[jariel]

Last time I checked, this community was 1000% invested in self-improvement, yet we got guys purporting to be a part of it, but still trying to figure out the quickest path to Loserville if it means they can get their dick into some chick's stretchable tissue.



I'm off to the "Best thing since sliced bread, got more pussy waiting for me than Michelle Rodriguez, shit don't stink, pockets on swole Game" thread.

[Samseau]

(03-17-2014 04:04 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

I have noticed over the years something that is increasingly common and wanted to know if any forum members have ever fit this type and how to utilize it to your advantage.

Some of the baddest bitches I've seen out at night are with guys that are hook, line, and sinker drug addict, degenerate, and look completely unemployable.

This is SoCal referenced, but may be applicable other places I do not know.

Tonight out I saw a guy.

5'10 maybe, unkempt week or two week beard growth, unkempt hair, backwards trucker hat, lazy style, doesn't look like he works out at all. Just looked like an alcoholic / drug abuser. Looked like he hadn't showered in days. Light dark circles under his eyes, just functioning.

He had a knockout that had no piercings, no tatts, beautiful upper class white girl with long flowing blonde hair that he controlled like a remote control car.

He would grab her by her sweater or even her hair to drag her to wherever he pleased. He spanked her hard whenever he wanted. He poured some beer down the front of her panties and shorts to soak her vagina just to fuck with her. She was his. All over him. He gave no fucks about anything. I cannot even imagine the anguish her future husband would experience if he saw video tape of this.

Whenever I see this, which seems to be more and more common as the provider role is eroding to nothingness, I sometimes question all the hard work of getting it together and building classic value (dressing well, working out, looking sharp).

This reminds me of the movie Choke and Sam Rockwell's character.

Has anyone ever been at this point in their life and been drowning in top shelf tail? Ex-addict, ex-dealer, trust-fund kid that doesn't give a fuck? Lower class background with nothing to lose?

Seeing this success always irks me into thinking I may be putting hard work in instead of smart work by not putting up a front that I am one of these guys.

I have never witnessed hot girls pine away so much as for a fuck-up type that doesn't give 2 shits about about them.

In college I was a small time drug addict and had a 6.5 GF so not hot, but she was obsessed with me when I did drugs, flaked and lied to her and put drug and alcohol abuse above her. She brought me food to my community service hours after getting caught with drugs. She brought me presents. She called and texted me to come over all the time. Was willing to do anything in bed. The minute I started to clean up my act to actually not fail out of college she became more disinterested. It took MUCH more game to get her to have no strings attached sex when we were on again off again. When I was into drugs I just would text or call and her jubilation was very apparent and willingness to do anything for me. She was not a bad girl. She was a church girl, upper middle class, no tatts, no piercings, strong family values, loved babysitting, loves kids more than anything, wanted a family etc... top of her class in high school, full ride to a good and expensive college.

I have tried substituting "I am busy" or the "I do interesting things and am an interesting man that is very aloof", or "I like dating whoever, I am not settling down with you right now..." all the more classic ways to build interest completely pale in comparison to drug addict, alcoholic, degenerate, unemployable, broken, unsuccessful game.

Anyone else have experience and could share some tips on projecting this same aura to have girls clawing to get in your life and give you mind-blowing sex just to stay in your presence?

So what? He's got a hot chick but the rest of his life sucks. Why would you want to be that guy? You should understand that alpha males come in unlimited forms, you can be a broke alpha or an alpha with class and nice things, or you can just a be a middle class alpha. Lifestyle alone doesn't determine alphaness, but lifestyle is ultimately more satisfying than being alpha so you should always be focusing on lifestyle first.

[gringochileno]

Yeah, I'm not saying it's overall a good idea to be a degenerate drug addict but I do notice that those types of guys tend not to have a of problems in the getting pussy department. I know you guys are jumping down the OP's throat because he's not "promoting self-improvement" (although I don't think he was necessarily advocating this either, just making an observation), but it really does fit right in with what we all know about female attraction. Girls aren't attracted to men who are the most honorable, upstanding, productive, deserving, kind, or whatever--they're attracted to whoever gets their pussy wet, which is often people who don't give a fuck about them at all. As previously noted, it's this indifferent attitude towards women that's probably getting these guys chicks (well, that and the drugs), but it's not like that's completely unrelated to their lifestyle. It can't be too hard to not give two shits about women when you don't even give a shit about something as basic your own personal well-being.

Again I'm not endorsing actually aspiring to these guys' lifestyle, but I think the OP made an observation that's very true in my experience despite being a very uncomfortable fact. Remember, the reason why pretty lies are so ubiquitous is because it would be nice if they were true. The truth hurts sometimes. Just thank heavens that destroying yourself with drugs isn't the only way on Earth to get pussy.

[Giovonny]

(03-18-2014 03:06 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

You should understand that alpha males come in unlimited forms

I agree. That is something I really believe in.

Any man can appear "alpha" in the eyes of a woman. He could be a drug addict, loser, broke bum.

He just has to find a woman with the right set of "eyes".

*****

Also, just because he has a decent looking chick doesn't mean that he is "alpha".

Some chicks prefer a "loser" with potential over an actual alpha.

It's like a project for them. Or, they have motherly instinct to protect. Or, they don't feel they deserve or can handle an alpha. It's common.

Okay, now I am officially over-thinking this!

I honestly believe that there is no such thing as "alphas" or betas". It's a man made term that tries to describe animal behavior. It was never really intended to be used for humans.

I only say this..

Some men have a skill set and logistical set up that allows them to get girls.

Other men DO NOT have a skill set and logistical set up that allows them to get girls.

That's all I would say.

(03-18-2014 03:21 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Girls aren't attracted to men who are the most honorable, upstanding, productive, deserving, kind, or whatever--they're attracted to whoever gets their pussy wet,

That's because these are all very subjective terms.

1500 years ago, in many societies, it was considered "honorable" to massacre your enemies and remove their gene pool from earth.

Today, that would be considered a war crime.

"upstanding" -- What does that even mean? Law abiding? Ethical? Moral?

In Roman times, it was legal to own slaves, beat your wife, carry weapons, and use prostitutes.

Nowadays, if you do those things, you will go to jail.

"productive", "deserving", "kind" -- A "productive" and "kind" man deserves more pussy???

Theoretically speaking, that might make sense. But, that is your idea. That is not nature.

You are trying to inject your values into nature. You want nature to respond to your man made concepts.

I do the opposite, I adjust myself to fit in with nature. I don't expect nature to fit in with me.

(03-18-2014 03:21 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

The truth hurts sometimes.

It can also be very refreshing.

I'm not trying to argue with you, just friendly debate.

[gringochileno]

(03-18-2014 04:42 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

You are trying to inject your values into nature. You want nature to respond to your man made concepts.

I think you misunderstood my post. I'm just saying that ability to get pussy doesn't necessarily correlate with traits that we would consider admirable or worth aspiring to, which it sounds like you agree with. Women are what they are, pussy isn't a morality play.

[Giovonny]

(03-18-2014 05:01 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

I think you misunderstood my post. I'm just saying that ability to get pussy doesn't necessarily correlate with traits that we would consider admirable

I'm glad you said "doesn't necessarily correlate".

Because, as you know, it just depends.

Some guys are admirable and they get pussy.

Other guys are not so admirable and they still get pussy.

Some girls like losers and some girls don't. Some girls will date a drug addict and some girls won't.

It just depends on the girl and her perspective.

(03-18-2014 05:01 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

pussy isn't a morality play.

If you know pussy does not necessarily respond to morality..

Then why did you say the "truth hurts"???

(03-18-2014 03:21 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

The truth hurts sometimes.

What exactly is the source of this pain?

If you know the truth and live according to the truth, there should be no pain in knowing the truth.

Pain is caused by your perspective not being consistent with reality.

What hurts is finding out that your worldview is not supported by nature.

That's why I said you are trying to "inject your values into nature"..

If you excepted nature for what is was, there would be no pain.

The pain is caused by the world NOT being what YOU WANT IT TO BE.

This is just my theory and opinion..

I welcome your thoughts..

[Travesty]

My reason for posting this is in no way saying being this degenerate guy is someone I want to be.

I was looking for insight like Laserbear's that have experience on the other side of the fence and are now about living a productive and full life.

I was only curious to see how guys that lived that lifestyle in the past may have been able to retain some of that mojo that drives certain girls nuts. This has nothing to do with being a loser, but maybe there were subconcious moves used then that a guy could share and explain that can help your game in the context of a productive life.

It seems guys have just left it all behind, which I did as well. The strong and immediate reactions from girls in those times does leave a lasting imprint though on how many women really work. And it is a dark reality.

[gringochileno]

Quote:

What exactly is the source of this pain?...If you excepted nature for what is was, there would be no pain.

Chill man, I think you're reading too much into it and I don't think we really disagree here. I'm basically observing that this is just another case of the "chicks dig jerks" phenomenon that we're all well-acquainted with. Yeah, if the world worked the way it "ought" to work then degenerate junkies wouldn't be drowning in pussy and serial killers wouldn't get marriage proposals by the dozens. I'm not saying that particularly bothers me--it's just a reality we should accept, in fact the reason why "blue pill" beliefs are so common is because they assume that the world does work the way people think it should work.

"Blue pill" is the worldview that would be correct if real life were a shitty romantic comedy.

[Giovonny]

(03-18-2014 06:58 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

I was only curious to see how guys that lived that lifestyle in the past may have been able to retain some of that mojo that drives certain girls nuts.

Oh Yeah, let me answer your primary question..

There was a time in my life when I was unproductive and abusing marijuana.

I still got girls. Why?

Because I had social skills and experience talking to girls.

Getting high only makes you more of what you are.

I had a skill set and a confidence that was in place before the drugs.

Even, when I was being a loser, I still had my social skills and confidence.

That's how I would explain it.

Some girls liked the fact I smoked weed. Why? Because they liked to smoke it too.

It wasn't anything "dark". It was just two like minded people who wanted to have fun together.

(03-18-2014 06:58 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

The strong and immediate reactions from girls in those times does leave a lasting imprint though on how many women really work. And it is a dark reality.

I don't see it as "dark".

Partying is fun. (In moderation and safe environments)

It's exciting. It's a break from day to day grind.

Girls like fun and excitement, especially with a twist of danger.

That's all I see here.

I don't see anything "dark".

I just see girls and guys attracted to fun and exciting things.

If you can't handle your drugs well that I whole different conversation. Hardcore drug addiction leads to a dark place in your mind; but..

Girls liking fun and exciting things is not "dark", in my opinion.

[Travesty]

^Gio

The darkness is in reference to otherwise good attractive girls being into guys that are into more hardcore drug habits and love the belligerent and poor behavior that follows.

Some weed, alcohol, and a line here or there is all good clean fun in my opinion. I would just consider that being social.

[Giovonny]

(03-18-2014 07:37 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Chill man, I think you're reading too much into it and I don't think we really disagree here.

No worries Gringo,

I just like talking about this stuff. I don't care if we agree or not, I just like to hear people's perspectives.

(03-18-2014 07:37 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

I'm basically observing that this is just another case of the "chicks dig jerks" phenomenon that we're all well-acquainted with.

Yes, "chicks dig jerks"..

I don't believe too much in that theory. It's an over-simplified, generalization that does not accurately express the complexity of human mating.

I know a lot of "jerks" who don't get girls.

You have to be a "jerk" with some "game". Either looks or social skills or status or access or some combination of those things.

Without some of those things, being a "jerk" will not get you too far.

Imagine a short, ugly guy who has no experience talking to girls. Being a "jerk" might hurt his game more then it helps. But, who knows? If he does it in such a way that it engages people into socializing with him, then it could work.

Again, it's "jerk" in combination with social skills/looks/status, etc. "Jerk" by itself may or may not increase success.

(03-18-2014 07:37 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

the world does work the way people think it should work.

Yes. I believe this is why the "truth hurts" some people.

They learn that their "truth" is different from Nature's Truth

I was raised "red pill" so I never had this conflict.

How long ago did you take the red pill?

[Giovonny]

(03-18-2014 08:20 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

^Gio

The darkness is in reference to otherwise good attractive girls being into guys that are into more hardcore drug habits and love the belligerent and poor behavior that follows.

Hmmm...?

I still don't see any "darkness".

I just see a girl who likes a guy, even though he is not perfect.

Some girls like to live with in the confines of "normal" society and some girls don't. Some girls like an adventure and some girls don't.

I get excited by strippers who want to do drugs with me. Does that make me a "dark" person?

I don't think so.

It's the fun, passion, sex, thrills, and adventure that excite me. It's not some imaginary force of evil.

[Sweet Jones]

a lifestyle involving drugs brings a number of factors that will keep women around

- if you have good access to drugs, it's convenient for girls and serves as a sort of status marker
- having a lot of drugs around, sucks all sort of people in, for all sorts of reasons
- drugs usually take priority over women. even without being an addict. they are just more fun. so this kills the neediness factor
- constant drama. especially if you try to hide your use or exclude her from it
- girls wanting to fix you
- girls being attracted to the bad-boy aspect of it
- also contrast game of being functional, hygienic and well-kept, while having a drug habit
- plenty of different drugs that just make girls horny as part of the way they act on the brain

[Grit]

I could be like the guy above me and give you a list of all the things you already know. However, i think what you are really lamenting is the death of the middle class.

The pursuit of sex and the pursuit of the middle class are different things.

Being productive, upstanding, honest, clean, intelligent, clear-minded, thoughtful, etc. are purely middle class ideals.

You recognize that sex in the middle class has "strings attached" to sex. "Be clean, productive, upstanding, etc. and society will reward you." (Think about this next time you hear a girl preach about wanting 'no strings attached' sex)

This meritocratic ideal is what indicates a stable middle class, and the reward is money, sex, companionship, security, love, and peace.

Without adherence to codes of conduct, the middle class devolves. The result is an upper class and everyone else (aka the lower class). The upper class can afford all of these things by buying access to them. The lower class thinks its a dog-eat-dog hustle to become upper class.

You happen to live in a time of a devolving middle class.

[Blackwell]

Jariel is speaking the truth right now. That quote about living life as the man you want to be and not wasting time trying to figure out some kind of magical formula, that was gold.

I'm in a situation where I know the next couple of months are going to be tricky and I'm going to keep that in mind as a kind of moniker when I'm trying to figure it out.

Appreciate that. Repped.

[Travesty]

(03-19-2014 01:00 AM)Grit Wrote:  

I could be like the guy above me and give you a list of all the things you already know. However, i think what you are really lamenting is the death of the middle class.

The pursuit of sex and the pursuit of the middle class are different things.

Being productive, upstanding, honest, clean, intelligent, clear-minded, thoughtful, etc. are purely middle class ideals.

You recognize that sex in the middle class has "strings attached" to sex. "Be clean, productive, upstanding, etc. and society will reward you." (Think about this next time you hear a girl preach about wanting 'no strings attached' sex)

This meritocratic ideal is what indicates a stable middle class, and the reward is money, sex, companionship, security, love, and peace.

Without adherence to codes of conduct, the middle class devolves. The result is an upper class and everyone else (aka the lower class). The upper class can afford all of these things by buying access to them. The lower class thinks its a dog-eat-dog hustle to become upper class.

You happen to live in a time of a devolving middle class.

You nailed what was going on in my head , +1.

I am sure this is it as I was raised middle class and through time before RVF and now especially I see that the middle class dream is getting fucked. Glad I have this forum to not be okay with being on the sinking ship that is middle class America and fighting my way off it.

^Gio I agree I cannot make a boogie man out of what is.

^Jariel - Yes this post should have been more well thought out and specify how I wanted to observe the strong mental connection made with girls (possible Game part) not the loser lifestyle, and spending any time hashing this behavior is completely against the spirit of the forum.

[CJ_W]

(03-17-2014 05:36 AM)jariel Wrote:  

When you just start living your life, and being the man that you want to be instead of trying to figure out some magical formula that you think is going to get you all the things that you want, then you'll become someone that someone else watches, instead of being the guy doing the watching.

Thread is done.

+rep for that.

There is just so much in there that anyone can take value from.