[bigbootyluvr]

last time i was here, I was on fire. THat was because I was in with a few groups who introduced me to their social circle, and the online thing was clicking real wel. This time i'm without that social circle, and the online thing seems inundated with desperate American guys.

Lottery- no, not jealous of them, good for them! they could never punch that high if they moved to miami. My point was that these girls have no real rhyme or reason for dating these slobs, who they continually complain about.

Yes, I can get plenty of pussy here if I want, but I'm not so sure the headaches and $$$ factor outweighs the benefits. I think next i'll head to eastern europe or PI next.

And as an fyi, I pretty much have my pick of the girls in the USA, even though i'm not real excited about them.

Oh, and as an fyi- I just had yet ANOTHER girl cancel on me for tonight. lmao. SHe asked me to do something then cancels two hour ahead of time. I hate to sound arrogant when I say this but if *I* am having trouble here, I can guarantee most American guys will have a rough time here as well.

Roosh- if you mean by laying down for her and following her around like a puppy dog all night buying her and her girlfriends drinks, then no i'm not willing to do that. THese hoes can follow me, if they don't like it they can get lost. After reading your book i'm surprised you of all people don't agree with how flaky these chicks are and the poor ROI.

[Roosh]

I'm with you in spirit. I KNOW exactly what you're experiencing, since the same things have happened to me, but I think your expectations and attitude are hurting your cause.

Even as much as I rag on American girls, when I'm out I still roll with the punches to get what I want. See the humor in it and keep going, especially if you're still in Colombia.

[thegmanifesto]

Agreed with Roosh on this one.

Sound like you need to lighten up, have fun and get some positive energy going.

If "losing" $7 on a shared cab ride (from your story it sounds like you created a self-fulfilling prophecy on this one) slows you down, your problems probably don't end there.

[Ajiaco]

I think your social circle observation is spot on. A lot of the girls I've met here have been through friends, and most Colombians seem to find girls the same way.

Also, out of curiosity, how many of the girls that you had a bad experience with did you meet online, and how many did you game in person? I am willing to bet that the girls you meet in a face-to-face way are less flaky. Then again, gaming girls from scratch in the street or the club rather than online takes a lot more nerve. It ain't easy.

And I can't imagine why you would be concerned about 7 dollars for a cab ride. I know some foreigners here, and they are always watching the cab meter like a hawk and paranoid about being scammed. It comes with the territory, and it's gonna happen sometimes.

I'm sorry you're having such a bad time, but try to stay positive man.

[MiXX]

A shitty day in Colombia is better than a great day in a corner office of prison corporate job.

[Nacirema]

Bbl, I think you are right man. Ive observed all that in Colombia.

Ive also gotten with some of the hottest and most down to roll chicks of my life in Colombia. Ive also had the pleasure to connect with so many cool ass people.

A hip Colombian cat could come to our United States and see (then say) all of the exact same shit about local girls and guys here of all races. Think about it. The gangstas and hipsters and frat boys and guidos and barrio superstars and uptight Asians and every shade in between. All easy to ridicule if one was so inclined to do so.

There are also a lot of great people here from all races and backrounds.

Its really a negativity vs. positivity thing.

Once again, not saying you are wrong; Im saying you are half right. And yea IMO, Colombia is a lousy ROI for non-fluent guys on short vacations looking for quick, non-professional sex. NYC is prob better for that.

In the US, girls have their career or govt welfare to depend on, no matter their love life.

In Colombia, girls are made and broken by their actions concerning the opposite sex, so many of them play it a little diff than what is typical in the states.

[Lief]

Guys - it's not the $7 that pisses him off, it's the principle of someone taking advantage of you. No one likes being played a fool. I've set cabbies straight over $0.50.


This is a clip of a Colombiana talking about cultural differences within Colombia - it's in Spanish so not for everyone. Anyway - she mentions that Paisas have a reputation for being liars and exaggerate everything. Like I said, once you know the cultural nuances of where you're at, things become a lot easier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WyRqrICS...r_embedded

BBL, you're thinking of heading to Eastern Euro hoping that the women there are gonna be more honest?? Do you know what kind of reputation Russian women have?

[Rocco81]

Yeah and also like I and MiXX have both stated no need to even bother with Medellin. I have not even gone, because I took advice of friends colleagues etc. But the guys that have been or still go,will tell you its a joke now. Of course the girls are pretty but there is simply a large number of scum bag tourists and mongers from Puerto Rico, to Isreal to New York city.

Bootylvr - I don't blame you 1 bit for going because Paisas are known for bieng the best looking girls in Colombia (depending on who you ask) but really its gone through a negative change over the last few years.

The Paisas are game players...simple as that. Any gringo that is on Colombian cupid can bet his ass in gold that there are a couple hundred other gringo's (and at the very least a few of which that have more money and are better looking than him) who are writing these bitches every single day. I have been on and off Colombian travel/expat forums for years and its insane the amount of people on Colombian cupid alone, all looking at going to Medellin for fun.

These Paisas have a handful of dudes to choose from every single weekend. If one seems more gullible, more handsome, richer or whatever than say Mr. BootyLover or me or MiXX, then guess who is left out in the cold?

I prefer other places in Colombia and I wont even say where here because I don't want to shit where I eat.

[Rocco81]

Oh yeah I also want to add something. Colombia unfortunately is becoming more and more like the USA. We have military bases there now, a large presence of expats and tourists and Colombia is really the only friend the USA has along the Carribean.

With this comes more pizza's TGIF's , fat people, liberated attitudes etc. Now the Colombianas who were once traditional chicas, are just learning to game from the Colombian men (who lie to and cheat on thier women from day one) and also from old lying gringo's who come there to bang and play games.

Bootylvr - I agree fully that there will be a rapid increase in gringo's bieng drugged (borrachero blanco / burrandanga powder) and taken advantage of in Colombia. There will also be a rapid increase in having some puta's brother show up and take your shit while you are in the shower and your "novia" is lying in bed. WHen you come out of the bathroom without a wallet, shoes, cell to be found you've been taken.

IMO Never trust a Paisa at all..maybe a Colombiana from a small town, but even then be aware.

[thegmanifesto]

Lief,

"Guys - it's not the $7 that pisses him off, it's the principle of someone taking advantage of you. No one likes being played a fool. I've set cabbies straight over $0.50. "

Gotcha. Yeah, we are familiar with the concept of "it's the principle", honor and all that.

However, I learned a long time ago that you don't need to win or even fight every single battle. Its about winning The War.

Is it worth spooling up your attitude and your night in Medellin over $7?

It's not to me.

But what do I know?

I have a great time every time I go to Colombia.

[thegmanifesto]

While I am at it, I might as well clue everybody in a little on the whole cab industry.

Cab drivers in America are treated terrible. They work for slave wages.

Of course they hustle. It's something called Survival.

I can only imagine how cab drivers are treated in other countries, but its safe to say, by and large, its worse than America.

[MiXX]

(02-07-2011 11:21 AM)Rocco81 Wrote:  

I prefer other places in Colombia and I wont even say where here because I don't want to shit where I eat.

AAhhh thank you!! I was holding my breath you would not start posting secret spots not ruined by tourism in Colombia. =)

Mixx

[lottery]

Guys i know completely how you feel, there are places that i also dont like many tourists to go, but come on, probably if you guys name the places, only 5 or 6 of us will go there in the next 5 years, so feel free to share it.

[bigbootyluvr]

I'd reply to all this, but it just seems like guys like "G" are trying to use my frustration to peddle their ebooks or try to look like players.

Tell you what Gmanifesto, you stick with rocking your Zcavaricci suits and selling ebooks about becoming james bond.

You aren't teaching me anything, junior. I've been in the nightclub business for 17 years and i've seen it all. Your suit game is straight up corny but if it works for you at happy hour at blue martini more power to you.

Getting pussy here is not hard, but you have to have a ton of patience. Your ROI perception might be vastly different than mine. For example, a 23 year old might put a high value on chasing 200 women to get 1 bang, but I don't have the value perception that what they have to offer is SO coveted that I have to drop all that money, precious time, or effort on a girl just for some mediocre sex.

[Roosh]

Rocco & Mixx: So you don't mind if other guys withhold their best spots as well? Do you think the forum would be more or less useful if everyone did that? Do you really believe that mentioning a bar or city here will spoil it for you?

If you guys were talking about a village with 2,000 people... okay fine, but these are cities with half a million people or more. Even putting 200 gringos in there right this instant would be nothing but a drop in the bucket. Truth is the average thread gets 1,000 views. How many decide to visit a city in the next 6 months based on a ringing endorsement? Maybe 1 guy, usually none.

I do understand where you guys are coming from, but I don't withhold anything, and because of that this forum and my blog has become a magnet for experienced guys like yourselves. You get what you give, karma, etc.

[Lief]

Rocco/Mixx,

The other thing is that the guys on this board are not the wieners that kill tourist places. Most of the guys on this forum seem like decent guys.

What I would suggest to Rooshv - change the forum so that google does not index it (I can tell you how if you don't know) - that way no one has to worry about people from the outside finding out our secret spots.

BTW - my guess is that

M _ n _ i _ l e s

is one of Mixx's secret spots b/c it has 30,000 uni students and 0 gringoes

[Ajiaco]

Is there a major city in Colombia with mostly ugly women? Because aside from some real out of the way places, you can close your eyes, pick a spot on the map, and it will be teeming with cute girls. This is besides the fact that all of us can look up a list of the top 20 or so cities in Colombia by population, and hop around them. However, that still takes a certain amount of gumption, and once you get outside the most touristy areas, requires a decent amount of Spanish. It's not for everyone, nor do I think it will be anytime soon. We've got a long way before this place becomes that other thread about Thailand.

[MiXX]

(02-07-2011 08:07 PM)Lief Wrote:  

BTW - my guess is that

M _ n _ i _ l e s

is one of Mixx's secret spots b/c it has 30,000 uni students and 0 gringoes

LMAO!! You bastard!!

[MiXX]

(02-07-2011 06:38 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Rocco & Mixx: So you don't mind if other guys withhold their best spots as well? Do you think the forum would be more or less useful if everyone did that? Do you really believe that mentioning a bar or city here will spoil it for you?

If you guys were talking about a village with 2,000 people... okay fine, but these are cities with half a million people or more. Even putting 200 gringos in there right this instant would be nothing but a drop in the bucket. Truth is the average thread gets 1,000 views. How many decide to visit a city in the next 6 months based on a ringing endorsement? Maybe 1 guy, usually none.

I do understand where you guys are coming from, but I don't withhold anything, and because of that this forum and my blog has become a magnet for experienced guys like yourselves. You get what you give, karma, etc.

Roosh, I know what you mean, truly I do. I love sharing (and everyone knows this), but let's face it - only 10% of guys here share information on this board, and the rest are data mining and do not contribute.

So, here is what I suggest to disclose a lot more destinations: a private section where senior members only who have contributed to the board can view.

I find it very unfair to everyone who shares data sheets (you know who you are) to go out, suffer and learn the ropes in foreign lands, and then have a lurker with 1 post data mining valuable intel w/o so much as writing an updated data sheet.

So, how about a spot for senior members only? Let members "earn" the right to view/post? I only see it as a win-win for everyone as junior/new members will contribute more to gain access.

Mixx

[Roosh]

Do you have evidence or even second-hand stories of guys using advice given here for personal gain while purposefully holding back their own info? I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but you make it seem like a big problem. It's not something that I even think about.

You're essentially talking about the Pareto principle, where 20% of the guys share 80% of the data. Even in a private forum, that would still apply, but a whole lot less information would be shared. I've tried making private forums in the past, and have been members of several (particular Mystery's Lounge). They have very short lifespans. You need a lot of members to sustain an online community, with a constant supply of fresh recruits. A quarter of the discussion in private forums becomes merely about who to admit.

Quote:

What I would suggest to Rooshv - change the forum so that google does not index it (I can tell you how if you don't know) - that way no one has to worry about people from the outside finding out our secret spots.

Most people here are from Google (landing directly here or from my blog). You might as well ask me to close registration.

I think you guys have good intentions about how to run the forum, but I'm afraid the ideas I've seen discussed would kill it.

Oh and Mixx's secret spot is not a secret to anyone who has been in Colombia. I've heard about it several times.

[MiXX]

(02-07-2011 09:16 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Do you have evidence or even second-hand stories of guys using advice given here for personal gain while purposefully holding back their own info? I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but you make it seem like a big problem. It's not something that I even think about.

As a matter of fact, I have a few e-mails (that I can remember) of noobs/junior members PM'g me for destinations/locations I have not posted about, and when I ask them to contribute first, I never hear back from them, nor do I see them posting anything.

And no Manizales is not so much a secret....not really my secret spot, however, still off the beaten path form the norm.

If you don't feel a private section is worth it, then hey - it is what it is....


Mixx

[oldnemesis]

(02-07-2011 01:36 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Gotcha. Yeah, we are familiar with the concept of "it's the principle", honor and all that.
However, I learned a long time ago that you don't need to win or even fight every single battle. Its about winning The War.
Is it worth spooling up your attitude and your night in Medellin over $7?

This reminds me of:

Here lies the body of Micheal O'Day
he died enforcing his right of way
He was right, dead right, when he sailed along
but now he is as dead as if he'd been wrong...

[thegmanifesto]

bigbootyluvr,

Let’s recap:

•You post your weak game, your weak psyche and pathetic negative attitude on here.

•I give you constructive advice.

•You make a weesh attempt at insulting me.

Typical bitch behavior of someone who gets thrown off and whines about life's petty events.

Stick to your frustration and lack of heart. It suits you.

And since you have been in the nightclub industry for so long, go fetch me a drink.

And don’t start crying if I spill a little and you have to wipe it up.

Lighten up, you are a weak, miserable person.

I wish you all the best and I hope its not to late for you to turn your life around.

[truedat]

Bahahahahaaaa Gman. Your reply makes me think of the line 'now go get your fucking shinebox' from Goodfellas.

Let me say something on behalf of the BBL though. Every self respecting MAN with 2 balls does not take lightly getting played like a fool, period.

[Luckystar]

Roosh, the travel section is the most distinct part of this forum. If you make a private section, the value of this section of the forum will drop. People will never see the content that truly differentiates this forum from others. Just my two cents.

Mixx, let's take G for an example. I think his Riga data sheet was solid and honest. The good, the bad, the ugly. Is his solid data sheet worthy of your 'B' grade intel (given that you are withholding your premium info)? That doesn't exactly sound like a fair apples to apples trade off either.

At the end of the day, it's your prerogative though.