[Blackwell]

Have come to expect nothing less than this from McQueen. The guys one of the premier leaders of the whole movement. It's the truth.

'I want to be the best. The absolute best. Cannot even define it beyond that.'

All or Nothing, I feel exactly that. It's like some sort of internal drive mechanism but like you said you can't even really define it. When did this intangible become present to you? As in was there an age, an event or something that brought you to a place where you could consciously process this feeling? Or do you feel it's something innate, maybe something you've carried since you were a child?

[WestCoast]

Yeah I really don't like it when people put words in my mouth.

Straight up I already answered the "VS model" example --> see scenario 99% of people will never ever touch becuase you need to have a sick lifestyle to go to the top. Also see scenario that will not happen on a day to day basis unless you already built your lifestyle up ie: big blocks go first.

In that case point blank in the USA the equalizer is not game.

It is looks/power. Of those two? Power will win 999/1000 because status > game at that level and don't let anyone sell you some "PUA dream" that "anyone can get a model!"

I will again, laugh in your face and close the computer down.

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That is where we are agreeing to disagree. Anyone who says I would choose to have some "game" when I am already getting access is simply tripping. If you have the power in the situation you'll always get the chick. So I would choose to have the most power (whatever that means in the situation, - LA movie star, the pro ball player, she will always choose the top person based on the ranking because to build a sick lifestyle you already have a baseline of game) every single time and you're a fool if you choose "game" just becuase you have access.

Seen too many ugly ballers with 9s to even debate this.

I only jumped in to reiterate my point because again I have seen it first hand and I don't like it when people say something I have not.

Don't believe this nonsense lie that "game" is what makes the difference it is laughable at best.

If you seriously believe "any average guy can get a model consistently!" I am just going to lose respect. DistantLight is the best example on here, he has extreme access similar to McQueen and what has he been focusing all his time on? Trying to get that lifestyle game up! Should be a dead giveaway to focus on your life first.

So reiterate, not going to go back and forth but in any example, once you have a baseline of game the only fucking thing stopping you is lifestyle/power. Don't let anyone sell you some lie. To get access to these high end events you already have a baseline of game, don't let someone fool you into thinking you can simply gain access into these evens with aspengers as well.

Becoming great at game is not something I am interested in if it ruins my life, I will choose power every single time 100/100 because I know (having been in too many power situations) that's the only thing that would prevent me from going up the food chain.

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So good luck with the debate, but if you read my first rebuttal I will see you guys in 10 years. We'll get to decide what the right move is.

"What is everyone doing, it is probably a bad idea"

Lifestyle first and you can build your game off a measly 3 hours a week at the same time to become proficient then you simply use lifestyle to bang hotter chicks. Not complicated. Gaming 24/7 to rack up 100+ notches per year is just stupidity. It means you don't value your health and you don't value your time because we all know women are a time suck.

If you are not happy banging 10-20 chicks a year while building a ridiculously sick lifestyle you're an idiot. You should literally not have time to bang some crazy 100+ chicks or other such nonsense. (Unless you're a promoter or other such gigs where your job is to party of course - ie your job is giving you too many gaming opportunities... See lifestyle.

By the time you are 30 this is how you should be running "game".

You look at your phone and decide if you want to respond to a few girls you met last week during your day

You have a few regulars messaging you.

You only decide to replace chicks if you think they will be less of a headache and go back to more important stuff because.. Ass is last.

If that is not how your life is, you're definitely putting the pussy on the pedestal by choosing chicks to determine your entire time spent. If you have to spend more than 5 hours per week on dedicated game time you're definitely not doing it right (unless it is your job).

Verbatim text I just sent:

"I am only available Friday from 10pm -12am. See you then"

They should be desperately trying to lock you down/be part of your life. Not the other way around.

If that is not true by 30, you're far behind.

[Kieran]

I don't really understand the thinking that you need lifestyle to get access. I've been in venues where the rich and famous go, and honestly I can find equally attractive girls on the campus of my local university.

[WestCoast]

^ As you get older you're going to want better access I would re-read my post above you.

If you "have to set time to approach" every week your lifestyle is not in order. Your priorities are bad.

This means your lifestyle should naturally put you in front of women on a day to day basis. My example of gaming after a business dinner meeting is the perfect example. Already there, see some chick open win/lose go home was going to be there anyway. On the way to the airport etc.

Build a lifestyle in the future where you don't have to spend your time running dedicated game time. A lot of dedicated game time tells me this. Your time is not that valuable.

I no longer spend more than 2 hours a week on dedicated game time. I only game through my regular working life.

That is how it is done. If you want to dedicate 40+ hours a week I don't want your life by your 30s/40s.

At my age I literally turn down more dates/meet ups with bangable chicks than I actually attend. My time is expensive.

[reaper23]

"game" as it was first developed was meant to teach lesser men how to imitate greater men.

negging
rules about when and how to text
being playful and cocky
story weaving
convincing yourself you are the prize
acting like you don't care if they come or go

these were learned behaviors meant to imitate the behaviors of men who actually acted like that because their lives just reflected it

its called game for a reason

better to just BE the great man

the guys CMQ describes as being millionaires who can't get laid likely have social anxiety problems and other issues that make them flawed in someway. not good examples.

i had to learn over time that applying many of the game techniques to my life was creating too much dread, too much disinterest, too much push and not enough pull

i needed to be more beta, more open, more honest, more revealing, more effusive - because my underlying status and life already spoke for itself

[WestCoast]

^ spot on.

[Kieran]

(03-20-2014 08:25 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

^ As you get older you're going to want better access I would re-read my post above you.

If you "have to set time to approach" every week your lifestyle is not in order. Your priorities are bad.

This means your lifestyle should naturally put you in front of women on a day to day basis. My example of gaming after a business dinner meeting is the perfect example. Already there, see some chick open win/lose go home was going to be there anyway. On the way to the airport etc.

Build a lifestyle in the future where you don't have to spend your time running dedicated game time. A lot of dedicated game time tells me this. Your time is not that valuable.

I no longer spend more than 2 hours a week on dedicated game time. I only game through my regular working life.

That is how it is done. If you want to dedicate 40+ hours a week I don't want your life by your 30s/40s.

At my age I literally turn down more dates/meet ups with bangable chicks than I actually attend. My time is expensive.

I'm already 30, and I don't need to have set time to approach. I simply go out nearly every night because I like going out with my friends. I want to enjoy my life while I'm young. My life could be better, but not because I went out so much, but rather because I focused on boxing for the last 20 years to the detriment of everything else. If you want to spend your life working that's great, and I hope it goes well for you, but I doubt anyone that spent their twenties going out chasing girls looks back and wishes they'd spent it in the office.

[Samseau]

This is a classive Passive vs. Active Game thread.

You can't go without either.

Here's a great example of a guy with game, but no money or status, getting a smoking babe:

   

^ I took that photo when I was in NYC last Sept. She was all over him. I see great examples of guys with game pulling hot babes every time I visit NYC.

You probably don't see it much because you're too busy to notice.

And by the way Westcoast, no offense but not everyone's lifestyle is appealing to each other. For example, working so much you can't even find a time to meet a girl except between 10-12am on Friday sounds like a shit life to me.

You've got it wrong with time = money. It's time >= money. The simple reason is that time can be traded for money, but money cannot be traded for time. Furthermore, since we live in an inflationary regime, money is worth less over time. Time is ultimately more valuable than money.

If I were you, I'd be looking for an exit plan to whatever life is so busy you can't take a shit without stressing.

It's also pretty well established that a man's quality of life doesn't go up much past 70K. Once you get into the middle/upper middle class, money isn't going to do much for your happiness.

Thus I agree that lifestyle is one of the best ways to be happy, but I disagree that money is important for lifestyle. It's necessary to a point, but once you've got the necessities there's no point in earning more if you plan on remaining single and childless.

In fact, the only reason I can think of making mucho money is if you want a family. Otherwise there is none.

[WestCoast]

Lol. Man.

In my experience everyone who tells me I am "losing" my 20s is always always always a broke dude just trying to rationalize his bad decisions.

I have fucked well over a hundred chicks and yet my career is still improving.

If you guys are crazy enough to choose game I'll just laugh my way to the bank as your choice of leisure catches up to you over the next 10+ years.

Again it's not even a debate.

If you are spending more than 10 hours of your life per week running "game" I think you're nuts. You are stopping your life to pick up chicks. Unless it is your profession you're wasting massive amounts of time.

The implied message is always "you can't be hhhaaaappppppyyyyy if you have a careeeeeerrrr"

I just smile nod and laugh.

6 hours a week MAX of dedicated game time. If you can't bang 20 chicks a year off 6 hours of active work = legitimate social problems as reaper pointed out.

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Finally the fact that people think I am stressed out = clearly don't know anything about my profession.

I don't have time to meet a chick except in specific time frames because I have BETTER options. Ie: better things to do.

Shit I barely "work" 40 hours per week now and yet I don't have time to waste on chicks.

It's just straight trolling if you really think I am a stressed out person. I am actually the exact reverse personality type. Not a care in the world.

People on here just haven't met me and assume I am an "intense guy" when in reality I am a happy go lucky guy who has much better things to do than dedicate 20 hours to gaming chicks per week.

[Samseau]

(03-20-2014 09:28 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Lol. Man.

In my experience everyone who tells me I am "losing" my 20s is always always always a broke dude just trying to rationalize his bad decisions.

I have fucked well over a hundred chicks and yet my career is still improving.

If you guys are crazy enough to choose game I'll just laugh my way to the bank as your choice of leisure catches up to you over the next 10+ years.

Again it's not even a debate.

If you are spending more than 10 hours of your life per week running "game" I think you're nuts. You are stopping your life to pick up chicks. Unless it is your profession you're wasting massive amounts of time.

The implied message is always "you can't be hhhaaaappppppyyyyy if you have a careeeeeerrrr"

I just smile nod and laugh.

6 hours a week MAX of dedicated game time. If you can't bang 20 chicks a year off 6 hours of active work = legitimate social problems as reaper pointed out.

It takes less effort and money than you think to be able to live comfortably and leisurely. I'm not saying you can be a bum, but you definitely don't need to bust 100 hours per week.

That said, I'm not telling you what to do. I'm just merely pointing out that one man's ideal life is another man's ideal hell.

[WestCoast]

I don't work those hours at all anymore I edited and stated above.

40-50 hours of real career work per week only on weekdays. I never do career work weekends.

Yet I don't have time to meet chicks for more than a few hours a week. Hint hint guys. You need to have other things to do where you're improving your life and meeting chicks at the same time.

"But he must beee soooo intense, sooooo stressed out and soooo unhappppyyyy"

This is an argument made by hippies and pussies. Every time and is a complete lie.

Same stupid story, guys who want to rationalize their failures by saying they "decided" to live their current lives by denigrating the successful.

If person X's life is so great they wouldn't hate at all on a guy becoming a real man of success.

You want to work 120 hours a week I will tell you I for it chase your dreams.

Hippie weirdo loser will say "but you won't be haaapppyy"

It's laughable.

[Samseau]

(03-20-2014 09:35 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

I don't work those hours at all anymore I edited and stated above.

40-50 hours of real career work per week only on weekdays. I never do career work weekends.

Okay, now you're being reasonable. It wasn't clear from your posts what your hours were.

Quote:

Yet I don't have time to meet chicks for more than a few hours a week. Hint hint guys. You need to have other things to do where you're improving your life and meeting chicks at the same time.

"But he must beee soooo intense, sooooo stressed out and soooo unhappppyyyy"

This is an argument made by hippies and pussies. Every time and is a complete lie.

I'm not making retarded hippie arguments. That said, who cares how much time a man spends chasing girls? Leisure is leisure. It doesn't matter how you spend it, as long as you enjoy it. Drugs/girls/games/sports/etc. all just for pleasure.

[reaper23]

i crushed work in my 20's. and in my late 40's i wont even have to have a job.

i'm pretty content with that decision especially now in my late 30's the income i earn affords me to have the best logistics one could have in a big city, carefree decision making on where and what to eat and do, money for trips, new suits, and whatever the fuck else i want.

plus now i honestly work a legit 10-15 hours a week pulling money no one here would believe based on those hours.

investing in my career in my 20's was something i'll always thank myself for.

i learned game in my late 20's, which when added to my lifestyle, has given me all the pussy i can handle.

[WestCoast]

^ exactly on point.

You put the important blocks up first.

People don't get it. If you actually kill it in your career by the time you're in your 30s you're making a lot (3-500K) and you don't work more than 35-45 hours a week.

Traveling is a bitch but at least you have earned the right to have a valued opinion.

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Follow the right footsteps guys. You should have the cash to leave for a trip on any weekend you like, bring a girl along if you want, cut her off if you want etc.

That's what a life style does, hell I have been to 20 cities this year and it's not even April.

[worldwidetraveler]

(03-20-2014 09:41 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

I'm not making retarded hippie arguments. That said, who cares how much time a man spends chasing girls? Leisure is leisure. It doesn't matter how you spend it, as long as you enjoy it. Drugs/girls/games/sports/etc. all just for pleasure.

Same goes with how many hours a guy works. Most people think of work as bad because they were stupid enough to get trapped into a career that they hate.

I, personally, love what I do. I enjoy it because it challenges me in many different ways. I prefer being productive than smoking dope and playing video games like many guys seem to enjoy.

That is cool if that is all they want in life but those same guys tend to put down others that want more out of life and enjoy what they are doing. Hell, I don't even booze it up anymore because I hate the idea of losing days of being productive.

[WestCoast]

^ I agree.

If you have a career or business you like. It is not even work.

I don't wake up on Monday and say "woe is me"

I look in the mirror and say "shit I can't believe I get to do this again!"

Smiling.

[Samseau]

(03-20-2014 09:41 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

i crushed work in my 20's. and in my late 40's i wont even have to have a job.

i'm pretty content with that decision especially now in my late 30's the income i earn affords me to have the best logistics one could have in a big city, carefree decision making on where and what to eat and do, money for trips, new suits, and whatever the fuck else i want.

plus now i honestly work a legit 10-15 hours a week pulling money no one here would believe based on those hours.

investing in my career in my 20's was something i'll always thank myself for.

i learned game in my late 20's, which when added to my lifestyle, has given me all the pussy i can handle.

That's a fine way to do things. It's not the only way. There are many roads to success.

Before He Built Twitter, Jack Dorsey Applied for a Job at a Shoe Store. He Got Rejected.

I agree that in order to be successful, a man must do "hard time," but I disagree that this hard time must be for decades or whatever. You need to do the time in order to get established, but once there a little bit of effort each day will take you the rest of the way.

Sorta like bodybuilding. If you're a fatass, the first year will probably be hell. But once you've got a good body? 3-4 hours per week, max, at the gym to keep it nice.

[WestCoast]

^ this depends entirely on the industry and what your interests are.

A real business could take hundreds of hours per week before you get your break (high risk high reward because you don't know may never make a penny)

Others take 3-5 years until you are coasting.

The key is to find a career/business you like that is actually profitable. Everything else is a waste of time.

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FYI Jack Dorsey is a real bad example if you actually know his full background. They are just selling a pipe dream in that article.

[worldwidetraveler]

(03-20-2014 09:51 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

^ this depends entirely on the industry and what your interests are.

A real business could take hundreds of hours per week before you get your break (high risk high reward because you don't know may never make a penny)

Others take 3-5 years until you are coasting.

The key is to find a career/business you like that is actually profitable. Everything else is a waste of time.

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FYI Jack Dorsey is a real bad example if you actually know his full background. They are just selling a pipe dream in that article.

That reminds me of this one Internet Marketing guy that would boast about being retired and still making 10k a month because he did all this work ahead of time.

He wrote a lot of articles and that was his only source of fresh leads.

He ended up losing everything when Google changed their search results and now has to start from scratch. I felt bad for the guy but did try to tell him that things can change really quick and he could lose everything.

If you're talking about careers like IT, then you can never stop learning new technologies. You have to stay relevant.

Business wise, I can't imagine coasting unless I sold the business. It sounds like El Mech has his coasting now but I also remember him complaining about not being able to leave for very long.

[Samseau]

(03-20-2014 09:59 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(03-20-2014 09:51 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

^ this depends entirely on the industry and what your interests are.

A real business could take hundreds of hours per week before you get your break (high risk high reward because you don't know may never make a penny)

Others take 3-5 years until you are coasting.

The key is to find a career/business you like that is actually profitable. Everything else is a waste of time.

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FYI Jack Dorsey is a real bad example if you actually know his full background. They are just selling a pipe dream in that article.

That reminds me of this one Internet Marketing guy that would boast about being retired and still making 10k a month because he did all this work ahead of time.

He wrote a lot of articles and that was his only source of fresh leads.

He ended up losing everything when Google changed their search results and now has to start from scratch. I felt bad for the guy but did try to tell him that things can change really quick and he could lose everything.

If you're talking about careers like IT, then you can never stop learning new technologies. You have to stay relevant.

Business wise, I can't imagine coasting unless I sold the business. It sounds like El Mech has his coasting now but I also remember him complaining about not being able to leave for very long.

Yes. That is another huge problem. Coasting and remaining location dependent is actually not too difficult. Coasting and being location independent is incredibly difficult.

[worldwidetraveler]

(03-20-2014 10:04 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Yes. That is another huge problem. Coasting and remaining location dependent is actually not too difficult. Coasting and being location independent is incredibly difficult.

It is tough. He worked his ass off, for a long time, but he did have around 3 years where he hardly worked at all. At least for me, it wasn't a good deal to work that much and lose it all within 3 years.

I told the guy he should be looking into other traffic sources but he thought he had it all wrapped up. We are talking about 3 years so it wouldn't have been hard to put something else together even working 10 hours a week on it.

If he did, the change wouldn't have been so bad and probably could have been coasting more. He let the fires burned out instead of keeping them stoked.

[WestCoast]

^ yep.

That's why you ramp up the cash flow as fast as possible.

By the time you're in your 30s if you really played your cards right you will be coasting + location independent.

It's definitely not easy, nothing good ever is.

Simply put you may as well be coasting and location dependent to start then build out a portfolio of assets to make you location independent.

Then you're set.

The problem ? If you like your career and it is location dependent haha! In that case you just chill and wait to get laid off or structure a severance package when you no longer like it.

Big blocks first, big blocks first then worry about having multiple streams of cash flow.

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@wwt that story is scarily similar. To ones I have seen as well.

[worldwidetraveler]

(03-20-2014 10:10 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

@wwt that story is scarily similar. To ones I have seen as well.

Yeah, it is scary stuff but luckily we can learn from their mistakes. This guy wasn't too smart. His return on the amount of hours he put in was terrible.

Even with that said, he still managed to make 6 figures a year for quite a long time. It is achievable for guys on here if that is what they want.

If this idiot could do it using only hard work, a smart guy could easily do it. It just takes time to get the skills which brings us back to lifestyle. ha!

[WestCoast]

Yepppp...

And as you know once you have a few hundred Gs in the bank that basically starts acting as a cash flow hedge against your entire life.

Ie: give someone $500k and they can pretty much get by if their business falls apart. Or they can withstand a layoff etc.

Really everyone wants consistent cash flow that's what location independence means. This is significantly more valuable than any sort of crappy lines and rhymes haha.

Time = money. I don't want to leverage my time to get money, I want to leverage my money to get time

That's how your game changes, you got other more important things to do than be a drunken sailor 4 days a week.

[bacan]

(03-20-2014 09:13 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The simple reason is that time can be traded for money, but money cannot be traded for time.

Money can't be traded for time? WTF? Paying someone to do your laundry... Taking a taxi instead of a bus... Hiring someone to work for you...


I think that McQueen makes the point that lifestyle alone is not enough -- you need game -- but I don't think he makes the point that it's the great equalizer. It may be the case that game + looks is equal to money + status/power, but game alone < any combination of money, looks, status/power

I think West Coast makes the point that focusing on game alone is not only insufficient but a short-sighted plan for your future.

I agree - my opinion is that gaming the same girls that you've been able to bang for a while now has diminishing returns in terms of developing your knowledge of 'game' and is basically just entertainment/leisure as others have said. West Coast makes the good point that some of us might be spending too much of our youth on the leisurely pursuits of chasing girls and not enough time setting ourselves up for a cool future... (I think I'm personally making this mistake this weekend -- I have a lot of work to do, but instead I set up dates with 3-4 girls.) Maybe a few new notches will be nice, but what do I really gain? I already know how to fuck 7's and 8's .. it's just leisure now - not really "working on my game." In life you're either earning or you're spending .. Spending my valuable time and limited money to fuck a few more 7's and 8's is definitely the latter..

Besides, many of us want to be great men. Who can we read about that went down in history for fucking 300 7's? No one.. We should all strive to achieve something great and let the women come along for the ride...