Quote: (01-25-2014 04:11 PM)CarCrashKid Wrote:
Quote: (01-22-2014 07:39 PM)DaveR Wrote:
Quote: (01-22-2014 07:28 PM)CarCrashKid Wrote:
From my knowledge and experience
Do you have any? Because by the sound of what you wrote next, I don't think you've ever visited Russia or Ukraine.
Quote: (01-22-2014 07:28 PM)CarCrashKid Wrote:
Russia has got bad press for years now. Products and services are cheaper over there because of the spread of communism.
The reason doctors and lawyers don't have the same life style as the oligarchs is because they get paid as poorly as someone working in a less skilled job. The oligarchs are corrupt firstly and bringing in outside money to live in an economy where goods such as property is super cheap.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
I love this. You've provided literally zero evidence to oppose my thoughts.
However let me have a go,
I know for a fact that in the Ukraine, the minimum wage was raised to about €0.60 euro from November or December. Now, I can tell you that the minimum wage in Ireland is €8.65 per hour because I've been on that wage.
Now let me try some more arithmetic. Let's say I work in both countries for a year...
8 hours a day,4 days a week, every week for a year.
8.65*8*4*52... €14,393
Vs
.60*8*4*52.. €998.4
Now if I make more money than my compatriot get the minimum wage, imagine the difference between doctors.
Relative to the West, things are much cheaper. Hence why a lot of men in this forum, intend or tend to make their money in the Anglosphere then set sail for the Eastern shores.
They said your post didn't make sense because of 2 main reasons:
1. products aren't cheaper in FSU. Many services yes, but Not all. Food is about the same. Some items like meat are more expensive while some like bread is less. But consumer products are about 1/3 to 1/2 more.
Many services that are considered for the elite or just as expensive, eating out in a good restaurant or going bowling. I am comparing to America NOT the Socialist republic of Europa lol.
2. what you said about doctors made NO sense. Doctors living like Oligarchs? where in this world? America is probably the only country where doctors are rich (according to Michael more anyway). Usually that's specialists. Many Lawyers are rich ,Most aren't(Slubu doesn't think he is rich does he?).
Doctors are upper middle class in America. Lawyers are middle class to upper middle class on average .ADA's(gov't LAWYER) make shitty pay, less than cops.
In Ukraine they don't make high salaries because MOST work for gov't.Most of their lawyers are = to ADA's and most of their dr's work at clinics and State hospitals. They also don't have to buy expensive insurance or pay for expensive college degrees. In fact they don't even give up many earning years studying .I dated doctors who were 23. YES..23. Doesn't take many years of studying like in USA.many also BUY their degrees! so good luck with those ones lol.
An Oligarch is the = to a Carnegie or a Rockefeller of sorts .How can you compare them or their income to the professional class? Makes little sense.
Most Oligarchs make money in country because they control the capital investments and assets of Ukraine/Russia. They actually tend to send their money outside of the country to protect it..Not bring it in from outside.
My flat in Odessa was worth 135k in 2008. Then it went down to 70k in the recession. A few years ago you could buy a 2 br 2ba condo in vegas and Florida for 50k. I bought a home for 75k in North Vegas. In Moscow the avg flat is beyond most westerners means to buy .Where is the low costs you are talking about?
It has been said over and over...Russia isn't cheap. Men go there for girls, its Not a retirement destination lol.
3.You said the cheap products is due to the spread of communism!. Russia hasn't SPREAD communism since 1989! DId you just awake from a time capsule? Prices have risen fast in the last 15 years .FSU suffers from high inflation compared to stable economies of the West.
BTW: Doctors often open their own private practice over there that caters to the RICH. They scam the rich by making up false ailments and get paid to treat them. Those doctors do pretty well!
Many lawyers do clerical type stuff..like notarizing documents. Its a very bureaucratic society. They aren't out their handling divorces or chasing ambulances. There aren't many ambulances.
In closing I think that is why senior members might have joked about you ever being there!It was ALL good fun!
Also to back up Worldwide. They have reported income lets say of 200 dollars but make 350. This way they only pay taxes on the 200(15% and paid by employers?? I THINK, or it use to be that way)