Reading this makes me extra motivated to get the fuck out of the U.S. Reminds me of when I first came back from overseas. Femininized men, masculine bitchy women,high tax, high cost of living, what more could you ask for? Its only going to get worse from this point.
Back to the USA for one month
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Quote: (04-23-2014 10:49 PM)ishwri Wrote:
Reading this makes me extra motivated to get the fuck out of the U.S. Reminds me of when I first came back from overseas. Femininized men, masculine bitchy women,high tax, high cost of living, what more could you ask for? Its only going to get worse from this point.
The US can be nice place to live as long as you are making decent money. The moment you stop making money and/or are able to make a comparable amount outside of the Western world, it's time to GTFO.
Also, there are other Western countries out there where things are worse than in the US, as in less money to be made, higher cost of living, higher taxes, and bitchier/uglier women.
After reading this thread in full, I feel like a major purpose of this forum is to confirm that we're not all going goddamn crazy.
Read my work on Return of Kings here.
Believe me it only gets worse as you get older in the First World, because you are less of a status ornament for the "I get to party my whole life" fantasy women now have.
I have no answer, I'm happy I fucked off in my twenties, but now I have to work well into my 50s to escape the whales, the brainwashing and the masculinization of the women.
If there's some way you can party in your twenties and bust ass maybe in your 30s... there's just not enough decades unless you're able to break free of the cubicle somehow in your 30s like Roosh did...
Maybe take a seven year period and just kill it financially and escape...
I have no answer, I'm happy I fucked off in my twenties, but now I have to work well into my 50s to escape the whales, the brainwashing and the masculinization of the women.
If there's some way you can party in your twenties and bust ass maybe in your 30s... there's just not enough decades unless you're able to break free of the cubicle somehow in your 30s like Roosh did...
Maybe take a seven year period and just kill it financially and escape...
USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Western Europe, Scandinavia, and parts of South Africa, are all countries toxic to men. Im not sure where the US fall on the list but im guessing 1 or 2. I have heard some awful things about aussie women, and the UK. It seems the westernized disease is spreading its way east in europe. I hope not too fast though. Reading forums like this is the best education I ever had. If I would have settled for an american woman, I would have payed the price.
Have nodded my way through most of this thread. I have never even been to the US (will pass through in July) but NZ is like a mini-version and the majority of our media comes from there. By most accounts our women are even worse however.
I think of meeting women as a game and I compare any woman I meet with what I know is available in the areas of the world that I have visited.
When I read these detailed descriptions of guys on this forum dealing with unnecessarily way over the top harsh rejections and girls with bad attitudes stateside, my immediate thought is that dating here is like being stuck playing an awful video game where the gameplay is not enjoyable, the amount of grinding required to get a reward is not worthwhile, and the rewards you do manage to get are mediocre at best.
Speakeasy said:
Every time I write about going to Colombia and come back raving about my experiences there, I encourage readers to go travel and see what's out there if they haven't before. I can write the most detailed reports possible but it can't possibly convey the feeling of what interacting with feminine girls is like - girls with a baseline level of behavior and attitudes that are significantly different from the baseline of American girls.
slubu described one of his girls:
This is another example from another member playing the game in a location other than the USA where the game is actually fun, the girls are easier to get, and the quality of the girls you get are higher.
What I want to emphasize again to people who have never traveled before is that what we are dealing with stateside with American girls is INSANE! People are talking about figuring out macro solutions, grassroots movements to rebel and fight back against bad behavior, contemplating whether it's worth it, using anger to get motivated - these things do not sound fun at all! It sounds more like people are preparing for guerilla warfare. This simply does not seem like a good use of our precious time on Earth.
For a guy and a girl to hook up, the guy has to choose the girl, and the girl has to choose the guy. It's pretty clear that there are areas outside the USA where the thing that we want - girls - is better in every sense. What hasn't really been discussed much is the fact that in certain foreign sexual markets, to these girls that we would like to hook up with, we are very appealing just by being who we are! Oftentimes, we are already pre-selected. We just need to show up. This is like the equivalent of having fame in the USA except it's a lot easier to be yourself and show up than it is to become famous. I'll give specific examples of how we can be pre-selected by women, and contrast it with the way we evaluate and select women as men. I'll use my experiences from Cali, Colombia:
1. For various reasons, some girls there do not like local Colombian guys and prefer foreigners. The flavor of Colombian dudes that they typically encounter is unappealing to these women.
I recall a conversation with a very sweet and beautiful young Calena whose boyfriend had become an acquaintance. She was with a group of 2 other hot friends and they too had American boyfriends.
StarcraftGG: Tu y tus amigas... prefieren extranjeros?
Calena: Si, por supuesto!
StarcraftGG: Hmm. No te gustan Calenos?
Calena: <mood turns visibly angry> Calenos son perros, feos, mentirosos etc. etc. etc.
This is no different than what many of us men here do with American girls. American girl? Disqualified! Foreign girl? Excellent!
Understand that these American guys didn't have to do anything special - just by virtue of not being Caleno they were rated more highly by certain girls.
2. The way we talk can be very sexy to them. This goes for our English, and our accented Spanish (despite the fact that our level of Spanish might be very low)
A dude described for me the way he met his first girlfriend (very hot girl) after moving to Cali. It was one night at a club and after dancing salsa with a girl, he struggled with talking to her so he got her number. He followed up, they met somewhere and wound up talking for hours despite his pitiful level of Spanish - the girl showed enormous patience and put up with the language barrier - they doodled on napkins, used a dictionary at times, etc. She loved his accent and loved hearing him talk.
If I meet a hot girl but there's a language barrier (she speaks a very low level of English) it's not off-putting and I'm certainly happier to deal with a sexy Latina accent than I would be listening to the whiny-nagging American accent I'm so accustomed to stateside. In fact, it's a breath of fresh air.
This is another example of us not having to actively DO anything - we just show up, open our mouths, there's the accent, and bonus points for us being us.
3. We're exotic simply by being foreigners. The merriam-Webster definition of exotic is: very different, strange, or unusual. Many Calenas find Americans (especially Caucasians) to be exotic. They normally interact with Spanish-speaking dark-haired Calenos and then they meet you - an American man with a different style, mentality, race, and accent - bonus novelty points for you!
This is no different from what can happen to us here - we're used to our American girls with their flip flops, sweatpants, and accent but one day we meet a pretty girl visiting from the Ukraine with a sexy accent, heels, form-fitting clothing, and no phone - it's time to go and get a flag!
Again, we don't have to do anything except show up.
4. Machismo - if you don't understand this concept, then please look it up. It's prevalent in Colombia and from what was explained to me by various Calenas, there are Calenas that don't like it. They feel mistreated and unwanted by their men who have too much machismo. They want to be treated like a lady and are receptive to decency, manners, politeness, romantic gestures and compliments (insecurity on the part of the girl is usually a part of this).
The opposite of the macho man is the nice guy - as you know, America has tons of these. In Colombia however, this species of man is uncommon from what I am able to gather. I remember my first time with a Colombian girl - I was being aloof and trying not to be lovey-dovey and she called me out on it and called me "frio" which means cold. When I warmed up, so did she.
Another example was with a girl who was not really opening up to me and I was about to give up on so I decided to open the floodgates and express my true feelings while posturing to walk away as an experiment to see where it would go - I compared being with her to what I deal with back in America and told her how I can go out many nights and not meet a beautiful warm and wonderful girl like her, and that even though I guess we're not meant to be together, our time together was very special, and I will remember it fondly. I would not even begin to think of using such a tactic on an American girl but on the Calena, it worked massively!
There was some game understanding behind this by being willing to walk away voluntarily when faced with undesirable behavior but the underlying fact is that I was rewarded for being an emotional nice guy! Like Roosh in EE, I am rewarded for being a nice guy in Cali.
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Compare the possibilities above with what the average male deals with here in the USA with what he could be dealing with in Cali.
USA: learn game and re-invent yourself while struggling mightily to find a decent feminine girl while wasting time sorting through an insufferable number of bitches with delusional high esteem
Cali: show up and find yourself surrounded by significantly higher quality women - many that give you bonus points for being who you already are
Now, I'm not saying that you can just step off the plane to find girls throwing themselves at you, or that game is not needed. What I am trying to convey is that no matter what your situation as a male - beta to master PUA - there are locations in the world where things are just more in your favor. For people who are willing improve themselves, get yourself to Colombia pre-loaded with the infinite ammo of Spanish, style, salsa skills, willingness to approach, game, and physique - you will be slaying Latinas like you were playing on GOD mode.
When I read these detailed descriptions of guys on this forum dealing with unnecessarily way over the top harsh rejections and girls with bad attitudes stateside, my immediate thought is that dating here is like being stuck playing an awful video game where the gameplay is not enjoyable, the amount of grinding required to get a reward is not worthwhile, and the rewards you do manage to get are mediocre at best.
Speakeasy said:
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"One of the worst things about this all is trying to explain it to friends here who have never traveled. It's like trying to explain water to a fish. They just don't know what you're talking about. They think a girl is feminine just by default of being born a woman. I know guys that actually ENJOY talking to masculine, sarcastic ball-busting women and think she has "spunk" and "personality" because they've never experienced anything other than that. When I try to explain why such women aren't worth the effort they have no concept of what I'm talking about. It's a lonely feeling sometimes."
Every time I write about going to Colombia and come back raving about my experiences there, I encourage readers to go travel and see what's out there if they haven't before. I can write the most detailed reports possible but it can't possibly convey the feeling of what interacting with feminine girls is like - girls with a baseline level of behavior and attitudes that are significantly different from the baseline of American girls.
slubu described one of his girls:
Quote:Quote:
"But even she doesn't compare to what I had, or could have, abroad. The quality there is just higher both aesthetically and substantively, in terms of what exists and more appropriate to this conversation, what I can pull. Looking back I don't realize how good I had it in Ukraine and Moscow this past summer. It didn't really register with me until now why when I brought that Russian girl who was visiting me to thedude's work in LA, he had thereaction he did while I was almost just content with the situation, having been used to it for so long the past summer."
This is another example from another member playing the game in a location other than the USA where the game is actually fun, the girls are easier to get, and the quality of the girls you get are higher.
What I want to emphasize again to people who have never traveled before is that what we are dealing with stateside with American girls is INSANE! People are talking about figuring out macro solutions, grassroots movements to rebel and fight back against bad behavior, contemplating whether it's worth it, using anger to get motivated - these things do not sound fun at all! It sounds more like people are preparing for guerilla warfare. This simply does not seem like a good use of our precious time on Earth.
For a guy and a girl to hook up, the guy has to choose the girl, and the girl has to choose the guy. It's pretty clear that there are areas outside the USA where the thing that we want - girls - is better in every sense. What hasn't really been discussed much is the fact that in certain foreign sexual markets, to these girls that we would like to hook up with, we are very appealing just by being who we are! Oftentimes, we are already pre-selected. We just need to show up. This is like the equivalent of having fame in the USA except it's a lot easier to be yourself and show up than it is to become famous. I'll give specific examples of how we can be pre-selected by women, and contrast it with the way we evaluate and select women as men. I'll use my experiences from Cali, Colombia:
1. For various reasons, some girls there do not like local Colombian guys and prefer foreigners. The flavor of Colombian dudes that they typically encounter is unappealing to these women.
I recall a conversation with a very sweet and beautiful young Calena whose boyfriend had become an acquaintance. She was with a group of 2 other hot friends and they too had American boyfriends.
StarcraftGG: Tu y tus amigas... prefieren extranjeros?
Calena: Si, por supuesto!
StarcraftGG: Hmm. No te gustan Calenos?
Calena: <mood turns visibly angry> Calenos son perros, feos, mentirosos etc. etc. etc.
This is no different than what many of us men here do with American girls. American girl? Disqualified! Foreign girl? Excellent!
Understand that these American guys didn't have to do anything special - just by virtue of not being Caleno they were rated more highly by certain girls.
2. The way we talk can be very sexy to them. This goes for our English, and our accented Spanish (despite the fact that our level of Spanish might be very low)
A dude described for me the way he met his first girlfriend (very hot girl) after moving to Cali. It was one night at a club and after dancing salsa with a girl, he struggled with talking to her so he got her number. He followed up, they met somewhere and wound up talking for hours despite his pitiful level of Spanish - the girl showed enormous patience and put up with the language barrier - they doodled on napkins, used a dictionary at times, etc. She loved his accent and loved hearing him talk.
If I meet a hot girl but there's a language barrier (she speaks a very low level of English) it's not off-putting and I'm certainly happier to deal with a sexy Latina accent than I would be listening to the whiny-nagging American accent I'm so accustomed to stateside. In fact, it's a breath of fresh air.
This is another example of us not having to actively DO anything - we just show up, open our mouths, there's the accent, and bonus points for us being us.
3. We're exotic simply by being foreigners. The merriam-Webster definition of exotic is: very different, strange, or unusual. Many Calenas find Americans (especially Caucasians) to be exotic. They normally interact with Spanish-speaking dark-haired Calenos and then they meet you - an American man with a different style, mentality, race, and accent - bonus novelty points for you!
This is no different from what can happen to us here - we're used to our American girls with their flip flops, sweatpants, and accent but one day we meet a pretty girl visiting from the Ukraine with a sexy accent, heels, form-fitting clothing, and no phone - it's time to go and get a flag!
Again, we don't have to do anything except show up.
4. Machismo - if you don't understand this concept, then please look it up. It's prevalent in Colombia and from what was explained to me by various Calenas, there are Calenas that don't like it. They feel mistreated and unwanted by their men who have too much machismo. They want to be treated like a lady and are receptive to decency, manners, politeness, romantic gestures and compliments (insecurity on the part of the girl is usually a part of this).
The opposite of the macho man is the nice guy - as you know, America has tons of these. In Colombia however, this species of man is uncommon from what I am able to gather. I remember my first time with a Colombian girl - I was being aloof and trying not to be lovey-dovey and she called me out on it and called me "frio" which means cold. When I warmed up, so did she.
Another example was with a girl who was not really opening up to me and I was about to give up on so I decided to open the floodgates and express my true feelings while posturing to walk away as an experiment to see where it would go - I compared being with her to what I deal with back in America and told her how I can go out many nights and not meet a beautiful warm and wonderful girl like her, and that even though I guess we're not meant to be together, our time together was very special, and I will remember it fondly. I would not even begin to think of using such a tactic on an American girl but on the Calena, it worked massively!
There was some game understanding behind this by being willing to walk away voluntarily when faced with undesirable behavior but the underlying fact is that I was rewarded for being an emotional nice guy! Like Roosh in EE, I am rewarded for being a nice guy in Cali.
--------------------------------------------------
Compare the possibilities above with what the average male deals with here in the USA with what he could be dealing with in Cali.
USA: learn game and re-invent yourself while struggling mightily to find a decent feminine girl while wasting time sorting through an insufferable number of bitches with delusional high esteem
Cali: show up and find yourself surrounded by significantly higher quality women - many that give you bonus points for being who you already are
Now, I'm not saying that you can just step off the plane to find girls throwing themselves at you, or that game is not needed. What I am trying to convey is that no matter what your situation as a male - beta to master PUA - there are locations in the world where things are just more in your favor. For people who are willing improve themselves, get yourself to Colombia pre-loaded with the infinite ammo of Spanish, style, salsa skills, willingness to approach, game, and physique - you will be slaying Latinas like you were playing on GOD mode.
Epic thread!
While many in this thread point the finger at cell phones, instagram and other social media trends to help explain the growing bitchiness of women in the US I dont think that is the biggest reason.
In my opinion the inflated egos,entitlement and bitchiness of women in the US, who are not even hot, are the result of men showering attention to any female, even plain janes, who are not fat/obese.
Its cant just be a coincidence that this trend of bitchiness of North American women is growing right along side with overweight/obesity rates. Today any non fat girl in the US is getting so much male attention that they can let their personalities and attitudes go to shit since it has not affecting their ability to get guys.
While many in this thread point the finger at cell phones, instagram and other social media trends to help explain the growing bitchiness of women in the US I dont think that is the biggest reason.
In my opinion the inflated egos,entitlement and bitchiness of women in the US, who are not even hot, are the result of men showering attention to any female, even plain janes, who are not fat/obese.
Its cant just be a coincidence that this trend of bitchiness of North American women is growing right along side with overweight/obesity rates. Today any non fat girl in the US is getting so much male attention that they can let their personalities and attitudes go to shit since it has not affecting their ability to get guys.
Game/red pill article links
"Chicks dig power, men dig beauty, eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap, men are expendable, women are perishable." - Heartiste
I don't think its productive to think about this stuff.
Its better to just move. No point in polluting your mind with negativity.
Its better to just move. No point in polluting your mind with negativity.
I've never been to America, but I've met my share of American girls abroad. Even if some of them were totally bangable, I got turned off immedeatly when they opened their mouths. The look is not always the worst, it's the attitude!
Speaking louldy, asking stupid questions, swearing and bragging. Nothing feminime can be found in that.
It's not hard to understand why a lot of guys here are complaining.
Speaking louldy, asking stupid questions, swearing and bragging. Nothing feminime can be found in that.
It's not hard to understand why a lot of guys here are complaining.
Thread of the year!
Yes!!! And this thread has served that purpose for me, personally. I posted in the Game section asking about Day Game in Australia recently, but wanted to post something up about larger trends. Reading about the RVF guys' experiences in America - very important as you guys have serious good game, I've only heard similar from regular blue-pill guys down here - is like the same description of the SMP down in Australia.
I was reading my old Game training logs from 7 years ago and comparing them to now. I've improved myself massively: making 3x as much dough, going from skinny fat to lean & muscular, becoming an incredible dancer, having a wealth of knowledge and social skills, learning a new language etc. yet in the past I could get more results from far less. It's ridiculously harder now for me with local Australian girls, while the foreign girls I've been with think I'm the most interesting man they've met. I don't consider myself advanced or anything, but compared to the guys in my UMC social circle, I might as well be a Game guru. I thought I was going crazy that despite my improvements, my Game has got worse...
I don't mind hard work, and would push myself more if I have to. The problem is the negative energy women put out there just drains and tires me, as people here have said. I see a girl, begin my approach and it's all down hill from there. As VinceVenturi noted earlier, it's like a race to try to fuck her as quickly as possible before the inevitability of either her ADHD taking over and finding a new shinier object, or me losing my appetite for her because her attitude is unbearable. Frankly, as I'm now 31, I feel that it's a huge waste of my most valuable resource: time.
My recent STR is French (small town girl) and has just gone back to her country a few weeks earlier. I don't have any oneitis for her, but compared to the girls I run into here, she's simply incredible. Sexytime aside, I actually enjoy spending time with her. She's classy, super pleasant, always lifts me up with her femininity regardless of how tired or in a bad mood I am. Everything I did with her was just easy and stress-free, from the moment we met. There was no BS flake or stupid pointless shit test, I play the natural role of a man, she a woman. If I have to work even harder to improve myself to get girls, I want that kind of girls. Oh guess what, she has a bomb of a phone (very old nokia brick) - super unusual for any woman under 50, and one in a million for someone who's just 25. Also has solid relationship with a strong father. Unfortunately, her host family (she worked as a nanny) bought her a smart phone (among other things) as a goodbye present... so there goes my last good girl lol
Going to add French and Russian to my list of languages... (learning Spanish atm)
Quote: (04-23-2014 11:42 PM)runsonmagic Wrote:
After reading this thread in full, I feel like a major purpose of this forum is to confirm that we're not all going goddamn crazy.
Yes!!! And this thread has served that purpose for me, personally. I posted in the Game section asking about Day Game in Australia recently, but wanted to post something up about larger trends. Reading about the RVF guys' experiences in America - very important as you guys have serious good game, I've only heard similar from regular blue-pill guys down here - is like the same description of the SMP down in Australia.
I was reading my old Game training logs from 7 years ago and comparing them to now. I've improved myself massively: making 3x as much dough, going from skinny fat to lean & muscular, becoming an incredible dancer, having a wealth of knowledge and social skills, learning a new language etc. yet in the past I could get more results from far less. It's ridiculously harder now for me with local Australian girls, while the foreign girls I've been with think I'm the most interesting man they've met. I don't consider myself advanced or anything, but compared to the guys in my UMC social circle, I might as well be a Game guru. I thought I was going crazy that despite my improvements, my Game has got worse...
I don't mind hard work, and would push myself more if I have to. The problem is the negative energy women put out there just drains and tires me, as people here have said. I see a girl, begin my approach and it's all down hill from there. As VinceVenturi noted earlier, it's like a race to try to fuck her as quickly as possible before the inevitability of either her ADHD taking over and finding a new shinier object, or me losing my appetite for her because her attitude is unbearable. Frankly, as I'm now 31, I feel that it's a huge waste of my most valuable resource: time.
My recent STR is French (small town girl) and has just gone back to her country a few weeks earlier. I don't have any oneitis for her, but compared to the girls I run into here, she's simply incredible. Sexytime aside, I actually enjoy spending time with her. She's classy, super pleasant, always lifts me up with her femininity regardless of how tired or in a bad mood I am. Everything I did with her was just easy and stress-free, from the moment we met. There was no BS flake or stupid pointless shit test, I play the natural role of a man, she a woman. If I have to work even harder to improve myself to get girls, I want that kind of girls. Oh guess what, she has a bomb of a phone (very old nokia brick) - super unusual for any woman under 50, and one in a million for someone who's just 25. Also has solid relationship with a strong father. Unfortunately, her host family (she worked as a nanny) bought her a smart phone (among other things) as a goodbye present... so there goes my last good girl lol
Going to add French and Russian to my list of languages... (learning Spanish atm)
To bring some light to this thread..
There are definitely some cool girls out here. Attractive, feminine, cool personalities. The problem is that they are much more scarce and the girls mentioned here in this thread are much more abundant.
There are definitely some cool girls out here. Attractive, feminine, cool personalities. The problem is that they are much more scarce and the girls mentioned here in this thread are much more abundant.
Quote: (04-24-2014 08:34 AM)Nascimento Wrote:
To bring some light to this thread..
There are definitely some cool girls out here. Attractive, feminine, cool personalities. The problem is that they are much more scarce and the girls mentioned here in this thread are much more abundant.
But there is a confluence of circumstances that are incredibly corrosive to the availability of that good girl, namely:
1) the huge competition from well-fed, educated, huge, hard-working, basically honest and genial American men 18-~40--what I abbreviate as YoungTallCool YTC. It really would be better to call it YoungTallSuperproofed; "super proofed" being a proxy for fame or other strong social proof. but it has too many syllables lol.
2) The comparative huge lack of women 18-30 who aren't fat, totally focused on money and career, or already taken by a YTC
3) The high percentage of genial, smart, pretty 18-26 year olds totally focused on money and career.
Notice the age ranges aren't the same, and of course no one can or should go after girls 16-18, ever. I'm sure we all agree.
This limits the dating pool even MORE. The effect is non-linear.
Game can work but its effects tend to be temporary as a girl constantly re-evaluates her Genetic Market Value.
For a big subset of guys, searching for a 7+ in the USA is like being 5'9" or even 6'1" and wanting to play in the NBA. There's really nothing wrong with you, but no matter what you do you are basically blown out before you start. In actual basketball terms, you would never, ever be allowed to start, except for a few seconds in some open call training camp.
When even a world-acknowledged expert like Roosh (6'3" too I understand!!) decides to go to EE, and loses his temper at some fat cow when he comes back here.. you know there's something really amiss.
Excepting those with relative fame, you generally MUST have 2/3 out of YoungTallSuperproofed or you do not get a LTR with a 7+.
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For a big subset of guys, searching in the USA is like being 5'9" and playing in the NBA. There's really nothing wrong with you, but no matter what you do you are basically blown out before you start. In actual basketball terms, you would never, ever be allowed to start, except for a few seconds in some open call training camp.
Umm..No. You think that as an excuse for your other problems.
^^ I agree, but,
You see a lot of these YTC with less than they deserve. Male 8's and 9's with girls that are 5's and 6's, maybe 7's.
The only guys getting the top shelf of girls (not just attractiveness) are the top 5%, and that's not just looks and money but game.
Personally, I don't believe in a 10, so the highest quality of a girl is a 9.5. I'm lucky to come across a girl like this once in a month, so measuring how attainable 9's are to me are unrealistic.
That still leave's 6's, 7's, and 8's. A 6 I wouldn't see more than for a ONS. And there are still many girls in the 18-25 bracket that are 7's and 8's. Of course, every man has a different scale, but each has their respective 7, and no man is disappointed with that, whether it's just for a bang or a cool girl you want to spend some time around. If you're picky or have had you're fair share of 7's that's ok because there are still 8's around, although harder and less common of course.
But I digress. What I'm trying to say is that to be attainable to 7's and 8's that means you just have to be in the top 20% of men competing for them. Generally guys up to 30, because very few guys above that age stand a chance of competing for these girls (consider that most guys above 30 in this part of the world are overweight and haven't sobered approached a girl once in their life). Thankfully I've met several RVF guys at this point above this age and all of them are setting examples and doing very well for themselves.
Competition with other guys can be tough, but again, you just have to be in the top 20%. I guess it kind of depends where you are too. If you are in LA it's harder I imagine to be in that bracket, since more guys have money and game. But still, most guys as we know are average.
On any given club night I go out around the Toronto area I can tell you I'm almost always in that top 20%. It's not hard to be. Despite me working against guys that are of a better age in their mid 20's, guys that are taller since I'm quite short, guys with money etc.
I approach, I take care of myself, I can spit decent game. You combine these 3 and in most places I would imagine in NA you are already in the top 20%..
Of course, from there you improve yourself even further. If you are in the top 5% of guys (which is very possible, not only situation dependent but also in general) the higher quality girls will be much more available to you. It's probably the top 2% and higher which is extremely difficult to achieve no matter how much money you make or game you build up. There will always be guys with more than you, but that's ok.
I might be rambling a bit.. But if there's one point I'm trying to make is that we know the importance of being above average.. Take it a step further, and improve yourself past your edge, not only be in the top 20% (which is easy) but also aim to be in that top 5%.
More quality girls will be available to you. And despite there being much less quality as a percentage compared to countries abroad, you can still do well. And besides, if you are top 5% here when you go abroad you will absolutely kill and have your pick of the lot.
I think we are also lucky we don't have to compete against latinos here. The guys here have money over game usually and that is our competition, but if it were the other way around every guy at least had decent game, it would constantly be a war out there..
My insight here is based on my short experience so far, since I am still young, but I believe I can also make some of these claims because I've hanged out extensively with a few select guys older than myself and with very strong game, logistics and such, that at least in my area place themselves among top 3% of guys.
You see a lot of these YTC with less than they deserve. Male 8's and 9's with girls that are 5's and 6's, maybe 7's.
The only guys getting the top shelf of girls (not just attractiveness) are the top 5%, and that's not just looks and money but game.
Personally, I don't believe in a 10, so the highest quality of a girl is a 9.5. I'm lucky to come across a girl like this once in a month, so measuring how attainable 9's are to me are unrealistic.
That still leave's 6's, 7's, and 8's. A 6 I wouldn't see more than for a ONS. And there are still many girls in the 18-25 bracket that are 7's and 8's. Of course, every man has a different scale, but each has their respective 7, and no man is disappointed with that, whether it's just for a bang or a cool girl you want to spend some time around. If you're picky or have had you're fair share of 7's that's ok because there are still 8's around, although harder and less common of course.
But I digress. What I'm trying to say is that to be attainable to 7's and 8's that means you just have to be in the top 20% of men competing for them. Generally guys up to 30, because very few guys above that age stand a chance of competing for these girls (consider that most guys above 30 in this part of the world are overweight and haven't sobered approached a girl once in their life). Thankfully I've met several RVF guys at this point above this age and all of them are setting examples and doing very well for themselves.
Competition with other guys can be tough, but again, you just have to be in the top 20%. I guess it kind of depends where you are too. If you are in LA it's harder I imagine to be in that bracket, since more guys have money and game. But still, most guys as we know are average.
On any given club night I go out around the Toronto area I can tell you I'm almost always in that top 20%. It's not hard to be. Despite me working against guys that are of a better age in their mid 20's, guys that are taller since I'm quite short, guys with money etc.
I approach, I take care of myself, I can spit decent game. You combine these 3 and in most places I would imagine in NA you are already in the top 20%..
Of course, from there you improve yourself even further. If you are in the top 5% of guys (which is very possible, not only situation dependent but also in general) the higher quality girls will be much more available to you. It's probably the top 2% and higher which is extremely difficult to achieve no matter how much money you make or game you build up. There will always be guys with more than you, but that's ok.
I might be rambling a bit.. But if there's one point I'm trying to make is that we know the importance of being above average.. Take it a step further, and improve yourself past your edge, not only be in the top 20% (which is easy) but also aim to be in that top 5%.
More quality girls will be available to you. And despite there being much less quality as a percentage compared to countries abroad, you can still do well. And besides, if you are top 5% here when you go abroad you will absolutely kill and have your pick of the lot.
I think we are also lucky we don't have to compete against latinos here. The guys here have money over game usually and that is our competition, but if it were the other way around every guy at least had decent game, it would constantly be a war out there..
My insight here is based on my short experience so far, since I am still young, but I believe I can also make some of these claims because I've hanged out extensively with a few select guys older than myself and with very strong game, logistics and such, that at least in my area place themselves among top 3% of guys.
Quote: (04-24-2014 08:56 AM)el mechanico Wrote:
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For a big subset of guys, searching in the USA is like being 5'9" and playing in the NBA. There's really nothing wrong with you, but no matter what you do you are basically blown out before you start. In actual basketball terms, you would never, ever be allowed to start, except for a few seconds in some open call training camp.
Umm..No. You think that as an excuse for your other problems.
To some degree you're right. I'm introverted-- and the ultimate sin being old. I could have killed it in my 30s if I was much more aggressive.
That may be the most important, more positive message for most guys here.
But if it's all me, why is (SortofYoung)TallCool Roosh having problems here? Why did I do well in the Phils?
You're been very helpful in many posts, as well as taking the time and effort to offer advice in PMs and I'm not criticizing you, just saying you're not at all average from what I can surmise.
I especially liked your "eliminate convenience from your life" post about doing things to increase random contact.
But from what I've seen, you're a kind of unusually extroverted assertive guy --"I really know how to ruin someone's day"---- to the point of having your own successful biz, and real ability and willingness to get violent with your enemies. This is Alpha outlier shit.
But--I've learned a bit from you and am asserting myself here-- I posted pics of girls I was with in the Phils--
Let's see some anonymized pics of those Southern Fla. conquests. I bet we have different tastes-not judging.
You're in your 30s? Early 40s? and own your own car repair biz. I don't know anyone with a functioning repair shop that's not a millionaire. You keep it quiet and subtle, sure. But if you have two employees you're sometimes making 2.5K per day. And you're too smart to be a coke addict.
No one deserves pussy. And certainly no one deserves high quality pussy. If I'm an 8, why the hell would I bang you when I have better options? It's just nonsense guys. You work out, dress well? So what? When you're a female 8 those are the BASE qualifications you usually use to even let a dude in the door (at least from cold approach). There has to be some other value you bring. Talk to the average Philippino guy or the average Chinese guy...what kind of pussy is he getting and how much of it? Are they banging 10-15 girls/year? And here we come in with our white skin and our exotic Americanness and where money is no object, and it's easy peasy.
Why don't we bang nice and loyal 4's who are "good girls"? Because your dick won't work. How come no sympathy for them? Because fuck them, that's why. Same with average guys. In nature the most fit males get to mate, and the other guys get nothing. We are not so far removed from nature. Do guys really believe that merely by being average and basically normal you are therefore entitled to the fittest girls? I think our species might die out if that were the way human mating worked.
In countries where there is wage parity between men and women (US, Canada, EU, Australia), being financially successful is not an initial attractant. If you can stomach the personalities of certain American girls, you need other ways to get in their pants.
Also, it is easy to throw out the term "American girls," but really this should be regionally based: DC girls, NYC girls, etc.. DC is a self-selecting pool of people, both men and women, that tends to attract women that on average do not possess many of the traits that we value (charm, femininity, pleasantness). Girls in New Orleans, the time I was there, were extremely approachable and friendly (I crashed a party with some friends and it was all good). In DC there would be problems and snootiness.
Why don't we bang nice and loyal 4's who are "good girls"? Because your dick won't work. How come no sympathy for them? Because fuck them, that's why. Same with average guys. In nature the most fit males get to mate, and the other guys get nothing. We are not so far removed from nature. Do guys really believe that merely by being average and basically normal you are therefore entitled to the fittest girls? I think our species might die out if that were the way human mating worked.
In countries where there is wage parity between men and women (US, Canada, EU, Australia), being financially successful is not an initial attractant. If you can stomach the personalities of certain American girls, you need other ways to get in their pants.
Also, it is easy to throw out the term "American girls," but really this should be regionally based: DC girls, NYC girls, etc.. DC is a self-selecting pool of people, both men and women, that tends to attract women that on average do not possess many of the traits that we value (charm, femininity, pleasantness). Girls in New Orleans, the time I was there, were extremely approachable and friendly (I crashed a party with some friends and it was all good). In DC there would be problems and snootiness.
This thread motivates the hell out of me. There are some major gems in here.
This thread makes me glad that my one way ticket out of North America is booked for Tuesday.
I'm the King of Beijing!
Epic thread indeed! It should be made a sticky and specially, the way Roosh out that ugly count n her place should be made viral so that more guys put these cunts in their place.
It's no better here in Canada than what you guys have to face in the US. We all know of the world class reputation of Boretown aka Toronto, which would make even a place like DC seem like a haven of sexy sweet girls. Even here in western Canada, it's starting to show its ugly head. Girls going out just to turn guys down and get a free night out of them. I see guys buying them drinks left and right. Guys who have way more money than brain, let alone game literally throwing money at these spoilt bitched.
I go out at times here just to have drinks with friends and witnessing all this dance of thirsty betas falling after themselves to thrown money at here girls is funny yet sad. It really saddens me when I see a fit and good looking guy with a land whale with the attitude of a sailor. I wish there was a way to reach out to these guys who are cruelly short changing themselves.
I don't even bother with girls here unless they are foreigners.
Contrast that to the sweetness of the foreign girls, specially Filipinas who always blow my mind as they're always caring, loving, sweet and feminine in ways that white girls wouldn't even know existed.
As to the question posed by a few in here as to whether it is worth it here in NA to go through all these hoops, to be a walking entertainer clown for these spoilt self entitled cunts with the IQ of a chimpanzee, the answer, for me, is a resounding and big fat HELL NO!!!
The ROI is infinitely greater in both quality, quantity and content outside of this feminazi shit hole that NA and the Anglosphere in general has decayed into.
Better and much more efficient game plan is to focus on bettering yourself, not for girls, but for improving your own quality of life. With or without these spoilt kids aka girls in here. Work on yourself, learn a skill or trade, preferably one that is portable or at least usable overseas, build a decent capital to buy yourself at least 2-3 years of living expense in say Asia, LA or EE. And once there, use that time to get something going biz wise while enjoying a quality if life with the calibre of girls that you truly want. And can only dream about in the Anglosphere: classy, feminine, sweet, slim yet smart with which you can have interesting conversations.
All in all, it's a sinking ship where it's not worth it. Leave before you can. Wouldn't be surprised if in a few years, the gubmint along with feminazi laws make it illegal for men to travel overseas alone without their land whale.
It's no better here in Canada than what you guys have to face in the US. We all know of the world class reputation of Boretown aka Toronto, which would make even a place like DC seem like a haven of sexy sweet girls. Even here in western Canada, it's starting to show its ugly head. Girls going out just to turn guys down and get a free night out of them. I see guys buying them drinks left and right. Guys who have way more money than brain, let alone game literally throwing money at these spoilt bitched.
I go out at times here just to have drinks with friends and witnessing all this dance of thirsty betas falling after themselves to thrown money at here girls is funny yet sad. It really saddens me when I see a fit and good looking guy with a land whale with the attitude of a sailor. I wish there was a way to reach out to these guys who are cruelly short changing themselves.
I don't even bother with girls here unless they are foreigners.
Contrast that to the sweetness of the foreign girls, specially Filipinas who always blow my mind as they're always caring, loving, sweet and feminine in ways that white girls wouldn't even know existed.
As to the question posed by a few in here as to whether it is worth it here in NA to go through all these hoops, to be a walking entertainer clown for these spoilt self entitled cunts with the IQ of a chimpanzee, the answer, for me, is a resounding and big fat HELL NO!!!
The ROI is infinitely greater in both quality, quantity and content outside of this feminazi shit hole that NA and the Anglosphere in general has decayed into.
Better and much more efficient game plan is to focus on bettering yourself, not for girls, but for improving your own quality of life. With or without these spoilt kids aka girls in here. Work on yourself, learn a skill or trade, preferably one that is portable or at least usable overseas, build a decent capital to buy yourself at least 2-3 years of living expense in say Asia, LA or EE. And once there, use that time to get something going biz wise while enjoying a quality if life with the calibre of girls that you truly want. And can only dream about in the Anglosphere: classy, feminine, sweet, slim yet smart with which you can have interesting conversations.
All in all, it's a sinking ship where it's not worth it. Leave before you can. Wouldn't be surprised if in a few years, the gubmint along with feminazi laws make it illegal for men to travel overseas alone without their land whale.
Come down to 14th and Q St. There are about four places down here that still attract the small roving only go to the hotspot crowd. Lucky for me, I live a block away.
Barcelona, Le Diplomatte, Doi Moi, etc
Barcelona, Le Diplomatte, Doi Moi, etc
Main issues in the US listed below:
1- Girls are not put in their place when cock blocking, attention whoring etc.
2- The acceptance of homosexuality. This has lead to an increase in DL lesbians that befriend girls and have a "girls night out".
We all know the power of alcohol. I know numerous girls that sleep with all of their "girlfriends." They recruit news ones every few month. Girls make friends fast with each other.
There are many other reasons for the decline of the US for a player.
This doesn't mean that you won't get laid. You will get laid. You will marry if you want to as well.
The main problem I have is that in a year I have gotten around 25 lays with an average of 5.5 quality women. If I was back home, with just half the effort I would've probably achieved 100 bangs with an average of 6.5 quality.
The point I am making is.
If you can kill in the US, you will be KING anywhere else.
1- Girls are not put in their place when cock blocking, attention whoring etc.
2- The acceptance of homosexuality. This has lead to an increase in DL lesbians that befriend girls and have a "girls night out".
We all know the power of alcohol. I know numerous girls that sleep with all of their "girlfriends." They recruit news ones every few month. Girls make friends fast with each other.
There are many other reasons for the decline of the US for a player.
This doesn't mean that you won't get laid. You will get laid. You will marry if you want to as well.
The main problem I have is that in a year I have gotten around 25 lays with an average of 5.5 quality women. If I was back home, with just half the effort I would've probably achieved 100 bangs with an average of 6.5 quality.
The point I am making is.
If you can kill in the US, you will be KING anywhere else.
Quote: (04-25-2014 02:11 AM)PocketAA Wrote:
Main issues in the US listed below:
1- Girls are not put in their place when cock blocking, attention whoring etc.
2- The acceptance of homosexuality. This has lead to an increase in DL lesbians that befriend girls and have a "girls night out".
1. If a girl acted the way an American girls acts in maaany other countries, she'd get bitch slapped so fast she wouldn't know what hit her.
Not only that, but the surrounding men would applaud the man for putting her back into her place.
In the US, not only can you NOT show a girl that her behavior is unacceptable, if you so much as breathe on her too hard, you'll have the whole bar ready to kick your ass, cuz you know uh, she's a girl so she's a protected species. Much like the humpback whale.
I'm reminded of a scene in Mad Men where there's a party at Don's house. And one of the little kids bumps into one of the adults. The adult smacks him hard. Then the actual father of the kid comes over. You're expecting the father to get angry that another guy hit *his* son. But instead he makes his son apologize to the other man and they go back to drinking.
It takes a village to raise our children. And likewise it takes a village to keep both men and women polarized in their proper natural roles. It's because we no longer live in small, interdependent communities that there's such a detachment from any responsibility to our brothers and sisters.
Try pulling shit and acting loco in your jiu jitsu club. Or on your basketball team. Or in any unofficial group whose rules aren't dictated by arbitrary outside (governmental) laws. You won't last long.
2. Acceptance of homosexuality is one thing. Do what the hell you want behind closed doors.
But if you've ever lived in a place like San Francisco or New York, the fruitcakes want to rub their fabulousness in your face every chance they get. They eye fuck you on the street, which would get them a vicious beat down even just 20 years ago. They want holidays and special protections. They're attention whores, most of them.
Like Louis CK said, some gay guys are just guys into fucking guys. And some gay guys are ostentatious attention-seekers who want to be recognized, idolized and elevated above heterosexual men with the stamp of approval from society and the legal system. They want validation of their special-ness from all corners.
"1. If a girl acted the way an American girls acts in maaany other countries, she'd get bitch slapped so fast she wouldn't know what hit her."
^I had a student from Brazil who said this as well. What countries specifically? Living in the US and never having left NA, this sounds like a fantasy land. Can there really be countries where men can be men and not be made to feel bad about it?
^I had a student from Brazil who said this as well. What countries specifically? Living in the US and never having left NA, this sounds like a fantasy land. Can there really be countries where men can be men and not be made to feel bad about it?
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