated, or socio-psychologically inept, lacking sensibility in some crucial aspects.
Zuckerberg might be a little spergy, but he understands what gets people interested. While luck certainly plays a part, it must be acknowledged that Facebook has an appealing interface, convenient features and are just generally addition-inducing. Some remarkable psychology is at work there. I don't find suggested alternatives as convenient as Facebook.
Zuck is a manager, not a leader of men. He may not have the presence and charisma of someone like Trump, but he knows who to hire and when to fire. It's unfair to apply peculiar leadership criteria in assessing management quality.
Zuck once said that he wore a brown shirt everyday because he wanted to save energy.
Feminists attacked his comment for being
sexist. While Zuck is part of a corrupt power structure, I think his
dedication to work is admirable. His level of concentration and persistence is extra-ordinary. He worked hard and he worked smartly. Give credit when credit is due.
That said, he focuses too much on one aspect of life, so he is unbalanced. He's too fixated on his business, and forgets to live. If he enjoys his work, then that's good, but I don't think he really feels fulfilled. Mike Cernovich once said Zuck felt insecure around him when Sheryl Sandberg invited Mike and his wife, who was Facebook's first lawyer, to dinner. I take Mike for his words here. In that sense he's pitiful. It's also alright to hate Zuck for unethical assistance he has given to the government. But it cannot be said his success is due to mere luck, weaseling and connection.
I'm not going to bash Zuck's business acumen while praising Trump for his. Let's be consistent.