[Thomas the Rhymer]

I though this thread was going to link a cool new Google Group.

[Shotgun Styles]

There are Thinkers and there are Doers. Society needs both. Philosophers and warriors both have merit and both contribute in their own ways.

Cardguy is a thinker. In the "what members do you read" thread I acknowledged him. Throughout history some of the greatest minds never left the comfort of their writing chair, and yet produce the philosophies and stories that guide the greatest of us to more astonishing heights.

Cardguy is not a troll and his contributions to this board are legion.

[WanderingSoul]

(12-14-2013 04:42 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

You are brainwashed by society if you value 'the real thing' over porn. I would rather masterbate over a '10' than fuck a '7'. Maybe I am sick - but I would rather look at perfection than look at second best. I don't compromise in any of my other interests. And I am certainly not going to compromise when it comes to looking at hot chicks.

If you fucking '10s', '9s' or '8s' - fair enough. None of this applies to you. But if you are slumming around with '7s' and below then you are wasting a good wank on some ugly skank. It isn't worth it.

Have you ever fucked a 10? Are you a virgin?

No one turns down a legit 7 unless there is a very good reason, and wanting to jerk off to a 10 on your computer screen isn't a very good reason. Banging a 7 certainly isn't "slumming it", and they definitely aren't "ugly skanks".

Although I think a few of these "7s" below are actually "6s", how could you possibly rather jerk off to some porno than bag these chicks?

This MGTOW shit is getting out of hand. I suspect it's guys who can't get any pussy and decide to go MGTOW so they feel better about themselves, like getting no pussy is their choice, not the girls.

[Shotgun Styles]

Cool board, bro.

[kosko]

That's a strange list. I generally always try to fuck "9s "then going off that list but the girls I like to approach I view as 6s and 7s. Porn completely warped my reality of women. Those "5s" and "6s" and some "7s" on that chart I would have a hard time getting hard for even though most have nothing wrong with them. I turn down easy pussy sometimes because I know they won't get me hard. Porn completely messed up my expectations. What's crazy is that even now as I just starting back up to quit watching it I get more regular Norene's out and about just by seeing and smelling hot girls. Before I had to be explicitly sexual with them (making out, touching, grinding, or he'll even naked or near naked) for me to get hard.

People just don't want to see the lights. Nothing goof comes from porn and please take this from a guy whom has been watching online porn now for over 10 years. It's completely fried my brain, visual stimulation does not do it for me as much. I get off more on the sounds and vibe of sex then the visual act of fuking a girl. Her moans get me off as her sensuality more so then anything sexual, this is all a result of porn frying my visual and carnal instincts. I'm lucky that it was not that, and not worse like many other men whom get to deep into porn and start watching weird shit like clown and Tranny porn.

You might luge but what is the end goal? That hot 10 you see on screen gets boring and all your chasing different fetishes and niches. For me it was ethnic and I liked watching girls of all shades an hues get railed. Once that got boring I realized there was not much left. Before my no-porn streak I got back into lesbian porn which was good because it was more sensual but I only enjoyed the ones in which there was clearly a more dominant women and that again seemed off.

Also was off is that I needed audio for lesbian porn, I never watched regular porn much with sound so my audio sexual receptors are still in tact, hearing a girl moan turns me into animal, mostly fuck for this reason. But it was a sign I had I stop since if my own audio receptors were still strong then they would be subject to damage just like my visual receptors. Obviously things like smell and touch (for now) are off limits to damage via prom but that is soon changing via technology. The end goal will just end up being lobotomized men. Nothing is better then a real woman so no need to rationalize and promote other means.

Just take this as a voice from the future all you dudes that love watching porn. You will fuck yourself up down the road and lead yourself into a circle trap that I am now in. Which the only thing that gets me off is the sensuality and sounds of sex via the moan of the girl, but since porn has fried up my brain, it's hard or me to get carnal on a visual level since no girl I'm fuking looks anything as good to pornstars. Plus ,the years of aggressive wanking has fooled my dick into thinking that's only thing that's good. I have shirty performance issues that were never around growing up because my dick is used to my hand and not a warm hole now. Agian people think this is jokes, I wish my issues on no man so take these words as a great warning.

I'm convinced now DIGITAL (important distinction) Porn has always been a soft-weapon against men. It's delusional to think that porn is some power play for men, its a joke. It makes us docile and complacent while it ruins the back brain sensory of our carnal minds, destroys our ability to have realistic expectations to sex, and can lead some men down paths of fuked up deviance of trannys and other weird shit like clowns, ponys, and scat.

A parallel example is the smartphone, which is the female equivalent to males and porn. Both are toxic over-stimulants to the back brains of both sexes. Smartphones lobotomize women. I seen some cute girl look completely tweaked out on the train today with her (I assume new) IPad. She totally ignored her friend she was on the train with, and was so consumed with sending messages on it. I could see she had the crazies in her because she did some mannerisms in her face that only crazy people can do. She was cute, a mixed Asian girl whom I would of gladly fuked but I got a bad vibe of her mental state. Her iPad totally brought that out in her and was obviously to much stimulation for her to function normally. You could hear her brain synapse's frying up as she wizzed through her IPad. We see this shit everyday with women but men are to delusional with porn and our own male hamster to admit its the exact fuking same thing.

[WanderingSoul]

(12-15-2013 02:00 AM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:  

Cool board, bro.

I think it's about a point too high for most of the girls, but a fairly accurate description of what a 6-10 is. At least in my mind.

All of the girls in the 5 row should be bumped down to 4, and most of those 6s I would call 5s, and half of the 7s I'd drop to 6.

[kosko]

(12-15-2013 06:38 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 02:00 AM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:  

Cool board, bro.

I think it's about a point too high for most of the girls, but a fairly accurate description of what a 6-10 is. At least in my mind.

All of the girls in the 5 row should be bumped down to 4, and most of those 6s I would call 5s, and half of the 7s I'd drop to 6.

That makes more sense. It's all also subjective as many of the "8s" I prefer over the "9s".

[Peregrine]

cardguy Wrote:

I don't compromise in any of my other interests. And I am certainly not going to compromise when it comes to looking at hot chicks.

You're compromising by relying on porn. Porn is another step removed from the Forms. It's a facsimile of a facsimile. And while we're at it, why bother with real life when you can be whoever you want in a video game (with minimal effort)?

Kudos for expressing an unpopular opinion though. I was unsure whether it was satire for awhile.

[topdog]

Related:

http://laidnyc.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/...-jack-off/

[MidniteSpecial]

I don't always fap. But when I do I watch telemundo.

[Statsi]

My understanding is that masturbating to porn lowers your testosterone, is addictive, floods your brain with endorphins that damages your ability to derive pleasure from sex or even to respond to anything but the most full on sexual stimulus, and of course lowers your desire for sex. I'm at work so I can't provide sources until I get off, pun intended.

Sex increases testosterone, is good exercise, bonds you with your partner, gains you respect from your fellow man, causes women by instinct to wish to provide you food, services, and gifts, and having a lot of sex makes you more attractive to women.

I won't mention the biological imperative since you don't wish to have kids. Also I'll leave out the pleasure difference since you seem to feel that pleasure is a waste of time also. I'm not sure what purpose there is in life beyond achievement and seeking happiness. Certainly sex adds to your life, the only downside is the time sink. Masturbating to porn takes from your life, the only advantage is the time gained. I'd say masturbate and use your imagination, or go completely celibate and don't masturbate ever as this would gain you more time.

[MidniteSpecial]

Fapping for 30 minutes a day without ejaculating was the only thing that cured my premature ejaculation.

Fapping to cum as quick as possible as a teen is what caused my premature ejaculation.

BUT. I believe fapping and ejaculating everyday is bad for a mans health. Sperm is life, literally. And every time you cum you give some of that life away. That's why you are so tired and hungry after you bust. Would you want to fight someone after busting a nut? Think about it.

At least in raw sex you get the woman's juices absorbed into your penis which gives you energy and stamina. Yin and yang. Flapping is just yang on yang. Which to much of results in an no balance.

A lot of the religious sins actually have a lot of merit scientifically.

Don't masterbate.

Don't over eat.

Don't mix milk and meat.

Eat your bread in the morning and meat at night.

Don't lie. (Science proves its bad for your health)

And so on...

[tylerdurden1993]

My thoughts on this is that porn has had a very negative contribution to my lifeas I used to use it a lot between the ages of 13-18 im now 20. It completely distorts your view of sex and after I used it I always felt terrible that it was a waste and I knew it was harmful.
Im now trying to cut it out my life for good I go through stages of not using it at all to using it once/twice a week usually after not pulling from a night out. On the subject of preferring porn to sex I would rather have sex with a 5/10 girl than masturbate over a 9/10. Having sex in my opinion is a million times better than masturbating over images on the screen.

[cardguy]

I get alot of flack - yet my entire life I have only ever fucked '9's' and '10's'.

How?

Hookers.

[Bill]

That masturbation sucks energy is not true for everybody. Matter of fact is when I was in a relationship I gained weight and got depressed. Now with a lot of porn and being 40 years old I have my peak fitness doing 25 one hand push ups with 12kg rucksack. I am also running 10 km daily. When you do these things you will be fitter than with chasing women. But to come to that level you have to develop some skills for using porn. I for example use only the porn on my harddisk and not online porn.

I think the opinion of cardguy is important as peoply very easily get stuck in grouphink which happens quite often. Critical thinking is important otherwise the hamster rationalizations will come. Many guys life became fucked up from chasing pussy or taking the "real thing" which is mostly a fat women who then sucks them from their money and energy.

There are many man who live a good life without chasing women all day long.

There are guys with many approaches and without almost none notches. These kind of things can be bad for mental health.

Anyway in my case porn helps me more to be horny with girls than without porn. There are many man who feel the same.

The important thing here is ROI. Here are many guys who spend so much money for chasing women it would be cheaper to go for p4p.

I am all for self improvement though you don´t need girls for that. Often girls can hinder one to better themselfs. Girls love to suck energy so one can end pretty bad. There are many players who end up being mental midgets. Matter of fact is you will not find mental giants in this forum as people are to busy chasing pussy, making money, making dope connection, getting dopest clothes, finding best testosterone so it is nice to have some guys who are more into intellectual stuff.

And it is important to have the skills to be content without girls it makes one more free.

Of course as a young guy I see why chasing pussy becomes a mission but life is not always and maybe should not be about chasing pussy.

[cardguy]

I have said it before - but the best thing that ever happened to my 'game' was when I told girls to their face that porn and hookers offered me more than they ever could. One chick immediately got her tits out when I said that - in an effort to prove me wrong. Anyone ever come up with a more effective line than that?

It doesn't work for all girls. But a sizable minority responded to that attitude since to them it was a mixture of arrogance and not giving a shit.

That attitude isn't too far away from the mindset that 'game' advocates.

Plus it is funny. And if nothing else it is much better than the 'trying to nice my way into pussy' which I tried for a few years.

[pants]

This probably should not be a discussion on CardGuy, although I disagree on several of his opinions on Hookers, training and realize yourself. That said, this forum would be pointless if everyone had the exact same opinions on these subjects.

Personal I believe porn in anything more than small amounts are not healthy, same goes with masturbating. I watched a documentary on youtube on how it affects your brain, and it´s defiantly nothing I would put my brain through.

[cardguy]

Let's get philosophical here.

Women don't give a fuck if guys use porn. Because - they feel no shame about sex. Most of them have shame that they are not more into sex. And most of them have shame thet their pussy is broken and it is difficult/impossible to make orgasm.

I can see why guys have shame when they think about porn. Because we know how dark, overwhelming and fucked up our sex drives can be. I fele that shame to - but Inhave trained myself to laugh at it.

But women don't think like that. The male sex drive is literally inconceivable to them.

Which ironically means - that when you confess to being the perverted hound dog that you are - they have no way of processing that information. Since they have no experience of the hundreds of wasted hours that men have spent jerking off and thinking about jerking off.

The same is true of food but in reverse. A guy can eat anything he wants and not give a shit.

Not women.

Do you know how many of them self-harm (anorexia, bullemia and cutting)? And do you know what the main reason is? To purge themselves of the guilt and shame they feel because of the 'bad' food they ate. And it is the hottest girls who are most likely to have this fucked up mindset.

I remember a girl writing that when a group of girls meet up for a meal - the fattest one never eats the most. Because of the self hate that they have - it results in them not eating more than the others in the group.

Conversely - the skinniest girl will often eat the most - as a way of showing off how thin she is without (apparently) having to watch what she eats. Food, and weird mind games and guilt are hand in hand for women.

So - when a guy comes along and is unapologetic about his attitude to sex, porn and hookers. Women just have no criteria to judge you by. In the same way I would struggle to comprehend the 'guilt' a girl feels over eating a cream cake. I could comprehend it on a rational level - but I could never directly feel the emotional guilt that such food causes girls.

And because women have no direct experience of the overpowering nature of the male sex drive. They actually think you are lying or exaggerating when you say how perverted you are.

So - you really have nothing to lose by telling them to their face that GOOGLE will be a better girlfriend than she ever will be.

[cardguy]

From the link Topdog provided.

[Peregrine]

Age is a factor too. I can understand if an older gent goes the porn and hookers route. If you want 18 to 22 year old girls, you're probably looking at a ridiculously outsized effort unless your lifestyle is phenomenal. If you're under 35, it's a male hamster copout.

[cardguy]

What is pulling women?

Quote:

“The art of getting a wimminz, who is a mental patient, who doesn’t actually like men, who doesn’t actually like sex, who doesn’t actually like you, to decide to have sex with you.“

No wonder it is so difficult.

Props to my new favourite blogger!

https://wimminz.wordpress.com/2013/06/28...e-economy/

[Tigre]

[SpecialEd]

There does seem a philosophical split in the red pill community. It reminds me of the stoics vs. epicurean debates in the waning years of the Roman Republic. In a forum with such a hedonistic agenda, some of the recommendations are comically ascetic. Dont drink. Dont eat... Dont watch porn. Dont fap. Basically, sacrifice all in the pursuit of pussy. If that isn't placing women on a pedestal, I don't know what is. Porn is only a problem if you think it is. Its all in the mind. Most of the guys whining about it are Americans who have an irrational guilt complex about fapping due to the puritanical roots of their society. Slap yourself out of it! In the meantime, I will continue the all of the above approach: fap, porn and fuck women. Why? Because I enjoy it and life is meant to be enjoyed.

[The Lizard of Oz]

Not so fast, SpecialEd. The things you're talking about -- porn, masturbation, drinking etc -- are not all the same. And the reasons why people may or may not want to avoid them are not the same either.

Let me address drinking. As I made clear in the drinking wagon thread, the reasons I encourage guys who have been drinking hard to consider taking an extended and complete break have nothing to do with any kind of asceticism. Just the opposite. To quote from my OP in that thread:

Quote:

Guys often warn about the damage inflicted by porn, but drinking is far more devastating to a man's psyche than porn. Very often guys will look for any and all reasons for the decline in their libido, and blame it on "aging", when in truth they need look no further than the sauce.

Yes, there are those who can do fine with drinking for many years. But this is a genetic gift and it is rare. And even for those dudes, drinking will almost always catch up with them by their late 30s / early 40s at the latest.

And by "catching up" I don't necessarily mean the obvious things like bad hangovers or blackouts. Sooner or later almost all drinkers will start to feel a strange flavorlessness, a subtle sense of deadness, creep into their spirits. And they'll blame it on anything but drink...

As I wrote in an earlier post, one of the most subtly devastating ways in which drinking diminishes men is the boredom that drinkers start to feel with everyday life. And I know from the experience of myself and others close to me that it takes months -- sometimes as long as 6-9 months -- before you begin to recapture the feeling of a natural thankfulness for the everyday and the relishing of simple things from the middle of life that drinking so insidiously blurs. This is why a 1 year wagon is the way to go.

In other words, it precisely the enjoyment of all sorts of things about life, both physical and spiritual, that alcohol robs guys of over time, and by degrees. And the reason why guys who have been drinking hard enough long enough should consider a wagon is so that they can relish life more, not less. No puritans were employed in the construction of my wagon.

[SpecialEd]

^Moderation is key. I enjoy my vices...every single one of them. Sometimes they can get the best of you though. Getting 'on the wagon' is a good way to show yourself that your are in control. I have taken intermittent breaks from a host of things: sex, video games, alcohol, weed, etc...Disciplining yourself to say no is very empowering. God, that sounds so fucking Stoic of me!