[quino_16]

(11-10-2013 11:43 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Bullying is a part of growing up. It's a right of passage. It's what separates the men from the boys.
It separates the strong from the weak.

You can argue that kids that were bullied end up being bullies too and that's true. But being a bully
is an Alpha male characteristic and that makes you desirable from the female perspective.

Can you imagine what sports and competition will be like in 10-20 years if they punish bullying?
What will the Olympics be like? Will everyone get an arbitrary "Medal of Participation"?

Being bullied makes you focus on your weaknesses and want to improve them in order not to
be bullied anymore. Either that or you become an introverted musician or artist type. Which
the world needs as well. Can you imagine what music will be like if it's written by musicians
that haven't suffered? We wouldn't have Blues or Rock or Metal. It would all be cheesy radio pop.

Is that what you want?

I can definitely relate what you said, especially the bold part since that's how I reacted to bullying.

Although I don't want any kid to be bullied and don't think bullying should be encouraged, it is a part of life.

Life is struggle. It is filled with many adversities, and bullying is one of those adversities.

By facing adversities, we learn and grow. This ant-ibullying campaign is skewing the psychological development and growth of the next generation.

[Agent 47]

I was harassed throughout Elementary and Jr High. To say that i was bullied is an understatement. I was a fat kid, yeah yeah, "u deserved it LOL" but honestly, nobody deserves to be bullied in life. It says a lot about a person that has nothing better to do than undermine another human being. I still remember one assholes name. This guy was a piece of work. Had a record: possession, assault, fraud, trespassing. Harassed me throughout Elem and Jr high. His sick need to fight me was so strong, he once went to my house for the sole intention to hurt me. My mother drove him off. That was the last time i heard of him. I truly hope he's dead or in the hole.

Jr high was a hellhole. Assholes who were bigger and stronger would incessantly call me a faggot, fatass, all kinds of shit. It affected me and my schoolwork. I had little to no friends. My so called "friends" would harass me.

What did i "learn" from this experience? Nothing. There are assholes in this world who just love to shit on people. In high school, i changed. I became much more introverted so nobody had NO chance to hurt me. Effective. You open yourself to the world, in turn, you allow people to hurt you.

I became much more serious and quiet since then. I worked out. lost weight, gained muscle. I am still improving myself.
Would i like to strike back at those who hurt me? Sure, but what's done is done. Success is the greatest revenge.

[Brodiaga]

I grew up in a small, working class Russian town and was bullied as a child and teenager, even as a college student. I was also bullied by my step father, although he never beat me. Unfortunately, sometimes I also acted as a bully when I was a teenager. I should have known better, but there was nobody to tell me that. Even the word "bullying" doesn't really exist in Russian.

I was very extroverted and sociable as a child, but bullying in middle to high school made me very introverted and caused many psychological issues. I managed to overcome some of these issues, but from others I still suffer.

Did bullying teach me anything? Hardly. Did it make me stronger? I think it did in a way, because now I have very low tolerance for assholes and cut them off from my life completely, immediately. But because of that, I also miss out on many opportunities to meet new friends, or new girls.

Some of the assholes who bullied me as a teenager are probably dead or in jail by now. I'm pretty sure most of them didn't amount to anything. If they weren't born the world would have been a better place.

[JimNortonFan]

Difference between bullying and hazing.

Bullying is for the gratification of the bully.

Hazing is for the good of the group, to make sure everyone is on the same page and tough enough to get the job done. My grandfather was a platoon leader in WW2. The soldiers in his platoon hazed him when he became the commander. They wanted to see if a former staff guy was tough enough for the job.

Should frats and sports teams haze? IMO no, because nothing they are doing is that important.

It is also my opinion that the media is attacking bullying because it involves building a hierarchy. It also lets them relive all of their horrible childhood moments like when they wore a pony costume to school for Halloween one year and some kid made fun of it. Now they can "take ownership" of their pain by helping the weak and feel really good about themselves in a SWPL way. If they really wanted to stop bullying they'd push for policies to get fathers back into kids' lives.

Girls bullying girls is an attempt to destroy sexual competition.

For boys I would say there are bad cases but most cases of "bullying" should be learning opportunities about how to fit into a group. Autists, Asperger's cases, and narcissists will react the wrong way and make things worse.

[Libertas]

(11-10-2013 02:47 PM)dog24 Wrote:  

I was under the impression that school shootings are at an all time high these days, maybe kids these days are just bored thats why they kill their classmates with machine guns. Or maybe its because as you said the ability to disseminate information is almost infinite, if you really want to pick on someone vulnerable you have many more options available these days.

I suggest everyone read the book watch my back, its about a guy who used to be bullied and went on a really long over compensatory phase.

That might be true. I'm trying to find stats on the overall number of shootings, not just the amount of homicides at school, which will likely have spiked thanks to Newtown. Unfortunately a lot of what I have found stops after 2010. If anyone can find some more recent stats I'd be thankful.

Still though, school shootings have always been very rare, so using them as a correlation with bullying is problematic.

What really concerns me with the anti-bullying campaigns though is the assault on free speech. Over here there's a mother that's suing not just the bullies, but the parents of the bullies. That's insane.

[Sawyer]

The anti-bullying cry is just the latest salvo by those who consider it their life's goal to make sure that no vestige of culture remains unmoderated by government. Even the slightest hint of non-government approved hierarchy is like slavery is about to break out.

THEY will decide who or what is good, or correct, or just, not you and certainly not you through your children, who belong not to you, but to everyone (everyone meaning them, of course).

Edit: I think the uptick in school shootings can be traced to the increase in prescription SRI use, which CAN cause massive psychotic breaks.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-10-2013 01:55 PM)PrimeTime32 Wrote:  

What I don't get is how in the fuck can you bully someone online? I mean just turn off the computer.

I am not sure either.

But I have been accused of "bullying" on this forum many times. By many "alphas".

[Enigma]

When's the last time y'all were in school? I know some of you dudes are in your 30s and 40s.

This isn't Dazed and Confused

Even when I was in high school and middle school, the kids that fought often got arrested. Doesn't matter who started it.

There was a video that went viral not long ago where a group of kids were ganging up on this fat boy and hitting him in the face. He bodyslammed one of them and walked away but still got suspended (this was in Australia I believe but a similar system exists in the US).

Then you had the parents of the kid that got slammed raising hell.

You have cases where the bully gets his ass whooped and parents want to press charges or sue for injuries.

So it's not really as simple as just fighting back anymore. Now you're forcing kids to choose between getting bullied or getting hit with a criminal record and/or missing school.

I'm not down with the whole cry to teacher shit but you have to look at both sides of the coin. There is a very wide ranging problem with the way children are raised and schooled these days, bullying is just one aspect of it.

[Vaun]

I think there is an anti-bullying problem. I think of the slime demon child Adam Lanza, one of the worst human beings in history. Society, children in his school, people in general, should have levied massive hurt on this kid for being the oddball he was. He may have actually turned out ok, bucked up, found strength within himself. Except society, HIS MOTHER, prescription drugs, his principle, etc, treated this creature like a golden turd. His psycho mother put guns in his hand to teach him 'empowerment.' And look what happened.

He was the epitome child of the anti-bullying crowd, and their little angel became a demon.

[Peregrine]

I'm with dog24. I wonder how many who have posted in favor of bullying were bullied in grade school to the point of skipping school and seriously contemplating dropping out/suicide. Does poor social calibration/awkwardness merit emotional torture?

I made it out alive and well thanks to a supportive (and appropriately tough) father. Not everyone's that fortunate though.

[Doctore]

I'll have to think about the criminal record (we're not that bad in Australia yet), but if it's just missing school, I'm happy for my hypothetical kid to do so as a result of fighting back. I always fought back, at first physically (fists, legs and weapons), then with verbal jiujitsu once I learned how to.

Some school girl down here just killed herself for getting bullied "online". How the fuck can you do that, I don't know, but they're calling for all kinds of Internet censorship atm. I thought online is where it's easiest to fight back or ignore "bullies" if you're weak.

[Sawyer]

I don't read this thread or the current rage about anti-bullying to be about persons being against bullying per se, but instead about whether one should jump on the anti-bullying campaign bandwagon.

I don't know of any rational person who believes that excessive bullying is decent or productive, or teaches their children such. Whether it has a place as puckman suggests I do not know. But this creature being pushed by The Complex is not about that. It is about the ongoing war against the cultural norms of the West. Because the point is not to punish bullies. The point is to police a whole range of behaviors that could lead to people reclaiming their cultural sovereignty.

So it's not really about making sure the behaviors we are supposed to hate (and usually already do) are diminished. The ultimate purpose of all of these Complex Approved (™) campaigns is nothing less than an ongoing operation to completely restructure the shape of the Western psyche, so you end up not as a person of free will, but instead a person trapped inside a prison of perceived prohibited behaviors. An anti-person, if you will. Someone that will never become the person they were meant to be and, most importantly, someone that will never attain the human integrity necessary to challenge The Complex.

Orwell's jackboot in the face of humanity, forever was not an actual guy standing there with a boot in your face. It's a poor bastard stuck inside a society that has imprisoned him within a cell of "antis," whose only release is gathering before the telescreen and shouting at Emanuel Goldstein in an orgasmic glory of finally being able to hate all the right things at all the right times, for two minutes a day. The rest of your life of course being lived in fear and impotence.

Screw every last one of these campaigns.

[michelin]

(11-10-2013 11:43 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

But being a bully is an Alpha male characteristic and that makes you desirable from the female perspective.

I believe it's exactly the opposite: being a bully is a pure beta trait. Just like being jealous, overreacting to some impulses, to become emotionally unstable is beta. I don't think it's a stretch to say that hooliganism is some type of mass bullying.

The fat bully in primary school might well become a mass killer as much as the bullied kid. The bully has some deeply repressed frustration he is trying to get rid of by acting out on others, instead of working on himself (in the gym, going out to meet people, improving his knowledge, etc).

[Enigma]

(11-10-2013 07:39 PM)Doctore Wrote:  

I'll have to think about the criminal record (we're not that bad in Australia yet), but if it's just missing school, I'm happy for my hypothetical kid to do so as a result of fighting back. I always fought back, at first physically (fists, legs and weapons), then with verbal jiujitsu once I learned how to.

Some school girl down here just killed herself for getting bullied "online". How the fuck can you do that, I don't know, but they're calling for all kinds of Internet censorship atm. I thought online is where it's easiest to fight back or ignore "bullies" if you're weak.

Oh I agree completely. I wouldn't have a problem with my kid getting suspended. However, college's do take disciplinary records into account when reviewing applicants. In a very competitive applicant pool, that could be the difference between acceptance and rejection.

Now you have a smart kid who is being penalized for standing up for himself.

I don't think bullying would be as much of a problem if you let their victims haul off on their ass every once and a while.

[demolition]

(11-10-2013 07:39 PM)Doctore Wrote:  

Some school girl down here just killed herself for getting bullied "online". How the fuck can you do that, I don't know, but they're calling for all kinds of Internet censorship atm. I thought online is where it's easiest to fight back or ignore "bullies" if you're weak.

Anyone who's killed themselves over things said about them online has far more pressing issues than the so-called bullying. That there's even mention of any sort of legal consequences in these cases is easily the biggest tip of the cards that "anti-bullying" isn't actually about reducing bullying but rather about thought-control.

[The Beast1]

Pro bullying here. I was picked on hard core when i was in grade school, middle school, high school, and even college. The teasing and all around haters changed and as I got older I got more friends. But primary and secondary school were hell. I was weird, intense, extroverted, hella dorky. The teasing made me hope and dream for a better day.

It taught me to pay my dues on important things . The same people who hated on me in the past are underemployed and in shitty cities. The better part is I am doing much better than all of them. It was a miserable right of passage but it gave me a kill or be killed attitude toward my goals. I only wish i had a father figure to tell me the lessons I learned the hard way.

I still have haters. In fact, it tends to be the over educated women my own age who are envious of what I have and where i fall in the hierarchy. It's nice to be on the up and up compared to these pricks.

Strong father figures solve this problem.

[greensteelhead]

Sawyer is right on the money. I attended a anti-bullying session during "Diversity Day" (read: indoctrination) at my agency, and what is being pushed in the workplace by the Complex is frightening. If this shit gets
Put into law, I will turn in my Resignation as a manager and be a worker drone (Or self employed somewhere sane). When an employee can sue for the way she or he feels about you, your mannerisms (as a boss) or their assignments, it is over for managers. No one would want that risk and liability. I have talked to other leaders, and they agree on tuis fact

This anti-bullying thing replaces the sexual harassment bullshit of the past 20 years, only it amplifies it. Anyone can be offened and feel bullied by anything, but particularly by confident, decisive men who don't stand for bullshit.

On the kid level, yes, bullying happens and it can be devestating. My sister, wide and brother-in-law dealt with it. In two cases, the kids changed schools and was the best choice. Parents and others can engage, but for Christ sake, do not engage the power of the City, State or Federal government. That is taking a bazooka to an ant hill.

It seems so logical and right to pass these laws "for the greater good" until the hot gaze of the crazies and the government is on you. Trust me on this.

[gfly]

Bullying is a universal feature of society, without it society fails. All the anti bullying stuff in schools does is make the bullied kids afraid to stand up for themselves cause they will get in trouble for bullying. It is retarded and either a plot to weaken society or just dumb women making the rules.

[clever alias]

there are varying degrees of bullying. there's "boys will be boys" bullying, which is normal and no big deal, and there's really bad, excessive bullying. I was never bullied bad, but in my middle school, a few kids had it really rough. not just calling them a faggot, but tripping, shoving, knocking their books out, flipping lunch trays, that kind of shit. and the weird thing was, they were normal kids, not super fat or gay or anything, just normal kids everyone seemingly decided to pick on.
it's getting worse now with cyber bullying. spamming someone's facebook, crank calling all the time. Hell, some of the bullies even took the kids number, put up a craigslist ad like "horny girl wanting to suck a dick, call me at xxx-xxxx" and he got something like 200 calls in 12 hours or something.

[Mage]

I was bullied at school. My father was a weak man and I was raised by my mother who although well meaning, just could not teach me how to be a man. I hated bullying but it made me to develop early interest for martial arts, weightlifting, psychology, communications skills, and other ways to achieve personal excellence and develop myself as a man. Now I am glad that I was bullied because I learned how to master my life. I would not have learned it in absence of a strong father authority figure if I was surrounded by women and faggots who told me that I am beautiful the way I am. I would have grown up as a sissy. People hardly change after puberty so I am glad life forced me to learn the hard lessons while I was still a kid, so I can reap when I am adult.

Anti-bullying campaigns is liberal propaganda - a method to raise a sissy generation who cannot survive without government controlling every aspect of their lives.

[Ingocnito]

(11-10-2013 02:49 AM)J.J. Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 02:26 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  

The anti-bullying movement is, in part, the product of low crime rates.

You wouldn't have had this big push to stamp out bullying in the 80's because there was real fucking violent crime to worry about.

The corollary is that when crime rates rise again, it will take the wind out of the sails of the anti-bullying crusaders.

I don't think this is a full explanation for why this movement has occurred by any means. Crime was low in "Leave it to Beaver" times, but nobody would thought of sheltering kids from bullying. The push is tied to anti-homophobia. Once you forbid kids from calling each other fags, it's just a short step to forbiding them from using any abusive language whatsoever.

< Interesting concept. Agreed. Also a result of the nuclear family, fewer father figures around to help kids navigate these situations properly.

Don't you think there is a strong correlation between high school bullies and future crime rate. It wouldn't surprise me at all if a disproportionate amount of the prison population were bullies at one time. A guy like Incognito would definitely be a future criminal if he never played football.

<I incriminated myself when I started thinking for myself J.J., and that started in high school and included laughing in the faces of football players yet befriending them simultaneously, go figure.

[Ingocnito]

(11-10-2013 04:14 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 01:55 PM)PrimeTime32 Wrote:  

What I don't get is how in the fuck can you bully someone online? I mean just turn off the computer.

I am not sure either.

But I have been accused of "bullying" on this forum many times. By many "alphas".

And thus, part of the "alpha formula" includes not taking that which does not physically harm you too seriously.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I do think that there's too much serious bullying everywhere, as in natural-born-psychopaths terrorizing other kids just because "it's fun", beating them, seriously threatening them, robbing them and so on, not because there's an epidemic of that but because even one kid suffering such things is too much. I've only experienced a hint of that, fortunately, but it would have definitely gotten worse if one of my friends wasn't huge for his age and willing to step in. Parents and teachers should never stop being vigilant about that. Also, there should be some kind of enhanced "stand your ground" rule for such situations that prevents kids who stand up to bullies and hand their asses back to them from being suspended as "equally guilty".

That said, most bullying nowadays seems pretty mild, to the point that it shouldn't even be called bullying or require any sort of intervention. Just name-calling, teasing or kids willingly choosing to "duke it out" not bullying. And that is far from the truly insane things being classified as bullying today, like making a gun shape with your hand.

For that reason I think society is failing on both fronts. Instead of doing things to deal with the serious, actually dangerous for other kids bullies, they focus on over-regulation and going after completely innocent stuff. Same with other crimes - for example, someone who commits a vicious kidnapping, beating and rape and gets sentenced might get only 3-5 years and is then out to do it again, whereas at the same time it's frighteningly easy for an innocent man to be sentenced because of a false rape accusation filed by some slut with buyer's remorse. There's no middle ground anymore, and that should concern all of us.

[Inspired]

I was bullied and I don't think I got anything positive from it.

At least in my case, I was embarrassed to tell my parents, or anyone else about it, so I had to deal with it myself. There can be a lot of shame for the person being bullied.

So what did I do? I fought back, which only happened a few times. I ended up getting in equal trouble as the bullies. After that, I didn't feel like I could fight back so easily.

And the problem was, if I fought back, afterwards I'd have more than one bully try to gang up on me. So fighting back wasn't the deterrent it should have been.

I should have started lifting weights and made myself bigger and stronger. That would have helped probably, but who knows.......

I just think there are a lot of psycho's out there who bully people in extreme ways, that just can't be acceptable or provide any useful purpose.

As far as this football situation goes, people can crack under the pressure. This guy obviously cracked. I think he should have handled it better and tried to fix the situation in house, but let's not forget these are young guys who are learning about life. He probably didn't think he could have handled it in house. I was in a situation like this before too. And looking back, I could have handled everything very effectively, but I didn't because I was young and didn't know better.

[The Beast1]

(11-11-2013 05:10 AM)Inspired Wrote:  

I was bullied and I don't think I got anything positive from it.

At least in my case, I was embarrassed to tell my parents, or anyone else about it, so I had to deal with it myself. There can be a lot of shame for the person being bullied.

So what did I do? I fought back, which only happened a few times. I ended up getting in equal trouble as the bullies. After that, I didn't feel like I could fight back so easily.

And the problem was, if I fought back, afterwards I'd have more than one bully try to gang up on me. So fighting back wasn't the deterrent it should have been.

I should have started lifting weights and made myself bigger and stronger. That would have helped probably, but who knows.......

I just think there are a lot of psycho's out there who bully people in extreme ways, that just can't be acceptable or provide any useful purpose.

As far as this football situation goes, people can crack under the pressure. This guy obviously cracked. I think he should have handled it better and tried to fix the situation in house, but let's not forget these are young guys who are learning about life. He probably didn't think he could have handled it in house. I was in a situation like this before too. And looking back, I could have handled everything very effectively, but I didn't because I was young and didn't know better.

Serious question as I don't understand. Why the shame and fear?

I knew I was better than my bullies and everyone else. What happened to you to make you afraid to speak up?

I don't want my children being afraid to speak up and fight back.