[speakeasy]

Philochko, the black dude in Russia who gets his videos posted here from time to time mentioned that the most hostility he faces is when he's with a blonde. I do think the "white god factor" is a good explanation. I remember hearing some WNs refer to Heidi Klum as "the ultimate race traitor". If she had dark hair they wouldn't have used that word. I think that whole WGF thing goes back to Hitler and all his talk about Aryan purity and Nordics being the supreme incarnation of humanity.

[durangotang]

(05-28-2014 09:10 PM)kdolo Wrote:  

After following the Elliot Rodger fiasco, i have a question.

What is up with the apparent white American male obsession with blondes??

It appeared that the pedestalization of blondes played no small role in his rampage.

White American male obsession with blondes? White?

First, Elliot Rodgers is approximately as European as Obama. I love it how any excuse is found to label someone as a white male perpetrator no matter what in todays politically correct environment no matter how implausible. Take the Zimmerman trial as an example - a half latino, with a predominately jewish name whose own father referred to him as a "Spanish speaking minority." Yet he was white, and when that looked too absurd, then he was a "white hispanic" whatever the hell that means.

White guy:



Another white guy:



Second, it's all races who want white women.

Third, take a second to mentally reverse the race roles. Imagine he targeted blacks girls with afros. Just imagine how the media shit storm. Hate crime of the century. Yet, a half-Chinese guy specifically targets blond girls and he's obviously an angry white male. I guarantee if he cured cancer he'd be lauded as an Asian American.

I was actually glad that the Elliot Rodgers issue didn't get race derailed, as I think race wasn't the primary component, but it was certainly part of it. Narcissism, entitlement, psychiatric drugging, a broken family, social isolation via online gaming, hypergamy, feminism and the sexual marketplace are all a piece of the picture and I am glad those things are being discussed instead of just race. However, you started this thread in specific reference to Elliot Rodgers and asked "What is up with the apparent white American male obsession with blondes??"

Cognative dissonance. It's a thing.

[Flint]

(05-29-2014 01:14 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I think that whole WGF thing goes back to Hitler and all his talk about Aryan purity and Nordics being the supreme incarnation of humanity.

I think it's much older than that and not just limited to white Europeans.

A light-skinned Chinese person who marries a tanned Chinese man/woman is considered to date down. Iranians are also extremely race-obsessed and will not hesitate to tell you how Arabs, Turks and Kurds polluted the Persian race with their darker traits.

I actually think the blonde obsession is much worse outside of North America and Europe. The worshipping that even ugly blonde women receive from men in Turkey or India is beyond belief.

[Switch]

(05-29-2014 01:13 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 01:06 AM)Switch Wrote:  

I don't think it's a matter of scarcity. By that logic ginger women would far and away be the most coveted women, which to my knowledge, is not true.

It's not just the scarcity, blonde is just aesthetically pleasing. The human eye is attracted to things that are gold in color. The media also shows blonde people in an overwhelmingly positive light.

Gingers tend to have a lot of other (negative) attributes too like freckles and pasty skin. This doesn't appeal to as many people.

Of course just being blonde doesn't mean much if it's negated by other factors like a wimpy physique and ugly face for a man or a fat ugly blonde woman.

I don't agree that blonde in general is aesthetically pleasing. I think in general blondes are pedestalized by the media, and that influences what guys perceive as what is hot and what isn't.

One thing I think about blondes is the natural tendency to tan well and have golden tan skin which is also seen as attractive in our culture. For example if you google image search hot redhead, there won't be pale-ass gingers, there is died red hair with tan skin. I don't think any of my white friends (blonde and not) have preference for blondes, while my asian and black friends, when regarding their preferences within white women, have a preference for blondes. I think people like IRT want blondes so much perhaps because they are being racist and there will never be a naturally blonde Indian or Asian or Black person, so they use the term blonde broadly and representative of all white women.

Personally I think beauty transcends race/hair color. The hottest black women is on the same level as the hottest asian or latino or brunette or blonde.

Edit: I agree with those saying that the 'white god factor' plays a role.

[kosko]

Ooooooooh Weeeee! Blondies! AKA Golden Flakes, AKA Boxed Blondes!

^*Bottle Blonde

Me and my homies growing up had a rap sheet of names we would call these broads. I always could get my way with them and really had no idea why in those days. Looking back though, and linking it to now, I've had success with them Blondies only because I really don't view them as anything special, when I am staring at a juicy Brunette at the other end of the room while I am chatting up a blonde it kinda makes my game more aloof and non-invested, its nothing planned, its just a natural response. View them as whatever, kind of annoying, and watch the shields get cracked up a bit (There are other instances at play, I am a brother and some weird shit plays into this Black+Blonde thing too, its something I have always sniffed as odd, but can't really put into words right now).

I've been force fed Blondes for a long portion of my life so I will detail why I think the mainstream thirst for Blondies is so strong.

Its mostly propaganda, some rarity, but mostly a cocktail of of all aspects of American popular culture all at work to paint Blondes as wholesome as the American Apple pie. The "ideal" of beauty in America is a buxom blonde. This is the apple pie meme of American beauty even though America has been majority brown hair for its entire history. I grew up in a place with a swath of people of Ukraine and Polish heritage so Blondes actually were a sizable number and it got to a point I got sick of them because for a good long stretch the only pussy I was getting was from blondes.

Its a cultural manifestation though. Just like how in the one thread we talked about how huge cartoon booties that Black American men obsess over is a local USA meme, the same is true for blondes. Only in places in which American propaganda/media has been disseminated do you get this lust for the buxom blonde.

If you Google "Beautiful American Women" you get a host of pictures, mostly of blondes, and most of them aren't even American...



^ This broad is some Dutch model.

The 90's version, Pam Anderson, Canadian:
   

But in America's past.... It was a bit more realistic. Yeah Marlyn Monroe and shit like that but back in the day you had more Brunettes and Black haired broads because that was the common stock of American women. If you plucked the hottest broad out of a pool of American women in the 1950s, she was likley going to be white, and Black/brown haired:





But bringing it back, its not just unique to men, American women also have this stereotyped dialed in. Anybody remember how American women were frothing at the mouth when a Indian-American girl won Miss America over some Apple Pie Blonde whom didn't even place?



White girl rage went into full orbit when they couldn't help but spew their largely held racist views of other women whom ain't pearly white like them as beneath them on the wow/pretty scale, and how some superficial authority on beauty (a "beauty" pageant.. of course.. ) did not see how "perfect", "pretty", and ... "like.. blonde" Miss Apple Pie America 2.0 was, over some random brunette minority from Long Island or some shit (which paints a more accurate modern 2013 America then some corn-fed Wisconsin Blonde does).

Some dudes prefer Blondes, its their preference, and I find they will go for a beat girl, or a lesser girl, if she's blonde because that's what he likes. Cool. Whatever. But for the rest its just a cultural manifestation. I don't buy fully the "rarity" argument because Redheads are more rare, but the allure isn't as pervasive, widespread, and strong as it is for Blondes in media and culture for them... why is that?




Its all conditioning pure and simple. If your bombarded with a ton of images, celebrities, etc in a status and sexualized setting you will start to think that that is the image of status and sexuality on subconscious level. As I noted in the same Beiber thread you can't hold any blonde to a exotic Brunette, it just isn't possible, because Blondes shoot themselves in the foot since they all more or less look alike, and jacked up girls whom fake it, don't have the classic "Nordic", "northern" look and mess it all up for the real ones. The diversity of a exotic brunette will always trump a Blonde, only personal preferences win out if that is your thing, but a man whom is just chasing a hot piece of ass, there will always be more options and selection for brunettes; just simply by the numbers and the real exotic factors they present.

Due to the fake cultural pedalization by both men and women. Most Blondes, if they are smart, will go and change their hair to Black. The contrast with lighter eyes is more striking and makes them stand out more, because as I noted so many girls run for the bottle blond look, and cheapen the look that god gave these blondes. In the end this mix actually comes out looking pretty hot and exotic, and recreates the typical Blondie/light haired girl into something different....



Most can't do it of course. Because as other have noted, the attention factor and golden pussy pass is to much to give up. Blondes get pandered to way more, and get way more advances from both men .. and women. This feeds the ago and many Blondes have the ego complex, way higher shields, etc.

In the end it is what it is. as the Media and Corporations continue to distort American culture into some type of fictitious thing only as means to siphon money and resources away from the masses. You can almost say that the "Apple Pie" America lives on but not in its wholesome real form. Apple pie is simple as hell... spice, nutmeg, cinnamon, crust, apples. But the modern version is a McDonald hand pie or some chemical laden mess from the Supermarket. This is basically the extent of all of America if you think about it. You get the cheap version sold to you as the real deal. Real Blondes are so far of the map, all you get mostly now these days are bottle blondes faking it for that golden pussy pass.

The last major point to make not of is how powerful media and culture can be. This can't be ignored. For us on here, whom have largely in many different levels broke out of the mess and noise of mainstream culture and norms but its effects can't be ignored. By environment very much shaped my preferences for women. That picture above of Liz Taylor, just with her eyes and dark hair gives me a raging boner. That look was always "exotic" to me growing up being surrounded by a sea of Blondes in my home town. And also, to further add to the strength of culture, lets not forget that its troubling when what gives some men boners isn't really what they desire but some outside complex that was fed to them from culture, environment, and the media. Let that example be telling, and a pre-lude for other examples of pervasiveness creeping up in American culture in men, with rampant growing bisexuality, homo, and, sexual perversions being propagandized as the "normal" thing now. Your environment influences you so much, and for many men (as we saw with Elliot Rogers) they take this fake cultural discharge of Blondes to critical and obscene levels.

[DavidZRH]

(05-29-2014 01:06 AM)Switch Wrote:  

I don't think it's a matter of scarcity. By that logic ginger women would far and away be the most coveted women, which to my knowledge, is not true.

Personally I think it's both scarcity and personal preference. I like natural redheads with pale skin and some freckles. It's a matter of personal taste and the fact that they are even more rare than natural blondes makes them exotic.

People like exotic. I LIKE EXOTIC.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I also don't get it. Once upon a time, I thought that it probably had its roots in the ancient Hellenic culture which had shaped most of the western world and its culture, but the truth is that we don't really know what that culture was like. When a movie like "Troy" makes Helen a hot blonde woman, there's no way to say if that is because Homer really described her like that or because someone thought that he must have. It's confusing, to say the least.

A hot woman is a hot woman, no matter her natural hair color.

I once knew a girl with light brown to blond hair (what I call "honey"), and she was angry because of it and constantly repainted it to black or dark brown. I have no idea why.

[cooledcannon]

@kosko

I think I disagree with you on this one.

The reason why so many blondes are in culture/media is because women dye their hair blonde. Similar to how they wear makeup, they dye to look more attractive. I believe on average guys would prefer the blondes(naturally, not culturally), on two chicks that otherwise are equally hot. Because the media is partly about chicks who care about their attractiveness, you would naturally have more of them with blonde hair, dyed or natural. So its more that they push blondes more because the chicks happen to be blonde. As well as guys prefer blondes to start.

There are evolutionary reasons why blonde hair is so common. I think it evolved in the Scandinavian/nordic regions where it was cold and chicks didnt expose their bodies much(I believe this is a reason why white, maybe nordic guys more so, care so much about face, whereas black guys care more about body/ass). Guys needed to know how attractive a girl is, without necessarily looking at their bodies. Blonde hair evolved, and it was lightest during youth and got brown as the chick got older. Therefore if you picked a blonde you will have a higher chance of getting a young fertile chick to impregnate. Traits which will get passed down, because you will be more successful than those who prefer brunettes(who would on average get older chicks).

I dont think it is easy for culture or media to influence what we find attractive. For obvious evolutionary reasons(if we let others influence us, then we will die out or not reproduce as quickly, we needed an "objective" sense of attractiveness, based on fertility). And if they could, then the powers that be will have brainwashed us to like fat, ugly chicks, which would have a far stronger effect on population control(and taking our freedoms) than introducing feminism/whatnot.

Of course, to some extent they are effective, read: guys who obsess over chicks like Kate Upton(whose waist is nearly the size of her hips), JLaw, or even some black (American) guys who like big asses even though it is completely unnatural and the chick is completely fat/ugly. It isnt even a black thing as most African guys like skinny chicks, and their models are skinny too. As bad as those examples are, I will have to say humanity by and large cannot be fooled into being attracted to something which isnt attractive or healthy for reproduction

It is also interesting that other races prefer blondes even though they likely have never encountered blonde hair in their lives. Like the IRT, for example. I am asian, and I prefer blondes. Maybe my ancestors have fucked some blondes at some point and produced more children than if they didnt. Or maybe all human beings have similar enough genetics that all of us have the "blonde gene"(this is really speculative at this point), but only blondes have it "activated".

Edit: Also, blonde hair and lighter skin means you absorb more Vitamin D, one of the more critical things you need for health(one of the most important things to supplement, if you are deficient)

Heres a link to an interesting article about it: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/...attractive

[speakeasy]

(05-29-2014 02:30 AM)kosko Wrote:  

She is yummy. But shiny raven-black hair is basically non-existent on white females. I'm not sure I've ever seen a girl with skin that pale with naturally occurring jet-black hair. Way more rare than a natural blonde. The closest I see is some of the white Latinas have that look. Only see it on South and East Asians and Native Americans.

[DavidZRH]

You need to travel to Eastern Europe more often. There are a lot of white women with pale skin and jet black hair.

White women with black hair and blue/green eyes are rarer. Most of them have dark eyes as well.

(05-29-2014 03:23 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

She is yummy. But shiny raven-black hair is basically non-existent on white females. I'm not sure I've ever seen a girl with skin that pale with naturally occurring jet-black hair. Way more rare than a natural blonde. The closest I see is some of the white Latinas have that look. Only see it on South and East Asians and Native Americans.

[kosko]

(05-29-2014 03:23 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 02:30 AM)kosko Wrote:  

She is yummy. But shiny raven-black hair is basically non-existent on white females. I'm not sure I've ever seen a girl with skin that pale with naturally occurring jet-black hair. Way more rare than a natural blonde. The closest I see is some of the white Latinas have that look. Only see it on South and East Asians and Native Americans.

She is a dusty dirty blonde naturally and dies it black now. When I hit it she has typical white girl spirally light and dirty blondo-brown-ish hair. She is of EE heritage though, so dense the eyes.

Yes. It is more common in EE and for White Latinas. The eyes add the cold contrast, but the hair sometimes is enough on its own. Typically you only see stark dark hair on Asian women, Aboriginal women, or Latin women, but since Euro-Caucasian women typically have a different thickness/thinness of hair and it just appears, looks, and feels, different versus thinner Asian or thicker Latina female locks.

Christina Aguilera for example was never a natural blonde. She is a Black haired Latina naturally.



Cameron Diaz is a bottle Blonde Latina too..

[Marlfox]

You can always hit a nerve with this one. Some people really don't like the idea that some other people like this feature or the features that go with it (or the peoples associated with it) and have a real chip on their shoulder (read; feelings of inferiority) over a personal preference. Just look at the responses you've gotten in two pages...

[Foolsgo1d]

I've never approached a girl based on her hair colour unless it was a redhead as I know they are mostly closet nymphos.

I go on looks and hair length.

[Zengling]

The obsession with blond is purely based upon media manipulation to take advantage of selling hair products. If the message came out to be that all men would want a blond girl, then all women would want to purchase hair dyes in order to convert to the change. However if the media portray that you are beautiful no matter what kind of hair you have, that's just less revenue in a world of consumption.

The more media spew that "blond" is a higher form of status, the more people will believe it. Its plain social conditioning at its finest.

I personally don't care about hair color, I care mostly about the state of a woman's skin, her physical shape, and how she manage her hair.

[The Beast1]

I'm surprised no one mentioned this, but so far we have 2 asian mass murderers on our hands. VA tech guy: asian elliot: half asian

Me thinks there is some extreme beta angst among these guys.

[turuk]

I noticed that Asian and Middle-eastern men have obsession, if you would call it that, special interest to blonde women. They are rare in their own society. But to come to Elliot's reason for his obsession, his motives were different, he wasn't obsessed because they are rare. Blondes are not rare in US as far as I know. He was obsessed about them because he couldn't get them.

[Sailor]

(05-28-2014 10:07 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

(05-28-2014 10:00 PM)assman Wrote:  

(05-28-2014 09:10 PM)kdolo Wrote:  

What is up with the apparent white American male obsession with blondes??

Why is it just white American males? Blonde females are probably the most sought after females by hair color by males of all races.

Just one psycho half-white, half-Asian doesn't change 'blond obsession' into a white guy thing.

Indeed, tons of blonde girls being "the main girl" in Caribbean music videos, e.g. Santos' Propuesta Indecente or Nicky Jam's Voy a Beber.

Hordes of blondes featured prominently in Mexican telenovelas, and Mexican TV in general.

In Mexican Telenovelas the blonde is usually the "bad girl" or the typical fresa,for leading ladies they usually pick a hairbrushed version of the all mexican girl

Examples

The Good Mexican Girl



the bad one

[Icarus]

One of the likely reasons for blonde obsession is neoteny, i.e.,

"The retention of juvenile characteristics in the adults of a species. Humans, for example, are sometimes said to demonstrate neoteny by retaining through adulthood the relatively large head and hairlessness characteristic of very young primates. The body proportions of flightless birds, which resemble those of fetal flying birds, are also considered to be evidence of neoteny."

From Wikipedia:

Quote:

In a cross-cultural study, more neotenized female faces were the most attractive to men while less neotenized female faces were the least attractive to men, regardless of the females' actual age. Using a panel of Asian, Hispanic and white judges, Michael R. Cunningham found that the Asian, Hispanic and white female faces found most attractive were those that had "neonate large eyes, greater distance between eyes, and small noses" and his study led him to conclude that "large eyes" were the most "effective" of the "neonate cues". Cunningham also said that "shiny" hair may be indicative of "neonate vitality".

White babies tend to have large eyes, small noses, and fair hair. Later in life, they may develop large noses and dark hair. Blonde women thus trigger the male paternal and protective instincts more than non-blonde women.

[internet alpha]

You dont fuck the hair.

[shameus_o'reaaly]

why does naturally blonde hair always go dark at the roots? I've yet to see a blonde woman who doesn't look at though she dyes it-she'll have fair eyebrows/skin and a much darker line where she parts her hair.

[El Chinito loco]

(05-29-2014 06:35 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

I'm surprised no one mentioned this, but so far we have 2 asian mass murderers on our hands. VA tech guy: asian elliot: half asian

Me thinks there is some extreme beta angst among these guys.

I don't think you can call this an asian thing any more than you can call it a white thing. What all these recent mass murderes Lanza, Holmes, Cho, and Rodger etc.. have in common is that they are mentally ill and were left untreated. Their specific insane reasons for going apeshit were different but they all had similarities..ie. social alienation, lack of treatment for a diagnosed mental condition, and poor parental support.

[cooledcannon]

(05-29-2014 05:36 AM)Zengling Wrote:  

The obsession with blond is purely based upon media manipulation to take advantage of selling hair products. If the message came out to be that all men would want a blond girl, then all women would want to purchase hair dyes in order to convert to the change. However if the media portray that you are beautiful no matter what kind of hair you have, that's just less revenue in a world of consumption.

The more media spew that "blond" is a higher form of status, the more people will believe it. Its plain social conditioning at its finest.

I personally don't care about hair color, I care mostly about the state of a woman's skin, her physical shape, and how she manage her hair.

If media manipulation was effective, they would be far more profitable trying to push some unnatural color like blue or purple or green.

No one likes those colors, despite how much media pushing for weird dyed hairs. People like blonde despite being dyed because its natural. There is probably a better reason why they like blonde more than other natural colors.

[Travesty]

I am a pretty rational guy. I think chicks of all races can be hot easily.

That said nothing screams fertility to my cock like a great looking blonde. It is just extremely feminine. I don't have the best luck with them of course because I pedestalize them, but I can't fight my genetics.

Bottle blondes don't fool my cock much either. Nordic features must go with it. Real blondes.

[DJ-Matt]

(05-29-2014 02:30 AM)kosko Wrote:  

But bringing it back, its not just unique to men, American women also have this stereotyped dialed in. Anybody remember how American women were frothing at the mouth when a Indian-American girl won Miss America over some Apple Pie Blonde whom didn't even place?

She lost because no one wants to look at nasty ass tats on an otherwise hot woman.

[assman]

(05-29-2014 12:41 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

She lost because no one wants to look at nasty ass tats on an otherwise hot woman.

Exactly!

Now that so many women under 30 have tats, they don't want to hear it, but nothing says skank like tats, especially tats as large as the one she has.

I have no problem with the message of the tat, but for fuck's sake, can't you commit it to memory or post it up on your fridge or bathroom mirror?