[The Beast1]

I have been trying my best to overcome this, but I get the feeling I was held back by teachers (and professors) when I was going to school.

I was never very good at math (relearning it now), but writing, science, and social studies were my strong points. however, I would never break an A- , B+, B in school. It pissed me off because I thought I was smarter. I would study and study and study with no variance on my papers. In college, I had papers in which I took every step to ensure they were edited with zero grammatical mistakes and that my research ideas were sound.

Same thing, I never would break an "above average" grade. I saw girls get solid As and I would compare my papers to mine. The only difference I saw would be a more whimsical style of writing where mine was more direct. The ideas were the same.

I remember in one of my poli sci classes in college we were required to participate in a group discussion. At the beginning of the semester, the professor would call on me. A few weeks before the midterm, she would stop calling on me. The usual suspects would get called on while she would randomly call someone else who wasn't speaking. I would sit there with my hand raised for an entire discussion just to be ignored. I eventually gave up and would just surf the web on my phone the entire class. I got a B+...

Same problem over and over again. It got to the point that I thought I was just an average person and just put in enough effort to pass. I graduated from a good high school with a 3.8 (out of a 5.0) which unweighted is about a 3.1. I graduated college with a similar GPA. In essence I stopped trying.

The irony now is, I have a job and am gainfully employed better than all of the jack offs that got better grades than me. The thing is, I could have been higher up than before.

What's a good way to put this anger to rest? A part of me wants to get so powerful and push education's face into the ground (revenge). Another part wants me to fix it so this doesn't destroy the will of another kid. It just sucks. Either way, it's eating me up.

[JimNortonFan]

School is a game that obviously you didn't know how to play. Nothing wrong with that, in fact, I seek friends who either never went to college or hated it. I can't stand women who have been to college. When did you go to college? The fact that you are an RVF member suggests that if you started college in the last 25 years you probably were the kind of guy they were trying to indoctrinate.

Lots of stuff in your post. The fact that a B is far easier to get than an A. The smarter guys will go for the B and save time and effort.

Never write a real paper for any class. Repackage the professor's words and add boilerplate PC ideas. Wash, rinse, repeat for an easy high GPA.

Don't let it eat you up. Here's my personal problems with education. I developed intellectually early and had to act dumber to fit it. I was constantly made fun of and ostracized for using big words so even today I speak way dumber than I am to try and fit in. When I finally got into circles with smart people they thought I was dumb because I talk like a dummy. My vocab development was stunted by being surrounded by jerks. In terms of learning teachers and professors dumbed the material down for the dummies and inhibited my learning, causing me to learn less or generate misconceptions because of the need to dumb it down for the dummies who didn't want to be there and were getting nothing out of it anyway.

School is for babysitting and indoctrination anyway. Education is something you do on your own.

You can achieve both of your objectives by going on an online learning site and posting lessons. Post them for free there or start a blog or site that lets people learn things outside of the educational establishment.

Here are some ideas:

Anything programming related
Anything to do with the real science involved in the real world
Real history, not PC propaganda
Real engineering, like tinkering and fixing things
Analyzing literature, art, and music from a Red Pill viewpoint
Integrating econ, history, lit, etc with the Red Pill view

Put your energy there instead of being angry.

[scandibro]

Don't worry about it bro. Some people are not cut out for the academic career. Nothing to be ashamed off and doesn't reflect on your intelligence. Girls often do well in easier courses because they are much better at sitting still, taking notes and parroting it back.

[WesternCancer]

Man I feel the same way. I put minimal effort in my entire school career and still came out ahead of my peers who relentlessly studied.

In highschool I suggested I skip a grade and my principal told me I shouldn't because I need to take electives. They also suggested I didn't take all AP classes because it would be too much work. I could have been graduated university at 19.

That being said, I'm more frustrated than mad at the school system. It's meant for normal ass people and is taught to the lowest common denominator. In highschool whenever I was in'normal' classes I would last about 15 minutes before a teacher had to move me across the room or tell me to shut up because I was being so disruptive.

My advice to you would be to just move forward. And as the saying goes "it's not the books you read in school, but the books after, that define your education"

[The Beast1]

(11-14-2013 09:35 AM)JimNortonFan Wrote:  

School is a game that obviously you didn't know how to play. Nothing wrong with that, in fact, I seek friends who either never went to college or hated it. I can't stand women who have been to college. When did you go to college? The fact that you are an RVF member suggests that if you started college in the last 25 years you probably were the kind of guy they were trying to indoctrinate.

Lots of stuff in your post. The fact that a B is far easier to get than an A. The smarter guys will go for the B and save time and effort.

Never write a real paper for any class. Repackage the professor's words and add boilerplate PC ideas. Wash, rinse, repeat for an easy high GPA.

Don't let it eat you up. Here's my personal problems with education. I developed intellectually early and had to act dumber to fit it. I was constantly made fun of and ostracized for using big words so even today I speak way dumber than I am to try and fit in. When I finally got into circles with smart people they thought I was dumb because I talk like a dummy. My vocab development was stunted by being surrounded by jerks. In terms of learning teachers and professors dumbed the material down for the dummies and inhibited my learning, causing me to learn less or generate misconceptions because of the need to dumb it down for the dummies who didn't want to be there and were getting nothing out of it anyway.

School is for babysitting and indoctrination anyway. Education is something you do on your own.

You can achieve both of your objectives by going on an online learning site and posting lessons. Post them for free there or start a blog or site that lets people learn things outside of the educational establishment.

Here are some ideas:

Anything programming related
Anything to do with the real science involved in the real world
Real history, not PC propaganda
Real engineering, like tinkering and fixing things
Analyzing literature, art, and music from a Red Pill viewpoint
Integrating econ, history, lit, etc with the Red Pill view

Put your energy there instead of being angry.

Thanks Jim.

I graduated college a year and a half ago. It was hell and for fear of being ousted here on the site, I went to a school in central New York that was a liberal hell hole. On the flipside though, I got laid a lot which brought me to game but at the same time I was miserable.

I appreciate it, because my resentment as of late has been angering. Thanks for the advice.

[samsamsam]

Outperform everyone. Period. Let the anger fuel you. So when you go back to the school reunion or get togethers you can rub it in their faces. Results at the end of the day are what matter.

You got the gift of feeling like you got robbed a bit, let it fuel your desire for success.

Think: "You got better grades than me? I got a million bucks hidden in my house. Fuck You."

[Suits]

Can completely relate. Despite being hard working and successful in the jobs I've taken in the last 10 years, I can't seem to get up above a 2.8 in school. A big part of the problem is a lack of concentration power. I only have a few hours of focus stored up each day for things that I'm not interested in.

What I've done about this:

1) Prioritized working during my undergrad years, even though its meant dragging out how many years it took to finish up.
I've got a great resume now, awesome references and fantastic experience.

2) One of my professional goals is to go into educational consulting to (a) help institutions to provide students better opportunities and to (b) create educational opportunities to student who want to have valuable life/professional learning experiences at a reasonable price.

[Sawyer]

I think it's up to all of us to try and create a world in which the next all of us don't have to go through the same things all of us went through, and that's one of the reasons all of us are here.

College didn't bother me, as I was there by choice. But I will go to my grave decrying all the fucktards that make forced K-12 education in the US the nightmare that I found it to be.

Is it my life's work? No. But it's life's little pleasures that make it worth living.

Get some distance, contextualize, and then have fun with it.

[cardguy]

Exams just show you are a good at chasing after sticks thrown by your teachers.

Much more interesting to find your own stick to chase after.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

I'm going to go with the idea that it's mostly women who taught you.

Out in the writing world, I know some of the most dysfunctional women you could imagine. All of 'em teach. I'm convinced teaching is a form of exhibitionism for women and if you're not (metaphorically) putting money in their g-string or if you're "creepy" you fail. Or they teach so they can indoctrinate.

Whatever the case, because of this the educational system is a game and a political one at that. They have certain ways of doing things. If you don't fit the mold, you don't get the grades even if what you're doing is conceptually ten times better than anything else.

I found college more bearable than high school but only when I had male professors. The only female college teacher I had that was any good wasn't even a professor. She was an instructor and not part of the educational industrial complex.

The way I got back and them was small but important to me. When my book was published I told 'em to fuck off in so many words in my introduction -- even though an editor tried to persuade me not to.

The better thing to do is not give a fuck. Take my brother. In seventh grade the teacher would not put him in the high level no matter what. He was stuck with the morons. So my folks took him out of that particular school.

He's now a CEO and people from the old school sit on his board and answer to him. Needless to say, the educational system might have been a tad wrong when it came to assessing his intelligence. The same is probably true for you.

[cardguy]

My best friend is annoyed about the school we went to.

But it washed over my head. To be honest - it is like moaning about being picked last for soccer in the playground. It really doesn't matter anymore.

The guys on this thread are too smart and too cool to worry about the shit that went down at school. It is a tiny bit gay to still be upset about it.

I fucked up at school. I even resat my exams and did just as bad the second time. Later on I dropped out of Uni. Twice.

And I am kinda' proud of that. Not sure why. I just think it is funny in a weird sort of way. Must be part of my MGTOW mindset.

Grades are just a label at the end of the day. And the only importance it has is the importance you give it.

[Vroom]

Sounds like a lot of you guys have similar experinces to me.

School was a breeze - too much of a breeze. I skipped a year of school becasue it was all too easy, and even when I was a year ahead, I never needed to put much effort in to get by. By a few years into schooling, I started dumbing myself down and acting up - what was the point of getting A's if people thought you were a nerd? Far better to get B's and C's with near zero effort, and have a life.

Problem was, by not being challenged at all through school, I didn't develop the habits necesary to excel. When you haven't needed to work for 11 years of school, you can't just flick a switch and hey presto! Diligent study habits are turned on.

Homework? Never did it.
Study? Not for a second.

I still passed all my exams and graduated, but didn't get the marks required to go into a top tier course. I ended up starting at Mining engineering course at university at 16, but was much more interested in smoking weed and getting pissed than the work, and because this was specialised, technical knowledge, I couldn't just cruise by on intuition like I had my whole life. I lasted one semester before dropping out, with no future plan but drinking and partying. All well and good at the time, I had a lot of good times and have many good memories - but with the benefit of hindsight, I wish it could have worked out diffferently. See, a few years later an unprecedented "mining boom" came to Australia, with mining engineers in high demand, and commanding $250,000+ salaries. I could have been on that at 20 years of age. I could be retired by now, if only I had been challenged, or interested by school.

I never needed to be pushed when I was interested - I was kickboxing and lifting weights at 13 and had no problem putting effort in to those fields of endeavour, but schoolwork just seemed boring, useless, a waste of time. Although most of the subject matter was just that, I didn't relaise at the time, but it wasn't the subject matter itself that was important, but the challenege of learning, absorbing and applying new information that was. Education isn't set up to encourage geniuses - it's set up to make everyone obtain a uniform, minimum standard, and so long as that's achieved, nobody cares how many kids brains are going to waste.

[ThatGuyNamedTom]

(I ended up putting more into this post than I originally intended. I wanted it to be a simple, concise, two-sentence remark on why I dislike the current education system but it quickly expanded into a rant about how the pros and cons of home-schooling compared to current education in my experience and tad bit information about me. I considered not posting it but I figured I would so all my typing wouldn't go to waste. Apologies in advance if it seems off-topic.)

A common quote attributed to Mark Twain is "Don't let schooling interfere with your education." I think that's how it goes.

It's one of the most true things I've ever read and resonates almost exactly with what JimNortonFan is getting at. It's why I'm home-schooled.

Back in middle school my three friends and I wanted to skip a math class because we were too bored and felt we could handle it. Two of us moved up and my other buddy and I were forced to stay behind to bolster the overall grades of the class. Obviously, this was at a religious private school that wanted to flex its big numbers over the other schools in the area. I started home-schooling the following year.

There's a lot of sweet pros to being home-schooled. By the time my friends are sitting down for 1st period class, I'm still in bed. While my friends spend hours reading textbooks and barfing out info on exams that was spoon-fed to them yesterday, I'm watching recorded lectures from college professors and having discussions about history and politics with my dad. My friends read books for girls that are boring and in the meantime I'm reading Witness and The Brothers Karamazov. Lifting weights with my dad while watching MMA on TV is, by the way, far more fun P.E. at school was.

I think the biggest pro I've gotten out of home-schooling has been good habits. My parents never bother me about what I'm doing because they trust me to be doing good work continually. I've become almost completely autonomous (I still need a piano tutor because I could seriously mess up my hands with bad form on the tough stuff.) and don't need a complete school faculty to keep me on schedule like I used to (and like many of my friends still do).

On the downside, I hardly ever leave the house because I have no reason to do so. The only significant social interactions I had were at school and when I quit school there was nothing left except to maybe hang out with my buddies on weekends. Though, what ended up happening after that was me finding more interest in staying home with my family rather than hanging out with my old friends. I've never gotten laid and I've also never had a girlfriend (probably sacrilege on a forum like this one). At the moment, it is simply too inconvenient for me to spent any significant portion of my time trying to game girls given my family and the kind of people I've become acquainted with.

That's where Return of Kings, RooshV, etc. come into play. Until the day I get out of my dad's study and into the daylight again, I'll be doing what I do best. Amassing as much information about whatever I find interesting in this meager little skull of mine in the hope that at some point something useful will come of it. What do I find interesting at this moment? Game.

[cardguy]

Anyone else being home-schooled? I would be fascinated to hear more about what it is like.

I think school wastes alot of time. Yet - I feel you make alot of cool friends there and go through alot of formative experiences.

Can't imagine ever being home-schooled. Although - I think it is a good idea for the higher level work - since I always found it is easier to learn from a well written textbook than from a teacher in front of a blackboard.

[Quintus Curtius]

Let the resentment of your schooling go.
I felt the same way, and still do, but holding onto that does no good. You have to look at schooling as not an end in itself, but as the beginning. Education really begins after you leave school. You should never stop reading, never stop learning, never stop developing.
School is only a place to "check the box" and to get socialized with your peers. That's about it. Expecting to meet a great mentor there or to learn some great things is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

[The Lizard of Oz]

Frenchie, there is nothing more worthless than holding on to past resentments. Just dismiss this from your mind.

Realize that your past school grades and the like are the merest trivia. If you find yourself dwelling on such trivia you are wasting your time, which could be better spent, for instance, on re-watching the first season of "Lost" or adjudicating the internet porn preferences of various world countries.

To be a man is to laugh at yourself for ever having considered this nonsense worth a millisecond of attention, before kicking back, scratching your balls and wondering if you should get up to fix yourself one last stiff drink for the night.

As for how to put this anger to rest -- just forget about it and let it go as the useless brain clutter that it is. You don't fight resentments, you just shrug them off. And soon enough wonder what that was all about.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(11-14-2013 09:03 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

What's a good way to put this anger to rest? A part of me wants to get so powerful and push education's face into the ground (revenge). Another part wants me to fix it so this doesn't destroy the will of another kid. It just sucks. Either way, it's eating me up.

If you suddenly were to become in charge of a nation's education system, what would you do to fix it?

[cardguy]

When kids are working from 16-18 - they shoulkd be offered the chance of self-study. I would have done much better if I could have stayed home working through the textbooks (with perhaps the occasional tutorial).

Not because I am smart or anything. But just because so much time is saved - and it is easier to concentrate whilst working alone.

I fucked up my final exams. And I am sure I would have done much better studying on my own. It is like when you study for exams - I often found I only truly understood stuff when I was revising it on my own.

Anyway - I don't care about that anymore. Except to say that alot of education is a giant 'mae work' scheme for the teachers. The quality of the education - or how well the students do - is not the priority.