[Teedub]

This forum has grown from a strictly game forum, to a pretty broad place where diverse manosphere ideas come to accommodate each other. Cardguy isn't a troll, at all. It's a travesty he's being labelled as such.

He is MGTOW though, so perhaps this isn't the best forum for him, sure. Although, he supplies so much value outside of game that it would be a complete travesty to label him as a troll.

Long live cardguy, your threads are very much valued and very much read, and I for one, value your contributions.

[Shotgun Styles]

(12-15-2013 07:23 PM)SpecialEd Wrote:  

^Moderation is key.

This. A player must have self control. But if you're not going to enjoy life, what's the point. You want to spend your whole life drinking wheat grass juice so that you can have a six pack? Fuck that.

Anything done to excess can be harmful. Most unhealthy things done in moderation can be fun.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(12-15-2013 04:40 PM)SpecialEd Wrote:  

There does seem a philosophical split in the red pill community. It reminds me of the stoics vs. epicurean debates in the waning years of the Roman Republic. In a forum with such a hedonistic agenda, some of the recommendations are comically ascetic. Dont drink. Dont eat... Dont watch porn. Dont fap. Basically, sacrifice all in the pursuit of pussy. If that isn't placing women on a pedestal, I don't know what is. Porn is only a problem if you think it is. Its all in the mind. Most of the guys whining about it are Americans who have an irrational guilt complex about fapping due to the puritanical roots of their society. Slap yourself out of it! In the meantime, I will continue the all of the above approach: fap, porn and fuck women. Why? Because I enjoy it and life is meant to be enjoyed.

The phrase "Putting the pussy on the pedestal" might be the most misquoted and misunderstood sentence in all the manosphere along with "Humans are not naturally monogamous".

The first problem is this: if you're not having fun, you're doing it wrong. I personally gain enjoyment from knowing that I have a sense of self-control and won't stuff myself silly with chocolate, alcohol or porn, all of which would almost be guaranteed to be detrimental to my future health and future pleasure (by numbing my receptors).

Having self-control is a reward unto itself. Calling it "comically ascetic" is just wrong. Asceticism, like anything else, is a tool for maximization of pleasure. No one here is promoting asceticism out of sadomasochism or guilt, and visualizing it as some kind of self-punishment is grossly misleading. If you honestly believe that people here don't enjoy life, then you're just trolling us.

Which leads to the second problem: "guilt". How are you possibly finding an "irrational guilt complex" here? I've never talked to a single person off this forum who was even the slightest under the influence of a puritanical society or following some sort of religious dogma just because someone instructed them to. You won't find a more anti-puritanical place anywhere on Earth, starting with our sharp dismissal of white-knighting and refusing to view women as pure/morally superior creatures like 90% of society does. If anyone here is skipping porn, it is certainly not due to irrationality.

That naturally leads to the third problem: biology places women on the pedestal no matter what you think about it. We all know what pedestalization is: having your self-worth dependent on how much approval you gain from the (theorethically) superior female beings. Seeking to fuck hot women and realizing that many things in life were actually set up to allow us that (such as old cultures knowing that sloth is bad, or guessing that excessive porn/masturbation can be destructive for your sexual drive) is not pedestalization. Your argument is the phrase misunderstood and taken to its logical extreme, but no one here actually lives like that. We could just as well say that breathing is pedestalization.

[kosko]

This has been my 'nicorete' from porn as of late:

Like I would probably plunder and drag this girl behind a bush if I seen her walk past. Her body type is on primal level for me and I would probably drop everything I am doing to go in for an approach. I have to train a bunch of broads in the New Year from work so I am actually trying to *learn* some lady friendly routines, especially for the booty...

This video is a perfect example of how it used to be. there is nothing to fast forward too, their is no known upcoming climax that your brain wants you to cheat towards, there is no unrealistic examples of tits, ass, and pussies to look at, no unrealistic viewpoints.... Its all just good ol' tight skins and curves all around. I don't feel like a zombie after I watch these videos, I don't fap to them, but I just get a aggressive boost and that's the biggest take away a man should get from being stimulated.

If a man is being stimulated and then after is depleted of energy it has been to much. The best analogy I can give is with children and their large, but limited reserves of energy. Part of being a child is that you have to learn with time and practice (and through means of discipline) how to control you energy levels from being spent from the stimulation of the outside world. Little kids would go balls deep in playing around and completely tire themselves out for a nap. This is no different then your body being overly stimulated from insulin via a carbohydrate heavy meal and then the sluggish depleted feeling after words. both instances the body needs to balance how it is stimulated, and how it expends that energy in a natural and balanced manor. If the Man is being stimulated properly, and has a surge of energy to do all things manly like seek, destroy, lead, build, hunt, etc, then its a win a win. For those few whom say they get surges after wanking one, maybe that is true. Many times even after a bang I am still so riled up I have to rifle off some rounds to edge myself off. Many, a majority would be the opposite where post-wank a nap and meal, or just fog headedness and lack of motivation would be the result

For the majority whom rifle off a round solo it depletes you of energy, energy escapes you and you never regain anything as you would from a woman. During the exchange of sex, aside from fluids and slap marks you are also exchanging energy back and forth. Its the only instance where a man takes anything from a woman, the only time a woman gives a man anything is by starting his life, or during intercourse (and American divorce where she takes half his money). This is mystic type stuff but it is all a reality though, and very interesting on a deep thought level when you think about it all. As you are drawing out energy from the female into you and vise versa leaving you both at a fluid balance at the end. This is why after sex a dude can be at his most calm and balanced state, the only time I ever like to lie with a girl is after sex, I hate cuddling in any other situation, but I enjoy it after sex.

Back to the mild imagery.

Think about to when you were a kid, if you were are in a certain age range this was the most x-rated shit you were pulling it to as a youngster:

If your around my age, you remember this bad Polynesean-Flipina-American broad whom every morning would have her tities out on ESPN/TSN.

Even a strip club is in the mild category because you are giving your brain a fair chance to keep pace with the stimulation it is receiving. It can keep its balance and enjoy the stimulation for what it is. Classic porn in magazines and on regular video though a step up still mirrored this formula. you couldn't cheat your brain because even with a video you had to physically fast-forward and rewind things which took time for your brain to keep pace with the visuals.

[Bill]

Kosko you made me horny with your workout girls vids now I´ve got to fap.

Again nothing is wrong with porn and fapping but you have to do it right. I can fap 7 times a day and won´t lose any energy as I know how to do it. Important is that you have to do some cardio in between and also sitting is bad it makes one lazy. Doing most things at a standing desk is best so your blood can flow properly which is important as you need blood for your dick. Fappin in a standing position is best and using dance music is also very good. After all fapping is another kind of workout. You work your almost full body. You will have body tension even on your face.

Somebody should open a thread about the art of fapping or zen of fapping whatever.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

If you're going to go this route, make it interactive. Find a phone sex buddy or a cybersex partner.

That way, you at least get the real-time feedback from a woman, plus you pave the way for an eventual hook-up.

This is harder to do now than it was ten years ago. Why? One person: Mark Zuckerberg.

Facebook changed the online game from a bunch of men and women revealing their true pervy selves under screen names on AOL and Yahoo to having to be *themselves* under their real names. Yahoo Messenger died and online relations between men and women soured because they had to be their so-called "real" selves, not their online personas.

It's probably not a coincidence that feminist blogs and the manosphere took off around the time Facebook did -- men and women couldn't connect the way they had since the early '90s and anger and frustration set in.

Huge digression from the posted topic, I know. But my main point was that any kind of fapping was a lot better when you could meet a different woman each night to do it with AND have the prospect of meeting her in real life.

Plus, fake porn tits are so ugly I don't know how anyone gets excited about them except plastic $urgeons.

[ikkyu]

I love me some fuckin porno. Porn vs pussy is a false dichotomy. They're even better together. Get a bitch to watch porn with you and show you all the filth she craves and then shove some cantaloupes up her ass or whatever.

But seriously, I see them as two different things that aren't really interchangeable. I certainly wouldn't forgo sex with a 6.5+ to play with myself unless she was totally insufferable or I was really sick or something. And while I could certainly live without porn I can't imagine life without both masturbation and sex and I try to savor both. It's kind of depressing to me how many guys talk about it like they just sort of rub one out mechanically to bust a quick nut. C'mon homies, make sweet love to yourselves.

Also I agree totally on old school internet chatrooms being a lost Eden. Not only did I get to talk to a bunch of perverted skanks about their misadventures, I met some pretty interesting and fucked up dudes and still talk to two of them. "Social media" is a disgusting atrocity. Fuckerberg is an inhuman monster with his very own hell awaiting him when he dies.

[Teddykgb]

(12-15-2013 01:40 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

From the link Topdog provided.

God this image can't be more true for myself.

Quoted for the truth

I've realized I use masterbation to not come off as thirsty.

If I don't masterbate for 3 or 4 days and also don't get laid I will be way too horny to game and come off thirsty.

[cardguy]

My laptop broke down for a couple of days a couple of months ago.

Had this song (thanks to Tuthmosis!) rattling round my head the whole time.

[cardguy]

And when my laptop was fixed. This was the song I played immediately...

[Mr. Butterworth]

ROTFLMFAO @ "I am thirsty" song.... oh man, that's my new favorite "I need some pussy" song...

I need the link so I can save to my phone

[cardguy]

Full credit to Tuthmosis for that find!

PS Here is the link if you need the details for your iPhone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFjM28h5TuQ

[Mr. Butterworth]

on the Fap note....

I have to cycle on and off..... I find that if I go to long without jerking off.. the thirst is too fucking strong and I start getting all googly eyed (wanting to be all sweet and shit) when I see bitches...

I start imagining the pussy to be waaaaaay better than it actually is.. becomes to much for me.

on the other hand.. the longest I've went without jerking it or sex is 60 days.. I'll say that I really felt this type of peace that I've never felt before.. my thoughts were so fucking clear. sex had finally "left" my mind.. when sex would try to creep in there. it was easily blocked out..

however i was aware of the actually date that my dick would be getting wet again so that helped also....

time to tapper off again