[el mechanico]

(07-24-2012 12:35 AM)tstyle Wrote:  

Alright mechanico, why don't you post a picture or two of men over 40 and explain to me what it is that looks good about them and draws chicks' attention?

Is that what's its about? Dressing to draw attention? I'll look around for some pictures but I dress to NOT draw attention.

How old are you tstye?

[Cousin Dupree]

Funny post but you are not thinking ahead. I understand that it is almost impossible to be 30 and to imagine needing game at age 50. But if you find yourself singe via divorce or a widower...it happens a lot as it did to me.

(08-14-2008 10:33 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(08-14-2008 01:10 PM)Needless Wrote:  

Good question. Do Roosh, Roissy and co imagine themselves still wandering bars and clubs when they're in their fifties?

Hell no. I'm 29 and getting sick of the scene. I go to bars three, four times a month now. I used to do that in a week.

If I was 50 and lonely, first I would cry and drink alone. But then when that doesn't work I'd go to the old people bar where they serve peanuts in a communal bowl. There's bound to be old ladies just like myself looking for a rogering.

Perhaps i'd volunteer and join a book club.

[MMM]

(08-14-2008 01:10 PM)Needless Wrote:  

Good question. Do Roosh, Roissy and co imagine themselves still wandering bars and clubs when they're in their fifties? Do they think they could still pull it off with women in their twenties?

In my late forties, approaching my fifties and I’m getting a mix of 20, 30 and 40 year olds. The pipeline is fed exclusively through day game. My game is nowhere near the level of Roosh, Roissy, etc., but if I can do okay, there is hope for us all. So yeah, why let age stop you? As others have mentioned you can transition your game to hotel bars and other, more congruent environments.

[iknowexactly]

I've been out all day today in cafes in a college town. I'm over 50-- there are a lot fewer 18-26 that cue me, but some still do. I think the key is to go after every one that cues you. There is such a wide variety of reactions.

Some are jilling off thinking about being daddy-fucked, they're not fighting their natural urges. I've been with them.
Also, I think sometimes in their cycle they get so horny they're ready to fuck just about anybody and old guys are
what fat chicks are to guys, thought to be a sure thing, or at least more likely.

I try to keep in mind when they're horny they have a window before their snatch starts bleeding again and their sex drive and mood goes down. There's in general less urgency, but it's a different type-- a time window that closes on maximally enjoyable sex again and again. and if they think they know they only have like 500 of them before they hit the wall.

Others, who might not even be as good looking, are viscerally grossed out or too concerned about what
friends think at their making out with an older guy.

After ignoring initial cues and then sort of trying to pry 3rd and 4th instances of eye contact out of them, I've come to the conclusion you get 2, at the most 3 cues (rarely, if she's interested) after that they think you're indifferent or chicken. They do not at all like the humiliation of trying again and again to get your attention.

If she makes eye contact twice she's interested. Then you've got to move. Especially if you're over 50, not much time left. I should take my own advice.

[The Pirate]

My average girls these days are 21-28 years old. I am 38. Having said that...I have never paid as much attention to working out and nutrition as I have the last 5 years, and I belive it defenatly helps me. I`d say putting on some muscle is extremely important for an older guy to attract younger woman (unless ur wealthy/rich ofcourse) Many of todays sex-symbols in the movie-industry is 40+, but these guys job is to stay fresh and healthy.

One thing I have notices compared to when I was younger is what alcohol and partying does to my facial skin. Shit, on a hangover it looks like my face has been chewed on by straydogs... Not a pretty sight until at least 8 pm!

[Captain Ahab]

(07-16-2012 02:47 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

When I wear outfits like that (and I sometimes do), I get more attention from gay men than from women.

More young women are being drawn to traditionally masculine men.

Cowboy boots destroy topsiders, even in places like LA and SF.

Just got my first pair yesterday. I already feel more dominant.

[Captain Ahab]

(07-16-2012 11:32 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  

(07-15-2012 05:06 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-15-2012 04:45 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

(11-16-2009 11:47 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(11-16-2009 07:36 PM)Prometheus Wrote:  

Once you get into your late 30's and above , unless you are in good physical shape and a good looking guy and/or have considerable amounts of money/power/influence/fame chances are that you will not be picking up too many women in the age range of 20 -30.

It's possible , but its also alot more difficult.

You don't know what you are talking about.

In my 40s, I could connect with 20-yr olds with absolutely no problem. In fact 40s were a great age because certain 20-yr-old girls just love that age. It's not *all* 20 year old girls but those that did were especially easy to reel in. I prefer submissive women and subbies tend to like older men, so it was like being a kid in the candy shop for me.

Hitting 50 on the other hand, is shit. (see "mid life crisis", and yes, it sucks). Suddenly women, and everybody else too, sees you as "over the hill". You are judged on one and only one factor: how rich or famous you are. If you are 50+ and just getting by with a normal job, or trying to re-invent your career, you might as well be a leper.

50 is the Wiley Coyote moment for men. Guys in your 30s and 40s...do not underestimate how much of a crash it will be for you.

So what's the solution?

Get rich/famous would obviously work.

Or would it be better to marry a hot 24 year old when you are 47?

Or move to Thailand?

Thoughts?

Well, first step. Career success, confidence, and money (all interchangeable assets) are key. Keep focusing your efforts back into your career and your reputation. By the end of your 40s, you'd better be at the absolute peak of your career game.

You can either stay a bachelor and focus all that success to your self, alternatively, as a side path, you can take some of that energy you are pouring into your career, and pour that energy instead into being the 40-something who marries a sweet little 24-yr-old and starts a brood of children.

There are advantages and disadvantages to both routes.

With the stay-single-career route, you are in total control of your own destiny, you can accumulate all the money and power you can manage yourself, and continue banging hot 20 and 30 something gals. But most guys I know in that position become very lonely and "hollow" in their 50s. Banging hot chicks frankly gets pretty boring after a while. Pussy, pussy, pussy. After a while, you feel like a gynecologist, who really gets sick and tired of looking at vaginas. You can travel and climb mountains, but after a while, it all starts looking boring too.

On the other if you pursue the wifey and kids, in your mid-40s let say, and if you do it well (following game principles) you will be able to sit back in your 70s and have the rare pleasure of watching your kids run out and conquer the world in ways that you (in your 70s) can no longer do. That is perfectly satisfying. That's the route I took. But, to go that way you have to accept that you will lose momentum in your own career because of the time and energy you re-route to your kids. You can't go down the wife and kids route half-assed, you have to commit utterly and stick with it for 20 years, no excuses, no backing down. Of course you have that huge risk that the woman you marry will be a typical western idiot and will blow up the family after 10 years, you and the kids will be devastated by the divorce, and your sacrifice will all be in vain.

I think 43-45 is a good age to get married. Sadly, I am not sure if I can raise a family in the states. I want my children to be connected to my nationality but this country has fucked things up.

Maybe I can raise them in the rural south or Arizona, where masculine tradition is still allowed (teaching the boys to hunt and fish versus play with X-Box or Smartphones).

Then again, my children may end up going to college, get radicalized by a liberal professor and turn full blown fagat in a heart beat.

Life ain't fair.

[Giovonny]

(04-02-2013 08:16 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I think the key is to go after every one that cues you.

Yes, of course.

Especially, as an older man. When a young girls cues you, you gotta go talk to her.

(04-02-2013 08:16 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Some are jilling off thinking about being daddy-fucked

There are lots of girls out there with daddy issues and older man fantasies.

I am getting better at identifying them.

Some teenage girls tell me that they hate guys their age and they want a "man" not a boy.

(04-02-2013 08:16 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

If she makes eye contact twice she's interested. Then you've got to move.

Yup, gotta move. Be aggressive. Be irrationally self confident.

I'm having alot of fun chasing girls that are half my age!

[samsamsam]

(04-02-2013 08:16 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Also, I think sometimes in their cycle they get so horny they're ready to fuck just about anybody and old guys are
what fat chicks are to guys, thought to be a sure thing, or at least more likely.

I try to keep in mind when they're horny they have a window before their snatch starts bleeding again and their sex drive and mood goes down. There's in general less urgency, but it's a different type-- a time window that closes on maximally enjoyable sex again and again. and if they think they know they only have like 500 of them before they hit the wall.

iknowexactly - fascinating. I guess I don't know enough about women. Any more details you could share on this? Thanks.

[Malekhit]

Well my uncle 45 year old is pulling girls not older then 25... he dress sharp as fuck he is slim and have his own company and he leave in eastern euro country and to top it off he is bald. So I think age is not an issue till you are looking like 60 in eg. fat slob grey hair.

[Balboa]

The term "daddy issues" is meaningless Valley Girl-speak. There is no issue, just girls that like older men.

[iknowexactly]

(04-03-2013 08:58 AM)The Pirate Wrote:  

One thing I have notices compared to when I was younger is what alcohol and partying does to my facial skin. Shit, on a hangover it looks like my face has been chewed on by straydogs... Not a pretty sight until at least 8 pm!

Absolutely, booze is instant aging for me. I get puffier, darker circles under eyes as well as more sallow, yellowish complexion.

[iknowexactly]

(05-08-2013 11:53 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 08:16 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Also, I think sometimes in their cycle they get so horny they're ready to fuck just about anybody and old guys are
what fat chicks are to guys,

iknowexactly - fascinating. I guess I don't know enough about women. Any more details you could share on this? Thanks.

Well, I believe ( but am not a biologist) that women get hornier when they're fertile. It would make evolutionary sense.

They are also not bleeding when they are most fertile.
Most women I've known have what seems like a bizarre guilt or at least embarrassment about menstruation. They definitely feel less attractive sexually.
It makes no sense to feel guilty because of course they can't help it, but they still hate even talking about it. Having blood drip out of you with clumps of dead uterus lining
has got to be pretty gross.

So when they are not bleeding, and get horny, they know it can't last. In two days...six days... that shit starts all over again. They are motivated to get it SOON, tonight, in next couple days, BEFORE THE FUCKING CURSE STARTS AGAIN.

Add to that women know they can get laid if they want. All they have to do is lower their standards-- maybe too far for their values, but a handsome old guy who knows how to stimulate her and is likely to go for her can be appealing. PLUS, the older guy may really want her, not be an aloof guy who'll humiliate her. They like it when a guy is hot for them-- not obsequious, but sexually hot for her. Just like a fat chick will just say "yes", show up, not argue over nothing ( before fattitude anyway) an old guy will show up on time and fuck.


In a certain way, although it's easier for a women to get sex in general, to get it in the limited time period between menstruations has a different set of logistical problems.
What if she starts dating a guy and they only start to have sex one or two days before her period starts? They have no chance to establish a good rapport sexually.
I know there's a lot of guys here who can comfortably do ONS, but most of the women I've been with take a few sessions at least to start to get going and feel safe enough to let go. So if she starts at the wrong time the whole development of the relationship she hopes for is derailed by the next fucking period!

She may realize if she is not getting laid it is BECAUSE SHE IS BEING A BITCH and she doesn't want to think that about herself.

I had one 18 year old girlfriend explain she had PMS for a week before, then she bled for a week, then she was getting over it for a week after that, so she only had about one week per month where she felt clean, attractive and horny.

I had a girlfriend who was 18 and she described being so horny she was almost hysterical-- she'd be in classes and couldn't concentrate. Boys get used to being really horny and being able to function, but what she described was different, like a feeling of being naked in public or something. Just ready to be sexually used by whoever was the most aggressive.

I tried to question exactly how out of control she was, I said "if a strange guy pulled you into a room when you're like that and just started feeling you up, would you be able to stop him? "

She said "I don't knoooowwww"; as if it would be really hard and she probably would just let a stranger fuck her without saying a word.

[King Solomon]

Iknowexactly- can you expound on when a girl "cues you up"

and also, how to work the Daddy-fuck angle?

I'm gearing up for a hard run at some very young girls. I'm 42 and in decent shape.

Tips n tricks? Good venues?

much obliged

[Stun]

I'm not in this age category yet, but I'm curious how do you (urban) guys dress for day game?

There is sort of a school of thought around here that being TOO well dressed sets too much of a provider frame. For example, almost no one I know does day game in a suit.

Some guys out here even dress low-value as fuck and still get girls engaging them.

On the other hand I know a guy who dresses pretty well (he is younger) in slacks and dress shirts who absolutely kills it. But he's really a natural.

[iknowexactly]

(05-09-2013 10:59 AM)King Solomon Wrote:  

Iknowexactly- can you expound on when a girl "cues you up"

and also, how to work the Daddy-fuck angle?

I'm gearing up for a hard run at some very young girls. I'm 42 and in decent shape.

Tips n tricks? Good venues?

much obliged

Get a move on, after 45 and especially 50 it gets a lot harder, often simply impossible for 8+ chicks who require YoungTallCool as a baseline and to whom you will become almost invisible. Stay in shape and avoid booze.

DADDY FvCKING:

Daddy fucking is a vague term I use to describe the feeling some girls seem to have about sex with guys a lot older.

One girl I talked to explained how she had systematically and persistently tried to actually seduce her father from an illegally early age. She would sit with him on the couch and place his hands onto her .... I advocate everyone follow all laws at all times.

She said she always has been attracted to older guys ( like 20+ years older) and when guys who aren't a lot older won't role-play that she has to fantasize about it to get off. It wasn't specifically her father she had a fetish for, but for a male like that.

It seems to be a desire for an all-encompassing male who provides emotional, sexual, and social fulfillment. An all-powerful figure.

The reverse doesn't seem to work the same since most men do not want to be dominated, in fact the opposite is true-- they want to control a woman, so men don't crave a very mother-like figure, they seek to escape her. However, men that are not very hardened and defended ( in psychological terms) enjoy nurturing behavior from women, this is why they hate competitive, aggressive Western women-- who never calmly cook and look after man's physical well-being.

PRACTICAL CUE DETECTION:

To summarize and quote R. Don Streele "If she makes eye contact twice, it's not an accident."

This is American-specific--I believe women are highly socially alert and control and limit their eye-contact cuing very strictly. The vast majority of eye contacts are not accidental.

To American girls, making eye contact feels like they're exposing themselves emotionally, they feel as if they are giving away a lot. Maybe it's because of the time-is-money culture.

I am increasingly under the impression that in coffee-shop day game ( the only kind I do now) if a young woman makes eye-contact more than one time she is interested and is cuing. She at least wants your approval, whether she would accept sexual attention and date you is another matter. It seems only moderately related to her level of attractiveness, although 6-7+ blonds AND 8+ brunette whites under 25 rarely cue me (50+) as they are the most valued in America. I myself am targeting Asians much more as it seems I get a 1-2 point bump. I suspect they actually think about and want hybrid babies to try to get into a higher class (in their mind) in America.

Men are fertility detectors, women are status detectors.

To oversimplify, because it is more fun here is my current hypothesis:
Makes Eye contact Once = EC1

EC1 - Does not find you disgusting
EC2- Like something about you, will talk after shyness or initial bitch shield is disarmed.
EC3 ( very rare) is actually thinking about the logistics of getting talked to by you.
EC4- is considering or fantasizing about dating, fucking you. (<1/100 girls do this with me)

There are of course qualifiers.
-- Disgust eye contact: There may be something about you that bothers or frightens her.
-- Unusually curious or smart girls might just look around more. Smart people move their eyes more than dumb people.

Roosh has alluded to this when he argued that you will not reach your potential unless you approach even when there is no eye contact. Some girls are too shy to do it at all, and if you wait for cues you will miss out on these. This is also exhibited when a girl eye-cues you, you approach, and then she is too shy to look at you and talk!! This happened to me the other day with an Asian 8 EC3. I was shocked, then realized she felt embarrassed that she had been so obvious. Anti-slut defense.

[samsamsam]

(05-09-2013 11:28 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

-- Unusually curious or smart girls might just look around more. Smart people move their eyes more than dumb people.

Iknowexactly, too funny.

[King Solomon]

Thanks amigo, great stuff.

I will take this into account, and I need to consider at length this eye-contact theory. I am oblivious to that shit and usually just think it is incidental. I will have to be more consciously aware of it and see how it plays out, and if it can be used to my advantage.

My thought is to find some troubled young lass (17-22.... 17 being legal here) and invite her to come under my expert tutelage in all areas. As you said- an all-powerful, all-encompassing figure. A young lost waif who needs Daddy to set her world right.

Sure, I know a girl like this will eventually wander off, but that's part of it. She will be more stable and whole after I have tended to her than if she keeps floating around like the idiot she otherwise is, or at the hands of some dumbfuck frat-boy.

I have a place to stay, provision, and everything she needs to stabilize and eventually flourish under my care. She'll get treated well, fucked well, taught well, everything. Me? I will get to actually help a girl with wisdom that she sorely needs

and I will get full access to a naked teenage nymph who worships me.

Girls like this are on every street corner, from every broken home. Not gonna be hard to find.

Just have to convert one.

Not trying to be a sicko, or break any laws... just want to get what I want, and leave a girl better than I found her.

[MrXY]

Are you guys reading the Seeking Arrangement thread? I think a lot of those girls are attracted to older men and authority/daddy figures

[King Solomon]

The problem with the Seeking Arrangement site seems to be that these girls have some concept of their value, and have their heads together well enough to truly attempt to negotiate a good situation for themselves.

What I need is a girl who is more "lost" than that, I think. I cannot (and will not) bankroll some chick just for a (mediocre) piece of ass.

Sure, a guy could trick a girl into a "test drive" and bang a cute girl on SA for free, but what I want is much more in depth and long term. Those chicks on SA might be candidates, but somebody must disabuse them or their lofty expectations first, I think. 5k to 10k a month? I don't fucking think so. Are they really getting that out there???

[MrXY]

(05-09-2013 03:04 PM)King Solomon Wrote:  

TThose chicks on SA might be candidates, but somebody must disabuse them or their lofty expectations first, I think. 5k to 10k a month? I don't fucking think so. Are they really getting that out there???

Nah. very rarely at least, I think.

From what these girls are hinting at asking for from me, I conclude most are expecting a lot less than most guys would imagine.


One girl. a stripper, complained to me that she wanted $1000 a month and every guy was telling her that was too high. And she's the most golddiggerish I've encountered so far out of about 20 I've gotten in contact with; I think most girls will take significantly less than that

[Giovonny]

I'm almost 40. I deal with alot of these same issues.

(05-09-2013 12:46 AM)Balboa Wrote:  

The term "daddy issues" is meaningless Valley Girl-speak. There is no issue, just girls that like older men.

I respectfully disagree. Some girls do have "daddy issues" because of a less then perfect relationship with their father.

We are all affected by the parenting we received. 

You're right in saying that many girls like older guys just because of a simple attraction. But, other girls like older guys because they have never felt love and affection from a man. They crave an older masculine presence.

(05-09-2013 11:26 AM)Sugar Wrote:  

how do you (urban) guys dress for day game?

It varies depending on the day. Sometimes, I wear jeans and a t-shirt, other times I wear a blazer and slacks. It all depends on the location, weather, vibe of the city, demographics, etc.

The key is to dress in a way that makes you feel confident and powerful.

(05-09-2013 11:26 AM)Sugar Wrote:  

There is sort of a school of thought around here that being TOO well dressed sets too much of a provider frame.

It all depends on the suit and the way you display yourself. You can wear a provider looking suit but then create a much different frame.

Some suits say -- "provider", "boring", etc.

Others suits say -- "flashy", "sexy", etc.

The suit is just a small part of the total frame.

(05-09-2013 11:26 AM)Sugar Wrote:  

For example, almost no one I know does day game in a suit.

Depends on location. New York, Miami, London, etc. I'm sure suits are good. Even in downtown San Francisco, a sharp suit is no problem.

A boring suit is boring. An exciting suit is exciting.

It sounds like you are not comfortable gaming in a suit, so, in that case, don't wear one. Start with a more simple outfit and evolve from there. In time, your fashion sense will evolve.

(05-09-2013 11:26 AM)Sugar Wrote:  

Some guys out here even dress low-value as fuck and still get girls engaging them.

Just depends on your game skill, fashion sense and what you can pull off.

Experiment with different looks. Dress in a way that makes you feel powerful and attractive.

We have to be able to game in plain clothes and fancy clothes.

Check this thread for more discussion and examples:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14130-...#pid268268

(05-09-2013 12:09 PM)King Solomon Wrote:  

My thought is to find some troubled young lass and invite her to come under my expert tutelage in all areas. As you said- an all-powerful, all-encompassing figure. A young lost waif who needs Daddy to set her world right.

I have done this quite a few times. I am 37. I focus on girls 18-21.

Like you said, there are many young girls out there that need some direction and guidance in their life.

It's actually pretty simple I think. Just need to find a younger girl that likes you.

Warning: They can get very clingy and needy.

More info here:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-21493-...#pid398511

[thegmanifesto]

(05-09-2013 11:26 AM)Sugar Wrote:  

There is sort of a school of thought around here that being TOO well dressed sets too much of a provider frame.

This is only said by guys that dress like sh*t.

Sort of like how out of shape guys say that being muscular is not attractive to women.

Or how broke guys say that money doesn't help you get girls.

I thought we would all know this by now.

[xsplat]

(05-10-2013 02:09 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

You're right in saying that many girls like older guys just because of a simple attraction. But, other girls like older guys because they have never felt love and affection from a man. They crave an older masculine presence.

So if a girl has had a good relationship with her dad she will no longer crave love and affection from a man? If they got their needs met at a young age, then they are met once and for all and finally for ever after?

I call shenanegans.

The desire for an erotic connection with a father figure is hard wired into all women. It's just a matter of pushing the buttons. Doesn't matter if she got along great with her dad or not. That has nothing to do with the desire that all women have for erotic paternal connection.

Now a very small minority of women will have a strong intellectual aversion to the idea. Nearly all women barely pay any attention to that voice in their heads during the sexual act, and will gladly role play daughter. But for the women who are still in their heads when they fuck and don't completely give over to the inner animal, and who have the voices in their heads telling them stories that it's wrong to fuck Daddy, after they finally get used to the idea and like you their bodies respond anyway.

"Say I love you Daddy! Say it again! Say it again!" works for a romanctic girl, otherwise you can say "Say I'm Daddies little bitch! Say it again!" Either way as soon as she utters the words she'll come close to orgasm. The effect is profound, no matter what the girl THINKS. It's not about her head, it's about her pussy, and her pussy loves loves loves Santa Claus and Daddy.

One of your ancestors was born from the coupling of father and daughter. All women have a great many ancestors that were the product of incest. It's hard wired in so many ways and pushes so many buttons. It's the ultimate aphrodesiac.

[Giovonny]

(05-10-2013 04:48 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 02:09 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

You're right in saying that many girls like older guys just because of a simple attraction. But, other girls like older guys because they have never felt love and affection from a man. They crave an older masculine presence.

So if a girl has had a good relationship with her dad she will no longer crave love and affection from a man?

I never said that.

(05-10-2013 04:48 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

If they got their needs met at a young age, then they are met once and for all and finally for ever after?

I never said that either.

You are putting words in my mouth.

I agree with everything else in your post.

I said, "some girls like older guys just because of a simple attraction. But, some girls like older guys because they have never felt love and affection from a man"

So, in other words, some girls like older guys because of daddy issues and some like older guys just because. You explained the "just because" part.

I agree that it's hardwired into all of them. Some just want it/need it more then others. The ones that "need it" are often the ones with issues.