[booshala]

I've been away from the forum for a few months because of business, but just wanted to ping anyone in Jakarta now: Will be there from August 19-24, Bangkok from Aug 25-29 and back in Jakarta for the weekend of August 29-31. Have some local friends and am traveling there with my meathead cousin but would be fun to meet up with forum members.

Thanks again Brodiaga for the great intel on Indo: It's going to be a blast.

[Journey]

I'm in JKT right now. I won't be when you get here booshala but a quick heads up, dress code at X2 is pretty strictly enforced. I dont know if they have changed the rules recently or something but I got denied entry twice, once for wearing a tshirt and once for wearing a pair of black Lacoste shoes instead of dress shoes. Had to taxi back to my apartment to change. I was bouncing around a few different clubs(Exodus and Red Square) and none of them took issue with my footwear but X2 stopped me.

The place isnt snobby at all once you are inside though and the girls are DTF. Saw plenty of bule there but it didnt seem to matter much, I went 3 times and pulled twice. The time I didnt pull was a Thursday and it was dead.

[echo park]

(08-10-2014 01:57 AM)Journey Wrote:  

I'm in JKT right now. I won't be when you get here booshala but a quick heads up, dress code at X2 is pretty strictly enforced. I dont know if they have changed the rules recently or something but I got denied entry twice, once for wearing a tshirt and once for wearing a pair of black Lacoste shoes instead of dress shoes. Had to taxi back to my apartment to change. I was bouncing around a few different clubs(Exodus and Red Square) and none of them took issue with my footwear but X2 stopped me.

The place isnt snobby at all once you are inside though and the girls are DTF. Saw plenty of bule there but it didnt seem to matter much, I went 3 times and pulled twice. The time I didnt pull was a Thursday and it was dead.

how is exodus

[Journey]

Echo, the place is nice but I showed up there(Exodus) at about 12 on Saturday and it was dead. Mat Zo was at Dragonfly so that might have stolen some of the party people away but I guarantee X2 was still buzzing at that time(should have just gone directly there). As I was leaving I got eye fucked a few times by girls who were there with other guys so I almost turned around to stay. I was getting a ton of attention(staring/eye fucking) from the girls but they were mostly locked away in groups with older herbs. The place has a shit layout because they dedicate a ton of space to huge circular booths that are reservation only. The dance floor is decent sized but it was a ghost town. I decided to bounce to another club(Prive) and then come back since I had my hand stamped already. Long story short....came back around 1 or 130 and the place had filled up. At first I was thinking great I'm all set and then realized it was all guys. I stayed for one drink and bounced to X2. Something weird about this night because it was the only night I went out that the clubs had such bad ratio's, Ill talk about Prive in a second.

Side note, as I was leaving I get in the elevator and 3 white chicks, maybe 6's at best(clearly FSU), get in behind me. I start talking to them, find out they are from Ukraine, and get attitude when I don't immediately answer their questions about where I'm from. I just asked them to try to guess and the response was like I asked for a BJ. At that point though I couldn't have cared less and just gave a smirk and an eye roll. After being in this city for a while zero fucks are given about this type of thing.

As for Prive, I didnt even make it inside. While I was waiting in a short line to pay the cover the elevator door opened and a bunch(easily 15) dudes poured out. Then, I wish I could have had a video recording because it was a perfect Vine video, the OTHER elevator opens and even more dudes come out of that one. My buddy and I just started cracking up and hit the down button to bounce. They all prob thought we were crazy but the whole entrance to the club was now packed full of Indonesian dudes and not one girl in sight. I didnt even want to pay to go in at that point thinking I should have just gone to X2 from the start. Of course X2 was dope as usual with tons of hot chicks. I am pissed I didnt get to try Immigrant.

[Journey]

Red Square.
IMO this place is beat. Its already been negatively reviewed by other forum members and I agree with them. Smaller than I expected and you always have to think about if the girl you're talking to is working. Also, the wrong kind of white people go there. I went once and wont go back. One thing worth mentioning is that X2 closes at 3 or so and Red Square stays open. Its right across the street so if you strikeout at X2 you could potentially get lucky and pull from Red Square.
An example of this on Friday night, I pulled from X2 at about 2 or so and bounced back to my apartment. My buddy ended up striking out at X2 and went across the street to Red Square and pulled a chick. This girl's friend drove him and the girl to her apartment and just says "take care of her, goodbye". The best part is that he took a girl he didn't want to bang from X2 to Red Square to help him figure out which girls were not working. Obviously from the result, she pointed him in the right direction. May have been a shore but she never asked him for any money. The complete lack of cock blocking is amazing. Girls will actually help you get laid with girls that are not them. Cock boosting.

[echo park]

(08-10-2014 07:43 AM)Journey Wrote:  

Red Square.
IMO this place is beat. Its already been negatively reviewed by other forum members and I agree with them. Smaller than I expected and you always have to think about if the girl you're talking to is working. Also, the wrong kind of white people go there. I went once and wont go back. One thing worth mentioning is that X2 closes at 3 or so and Red Square stays open. Its right across the street so if you strikeout at X2 you could potentially get lucky and pull from Red Square.
An example of this on Friday night, I pulled from X2 at about 2 or so and bounced back to my apartment. My buddy ended up striking out at X2 and went across the street to Red Square and pulled a chick. This girl's friend drove him and the girl to her apartment and just says "take care of her, goodbye". The best part is that he took a girl he didn't want to bang from X2 to Red Square to help him figure out which girls were not working. Obviously from the result, she pointed him in the right direction. May have been a shore but she never asked him for any money. The complete lack of cock blocking is amazing. Girls will actually help you get laid with girls that are not them. Cock boosting.

thanks for the info about exodus, journey - sounds similar to what others have told me - it's shit.

x2 closes at 4-5, not 3, fwiw. i agree that red square is a pretty rough place, but its alright for a pre-drink.

just as a sidenote for this thread - my female friends here (indonesian girls) consistently remark that they meet so many guys that come to jakarta on holiday just to get laid who are really pathetic/boring dudes. ie. tourists come here strutting around like they are the coolest dude in town, without realising that girls in clubs here see through their facade/aren't impressed at all. there was a cringeworthy moment last night at x2 when my friends were humouring this bule by playing along with the pretense that he was 'soooo handsome', flicking their hair etc etc. he was loving it. i wasn't very happy with the fact that they were doing this to him, but it was kind of alarming how often this happened in the space of a few hours. multiple different guys, multiple different groups of girls.

despite the (incorrect) stereotype of indo girls falling over themselves for white guys, a lot of indonesian girls are completely unimpressed by a white guy who struts into jakarta thinking it's lay-city, and i saw many brutal rejections at x2 on saturday night.i personally don't really have a view on this, but i thought i'd bring it up since i've heard it so many times over my last few years here.

one thing i have noticed here is that tourist bule generally fuck far lower quality girls. indo girls are very good at spotting a short stay versus expat scenario. obviously some strike gold though!

[Journey]

(08-10-2014 11:05 AM)echo park Wrote:  

just as a sidenote for this thread - my female friends here (indonesian girls) consistently remark that they meet so many guys that come to jakarta on holiday just to get laid who are really pathetic/boring dudes. ie. tourists come here strutting around like they are the coolest dude in town, without realising that girls in clubs here see through their facade/aren't impressed at all. there was a cringeworthy moment last night at x2 when my friends were humouring this bule by playing along with the pretense that he was 'soooo handsome', flicking their hair etc etc. he was loving it. i wasn't very happy with the fact that they were doing this to him, but it was kind of alarming how often this happened in the space of a few hours. multiple different guys, multiple different groups of girls.

despite the (incorrect) stereotype of indo girls falling over themselves for white guys, a lot of indonesian girls are completely unimpressed by a white guy who struts into jakarta thinking it's lay-city, and i saw many brutal rejections at x2 on saturday night.i personally don't really have a view on this, but i thought i'd bring it up since i've heard it so many times over my last few years here.

one thing i have noticed here is that tourist bule generally fuck far lower quality girls. indo girls are very good at spotting a short stay versus expat scenario. obviously some strike gold though!

Wow I am actually surprised by the first part. I wonder how random dudes even know enough to get the impression that Jakarta would be lay city. Of course from this forum, and some could hear about it from bragging friends who randomly came here, but it's surprising that the information is disseminated that widely. I defer to the masses on that as I could likely be way off base but I thought that was a big part of the reason I get grilled with "Why are you here?" type questions since its not really a hot tourist spot. I haven't been entirely truthful with my responses to those questions, maybe that's why I've done alright.

As for the lame dudes with no style who are bringing low value/boring game and getting clowned, sounds spot on. Thanks for the insights from your Indonesian friends, it must be fun for them to troll people because its so easy. I haven't been here long enough to understand the dynamic yet but that is interesting. In my mind, a random tourist killing it with 8's and 9's doesn't seem realistic anywhere, and anyone, except for veteran players or celebrities, who expects that is delusional. It seems that living here is key to higher tier talent as it would be for anywhere else. Still, my thought is that regardless of how hot the girls are, if a guy is bringing shit game/no value he would likely still succeed at a higher level here than in the west where it would be a train wreck.

[booshala]

(08-10-2014 12:03 PM)Journey Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 11:05 AM)echo park Wrote:  

just as a sidenote for this thread - my female friends here (indonesian girls) consistently remark that they meet so many guys that come to jakarta on holiday just to get laid who are really pathetic/boring dudes. ie. tourists come here strutting around like they are the coolest dude in town, without realising that girls in clubs here see through their facade/aren't impressed at all. there was a cringeworthy moment last night at x2 when my friends were humouring this bule by playing along with the pretense that he was 'soooo handsome', flicking their hair etc etc. he was loving it. i wasn't very happy with the fact that they were doing this to him, but it was kind of alarming how often this happened in the space of a few hours. multiple different guys, multiple different groups of girls.

despite the (incorrect) stereotype of indo girls falling over themselves for white guys, a lot of indonesian girls are completely unimpressed by a white guy who struts into jakarta thinking it's lay-city, and i saw many brutal rejections at x2 on saturday night.i personally don't really have a view on this, but i thought i'd bring it up since i've heard it so many times over my last few years here.

one thing i have noticed here is that tourist bule generally fuck far lower quality girls. indo girls are very good at spotting a short stay versus expat scenario. obviously some strike gold though!

Wow I am actually surprised by the first part. I wonder how random dudes even know enough to get the impression that Jakarta would be lay city. Of course from this forum, and some could hear about it from bragging friends who randomly came here, but it's surprising that the information is disseminated that widely. I defer to the masses on that as I could likely be way off base but I thought that was a big part of the reason I get grilled with "Why are you here?" type questions since its not really a hot tourist spot. I haven't been entirely truthful with my responses to those questions, maybe that's why I've done alright.

As for the lame dudes with no style who are bringing low value/boring game and getting clowned, sounds spot on. Thanks for the insights from your Indonesian friends, it must be fun for them to troll people because its so easy. I haven't been here long enough to understand the dynamic yet but that is interesting. In my mind, a random tourist killing it with 8's and 9's doesn't seem realistic anywhere, and anyone, except for veteran players or celebrities, who expects that is delusional. It seems that living here is key to higher tier talent as it would be for anywhere else. Still, my thought is that regardless of how hot the girls are, if a guy is bringing shit game/no value he would likely still succeed at a higher level here than in the west where it would be a train wreck.

Great info, Journey... appreciate the heads up on the scene nowadays. Good point on the stay vs play thing which I think I have a few things going for me: I have some experience dating Chinese-Indo's along with a hi-so Indo that I've done business with in the past. My cover story is that I'm in the hospitality industry and that I'm coming to CGK to set up an office and eventually move there. I've been in restaurants/hotels in the past, so it's pretty easy to talk the talk if they press.

So far, the girls I've been pipelining have been very open to that story and although I might be fooling myself, I think I have a pretty good eye for what's quality and what's not in Asia.

[TheBulldozer]

I've been doing a little bit of scouting for trip ideas, and after a cursory look around OKCupid, I've concluded that Indonesian girls check off nearly all of my exotic beauty traits.

I'd want to balance time between a few days in JKT and a bunch of days exploring nature. I'd be looking to smash some of the real stunners only. Just how accessible are these types of women to non-Indo men?

Take for example the case of Rio. While there is some incredible beauty in the city, it is extraordinarily difficult to get your hands on some of the top looking girls because of the social circle nature and the fact that the culture is extremely stratified. Money, game or style wasn't the issue, it was more the access to them as an outsider. Does this happen in JKT?

If so, then I'll just fly through the place and not even bother with the sweltering mess. But if not, I'd definitely be looking to spend a few days enjoying the beauty.

[libertad1312]

Yes, Indonesian girls are beautiful. I am here right now and I will miss these curves.

If you feel like there are many stunners on OkCupid, then you will be in paradise, once you arrive here. I have filtered to only see the girls that have been online the last days and are not super shy. There are hardly any stunners left. Some 6s and 7s and a very few better ones. I still cannot see through to who are really considered the top looking girls, but for sure I can tell that you can get your hands on better looking girls than on OkCupid without social circle game.

I am here right and also got two notches from OkCupid. One of them is a super rich girl and we had it going after 30 minutes of meeting. The other one came over at 2 night, but wasnt anything special.

There are more hot girls on Tinder, simply as it is more common. I did just worry about the top 3-5% (models, stewardess, rich girls) and got quiet a few matches. Much more then I would get somewhere else. Not sure yet what I did wrong, but after we had a good chat most of them stopped replying. Sometimes probably because I made it clear that I am just here for holiday and other times that I was to direct.

But now the good side:
Nightlife and daygame! I prefer the second one. I spend some time in an high end shopping mall and have approached the three hottest girls I could find within the last 2 days. Solid 8s. The result was one insta-date and 2 phone numbers after a nice chat. All of them seemed very open and even a bit nervous to talk with me. It is a pity that I dont have more time to follow up one these.

Two other girls from online dating are willing to come over to my room tonight but I rather go out and try my luck finding a good pair of huge boobs on a slender beauty.

That said it is such a pity that Jakarta itself sucks. But on the other hand local flights are very cheap and you can always fly out to all the natural beauty that this country has to offer. Also locals are more out-going and friendly than in other Asian countries. While I never really like approaching mixed set in Bangkok it is not a deal here. The guys rather see you as a new and exotic friend, than as a better endowed competitor...

[TheBulldozer]

Thanks for the insight.

As an experiment I found the five hottest girls I could on OKC from Jakarta and shot them a message. I heard back from four of them enthusiastically within a couple of hours.

Wouldn't mind a couple days of exotic poon that really ticks my boxes. I was thinking about jetting off the Gili Islands for the remainder of my time. They've got some really awesome looking 4/5/6 day dive excursions where you sleep on the beach on uninhabited islands at night. Gotta see how the timing will work if I push through with that plan.

Any insight into the Gili's would be appreciated, especially if you focused more on outdoor type of stuff rather than smoking weed and doing mushrooms.

[nomadicdude]

Gili is legit. The party scene on Gili T is not as intense as Bali and I don't even recall the mushroom culture you get in Kuta. When I was there it was a party every other night at rotating bars because with all the dive shops they want to keep it quiet so ppl can go to sleep. Even on weekends it would be a party on Fri night then quiet on Sat night. The nights they did have parties it was a lot of guys, but that happens in Kuta too. Still a lot of hot Euro chicks and less of the Aussie vibe that you get in Bali. The island is nice and you can bike around it and snorkel/swim all over the place. The water is much more clear and blue than what I've seen in Bali. It is a small place so it can get a bit boring after a few days in my opinion. You literally can bike around it in under 1-2 hours so that sort of gets boring. Also, things are a bit more expensive than Bali since everything has to be shipped over.

[booshala]

Getting together a pretty legit itinerary with X2 and immigrant (if it's open) on top of the list. Probably going to KTV once or twice with business partners (necessary "evil" of Asian biz) and the rest of the time hit the bars and day game in the malls.

[Brodiaga]

(08-12-2014 11:22 PM)booshala Wrote:  

Getting together a pretty legit itinerary with X2 and immigrant (if it's open) on top of the list. Probably going to KTV once or twice with business partners (necessary "evil" of Asian biz) and the rest of the time hit the bars and day game in the malls.

I wouldn't overlook online game: easier, cheaper and more efficient than going to clubs full of cigarette smoke.

[Afarang]

I've been told by locals that "Kota " is a cool place in Jakarta, never been or heard of it though.

[Journey]

Brodiaga is right online is a great. Sunday to Tuesday good luck finding a club with people. The bars still have people but its harder for me personally to pull from bars on a weeknight and Kemang is OK but I had zero luck there. I met all different kinds of girls from Indonesian Cupid. I was surprised by the slutty girls/good girls I met on there. Just to compare two complete extremes.

Girl 1
Invites me to meet her and her friends at a club. I show up and she and her friends are looking hot and already had a bottle on the table. I make small talk for 10 minutes and pour a drink and then these chicks all open their purses and start popping pills. We were at Domain which is a nice place even though a bunch of people told me it sucks. It didn't suck, other places like Exodus sucked but this place had lots of girls and the DJ was good. Long story short, ordered another bottle and got obliterated. Girls were pouring drinks down each other's throats and going wild on the dance floor and no one in that club batted an eye. After 3/4 of the second bottle was gone and everyone was faded we got the check and GTFO. Straight to my place zero LMR.

Girl 2
Refuses to meet me anywhere but a mall. Take her out and escalate but get stiff resistance and she refuses to come to my apartment. Date 2 finally get her back to my place and try to plow through massive LMR as I listen to her tell me about how she wont even kiss me because I'm not her BF. Yeah right. Plow plow plow and still only get a makeout and her top off while shes letting out involuntary moans.

Date 3 get her back to my place early and pick up where I left off plowing through resistance. Finally secured the bang. This girl wouldn't smoke or drink anything. Great body, tight pussy. Totally different from Girl 1 who could give a shit and fucked me the first night while high and drunk out of her mind. Girl 1 easier sex but Girl 2 better sex. I never talked to Girl 1 again and I hung out with Girl 2 a few more times. Id say both chicks were equally as attractive but I didn't have to scrub my dick clean after Girl 2 and that's always nice.

Both chicks were from Indonesian Cupid. I wish I did a better job screening the party girls from the good girls because I could have had better strategy as to where/what night to meet them. It's easy to do though if you think about that ahead of time.

[perspective]

Ha ... absolutely spot on Journey. So which do you prefer?

[booshala]

(08-13-2014 07:02 AM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 11:22 PM)booshala Wrote:  

Getting together a pretty legit itinerary with X2 and immigrant (if it's open) on top of the list. Probably going to KTV once or twice with business partners (necessary "evil" of Asian biz) and the rest of the time hit the bars and day game in the malls.

I wouldn't overlook online game: easier, cheaper and more efficient than going to clubs full of cigarette smoke.

Hey Brodiaga, great advice. I've pipelined about 4-5 girls on DIA, got their LINE info, skyped them and going to meet... only 5 days out, I'm wondering if I should get a month on Indocupid.com. What do you think? I've noticed the quality on there is not as good as DIA, surprisingly.

[Brodiaga]

(08-13-2014 08:54 PM)booshala Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 07:02 AM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 11:22 PM)booshala Wrote:  

Getting together a pretty legit itinerary with X2 and immigrant (if it's open) on top of the list. Probably going to KTV once or twice with business partners (necessary "evil" of Asian biz) and the rest of the time hit the bars and day game in the malls.

I wouldn't overlook online game: easier, cheaper and more efficient than going to clubs full of cigarette smoke.

Hey Brodiaga, great advice. I've pipelined about 4-5 girls on DIA, got their LINE info, skyped them and going to meet... only 5 days out, I'm wondering if I should get a month on Indocupid.com. What do you think? I've noticed the quality on there is not as good as DIA, surprisingly.

If you're going there for at least a couple of weeks, Indo Cupid may be worth it. Otherwise use OKcupid, DIA, Tinder and Skout.

[booshala]

(08-13-2014 08:57 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 08:54 PM)booshala Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 07:02 AM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 11:22 PM)booshala Wrote:  

Getting together a pretty legit itinerary with X2 and immigrant (if it's open) on top of the list. Probably going to KTV once or twice with business partners (necessary "evil" of Asian biz) and the rest of the time hit the bars and day game in the malls.

I wouldn't overlook online game: easier, cheaper and more efficient than going to clubs full of cigarette smoke.

Hey Brodiaga, great advice. I've pipelined about 4-5 girls on DIA, got their LINE info, skyped them and going to meet... only 5 days out, I'm wondering if I should get a month on Indocupid.com. What do you think? I've noticed the quality on there is not as good as DIA, surprisingly.

If you're going there for at least a couple of weeks, Indo Cupid may be worth it. Otherwise use OKcupid, DIA, Tinder and Skout.

$25 for a month of Indo Cupid is like 2 drinks in Jakarta, so it's not the money... just wondering if it's worth it. I trust your judgment so I'll get on it Brodiaga.

How do you geotrick Skout into going for Jakarta? I've had some big successes with that in Manila last year, but that was when I had boots on the ground.

[Brodiaga]

(08-13-2014 09:04 PM)booshala Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 08:57 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 08:54 PM)booshala Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 07:02 AM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 11:22 PM)booshala Wrote:  

Getting together a pretty legit itinerary with X2 and immigrant (if it's open) on top of the list. Probably going to KTV once or twice with business partners (necessary "evil" of Asian biz) and the rest of the time hit the bars and day game in the malls.

I wouldn't overlook online game: easier, cheaper and more efficient than going to clubs full of cigarette smoke.

Hey Brodiaga, great advice. I've pipelined about 4-5 girls on DIA, got their LINE info, skyped them and going to meet... only 5 days out, I'm wondering if I should get a month on Indocupid.com. What do you think? I've noticed the quality on there is not as good as DIA, surprisingly.

If you're going there for at least a couple of weeks, Indo Cupid may be worth it. Otherwise use OKcupid, DIA, Tinder and Skout.

$25 for a month of Indo Cupid is like 2 drinks in Jakarta, so it's not the money... just wondering if it's worth it. I trust your judgment so I'll get on it Brodiaga.

How do you geotrick Skout into going for Jakarta? I've had some big successes with that in Manila last year, but that was when I had boots on the ground.

I got a lot of numbers from Indo Cupid, but didn't get laid from there: a couple of girls flaked, one was a SIF so I cut the date short, then I got too busy with girls from elsewhere and didn't use dozens of numbers I had pipelined before the trip.

Got laid from DIA, OkC, Skout and clubs. Should have used Tinder more, unfortunately wasn't really into Tinder at that time,

I didn't use any geo tricks on my phone in Jakarta. The only geo trick I use now is blue stacks software for Windows, basically a fake Android phone. With blue stacks, use a tinder liker app (about $4) to change my location and autolike as many girls as I want on Tinder. I would be careful autoliking in Jakarta, though, because you'll get overwhelmed with replies.

[BallsDeep]

Question about the 1 liter liquor rule for Indonesia.

I'd like to put vodka in a 2 liter bottle of 7up to get around the restriction. Do you guys think I can get away with that?

[Brodiaga]

(09-20-2014 10:29 AM)BallsDeep Wrote:  

Question about the 1 liter liquor rule for Indonesia.

I'd like to put vodka in a 2 liter bottle of 7up to get around the restriction. Do you guys think I can get away with that?

The official limit is 1 liter, anything above that is at your own risk. Don't know how often they search bags - I flew 2 times and never got searched. Here is what I would do: put a 1L bottle in a suitcase wrapped in a towel, then buy another 1L at a duty free shop and carry with you to the cabin. That way, at least you won't have 2 liters at the same place and will be less likely to raise suspicions

[booshala]

Alcohol really is the budget killer in Jakarta: NYC prices for cocktails at a nice bar, although you definitely get huge economies of scale if you nut up and buy a bottle. Can always "bottle keep" it if the place you're going to is a repeat joint.

[BallsDeep]

I brought 2 liters of Belvedere, I put one liter in a shampoo bottle and another in a listerine bottle. I then bought a liter of scotch at duty free.

I didn't get searched at all. If I had to do it again I would've bought 3 liters at duty free, and maybe put them in different bags. There's something unappetizing about pouring drinks from a shampoo bottle.