[ElRubio]

Like many guys, I was a really nice kid growing up. Really nice. So nice.....I never got laid.

Many of my friends were the same way and only after discovering the fallacy (ie. getting abused by women) of our ways did we become more successful with women. The common theme- our mothers taught us to be overly accommodating to women.

Be a nice guy, help out women, be present for emotional support, cater to them, kiss their ass, forgive their silly fits and tantrums- this is what resonated from our upbringing. We became, in a word.....boring. Weak. BETA.

Now here's the question- why on earth would a woman raise her son to be that way knowing full well women are NOT attracted to that??

Fuck sakes, my mother is about as good as you're going to get on paper (PhD, 140 IQ, salary of >$100,000 for decades) and she readily admits that the main reason she married my father was because he wouldn't chase her when she threw tantrums.

Discuss.

[Pyre]

Most mom's do the best they can. Whether that makes children beta or alpha, mom's do the best they and it reflects on the self-awareness and reality-perception on the mom. You can't hate on a mom for making a son beta if that's all she knows do to social conditioning and blah blah blahing from her friends.

It's up to the child to take what he learned from his parents and from others and to throw away whats bad and keep whats good and acquire new skills.

[Fender_Bender]

My dad is a textbook beta achiever, lets my mom walk all over him and never stands up for himself. It makes me sick sometimes to see it in action, and it definitely was a factor in how beta/retarded with girls I was growing up. Even though I had a great family upbringing with little to no drama the dynamic of "strong woman/acquiescent man" so praised in our fucked up culture has such a dramatic effect on the way the kids turn out. I shudder when I see my sisters exhibit masculine/entitled behavior that they picked up subconsciously from my mom and I call them out on it when I can. My brother is two years younger than me and I've gently pushed him towards some Red Pill stuff so I hope he has taken it. I'm just glad I found the Red Pill, as I think my dad is still fairly clueless even being very successful in his career. He didn't teach me anything about attracting women, and neither did my mom. Sadly sometimes I think women are quick to protect their own sex with pretty lies rather than tell their loved ones the truth. I think there are a lot of Red Pillers like me who floundered around without a clue and found the culture eventually. Scary to think how beta'd out most guys are going to be when the only fools getting married to these "strong women" are weak betas on a desperation trip.

[Cincinnatus]

I was on the path to becoming a supreme beta until my father got out of prison and came back into my life. That happened just as I hit puberty and quit giving a shit about toys and instead showed 100% interest in getting laid. A lot of the advice he gave me is timeless and has helped me get laid many, many times.

My mother was simply doing the best she could. My brother and I had a roof over our heads, three meals a day, and encouragement to do our best at school, but there was no way she could show us how to be a man or how to attract the opposite sex.

[WanderingSoul]

My mom did the opposite. She takes pride in the fact that I bang so many chicks. She brags to her friends and they all think I'm awesome and handsome. Which, I guess they are right.

[Mr. Calicoat]

Yes. And my mom made my dad beta too.

I'm not going to speak ill of my parents on this board, and I do love both my mother and father, but even before I took the red pill could see how much pussy-whipped my father is. He works a full-time job AND does all the household stuff at home, while my mother just works part-time and for the rest of her time she just lazes about and wastes her time on Facebook playing goddamned browser-games like Farmville and Candy Crush (or something like that).

If I ever end up like my father, please shoot me in the head.

[Jaydublin]

After reading no more Mr. Nice Guy I realized that I only had 1 grown man in my life growing up. While I'm very grateful to have had my father, I needed some uncles and at least one grandfather around. I spent most of my time around my mom, dad, aunt and her 2 daughters.

The aunt and her 2 daughters were basically all whores who would regularly call men perverts for anything that could have involved sex or attraction. I ended up always trying not to be looked at as a pervert, actually being afraid to be seen as a pervert. I remember being younger and girls showing all the signals for sexual advance but I was always so afraid to cross the line.... being seen as a pervert was worse for me than actual rejections....BTW Today they all live pretty normal lives except between all 3 of them there are 7 children by 7 different men.

[Volk]

My mom told me to slap a bitch when she throws a tantrum and to punch her if she ever tries to get physical. My dad was the beta who jumped everytime my mom gave me that kind of advice.

[Snowplow]

After reading this and all your comments, it made me think. Everyone grows up differently and we all range in age, so did our parents. Unfortunately, some moms just don't understand this new generation and what we have to deal with. I think they are trying their best to replicate the way they were once approached by our fathers in that time. Being a well to do genuine guy was big back then. They taught us that manners and how to treat women is the way to get them, but with the women of today's day and age it goes way over their heads. Even if they raise daughters, the daughter is poisoned by her friends and celebrity/social media culture. Instead of taking Mommy's values the daughter may feign it for the sake of her mom, but when the shit hits the fan the mother is utterly shocked and surprised how she raised such vile offspring.

[Wahawahwah]

Because women have no fucking idea what they want in a man.

Now here's the question- why on earth would a woman raise her son to be that way knowing full well women are NOT attracted to that??

Same reason why female friends tell their male friends that the way to a girl's heart is through buying her gifts and opening doors for her.

Attraction is pre-assumed.

[Lucario]

Guys, it goes deeper than that. Moms make a child beta in more damaging ways that what is listed in this thread.

1. Moms say hateful things about the dad and manipulate the child to hate the dad because she wants more attention or does not want to submit to her husband because the husband was too dominant.

2. Moms are slacker like majority of women. They will not push their son to work harder and use the best of his capabilities. they will comfort and act as an emotional tampon and protect the son rather than expose the child to mistakes and discomfort so the son learns fro mistakes and thus over comes challenges in a quest for manhood; at he same time playing a guiding hand and offering wisdom.

3. Moms complain, whinge and wine, make excuses do not show determination and grit in hard times; these are the thing that will turn any son into a feminine weak pathetic excuse of a man and are almost the antithesis of strong male leadership and the exact kind of shit that dries up a woman's pussy.

^ I went through all three and all these three are horrible things for a son to be growing up if he wants to be good at attracting women.
if anything, these three been done to you are way worst than your mom telling you " treat girls like princesses" and "bring them flowers" and whatever beta crap she tells you from movies.

[Parlay44]

In tribal areas boys usually stay with their mother's until about 7 years of age. After that they go
into the wild with their father and the other men to hunt and fish.

[funkyzeit]

Yes, but I don't blame her that much. She and my father grew up in times when chivalry was appreciated.

[pitt]

No at all. My mum was a straight G. My mum was more alpha than my dad, my mum fucking ran that house. I was my mum's best friend when I was a kid, she never gave me any advice about women. Thinking about it, as a kid, i don't think anyone ever did. It all came natural to me, women liked me a lot and they simply made it super easy for me as a kid.

I was also born in a tough neighbourhood where literally every kid knew how to fight pretty well and all we talked about was women and if you were a beta, you would get picked on by other guys and women wouldn't fuck with you, your environment really has a huge influence on you.

[ThePrinceOfDixie]

I don't know how heavy my mom's hand in my problems with girls. My father died when I was four and I think that it must have destroyed her emotionally, and I reckon thats why she grew so distant from me as a kid. I know I gained that act out for attention type of deal when she withdrew herself. It hard for me to say how that relates to lack of innate skill with women or if she did the absolute best she could without a man around.

We talk alot about how single mothering is a terrible idea but I cant hate her over it she had no choice. When she was about to remarry when I was thirteen I hated the Idea. Now I realize the best move for our family would have been for her to remarry while I was still a child so I could have gone with knowing the struggle of having no father figure. I needed that man in my life to teach me about girls, drinking, drugs, and fighting. Though I think I am grateful for things to have panned out the way they did, learning by trial and error is much more fun.

[lskdfjldsf]

My mom started a brainwashing campaign when I was about 8 years old (dad caught cheating, parents got divorced). My dad was a very quiet guy but straight up alpha, the dude was crushing young strange on a weekly basis.

Anyways, brainwashing and instilling beta traits in sons is typically a result of a women with hurt feelings. They can't accept that maybe THEY are the reason for cheating, so negativity and her interpretation of things will always be projected to children.

Among the highlights:

- All men are scum.
- Cheaters should be castrated.
- Take care of girls feelings and be open and honest.
- Being a man and taking care of business has negative side effects, and all problems growing up (direct or indirect) were pinned on him.

After years of not talking to my dad, we got drunk as hell together and talked life over for a good 3 or 4 hours, and he explained the truth about my upbringing. Red pill experience if there ever was one.

[YaManBT]

Yup. My Black single mother raised her only child (me) to be Superbeta....and Superbeta I was. I was the most beta dude ever in high school and college. Blick's post about single moms being bitter about men, despite their own bad choices, was spot on with my mom. I don't place blame on her, though, because true red pill is the responsibility for one's own self. Once I had enough experience outside of her home and influences, I began to see things how they were and swallowed the red pill. Also, jaydublin mentioned the book No More Mr. Nice Guy. That book is groundbreaking, and it helped change my life.

[dads]

(12-26-2013 01:02 PM)YaManBT Wrote:  

Yup. My Black single mother raised her only child (me) to be Superbeta....and Superbeta I was. I was the most beta dude ever in high school and college. Blick's post about single moms being bitter about men, despite their own bad choices, was spot on with my mom. I don't place blame on her, though, because true red pill is the responsibility for one's own self. Once I had enough experience outside of her home and influences, I began to see things how they were and swallowed the red pill. Also, jaydublin mentioned the book No More Mr. Nice Guy. That book is groundbreaking, and it helped change my life.

Same deal over here. My mom basically tried to turn me into the opposite of my Dad. Sometimes, I felt like she wanted me to grow up to be her idealized version of a man. As a pretty rebellious kid though, I tried to resist it as much as I could (obviously I didn't know exactly WHAT I was resisting until recently), and besides some little things, I feel like I've come out from 18 years being raised by all women with a large percentage of my manhood intact. Finding the manosphere and the red pill will definitely help me fill out the rest.

[The Beast1]

(12-26-2013 01:18 PM)dads Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 01:02 PM)YaManBT Wrote:  

Yup. My Black single mother raised her only child (me) to be Superbeta....and Superbeta I was. I was the most beta dude ever in high school and college. Blick's post about single moms being bitter about men, despite their own bad choices, was spot on with my mom. I don't place blame on her, though, because true red pill is the responsibility for one's own self. Once I had enough experience outside of her home and influences, I began to see things how they were and swallowed the red pill. Also, jaydublin mentioned the book No More Mr. Nice Guy. That book is groundbreaking, and it helped change my life.

Same deal over here. My mom basically tried to turn me into the opposite of my Dad. Sometimes, I felt like she wanted me to grow up to be her idealized version of a man. As a pretty rebellious kid though, I tried to resist it as much as I could (obviously I didn't know exactly WHAT I was resisting until recently), and besides some little things, I feel like I've come out from 18 years being raised by all women with a large percentage of my manhood intact. Finding the manosphere and the red pill will definitely help me fill out the rest.

Sounds like my story to a T.

I still deal with a helluva lot of resentment. That stuff is poisonous. It has been hard to shake it.

[dads]

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[Tytalus]

Great question, one I've wondered myself. My family did foster care, and listening teenage girls complain about the faults of guys all day (guys they were already attracted to!!!) didn't help me at all. That and most of them were hot but I wasn't allowed to go near them or my mom would get fired really fucked me up.

Some of you have sisters, some of you do not. Imagine having a hot girl put in your house and told, "Oh no, she's your 'sister' so you have to treat her like your real sister and not touch her. Who cares that you don't have a real sister and have no idea what that even means." You wanna bet that will cause problems? Combine that with being a bit of a nerd and not that athletic once I switched to a big high school from a boarding school where I had no rep or crew no girls would talk to me.

So that was the source of most of my "beta". If I was actually really, genuinely attracted to a girl I had a really hard time approaching them because I felt it was "against the rules."

My mom didn't exactly help in some ways. She was always complaining about my dad to my brother and I. She tried to do right by us, but really didn't have any boundaries when it came to complaining about my father. She was big in teaching male chivalry - which at one point in time was effective game. Too bad times changed.

My father really lacks alpha in many ways. That was more damaging than my mother.