[J-METAL]

First post. Something that I hadn't seen discussed much but is definitely an issue for myself. As a metalhead (musician as well), I can say that the places where we often convene are not filled with good prospects (except for maybe the bartender). If there are any, they are riddled with terrible tattoos, ugly piercings, are out of shape and have ugly dyed hair. The sad part is they are usually one of only a few women there and they receive attention all night long.

How do those of you who don't actively listen to EDM, Hip-Hop, Pop, or any variation of these genres get yourself into a more positive state at bars/clubs where this music is dominant?

Do you ever reach a point where you are able to start liking it or do you just deal with it through exposure?

Should I avoid these places overall (and concentrate on other types of venues) or persevere through it for the poon?

Thank you.

If this belongs under a different sub forum I apologize.

[Daddy]

In my teens I was into rock/metal/classical music only. When I grew older I started listening to hip hop and latin music. I think if you really want to enjoy your time at the club you have to like the music. That way, when you go to a club, it's not only to pick up chicks but also to have a good time. Go to YouTube and pick up on the latest songs. As a metal fan you might find these songs don't make much sense until you learn to dance. Learning to dance is a good way to appreciate hip hop, reggaeton etc.

[Flint]

You have basically three options:

1. Get used to it. That's what I do. I hate mainstream Rap, Electronic, Pop and Dance music but in order to increase my exposure to hot girls I go to those venues, willy nilly. I finally learned to not let the bad music ruin my evening. If you can't or don't want to dance, stick to the bar, lounges and smoker corners of the clubs and do your approaches there. If you are in situations where you have to hit the dancefloor, learn to mentally filter out the shitty lyrics, production and melodies from that kind of music and concentrate on the beat. Then you can adjust your body movements to it in a more natural way without getting upset about the musical quality. If you're out there to swoop girls, the music is the last thing that should stop you from doing it.

2. Get drunk. With some alcohol in your veins, Drake, Jay-Z and Lady Gaga suddenly don't sound that bad anymore.

3. Avoid clubs. If you don't think you can ever feel comfortable in these places, stop bothering with them and stick to daygame or nightgame at decent bars, art exhibitions, film festivals, etc.

[mental]

I'm mainly a metalhead, and I've been pondering the same, but lately after installing Viper audio mod I've been enjoying lots of different music, which means now I don't mind almost any music.
In my experience, it's best to listen to some "catchy" artists or songs which emphasize the melody or have a "weird" tune while still having rumbling trademark "club" bass (some trance is good with this), since they are the easiest to get into - similar as with Metallica and Maiden for metal.
Also, using some good DSP's to increase the bass quality, like the one in my sig, will make them truly eargasmic and pleasurable to listen to.
The examples below got me into electronic music:
Silent Harmony - Save the Whales
Gravity 2000 - Welcome to the New Millenium
Infected Mushroom - Becoming Insane

Why fight an uphill battle against music you don't like when you can find the best examples from the genre and get used to it, leaving you free to approach with less things to worry about?

[Comte De St. Germain]

If you really wanna get into electronic music as a metalhead(I got into it from old school rap and metal so I get where you are coming from). I would suggest starting with Varian whom I posted up. One of the oddballs of electronic music but you'll like what he makes. Then I would enjoy some more staples like Deadmau5. This song Strobe is what got me into electronic music. Best of luck and find your niche in this genre because it became one of my favorites. There is also a channel on youtube called Monstercat which posts new electronic music by up and coming artists. Take a listen to their uploads and mixes. Some unique stuff.

Best of luck

[Comte De St. Germain]

So I'm guessing metalheads and possibly some Goths may be commenting on this thread so here's a question for you guys. Where can I find attractive goth girls? There aren't exactly any where I'm at.

[Cincinnatus]

I started bumpin' house music outside the clubs after watching this documentary which Lothario shared:

Check out the Best house mixes of 2012 thread.

[travolta]

I used to be a metal head back in high school and college. Now I listen to mostly electronic music. Thing is that most music played in clubs completely sucks. Just don't think much about the music when you go out and focus on the real reason you're there.

Here's some good electronic music for you to check out.

edit: you'll never hear this type of music in a club, but getting into good electronic music will at least make shitty club music more bearable. Or it might just make you even more annoyed with the music.

Also, you don't have to go to clubs to meet girls. There are better and easier places to get laid...

[WestIndianArchie]

You can't. Stick to bars for night game, and the streets for the day time.

Metal heads have the toughest time ime. At least if you were into Indy, you could transition with Radiohead, but not happening.

[ChocolateCockOfZeus]

Whiskey. By the 3rd shot it all starts to sound like Dylan.

[Ocelot]

(01-30-2014 11:42 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

You can't. Stick to bars for night game, and the streets for the day time.

Metal heads have the toughest time ime. At least if you were into Indy, you could transition with Radiohead, but not happening.

It's a first, but I respectfully disagree with WIA. Why let something as malleable as your taste in music limit the venues you can enjoy?

After all, what you enjoy listening to is largely determined by what you're comfortable with - what you've been exposed to the most, and what subculture you associate with. If you genuinely want to enjoy electronic music, so that clubs don't make you want to kill yourself, then the best way to start is by looking for bands/artists at the edge of your comfort zone and listening to them more. Eventually you might find you're into a load of electronic metal bands, at which point EDM should become more palatable.

The key here is that you have to want to like EDM. If you start listening to deadmau5, all the while looking down on it as trashy shit, your taste's not really going to change at all. It's how musical subcultures can really hold you down, because you feel obliged to hate certain kinds of music. Trust me, I was brought up almost exclusively around classical music, blues and rock; I used to hate metal, EDM and hip hop with a vengeance until I started playing with more open-minded musicians. Now I listen to pretty much everything, so your taste definitely can change through exposure.

Ocelot

P.S.

[Drazen]

Watch this:

You'll understand it a little better.

[WestIndianArchie]

@ocelot

Been my experience that die hard metal fans have a much harder time with hip hop/edm than even country and western fans. There seems to be a level of culture divide, not just aesthetic issues.

But he should definitely try, but like most music, it's best to start with the common and popular stuff, and get deeper in from that pov. If you start with the best, he'll just be annoyed because hot girls rarely go to stuff with the best djs playing the deep cuts.

Cheers

[J-METAL]

(01-30-2014 02:58 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

@ocelot

Been my experience that die hard metal fans have a much harder time with hip hop/edm than even country and western fans. There seems to be a level of culture divide, not just aesthetic issues.

But he should definitely try, but like most music, it's best to start with the common and popular stuff, and get deeper in from that pov. If you start with the best, he'll just be annoyed because hot girls rarely go to stuff with the best djs playing the deep cuts.

Cheers

A little bit this. I feel I can appreciate all GOOD music. I think I can appreciate any genre, however it really is the most trendy stuff that tends to annoy me. It's a little ingrained in me to want to value music for more than a simple beat or a chorus repeating "touch me baby" over and over. Being able to appreciate "fun" music I suppose can be an issue. Need to change my mindset from "this has no meaning" as a negative to "this has no meaning!" as a positive way to free my mind a bit.

I appreciate all the links you guys have provided. Varien had my bobbing quite a bit and everything that got posted had some good bits. I think it will just have to be a slow process of opening up my tastes... not unlike going from the Lamb of God stage to eventually liking Immortal.

Not to derail but something I notice is that 28+ seems to like metalheads (chicks that remember Pantera) but you might as well be invisible to younger chicks. I no longer advertise myself through words or appearance that I like metal besides wearing black, but hint at being a vocalist sometimes. It seems to help.

[Comte De St. Germain]

If you want a gear example of good repetitive music. Give this a try. https://m.soundcloud.com/plasterbrain/nimbasa-core
Pretty unique even in terms of repetition and I like it quite a bit.

[travolta]

Honestly I got into electronic music because once I went to a Cosmic Gate show in NYC and took ecstasy. That was a life changing experience, and forever changed the way I listened to music. I started listening to a LOT of electronic music ever since that night, and have been listening to it pretty much every day since. This was about 2 years ago. I can listen to good electronic music if I'm on drugs, and also if I'm sober. Right now I'm working and listening to electronic music. I can't get enough of it.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

A summary of every club song ever made (and parody of clubs in general):

[CJ_W]

(01-23-2014 01:57 PM)J-METAL Wrote:  

First post. Something that I hadn't seen discussed much but is definitely an issue for myself. As a metalhead (musician as well), I can say that the places where we often convene are not filled with good prospects (except for maybe the bartender). If there are any, they are riddled with terrible tattoos, ugly piercings, are out of shape and have ugly dyed hair. The sad part is they are usually one of only a few women there and they receive attention all night long.

How do those of you who don't actively listen to EDM, Hip-Hop, Pop, or any variation of these genres get yourself into a more positive state at bars/clubs where this music is dominant?

Do you ever reach a point where you are able to start liking it or do you just deal with it through exposure?

Should I avoid these places overall (and concentrate on other types of venues) or persevere through it for the poon?

Thank you.

If this belongs under a different sub forum I apologize.

Its cool, its more like it just grows on you.

The first time I went to a dance music club (had to for work reasons) I was like "wtf is this music, its horrible"

. . .after a WHILE of going to this place, . . .it took me like 5-6 months of this My ears somehow got acclimated to it and started to pick out songs that I liked etc etc. and Now I like the genre, and other sub genres of that genre etc etc.

so yeah, you'll get used to it. The human body adapts to pretty much everything, Its amazing.

[unbowed]

Another metalhead in sheep's clothing here. I'll spare everyone the horns...

I used to love hip-hop in grade school. My transition to metal came from needing more energy. But the underlying theme was dark, minor key, not sad, but definitely dark. For hip-hop you can't go wrong with Jay-Z, Dre, Ice Cube, Eminem etc. Maybe the vocal delivery isn't your thing but the beats are solid and the riffs/samples are pretty top notch, especially since they'll throw out motifs rooted in rock music from the 60s-80s. These guys are classics and I'm sure you'll hear at least 2 Jay-Z songs in popular clubs.

Since most club music is not changing time signatures, you should be fine grooving to 4/4 beats.

I'm not sure what kind of metal you like (a whole thread in itself right there), but EDM is probably the closest thing in terms of feeling. A lot of club music you're probably used to is that overbassed/produced dubstep type stuff. I don't think anyone likes that music, but herd mentality's a motherfucker.

Try and find alternative EDM shows. Drum n Bass is a great transition for a metalhead. Fast beat, cool vibe; met a lot of Dutch/Brits into it. If you're a proggy kinda guy, trance/trip-hop might be more to your liking. Hardstyle/Happy Hardcore is the "Melodeath" of EDM; very sugary and posi type stuff.

I find since club music is not meant to appeal to aesthetes but to drunken shenanigans, you'll probably want to invest in good ear plugs, speak from your diaphragm and hang by the bar. Unless you have stellar dance skills (and even then), girls will be split between selfie-ing, attn whoring, bottle snatching and # farming (redundant; isn't that all attn whoring?)

Since most metalheads are quite judgemental, I would recommend trying to just perceive whatever's happening around you. Vocals/lyrics are the last thing I look at (though most girls flock to this first), but just get a feel of the chords/melodies/rhythms. Place yourself in la-la land where you see the whole club as your own playground. Sure you can't control the music, but you can control your reaction to it. And if it REALLY sucks, whisky at the bar is nowhere near a bad option.


@ hwuzhere - the most attractive goth girls are in bookstores and don't dress like vampires. That raven haired girl with the Doc Martens reading French poetry might not be your typical hipster. I like these kinds of goth girls because they're quite introverted and intellectual, so conversations are great. Watch out for the ones that "peacock" - attention whoring on a bloodlust level.

Btw J-METAL, try this one (starts off slow, let it build):

[soup]

(01-23-2014 01:57 PM)J-METAL Wrote:  

First post. Something that I hadn't seen discussed much but is definitely an issue for myself. As a metalhead (musician as well), I can say that the places where we often convene are not filled with good prospects (except for maybe the bartender). If there are any, they are riddled with terrible tattoos, ugly piercings, are out of shape and have ugly dyed hair. The sad part is they are usually one of only a few women there and they receive attention all night long.

How do those of you who don't actively listen to EDM, Hip-Hop, Pop, or any variation of these genres get yourself into a more positive state at bars/clubs where this music is dominant?

Do you ever reach a point where you are able to start liking it or do you just deal with it through exposure?

Should I avoid these places overall (and concentrate on other types of venues) or persevere through it for the poon?

Thank you.

If this belongs under a different sub forum I apologize.

One thing that rock/metal and dance music share in common in the driving beat. There's always going to be that 4/4 or similar kind of feel that is used to help keep drunk people knowing where beat is.

Also, dance music can be heavy as fuck. Start appreciating the bass/sub-harmonic play that's going on. There's a lot of shitty dance music, but you can listen to the production values and they way it's engineered, and it might actually give you a better perspective of your own rock sound.

Furthermore, learn how to meet girls anywhere you go. Don't depend on clubs for that. The whole world is your club. Venues are just an illusion and hype. I've tapered off going out activities as I'm getting a little older and I used to host an electronic music party, so I need a break from that. EDM is especially grating to me at this point. That said, it is heavy as fuck and very aggressive, like metal.

Music tastes are often tribal.

I think that you need to learn how to appreciate the other tribes, or just be comfortable in them. Girls like people from the same tribe.

Keep in mind that if you listen to something over and over, even if it is really annoying, you will eventually start to like it. This is just the science of how our brains process music.

The more exposure you have to club environment, the better acclimated you will be.

Keep your eyes on the prize.