[JWLZG]

(04-13-2014 12:32 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  

I think the main limiting factor for asian guys in America is the sexualization factor. That is, a lot of white girls, and perhaps girls in general, consider asian guys to be less sexual, more straight edge, and more safe. So there is an image there, and it is an assumption built into the general female perception of asian men. I think if you want to succeed as an asian guy in america, you have to overcompensate a bit by being more aggressive - perhaps even more aggressive than white guys - in order to give off that pussy-tingling contrast. [...]
So, back to the point i made initially, the best way I've observed from personal observation, is to "shock and awe." Just shock other people's perceptions of the asian guy COMPLETELY. Like Kenni Styles or somebody.

That's something I've been wondering about as I have my sights on living in North America towards my late 20s -- either professionally or doing the backpacker thing.

I don't think having sailed across the Atlantic on a 90 foot fishing boat or hitch hiking across Latin America at 23 necessarily qualifies as "safe" or "straight and narrow". Sure I don't walk around with a sign proclaiming that but damned if I'm going to have that "less sexual" filter applied that transcends game etc.

As Deluge indicated, Asian Australians (i.e. those born/raised locally and for all intents consider themselves Australian) are about 50/50 split between white-majority and AA social circles. You'll see this markedly so in university cliques, clubs & societies and such. I have acquaintances in both stripes but I wouldn't say there's much of a middle ground.

AAs tend to socialise, work with, network and hook up within these domains with not a whole lot of crossover.

This distinction is slightly blurred in professional circles but that's skewed accroding to field. Finance, Med, Professional services tend to be more Asian-populated. Engineering, nursing, architecture and the sciences are about 50/50. Mining, Defence and the uniformed services tend to still be Anglo-Celtic domains although that is diminishing somewhat. Mind you, immigration and integration over generations is leaving a more Asian face on our society. Not just in FOB enclaves such as Richmond and Springvale here or Cabramatta in Sydney but in mainstream society, and I don't just mean the odd entrepreneur or entertainer.

This all applies to big-city and metropolitan Australia. You'll find conservative prejudices still run in rural Oz, even in regional cities like Bendigo -- so I'm told from first-hand experience. You'll have outliers that are a bit more progressive in values but they tend to get out and go to uni/trades in the capitals.

So yeah, I think we've definitely come a long way since the days of the White Australia Policy. Sure discrimination and ignorance exists, both overt and covert, even in the big cities. But I think a local Asian that projects Australian-ness in accent, speech, manner and features (there is a difference) tends to be accepted as one at face value.

I was involved in Surf Life Saving for some years. It's still very much a whitebread Aryan preserve and never once was my race an issue. I imagine if I pulled it out for not having my shit together I would've been very, very unpopular. I have it on good authority that it's much the same in our uniformed services.

Forgive me for the large tangent, I thought it would be helpful to give an Antipodean tangent. Any other Aussies are welcome to correct anything inaccurate I wrote.

Based on what I observed, is mainstream America seriously that prejudiced against their Asian community as what SHANbangs indicated? Granted it's a huge call to comment across its different stratas and cultures, say SoCal to New England to the Midwest and Deep South.
I would've gleaned though that the picture wouldn't have been too far off from here.

[Deluge]

(04-13-2014 12:32 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  

just to add my two cents.

I think the main limiting factor for asian guys in America is the sexualization factor. That is, a lot of white girls, and perhaps girls in general, consider asian guys to be less sexual, more straight edge, and more safe. So there is an image there, and it is an assumption built into the general female perception of asian men. I think if you want to succeed as an asian guy in america, you have to overcompensate a bit by being more aggressive - perhaps even more aggressive than white guys - in order to give off that pussy-tingling contrast. I know some guys who do this well, and kill it, and they are asian american. I know a FOB asian guy who does this extremely well too. I don't think girls give a shit about the accent.

So I think the approach of "sufficient integration" is not the right way, because being considered "an insider" is not the problem. You can be socially integrated and considered part of the social circle, but that doesn't mean your personna is sufficiently sexualized.

Go back to my brown guys ROK post and wrote about "sexy stereotyping" as an ironic way to beat negative stereotypes.
Let's be real here, the average Asian guy is a safe, boring, awkward unsexual beta, it's not fair the stereotype applies to all Asian guys, but it is what it is. So if an Asian guy is dressed average and has an average body that's what he's going to be pegged as. So don't dress average, dress very well and/or adopt a sub-culture's clothing style. Don't have an average body, have a great body. This is something all guys of all races should be doing (most guys of all races are assumed to be beta anyway unless they're good looking, jacked or have their style in order).

You basically want to belong to the same cultural and/or sub-cultural "tribe" as a girl, and have improved every factor you can to the point where the only facets of you as a person that aren't "perfect" or "ideal" are the things you can't control, like race or height. This applies to all races but it's even more important for minorities, just like how it's even more important for short guys, ugly guys or whatever else isn't seen as ideal in your society.

[El Chinito loco]

(04-14-2014 02:15 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

Based on what I observed, is mainstream America seriously that prejudiced against their Asian community as what SHANbangs indicated? Granted it's a huge call to comment across its different stratas and cultures, say SoCal to New England to the Midwest and Deep South.
I would've gleaned though that the picture wouldn't have been too far off from here.

I can only speak as an asian-american but I have met aussie asians before who were born and raised in Australia or are 1.5 generation kids. I haven't visited Australia yet but from what I have been told is that Australia is much smaller and the culture is more accepting if you're "aussie" in mentality. The ones I met were definitely full blown aussie so I think they didn't have nearly as many issues.

In America even if you're 100% born in the U.S. with no accent you can still encounter a lot of social problems if you're asian looking. This is especially true if you're in some areas where being asian has zero or even negative social capital like the midwest, south, or northeast with the exception of maybe New York.

I suspect that the experiences of aussie asians and asian americans is similar in some ways but not really the same. I think a lot of the issues in America has to do with how pervasive Hollywood image is with the culture too. The overall asian-american male image in Hollywood is shit most of the time. A lot of America's cultural and social cues comes from pop culture or media images. It's probably like this in Australia too i'm sure but maybe there is just more cultural distance between Australian culture and how America represents Asians in mainstream media.

I don't dwell too much on stuff like this anymore to be honest. I figured out a long time ago that being financially independent and free from being tied down to a region is way more important.

[wavey007]

Australia is pretty much the same, just a smaller target audience to brain wash...

[Deluge]

(04-14-2014 09:06 AM)wavey007 Wrote:  

Australia is pretty much the same, just a smaller target audience to brain wash...

[PoosyWrecker]

(04-13-2014 09:29 AM)True Killa Wrote:  

...I now use Daniel Craig's James Bond as my model and found better success. I dress well, am fit, and can cold read like Bond....I am aloof but speak my mind, that's why I relate to Daniel Craig's Bond so well....I like classy dinner, fine wine, and wearing nice suits. Like an Asian Bond.

[PoosyWrecker]

(04-14-2014 06:01 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

Go back to my brown guys ROK post and wrote about "sexy stereotyping" as an ironic way to beat negative stereotypes.
Let's be real here, the average Asian guy is a safe, boring, awkward unsexual beta, it's not fair the stereotype applies to all Asian guys, but it is what it is. So if an Asian guy is dressed average and has an average body that's what he's going to be pegged as. So don't dress average, dress very well and/or adopt a sub-culture's clothing style. Don't have an average body, have a great body. This is something all guys of all races should be doing (most guys of all races are assumed to be beta anyway unless they're good looking, jacked or have their style in order).

There is a 'magic pill' that will do that for us.
http://dangerandplay.com/category/testos...erapy-trt/

(04-14-2014 06:53 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

I don't dwell too much on stuff like this anymore to be honest. I figured out a long time ago that being financially independent and free from being tied down to a region is way more important.