[Searcher]

The website TimeZone was promoting their Minerva watches, so I bought a couple Minervas, wore them for a while, and sold them for a slight profit. Now that I understand "peacocking", I wouldn't mind one of these.

(01-15-2014 04:42 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

If you wire cash, it will be traced. If you cross an international border with cash, you must report it (to both countries) or it will be confiscated.

The guy has plenty of time to wire it all several times, withdraw cash and take a bus/car ride to the ultimate destination. Here is EUR 150K.

[DVY]

Another option which I saw in JJ Luna's book is mail a certain amount of money double wrapped in newspaper, stuffed in a 2nd envelope to yourself (say in a different country). 300-500 bux/envelope. You could easily send 300 enevlopes which is 90-150k. Only thing it'll cost you is postage/envelopes/cajones.

Most snail-mail isn't opened.

I read it recently and thought it was a brilliant idea.

[samsamsam]

(01-15-2014 08:40 PM)DVY Wrote:  

Another option which I saw in JJ Luna's book is mail a certain amount of money double wrapped in newspaper, stuffed in a 2nd envelope to yourself (say in a different country). 300-500 bux/envelope. You could easily send 300 enevlopes which is 90-150k. Only thing it'll cost you is postage/envelopes/cajones.

Most snail-mail isn't opened.

I read it recently and thought it was a brilliant idea.

DVY, let me know which country I should be in to receive this mail

LOL, hope all is well man.

[Brodiaga]

(01-15-2014 08:40 PM)DVY Wrote:  

Another option which I saw in JJ Luna's book is mail a certain amount of money double wrapped in newspaper, stuffed in a 2nd envelope to yourself (say in a different country). 300-500 bux/envelope. You could easily send 300 enevlopes which is 90-150k. Only thing it'll cost you is postage/envelopes/cajones.

Most snail-mail isn't opened.

I read it recently and thought it was a brilliant idea.

That's a great idea. Let's say you lose 2-3% of that money in transit which is still ok. May be worse if you send it to a developing country, though. Don't know how things are now, but I know that back in the 90s in Russia/Former Soviet Union customs opened many letters from abroad in search of bank notes.

[Tail Gunner]

(01-15-2014 08:33 PM)Searcher Wrote:  

The guy has plenty of time to wire it all several times, withdraw cash and take a bus/car ride to the ultimate destination.

Time is certainly the key. Most people do not have the luxury of time when evading the law. Your idea would certainly work if the OP were simply dodging creditors or ex-wives.

When you run from the law, it is a race against the clock. It is extremely difficult to pass a large amount of money through a bank without raising any red flags. That is called "money laundering."

You cannot wire a large sum of money and then just show up and remove it in one lump sum. Many banks will refuse to allow that, close your account on the spot, and insist upon wiring your money back to its place of origin. Absolute disaster when it matters most!

You need to establish a regular transaction routine with the bank and then adhere to it to avoid suspicion. That takes time.

[Tail Gunner]

(01-15-2014 08:40 PM)DVY Wrote:  

Another option which I saw in JJ Luna's book is mail a certain amount of money double wrapped in newspaper, stuffed in a 2nd envelope to yourself (say in a different country). 300-500 bux/envelope. You could easily send 300 enevlopes which is 90-150k. Only thing it'll cost you is postage/envelopes/cajones.

Most snail-mail isn't opened.

I read it recently and thought it was a brilliant idea.

We have a winner! Yes, that makes the most sense -- especially if you mail to a reliable first-world country. I had read that tidbit in JJ Luna's book, but had forgotten about it.

That raises another issue. Plan everything well and -- so you do not forget anything -- keep a list on an encrypted computer, preferably one with a hidden partition so that no one even knows that it's there.

[Brodiaga]

(01-15-2014 03:39 PM)houston Wrote:  

Is it possible to fly out to a country, find a job under the table and stay there for years? I know there has to be Americans illegally doing that all over.

My friend told me that in Brazil, at least in the medium sized where he lives, it's possible to teach English without immigration papers and get paid under the table. Then, if you are tired of your illegal status, you can marry a Brazilian girl and get the papers, eventually even become a citizen.

[Suits]

(01-15-2014 09:46 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 08:40 PM)DVY Wrote:  

Another option which I saw in JJ Luna's book is mail a certain amount of money double wrapped in newspaper, stuffed in a 2nd envelope to yourself (say in a different country). 300-500 bux/envelope. You could easily send 300 enevlopes which is 90-150k. Only thing it'll cost you is postage/envelopes/cajones.

Most snail-mail isn't opened.

I read it recently and thought it was a brilliant idea.

We have a winner! Yes, that makes the most sense -- especially if you mail to a reliable first-world country. I had read that tidbit in JJ Luna's book, but had forgotten about it.

That raises another issue. Plan everything well and -- so you do not forget anything -- keep a list on an encrypted computer, preferably one with a hidden partition so that no one even knows that it's there.

You'd want to establish a PO BOX in a nation with a reliable mail system. Then, just be sure to send less than $10,000 USD per letter. In fact, to reduce your risk, open PO Boxes in a few different nations, or rent houses in cheap locals with a mailbox that drops mail inside the residence and you'll have a few options to work with.

On an added note, it might be fun to take a look at which countries could be easily entered without documents, due to poor border security.

As an example, I could pretty much guarantee that Canada could be accessed without going through an official border route without getting noticed.

[Screwston]

(01-15-2014 09:50 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 03:39 PM)houston Wrote:  

Is it possible to fly out to a country, find a job under the table and stay there for years? I know there has to be Americans illegally doing that all over.

My friend told me that in Brazil, at least in the medium sized where he lives, it's possible to teach English without immigration papers and get paid under the table. Then, if you are tired of your illegal status, you can marry a Brazilian girl and get the papers, eventually even become a citizen.

Probably have to be white to do that. I would be worried about getting busted and banned from a country or continent for life. Staying and working illegally...seems risky but I don't know .

[Emancipator]

What about going on the lam domestically?


There was this good Reddit AMA of a nomad type, he would move city to city with different identities. He'll set up a few months in one place and then completely disappear and move on to the next.

Being an urban nomad would be very interesting.

[Suits]

(01-16-2014 01:49 AM)Emancipator Wrote:  

What about going on the lam domestically?


There was this good Reddit AMA of a nomad type, he would move city to city with different identities. He'll set up a few months in one place and then completely disappear and move on to the next.

Being an urban nomad would be very interesting.

This would be a very good option for disappearing for a while until you had things set up to move abroad. If you were disappearing to avoid getting screwed over financially, this would make most of your money transfer problems go away for the time being.

The trick would be to keep income coming in or to avoid significant spending, to make the $300,000 last as long as possible. You certainly wouldn't be in the position to invest it.

I would suggest a rotary travel schedule, based on weather. Hot California in the winter and the northern states in the summer. You could pull a Jack Reacher and just use Greyhound to get around. Camping outdoors would be very doable for someone who avoided harsh weather. You'd be able to occasionally check in at hotels without spending too much money if you spend most nights in the woods, in a tent.

Not much of a lifestyle, however.

You could also stay in cities, but then you'd have to find a place to rent that didn't require ID and was affordable. At all of the private held houses I've lived in with other students, I've kept rent down to $300 or less per month and the landlord has never asked for ID.

[jimukr104]

If its child support it is hard..becasue the FEDS are involved and that means foreign countries with treaties help. But if it was escaping Alimony or other creditors its very easy. Most countries don't cooperrate and n oone loooks for you because only Feds hVE POWER OVERSEAS.
In fact how it works is this. You are i ncontempt of court and a bench warrant is issued i nyour name. if you go t oanother state.. they have to find you and petition the court in a different state to put a bench warrant out for you. All states cooperate!
Problem is police DON'T usually hunt people down for open civil bench warrants. Not in a big city. Warrant squads in those cities are going after criminal felons etc. So basically only way you would get caught is if you get pulled over by cops and they run your name and it comes up. Better t oNOT drive so you don't get pulled over.
Above doesn't pertain to child support. Being Federal many other countries cooperate..even Switzerland. The rules tend to be if its a crime in their country then they see you as criminal. Going to a country that doesn't have a child support system does help since chances are a country won't extradite someone for committing what they consider a NON crime.

[pheonix500000]

(01-15-2014 09:50 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 03:39 PM)houston Wrote:  

Is it possible to fly out to a country, find a job under the table and stay there for years? I know there has to be Americans illegally doing that all over.

My friend told me that in Brazil, at least in the medium sized where he lives, it's possible to teach English without immigration papers and get paid under the table. Then, if you are tired of your illegal status, you can marry a Brazilian girl and get the papers, eventually even become a citizen.

Tell me more dude

[Onto]

(01-17-2014 06:49 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

If its child support it is hard..Going to a country that doesn't have a child support system does help since chances are a country won't extradite someone for committing what they consider a NON crime.

This is spot on. It's definitely the child support I'm concerned about. I have 5 years left, and am fine with finishing that, but I stupidly raw dogged a chick a couple weeks ago. Hopefully all is ok, but it got me thinking. At this stage in my life, I don't think I can do another 21 years.

[Tail Gunner]

(01-17-2014 07:07 PM)pheonix500000 Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 09:50 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(01-15-2014 03:39 PM)houston Wrote:  

Is it possible to fly out to a country, find a job under the table and stay there for years? I know there has to be Americans illegally doing that all over.

My friend told me that in Brazil, at least in the medium sized where he lives, it's possible to teach English without immigration papers and get paid under the table. Then, if you are tired of your illegal status, you can marry a Brazilian girl and get the papers, eventually even become a citizen.

Tell me more dude

About what?

I cannot help with the teaching English part, but you are eligible to apply for Brazilian citizenship after only one year of marriage to a Brazilian national.

[NASA Test Pilot]

Position yourself so that you have a passport from one country, your residence in a second country, work (income) in a third country and banking in a forth country. The formula for freedom is taking your ass and your assets and spreading them to the wind.
It is mathematically expressed as F = (A+A) to the infinity power. Throughout history people want take your assets and control your ass. It is no different now. There is nothing illegal about it.

Ideally 2-3 passports, 2-3 countries of residency, mobile work (or retired), banking/finance/storage in 3 or 4 countries,

In the 70´s and 80´s we were called PT´s (perpetual travelers, previous taxpayers, permanent tourist and many others).

[germanico]

If you have a middle name you already have a second identity. Just get some sort of photo ID using that middle name- Homer J. Simpson = H. Jay Simpson.

Cross to Mexico by foot on Laredo Texas bridge number 1. From then on use your second ID if and when asked for one. Mexican police wont care or mind about you, and as long as they are not actively looking for you nobody will care. As a gringo it will be extremely easy to be lost in the crowd of Mexico City, which is a great place to live by the way, specially if you dont stand out. If you dont want to live in Mexico, I wouldnt fly out from the Benito Juarez Intl. in Mexico City as it is one of the busiest, most monitored in the world. Try flying out of Cancun international airport (packed with euro tourists) or take a bus to Costa Rica.

Suits solutions seems the neatest to me. No trail, no paperwork. You could pay a sympathetic sailor a couple Gs to take you to southeast asia. Although 20k sounds cheap for a sailboat, I dont know what the learning curve of sailing would be and I wouldnt like to end up floating in the middle of the pacific all by myself.

Suits, what are the docking costs for such a boat? at 20k is looks to me like a cheaper and much cooler alternative to buying a condo.

[germanico]

Oh, and when you do disappear, erase all your social media accounts if any (erase all the content and deactivate them) and email accounts. Leave all your electronics behind, not even a cell phone.

You can buy a cheap burner phone or laptop after that, but never before, and never use them to access any of your previous accounts. Once a device gets "linked" to an account, it leaves a trail that can be used to get to you.

Check out this article: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/ar...ne/374837/ I would use the method this guy used to perhaps get a drivers license but I wouldnt risk a passport under a pretended identity.

EDIT: Just realized this was a resurrected post. Any news on Onto's whereabouts?

[jake1720]

Encrypt bitcoin and host in somewhere online.

[roberto]

(01-24-2016 03:17 AM)germanico Wrote:  

Oh, and when you do disappear, erase all your social media accounts if any (erase all the content and deactivate them) and email accounts. Leave all your electronics behind, not even a cell phone.

You can buy a cheap burner phone or laptop after that, but never before, and never use them to access any of your previous accounts. Once a device gets "linked" to an account, it leaves a trail that can be used to get to you.

Check out this article: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/ar...ne/374837/ I would use the method this guy used to perhaps get a drivers license but I wouldnt risk a passport under a pretended identity.

EDIT: Just realized this was a resurrected post. Any news on Onto's whereabouts?

He last logged in today, so if he did go on the run he's not making a very good job of it....

[tomtud]

Interesting thread.... I personally would rent or buy a sail boat and sail to the countries I wanted to live in and then move if needed. If the money was in a foreign bank account and the ATM card can be used, simply sail into one port or drive to another country with the intention of leaving asap.

Good luck to those who do.

[Sonoma]

I know a few Mexicans who have used someone else's identification. How hard is that?

[germanico]

(01-26-2016 06:02 PM)Sonoma Wrote:  

I know a few Mexicans who have used someone else's identification. How hard is that?

Ive seen those IDs. They serve so an employer can say "oh, he showed ID so I hired him" and have plausible deniability when the heat comes, but for nothing else. They are not going to fool the law with those.

[Deepdiver]

Stealing someone's identification or fraudulent Social Security Cards is a federal crime and totally unnecessary.

I have a very wealthy friend who was constantly being sued as a matter of course in the securities business by clients as standard operating procedure to vett his mortgage backed properties he packaged. This was considered due diligence by the buyers and he got fed up because it was costing him $10K to $15K in legal fees on each case.

So he reached out to some Swiss consultants and they helped him set up three IBCs (International Business Corporations - common vehicles in many British Commonwealth of nations countries that interestingly do not exist in the USA) - in of all places the Bahamas... one IBC tied to each of his major hedge operation trading accounts and a holding IBC to sweep profits into to mitigate counter party risk.

Why Bahamas? They charge a 1% to 1.5% annual fee on the balance on the total amount in the IBC account but do not tax income earned outside the Jurisdiction so ideal for hedge fund trading accounts or export import businesses. So they guard this IBC fee income with a vengeance in their local British Commonwealth Common law courts.

The British Commonwealth complies with all OECD regs and stays off US Treasury tax haven lists but uses good old British dotting all i's and crossing all T's and does not just freeze accounts without warning like US banks on the whim of a pissed off wife or creditor or IRS. You have to pay all court expenses in these jurisdictions and all court costs and defense legal bills if you file and lose a legal action in these countries (Bahamas, Grand Cayman and Belize) so lots of hurdles to discourage nuisance suits.

I purchased Nomad Capitalists report PDF on best places for US citizens for offshore banking which has become complicated due to FATCA... what a lot of folks are doing is setting up offshore trusts that own all beneficial shares of their IBCs and appointing a nominee trustee that can only act on direction of the lead beneficiary You - these regulations vary from place to place but similar in most safe banking jurisdictions.

I would then take the original $300K and split it up in three countries with solid electronic banking in two different banks per country again to minimize counter party risk of any one bank defaulting.

You can just wire transfer the money to the sweeper account and re-transfer to the six offshore accounts you have previously set up in various Export Import or IBC corporate names. At this time I would personally use Bahamas, Belize, FSU Georgia - unless you want to go Pac Rim and Singapore and Kuala Lumpur if not Cambodia come to mind.

I would hire a bangler on small salary to help run the ExIm businesses hats or coffee or cigars in Panama, Belize or Nicaragua, Spices in Singapore and Wines in FSU Georgia... idea is a nice little EXIM biz in each location with a different bangler office manager on a very short leash... NOTE you keep total control over all Banks and only pay them a percentage of the profits they generate - Pimponomics 101 - but legal. They only get paid after YOU get paid and they have no access to your reserve capital IBC or Trust accounts.

Another nice racket er um business is financing uber drivers cars or high ride fee SUVs for a min amount per day or week fee - good conditioned used cars low mileage that conform to UBER rules. Lots of migrants driving cars and SUVs this way in Boston. Nice SUV they operate but owned and insured by someone else. These guys work 16+ hour days 7 days a week and split the fees with the mini financiers. Honestly lots of "students" or tourists that got a license in Sanctuary State and city Boston MA and just overstayed living with room rental or something cheap.

Office manager beezies can be sly so you want total control and approval of any expenditures over $500.00 with alerts and check your on line accounts frequently especially after any alerts. ONLY you have access to your on line reserve accounts.

Simple little ExIm businesses or trading hedge funds are completely legal and not under the control of FATCA.

You set up each bangler with a proton mail account and for yourself and all emails are encrypted and kept on their SWISS servers outside the NSA prying eyes. In business success is secrecy and secrecy is success.

There are other more agressive strategies like marrying a foreign national in her country - gaining citizenship and changing your legal name and disappearing from the USA with a new international Passport.

Not quite as clean and kosher - a former manager had a nasty breakup with his ex wife who ran off with her lezbie lover - so he was enraged to say the least - he changed his first and middle name on his birth certificate with the help of his photoshop skills and just filed on-line for a new real legit Social Security Card and new Number based upon where he was currently living.

He kept the old card for his wife and her attorney to try to track him down and always kept a small account he would deposit cash in a local account near her so he could transfer her child support payments from but whenever he got a new job he would just use his new name that would not get found by her lazy lawyers and direct deposit to a new account under his new name and social and got a new drivers license in the new state that way as well - now there are legal issues and you are not supposed to have more than one social security card or number at a time but with a bit of Photoshopping skills on a Birth Certificate he got a real second SSN and card. Of course you have to be smart and not post your new job profile on LinkedIn or Faceyspaces etc...

He was also able to get a new mortgage with clean slate credit without all the child support baggage showing up and being flagged.

NOW if the OPs $300K was in all cash I would take a short Cruise to the Bahamas on a three day weekender and get lost at a major Casino (Atlantis anyone) wifi lounge with the cash in my PC and accessories bag and either deposit funds as a high roller, play some slots for credibility and then get a Casino check to take to the local IBC banks or just see what the cash deposit limits per day are to avoid money laundering red flags - that is after your IBC accounts are set up takes about one day per bank. Dress biz casual but not flashy.

If your name becomes radioactive then you have to go the old tried and true old lady route and set stuff up in your old ladies name - and live a low profile life and keep to yourself - keep in mind Whitey Bulger Top 10 FBI most wanted hid out in the open in a California Beach Town for 16 years before he got caught over a conversation about some strays they kept as pets.

DISCLAIMER I am in no way advocating any one do anything illegal and the IBC and ExIm gambits are totally legal under USA and International law. The dual SSN thing is a bit shady but if a bezatch getting nasty with you over child support they can't get blood from a rock they can not find.

PM me for a copy of the offshore banks PDF...

[Onto]

(01-26-2016 03:23 PM)roberto Wrote:  

(01-24-2016 03:17 AM)germanico Wrote:  

Oh, and when you do disappear, erase all your social media accounts if any (erase all the content and deactivate them) and email accounts. Leave all your electronics behind, not even a cell phone.

You can buy a cheap burner phone or laptop after that, but never before, and never use them to access any of your previous accounts. Once a device gets "linked" to an account, it leaves a trail that can be used to get to you.

Check out this article: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/ar...ne/374837/ I would use the method this guy used to perhaps get a drivers license but I wouldnt risk a passport under a pretended identity.

EDIT: Just realized this was a resurrected post. Any news on Onto's whereabouts?

He last logged in today, so if he did go on the run he's not making a very good job of it....

I could never give up the forum. Turns out I didn't need to make a break for it so I'm still chained to my desk-job here in corporate America, but seeing this thread again reminds me I should look into some of Deepdiver's suggestions.