[WestCoast]

hahaha if I was on a desktop I would send you a verbatim text I sent to a girl just now as well.

"I am going to be in X city, you can meet me and we'll hang out for the weekend. Otherwise I'll catch you another time"

Basically I told her straight up, I can't adjust my schedule for her. She has to adjust her schedule for me

That's how you want your life to look. They are just along for the ride and that is not a joke, literally I am going to be in city X, you come I will entertain and we can party + have a great time etc. If not? Oh well.

[Samseau]

Quote:

Money can't be traded for time? WTF? Paying someone to do your laundry... Taking a taxi instead of a bus... Hiring someone to work for you...

Only a time saver if you've already got the money.

But go and ask an old billionaire if he'd trade his money to be 25 again. Obviously time is more valuable than money.

[bacan]

Haha, uh... an old billionaire could spend his money to have three different girls blow him every day for the rest of his life?

Everyone wants to be back to go back in time and live their younger days over again.

A better question would be -- are you happy you're an old billionaire or would you rather have had your life peak at 30 and be a nobody today?

[WestCoast]

^ yes time is more valuable that's why you want to leverage your money to buy time.

Don't leverage your time to get money. That is the goal.

Life is short. Go and get your cash early and you can buy your freedom (35-death) if you play your cards right from 21-34.

[worldwidetraveler]

(03-20-2014 10:43 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote:

Money can't be traded for time? WTF? Paying someone to do your laundry... Taking a taxi instead of a bus... Hiring someone to work for you...

Only a time saver if you've already got the money.

But go and ask an old billionaire if he'd trade his money to be 25 again. Obviously time is more valuable than money.

I never understood that premise. Of course people would give their money to avoid death.

I would bet most of those guys would end up doing the same things that made them billions even if they were able to start over. Guys like that enjoy what they do so why would they change it?

[WestCoast]

^ yeah people don't get that idea.

They think that to become rich they must hate their careers/business or something.

Come on if they hated it they would just quit right? Hell they have the money.

Leverage money to get time. Never leverage time to get money over the long-term.

How valuable are you as a person that is how you win at life.

Chasing pussy first is ridiculous, and as I have stated several times in here. With a lifestyle you'll have hundreds of opportunities to run game in your day to day affairs. Unless you're a hermit.

[soup]

If you don't have a need for the money, you are wasting your time acquiring it.

[WestCoast]

^ talk to me in ten years.

Talk to me after you spent $10K for an expensive medical procedure. You added an extra 5 years of life for a family member/friend who helped you become who you are today (hopefully more years).

Something I have done.

You look at a person you care about dying go look in the mirror and tell me you're a big boy because you can't even help him. Nonsense.

Talk to me then and tell me how good you feel about yourself knowing you don't have the means to help anyone you care about.

Being poor is selfish

[bacan]

(03-20-2014 11:08 AM)soup Wrote:  

If you don't have a need for the money, you are wasting your time acquiring it.

(03-20-2014 11:14 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

^ talk to me in ten years.

I think this is a really interesting debate especially considering the lifestyles and yearly notch counts of the posters. Soup, you seem to be cashing in now with your forum-leading notch count, but will your career/lifestyle be able to improve enough to out-pace the natural effects that age and life will have on your game? Do you think it might pay off to bang 20-30 less girls and invest that time in some other aspect of your life that will have more long-term returns?

WestCoast's 10pm-12am time for game is the total other extreme, although it sounds like in recent years he's banging plenty of girls per year too (although way less than soup).

[WestCoast]

^ there is no debate.

I can quit my job right now and live forever in Thailand running game 24/7/365.

I would bang 100 chicks a year for as long as I like. If I spent my life on game. No thank you sir.

Why would I do that, given my current set up? I don't even "game" I just live and make much more income and have a "low notch count" of about 10-20 per year depending on how bored I get. My highest was something in the 30s and that was a fucking waste of a year, I estimate I lost out on mid five figures in income.

Pick up chicks during the day, they are on your schedule. you have to really believe that. "My life come or go I don't care".

This is really a debate? There is no discussion.

If there is I honestly can't even comprehend.

I want the people I care about in my life to know I got their back if shit hits the fan. That makes me feel much better than banging some stupid 7/8/9 whatever.

---

When you reach a high notch count you don't give a fuck about banging 100s of chicks anymore. It's just ego boasting.

You get girls who make your life comfortable and have fun. They are along for the ride.

[Kieran]

(03-20-2014 11:31 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

When you reach a high notch count you don't give a fuck about banging 100s of chicks anymore. It's just ego boasting.

I am different. I also have a high notch count, but my hunger for new girls never stops. As soon as I bang one, I want another. It's not an ego thing. I'm sure others feel the same.

[Pacific]

Some very interesting discussions from everyone. Now, can someone actually define Game? It would be pointless to argue over Game if the parties involved don't have the same definition of Game.

[WestCoast]

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I am different. I also have a high notch count, but my hunger for new girls never stops. As soon as I bang one, I want another. It's not an ego thing. I'm sure others feel the same.

If you for some reason still want 100s of chicks. I'll take you as telling the truth.

All this means, factually, is your time is not that valuable.

Because if it was you wouldn't invest so much of it. If I gave you $500 an hour to do something else there is no way you would do what you are doing.

Not being a dick calling a spade a spade.

You don't have a high income.

Who in their right mind would give up $200 an hour or so to bang chicks? No one I know. Shit. You can bang hooks for $100. Clearly pussy has a floor valuation of what $200 an hour (joke).

Calling it as it is. Pussy is for sale (low value), your time should not be.

The idea that this is a debate is again baffling to me.

[bacan]

(03-20-2014 11:48 AM)Pacific Wrote:  

Some very interesting discussions from everyone. Now, can someone actually define Game? It would be pointless to argue over Game if the parties involved don't have the same definition of Game.

I agree. I think this is important too.

Having the knowledge, confidence and killer instinct to take the actions that maximize your odds of fucking any girl you want.

I think everything you bring into the situation is outside of game in the strictest sense:
- reputation
- social status
- good looks
- style
- fitness
- money
- having access to the situation in the first place

and so on

[Kieran]

(03-20-2014 11:53 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Quote:

I am different. I also have a high notch count, but my hunger for new girls never stops. As soon as I bang one, I want another. It's not an ego thing. I'm sure others feel the same.

If you for some reason still want 100s of chicks. I'll take you as telling the truth.

All this means, factually, is your time is not that valuable.

Because if it was you wouldn't invest so much of it. If I gave you $500 an hour to do something else there is no way you would do what you are doing.

Not being a dick calling a spade a spade.

You don't have a high income.

Who in their right mind would give up $200 an hour or so to bang chicks? No one I know. Shit. You can bang hooks for $100. Clearly pussy has a floor valuation of what $200 an hour (joke).

Calling it as it is. Pussy is for sale (low value), your time should not be.

The idea that this is a debate is again baffling to me.

You really can't see that other people have different priorities. At the moment, I spend about 2 hours per day doing something which gives me enough money to live my current lifestyle (it's also something that I don't really view as work). I don't have a baller lifestyle, and I certainly wouldn't mind more money if someone was giving it away, but my time is more important to me than money, as I spend it on things that I'm passionate about (going out a lot being one of them).

[WestCoast]

^ not my point at all.

You have actually reiterated my same point.

I have no doubt that you don't make much because if you did you would again adjust your priorities.

I understand that some people are happy making a low income and banging chicks.

Great.

Here's the catch.

Absolutely none of them have the opportunity to make a high income because they are not a person who can command a high income

Your rebuttal is just making my proof more clear. You don't have the opportunity, again emphasis on opportunity, to obtain a high net worth so you're just saying you "decided" to live that way.

Entirely false.

If you're happy that's fine I believe you, it still doesn't refute that you should choose a lifestyle first.

People can read and believe what they like.

[Vicious]

I don't really understand this topic. McQueens initial point seems built on a misunderstood assumption about what lifestyle builders are suggesting.

I'm in the lifestyle first, then game camp.

[bacan]

Huh, now you're losing me. I have the brains to work on wall street but decided not to.

I did decide to live this way.

What makes you think every person who doesn't earn much necessarily can't earn more?
So every professor is just a wanna be banker?

Plus the guy said he works 2 hours a day and just values his time a lot.

[Kieran]

You don't think that maybe I'd apply myself to trying to make more money if I wanted it?

[WestCoast]

^ it is obvious because you wouldn't invest all that much time.

Working 2 hours a week means you're either just getting by or you're wealthy.

From you posts I can tell you are not rich so you're just getting by. Quite obvious my man.

I don't really care if people live like that but again as I noted, it's selfish to be broke so I would never ever do that.

If you're rich + only working 2 hours a week somehow 999/1000 you already put your heart and soul into a business or a career. Right?

Of course you can work harder and make more money.

however.

It is obvious those extra hours wouldn't yield a high return. Otherwise you would choose the high return.

Not really rocket science.

My example is obvious.

I can quit today and work zero hours for life

What are my other options?

Clearly if I am working I must be getting paid well.

Therefore if I was not getting paid well I would be lounging around chilling.

This is exactly what WWT was alluding to earlier in the thread.

[soup]

(03-20-2014 11:14 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

^ talk to me in ten years.

Talk to me after you spent $10K for an expensive medical procedure. You added an extra 5 years of life for a family member/friend who helped you become who you are today (hopefully more years).

Something I have done.

You look at a person you care about dying go look in the mirror and tell me you're a big boy because you can't even help him. Nonsense.

Talk to me then and tell me how good you feel about yourself knowing you don't have the means to help anyone you care about.

Being poor is selfish

My man, those are good reasons to have money. I did say "need".

I'm talking about people who just go off and make money because they don't know what else to do with themselves.

I'm not saying to be poor. I'm talking about getting what you need to do what you want in life.

Not just blindly amassing a fortune for no other reason than to have it.

[WestCoast]

^ well in that case if you don't want to amass a fortune it tells me three things.

1. You don't value your friends/family because life will fuck them up at least once. You have no interest in helping them = what kind of friend are you?
2. You never had the opportunity to do it because you chose a life of leisure over the payment for success.
3. You don't value your own personal health because you have no interest in making sure you have the best medical professionals at your hands and feet.

Anyone can get chicks. Not everyone is smart enough to pay the price to be legitimately successful.

[Nemencine]

Multiple version of this argument has been going on now for some time. People are not going to change their minds.....

In fact, most of the points that WWT and westcoast are making(and have made in other posts and other threads); was at some point, been made in one form or other other by YoungMobileGlobal's earlier posts on this forum.

YMG apparently stopped bothering himself explaining.... i dont blame him....what is the point?.... besides, in the end, we all have to make our choices and only Time can be the judge. Unfortunately, there is no reset button in life..... so, goodluck and see you in 10 years.... .

I think the "pussy-be-all/end-all" brigade are suffering from potential combination of 4 things:

Point #1. I think some forum members just have mental blocks. period.

Point #2. Some are simply rationalizing to make themselves feel better about the choices they've made about their lives.

Point #3. Others simply do not have the mental discipline to control their instant gratification, and therefore, they cannot really future orient.

Point #4. Others are simply overcompensating for lack of pussy/female attention in their formative years.

I think these are the reasons why "pussy-be-all/end-all" brigade are obsess with game above all else... which is just another way of saying: pussy above all else. personally, I cannot revolve my life around pussy. Women are a subsequent to my life, not antecedent to my life.

It is not enough to just think about what is going on now...i have to plan for the future too... On top of that, my entire existence cannot be validated through women. Sorry, i have to have other shite going on....with women just being a really fun sideshow.

It is an abundance mentality too.....

Getting women is relatively easy.... I never had the AFC phase that some people claim here... perhaps, it has to do with my immigrant background...however, making shitload of cash to create a nice, complimenting, comfortable lifestyle is far more challenging. I will know.

There was a thread in the lifestyle section where some were arguing that the only true definition of alpha is getting pussy.

Hahahahaha. Whatever makes you feel better, lad.

With all due respect, If the core definition of yourself and your self-esteem revolves around girls spreading their legs for you... well, good luck.....To be blunt, that is the mentality i expect from a secondary school virgin. Not grown arse men.

After you fucked a bunch...and then another bunch...then multiple bunches... why would fucking a 100+ girls a year be soo important that it trumps almost everything else? Especially, since there is an opportunity cost attach to everything in life? It goes against my common sense.

These "pussy-be-all/end-all" brigade tends to erect strawman arguments that paints things in black and white....in either/or. for example, arguments like: between being a 70yr old billionaire vs 20yr old college student, which will you choose? As if that is the only bloody reality! This same "pussy-be-all/end-all" brigade also get off ridiculing zuckerberg choice of ugly asian wife and parroting the inept social retards of millionaire matchmaker..... yeah, sure, that is exactly what i, Nemencine, is going to do after i become a millionaire-- marry! or go looking for ugly asians! Please, GTFO!

On the issue of 20 girls per year while trying to stack serious paper, i will have to say that Westcoast statistics match my own, like i said last year in a post:

(10-20-2013 12:17 AM)Nemencine Wrote:  

I block out time to work on my side business everyday. monday to sunday. No day off, really. I work on my side business at my regular job whenever possible. all my break time at my regular job is consumed with my side business.

I sometimes wonder how some of these lads here manage to have the time to fuck +100 girls per year as they claim. I can only do between 15 to 20 different girls per year(and that is with toning down the quality of bangs every now and then). ......

Anyways, you are not going to change my mind(or that of YMG, or wwt or westcoast) and.... also vice versa...

i guess, we have to agree to disagree..

Again, goodluck,.....in a few years... if some of us are still around... if RVF is still around, and if some of these "pussy-be-all/end-all" brigade are still around, we will revisit this thread and the arguments; and see how things turn out for everybody.

regards,

Nemencine

[WestCoast]

^ I agree you won't change their minds. Nor mine.

I only posted a lot here so anyone young who reads it will not make a bad life mistake.

[Que enspastic]

I appreciate WestCoast's insights. He is doing the forum a favour by spelling it out as clearly as possible