[CynicalContrarian]

Best part being, Mike will outline the parameters or his modality & thus give the 'game' away.
Yet these emotive fools just can't help but get caught up in their own little dramas & they persist in their foolish attempts to ridicule someone who overtly details his anti-fragile nature.

[CynicalContrarian]

[Samseau]

Great interview. Scott's views on marriage and children towards the end of the video going into part 2 are really interesting.

Spotted a contradiction in Scott's philosophy however. He says that we are "moist robots," i.e. we are biological machines with free will and that is why learning persuasion is so important, yet he then says he refuses to use persuasion for immoral ends.

How can we be moral agents yet lack free will? How can a person decide not to be "evil" if we cannot choose whether or not to be evil? I wish Mike would have pressed Scott on this issue.

[Sp5]

This guy goes from success to success. Just took down Glenn Beck.

[HonantheBarbarian]

Just want to say that I'm about 4 chapters into Gorilla Mindset and it's definitely worth the money.

I'm getting the impression so far that book is actually much more heavy on basic overall self improvement, with a more cursory look at the game/relationship aspect. I like that about it, but I also haven't read the chapters on relationship yet.

All in all, would definitely recommend to a young player on his way up, or anyone really.

Thanks MikeCF, a good Amazon review will be posted as soon as I finish it.

[Roosh]

His wife is expecting: https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/739901299114795008

I hope the baby is healthy and strong.

[spokepoker]

No need for hope, we all know it will be.

[CynicalContrarian]

Now he has even more reason to counter cultural subversion.

[armenia4ever]

Holy shit I missed that Shauna was pregnant.

I'm glad for Mike. I worry that some men might miss their prime window age wise to have kids. It's alot easier to get up in the middle of the night in your mid to late 20s and change diapers then it is your mid 30s and 40s. More so when it comes to the all the education, adventures, etc that you want to do with them. (For instance I didn't want to be in my 40s and being too tired after work to go out and throw the ball around with my son.)

[DannyAlberta]

^ Cernovich and I are pretty much the same age (both 38). Don't worry about him losing his energy with his kid, he is a pretty physically fit fellow. In fact, several of his older podcasts focus on physcial fitness for the over 35 crowd and remain on my phone to this day as I often give them a re-listen. They are very valuable and have helped me stay active, fit and maintain my energy.

[Roosh]

Quote:

I worry that some men might miss their prime window age wise to have kids. It's alot easier to get up in the middle of the night in your mid to late 20s and change diapers then it is your mid 30s and 40s. More so when it comes to the all the education, adventures, etc that you want to do with them.

I totally agree. I accept that I missed the boat when it comes to fatherhood. It may still happen, but it will under circumstances that are less than favorable when it comes to my age and energy.

[Guriko]

(06-07-2016 12:45 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

I worry that some men might miss their prime window age wise to have kids. It's alot easier to get up in the middle of the night in your mid to late 20s and change diapers then it is your mid 30s and 40s. More so when it comes to the all the education, adventures, etc that you want to do with them.

I totally agree. I accept that I missed the boat when it comes to fatherhood. It may still happen, but it will under circumstances that are less than favorable when it comes to my age and energy.

The Don was 60 year old I believe when Melania gave birth to Barron and the King is kicking ass in business, politics, looks healthy and is the de-facto patriarch of a solid family. All while running for president as a one man army against the whole Pravda-esque media and Regime government of course.

It can be done and I have strong faith that you will make an awesome father should you choose this path.

I know I will. Even being a guide to my younger brother awesome. It's a great feeling seeing someone improve in front of your eyes and then he comes with an honest smile, give a hug and says: 'Thank you.'

Damn, moments like this make ME feel like a king.

[getdownonit]

[Marmite]

(06-07-2016 01:28 AM)armenia4ever Wrote:  

It's alot easier to get up in the middle of the night in your mid to late 20s and change diapers then it is your mid 30s and 40s.

That's the woman's job, or at the very least the nannies.

[Guriko]

(06-07-2016 02:53 PM)Marmite Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 01:28 AM)armenia4ever Wrote:  

It's alot easier to get up in the middle of the night in your mid to late 20s and change diapers then it is your mid 30s and 40s.

That's the woman's job, or at the very least the nannies.

I am a bit stricter on this – it is the mothers and only the mother’s job. Plain and simple. Every woman who cannot stand to take care and groom their own child, their own flesh and blood can fuck off right now.

I've just seen way too many cold mothers who could not give a shit about their kids and their wellbeing but rave on the whole day about the newest gossip or some such trash.

[EDantes]

(06-07-2016 02:53 PM)Marmite Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 01:28 AM)armenia4ever Wrote:  

It's alot easier to get up in the middle of the night in your mid to late 20s and change diapers then it is your mid 30s and 40s.

That's the woman's job, or at the very least the nannies.

I'm surprised I don't hear more suggestions of adopting a 1-3 year old and saving oneself the trouble of dealing with the "cry and poop" phase.

[Fast Eddie]

(06-08-2016 01:01 AM)EDantes Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 02:53 PM)Marmite Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 01:28 AM)armenia4ever Wrote:  

It's alot easier to get up in the middle of the night in your mid to late 20s and change diapers then it is your mid 30s and 40s.

That's the woman's job, or at the very least the nannies.

I'm surprised I don't hear more suggestions of adopting a 1-3 year old and saving oneself the trouble of dealing with the "cry and poop" phase.

That's because this is RVF, not Cuck Corner.

[EDantes]

(06-08-2016 01:39 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 01:01 AM)EDantes Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 02:53 PM)Marmite Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 01:28 AM)armenia4ever Wrote:  

It's alot easier to get up in the middle of the night in your mid to late 20s and change diapers then it is your mid 30s and 40s.

That's the woman's job, or at the very least the nannies.

I'm surprised I don't hear more suggestions of adopting a 1-3 year old and saving oneself the trouble of dealing with the "cry and poop" phase.

That's because this is RVF, not Cuck Corner.

if adopting automatically makes a guy a "cuck" then whatever, not worth arguing over.

I actually was postulating some potential advantages in adoption the other day (though I'm not a legal expert), such as not having to worry about scenarios such as an ex-girlfriend who you have a biological kid with being able to stick you for child support while at the same time denying you custody.

Or at very least knowing the kid is really "your kid", and not having to worry about a kid she carries in her womb having originated from another guy's sperm.

(If a couple adopts and agrees not to have their own kids, then if she ever does get pregnant you can be virtually guaranteed that she cheated).

Ideas worth considering rather than dismissing off the bat as "cuckoldry".

[Fast Eddie]

(06-08-2016 01:48 AM)EDantes Wrote:  

if adopting automatically makes a guy a "cuck" then whatever, not worth arguing over.

I actually was postulating some potential advantages in adoption the other day (though I'm not a legal expert), such as not having to worry about scenarios such as an ex-girlfriend who you have a biological kid with being able to stick you for child support while at the same time denying you custody.

Or at very least knowing the kid is really "your kid", and not having to worry about a kid she carries in her womb having originated from another guy's sperm.

(If a couple adopts and agrees not to have their own kids, then if she ever does get pregnant you can be virtually guaranteed that she cheated).

Ideas worth considering rather than dismissing off the bat as "cuckoldry".

Personally, I would not adopt regardless of my ability or inability to have biological children, but I can understand it if someone is infertile. If you're able to have kids but still choose to adopt rather than have your own? That's not entirely normal, in my book.

And yes, I stand by my analysis.

[EDantes]

(06-08-2016 02:11 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 01:48 AM)EDantes Wrote:  

if adopting automatically makes a guy a "cuck" then whatever, not worth arguing over.

I actually was postulating some potential advantages in adoption the other day (though I'm not a legal expert), such as not having to worry about scenarios such as an ex-girlfriend who you have a biological kid with being able to stick you for child support while at the same time denying you custody.

Or at very least knowing the kid is really "your kid", and not having to worry about a kid she carries in her womb having originated from another guy's sperm.

(If a couple adopts and agrees not to have their own kids, then if she ever does get pregnant you can be virtually guaranteed that she cheated).

Ideas worth considering rather than dismissing off the bat as "cuckoldry".

Personally, I would not adopt regardless of my ability or inability to have biological children, but I can understand it if someone is infertile. If you're able to have kids but still choose to adopt rather than have your own? That's not entirely normal, in my book.

And yes, I stand by my analysis.

Fair enough, I was postulating solutions to the current problem of unmarried men being forced to pay child support to their exes kids while still being denied custody. (Or of married men being automatically presumed to be the father of any kids which occur even if they're the result of infidelity).

If single man were to adopt (which is actually legal apparently) and have full custody then he wouldn't have to worry about that problem with any woman he dates, just saying.

[Marmite]

Another option would be to get a donor egg,use IVF, and have a surrogate carry the child for you. That way you would be the sole legal parent, and could be 100% sure the child is yours.

[spokepoker]

Or, just do it normally, put penis in vagina, ejaculate, have family.

[Dusty]

(06-07-2016 12:45 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

I worry that some men might miss their prime window age wise to have kids. It's alot easier to get up in the middle of the night in your mid to late 20s and change diapers then it is your mid 30s and 40s. More so when it comes to the all the education, adventures, etc that you want to do with them.

I totally agree. I accept that I missed the boat when it comes to fatherhood. It may still happen, but it will under circumstances that are less than favorable when it comes to my age and energy.

I'm in my 50s and will likely still be a father some day. I'd be married to a much younger woman who will understand her role, including doing all the diaper changing and waking up in the middle of the night to take care of the baby. In exchange she'll have a nice and comfortable home and will not need to work while the children are young because she's married to an excellent provider. As the children get older I can retire early because I've been saving since my 20s and have never been divorced raped. I will have the time and energy then to throw myself into fatherhood duties full time and without distraction.

[debeguiled]

(06-08-2016 01:26 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  

Or, just do it normally, put penis in vagina, ejaculate, have family.

If it were that easy, there would be no need for this forum or any of the manosphere.

[armenia4ever]

If you plan on having a big family, your wife isn't going to be able to do it all herself - especially with younger children who are more needy.

We just had our first son about 6 weeks ago and he's alot of work.

Obviously my wife does the nursing, but if I can get up once during the night and change his diaper, it really helps.

I've known some big homeschooling families and the older kids helped out quite a bit with diapers for their younger sibblings.