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08-26-2013, 10:11 PM
I think it is becoming increasingly obvious to many that governments are stooges for the interests of covert power. None of these wars America are engaged in make any sense at all to the economic, social or political interests of the country. Anyone can see that surely.
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08-26-2013, 10:48 PM
Funny how the Department of "Defense" is always on Offense.
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08-26-2013, 11:33 PM
Defense spending is going down while Washington whitewashes the economic numbers. Bernake is shoveling $85B into the economy EACH MONTH! Growth is stagnant. Jobs are stagnant (many new jobs are part time as Obamacare ramps up. We are high on credit and short on cash. Big Ben has been inkling for a couple months that the shoveling of cash into the furnace might end in September. That will hurt this precious 5-year long "recovery."
The Eurozone is a disaster. Cyprus, Italy, Spain, Greece, Ireland and France are a disaster: high debt, low employment, no way out. The Germans hold the cards and the cash, and they have elections in September. The European Union might not have a big German brother to bail them out if the regime and attitudes change there. Who wants to keep bailing out these other nations?
Meanwhile, China has been cooking the books. Their economy is slowing and stagnant since they are tied to the US and the rest of the world. They are squabbling with Japan about islands (and oil and gas underneath them). Both nations recently launched their first carriers. Doesn't that sound awesome and peaceful? Oh, right, Japan's economy sucks and their little nuke plant continues to be one of the worst environmental disasters in history. No problem there!
War is a way out as many of these issues converge in September. The games and spending can continue while the world mobilizes and fights yet another war. This one could be big and nasty given the Russians have moved warships into the region (after tooling up during massive war games in the Far East), and the UK and France are moving air units onto Cyprus.
Cyprus...hmm...yes, where did I hear about Cyprus recently? Oh, right! Lots of Russian tycoons lost big money when they had a banking crisis just a few months ago. I am sure the wealthy Russians were happy to contribute. i am sure Putin never received any phone calls.
Yes....nothing to see here! Move along. The markets, banking and potential intervention are freak events. All coincidence....I am sure of it
The shit show is about to start. Grab some corn and a beer.
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08-27-2013, 12:37 AM
Quote: (08-26-2013 10:00 PM)CJ_W Wrote:
Quote: (08-26-2013 09:56 PM)Damedius Wrote:
This is all smoke and mirrors. It's just an attempt to mask neo-colonialism.
The US has been involved from the start. They have been training mercenaries in Jordan and Turkey.
http://www.jpost.com/Special-Reports5/Re...012-317346
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/21/...a-20130621
Assad has been successful in holding them off and the west is getting impatient. So they are drumming up another bullshit excuse to provide air superiority. That should be enough to tip the scales. This is all about control of the middle east. It's much easier to control a bunch of fractured factions than strong independent nation states. Just like it's easier to control someone that has already been knocked on their ass.
Dont you think Russia is involved in this too? You'd think they'd be all in league with each other, as they'd make a lot more money that way (and playing the "other side" while getting a huge piece of the pie)
I mean it wouldn't make much sense to go to war with each other over this and lose more resources than it's worth. They've gotta be all in on this, but playing this game so that the common person doens't know.
This has many levels so it's hard to say. The gameplan right now is to destroy national sovereignty. This is done through war, both military and economic.
The US seems to be one of the most useful tools to do it. So I assume that they are lost already.
I had also assumed that Russia and China were there own players in the game. The only way to tell for sure would be to study their finances. Who owns what and are they owned by the same groups of people that the west are owned by.
I also think that this is past money at this point. The elites have more money than they could ever need. This has moved to a Eugenics and depopulation phase in my opinion. That doesn't mean that they won't make money at the same time. Just that it is secondary to controlling resources.
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08-27-2013, 12:58 AM
Due to the political nature of this humanitarian disaster, its very hard to say with any certainty who is doing what to who....there is just too much at stake, too much smoke and mirrors and the strings are being pulled by the best puppet masters in the world.
I feel so very sorry for the people, the average joe's, mums and dads and kids that are caught in the middle of this horrific event and can only hope that it sends soon, with a result that's for the best of the people not the politicians.
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08-27-2013, 03:53 AM
Quote: (08-27-2013 03:17 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:
If you didn't like Romney (and he did/said lots of things I disagreed with) then vote 3rd party. Gary Johnson was DAMN impressive and there was a damn good reason both Republicans and Democrats prevented him from being allowed to debate.
Every third party candidate looked better. I would have voted for Jill Stein before I voted for the two main party candidates.
I think this is the fundamental flaw with democracy. You have too many stupid people voting. I would advocate going to system where only land owners could vote. Basically you have to be able to contribute to the system in order to vote.
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08-27-2013, 04:23 AM
Quote: (08-27-2013 04:06 AM)Samseau Wrote:
Quote: (08-27-2013 03:53 AM)Damedius Wrote:
Quote: (08-27-2013 03:17 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:
If you didn't like Romney (and he did/said lots of things I disagreed with) then vote 3rd party. Gary Johnson was DAMN impressive and there was a damn good reason both Republicans and Democrats prevented him from being allowed to debate.
Every third party candidate looked better. I would have voted for Jill Stein before I voted for the two main party candidates.
I think this is the fundamental flaw with democracy. You have too many stupid people voting. I would advocate going to system where only land owners could vote. Basically you have to be able to contribute to the system in order to vote.
Voting restrictions:
- Must have done one of the following: served in military, paid a net positive tax the year prior, or own land.
- Must be male
- Must be older than 18
You seem like you have put more thought into than me. I think I heard of a system where only land owners vote and it sounded much better than what we currently have.
That's a better set of requirements than what I suggested.
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08-27-2013, 04:40 AM
Quote: (08-27-2013 04:09 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:
Quote: (08-27-2013 03:53 AM)Damedius Wrote:
Quote: (08-27-2013 03:17 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:
If you didn't like Romney (and he did/said lots of things I disagreed with) then vote 3rd party. Gary Johnson was DAMN impressive and there was a damn good reason both Republicans and Democrats prevented him from being allowed to debate.
Every third party candidate looked better. I would have voted for Jill Stein before I voted for the two main party candidates.
I think this is the fundamental flaw with democracy. You have too many stupid people voting. I would advocate going to system where only land owners could vote. Basically you have to be able to contribute to the system in order to vote.
Agreed. I would have taken Romney over Obama or Jill Stein, but still I agree with your premise of voting.
The only way for a "Democracy" to work, is that all those who vote have something in the game. The best bet would be to have a system where all taxes are on one form of ownership/income and only those who pay the taxes vote. At the same time we would want this to be at least 50% of society, so the voters are not left to only the elite.
The reason why I would vote for Jill Stein over Romney is that she would pull back spending on military. The US wastes too much money on military. On top of that it isn't smart about how it spends it's money. It's all about corporations milking the taxpayer for as much as it can.
Just one example is fighter jets. At this point they have become obsolete. The F-35 is a joke. A colossal waste of money. Drones are the future of air combat. Yet you have many countries spending billions of dollars on them. It essentially corporate welfare or fascism.
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08-27-2013, 06:30 AM
Could it be that what US is doing is as plain as simple as a moral act? To save civilian population from mass murder?
You might call me naive and I am sure other interests and considerations exist but the main reason is to save innocent lives.
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08-27-2013, 06:54 AM
I think the only thing that motivates the West with military intervention is self-interest.
This has been demonstrated in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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08-27-2013, 07:03 AM
I think poor decisions made out of self-interest in the past (e.g. Iraq) cloud judgment during cases when there's a clear humanitarian narrative. Any war we're involved in - justified or not - will be viewed negatively as a result.
Syria is just one spot on the geopolitical chessboard. Lots of players involved, lots of geopolitical influence at stake. We only know the half of it.