[Courage Reborn]

I just spent 3 days in Soho, London.

The city is hugely overwhelming for a short term visit.

The talent is more cosmopolitan than Manchester. A lot less slutty.

I enjoyed my 3 days in Manchester more, as it was easier to wrap my head around. Nightlife was centered around a few small areas in that city. London requires more insider knowledge to find the good spots. Especially for off-nights. I asked around. Got lots of different answers. Was not able to discover any good nightlife Mon-Wed. I'm sure it exists somewhere, as the city is huge.

The restaurants taste better than Manchester. More expensive.

It rained every day for most of my stay. There are lines out to the street at many Underground stations around rush hour.

Central London is not very livable. Rental prices astronomical. On par with the trendy areas of Manhattan. Maybe more. Lots of tourist traps. Westminster Abbey, Buckingham Palace, and many more tourist attractions cost upwards of $30 USD to go inside. The museums are free with a suggested 5 pound donation. The British Museum houses the Rosetta Stone, among many other interesting antiquities.

I got more online dating bites in 3 days here than any other city. Must have got a dozen messages. All inbound. Still not sure why. I met up with 1 online girl outside the city center in the semi-suburbs. Unfortunately in person she was a wilde-beast. Wasn't in town long enough to capitalize on the others, but they're still messaging me. Online dating in London is being slept on (okcupid).

The local HB's I chatted up in the city during the day were ok. Finding them amid the tourists is a challenge. Good style & makeup. Not so feminine beyond that. No one asked "where are you from?". Compared to Manchester, where lots of people asked where I was from based on my American accent. Americans in London are much more common, and less interesting to the girls.

Compared to NYC; In London the weather is shittier. The people are nicer. The Underground is better than the Subway.

Compared to Manchester; Manchester is better for traditional gaming. Girls are impressed easier there. Being American got me laid with minimal effort. London city girls require more impressive game & story. London is better for Online. I believe you can do serious damage online in London with more time spent.

Overall thought on London; Too diverse to sum up. Take the good with the bad. Pray for decent weather.

[mr_lucky]

(08-25-2013 09:33 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

- Beer is cheap: £2.50 for a pint at happy hour, £3.50 normally

Not cheap. These are Manhattan prices. Only thing different is the superior quality in London

[EU Explorer]

Regarding the weather we have just had the hottest summer for 7 years but you have been a bit unlucky this past week. The only thing to mention about online dating is some of the websites have a lot of fake profiles but I am sure you will know whether they seem genuine or not (match.com and datingdirect are 2 culprits and being investigated apparently)

[Que enspastic]

Looking for some decent intell on the following list:

Who's been where? And does "guest list" actually mean "guest list" or just dress well?


Thursday 19th September

Guest ListLondon's No.1 Thursday Party
@ DSTRKT London

Music: Commercial Dance
Price: Ladies free before 11:00 pm on guest list / Guys £20

Guest ListI Love To Party
@ The Borderline
Music: Pop
Price: £3 b4 Midnight/£5 after/£3 NUS all night

Inside Music Management
Location: Bells Of Shoreditch
Music: UK Garage

Guest ListWhisky Mist Thursdays
Location: Whisky Mist London
Music: R & B

Guest ListHipHop Thursdays
Location: Rose Club
Music: Hip-Hop

Guest ListThursday's Will Never Be The Same!
Location: Cirque Du Soir
Music: House

Remote Field # 1
Location: Alleycat
Music: Leftfield

Guest ListRadio
Location: The Roxy
Music: Pop

Guest ListExclusive VIP Party
Location: Boujis
Music: Commercial Dance

Guest ListVIP Thursday
Location: Aura
Music: R & B

Guest ListIndeedy Musical Bingo
Location: Drink Shop & Dance

Guest ListHip Hop Thursdays
Location: Jalouse
Music: R & B

[RonnieB]

(09-17-2013 02:22 PM)EU Explorer Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 10:53 AM)RonnieB Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 08:01 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

I don't know London too well yet.

But at the moment I consider there to be three main areas for girls:

1) Leicester Square inner city area
2) King's Cross/Camden area
3) Shoreditch/Dalston area

Any of those would be excellent.

Give Clapham a go as well, loads of young hotties

Ronnie...my experience is that Clapham is full of couples and middle class families so where are you seeing all these chicks?.

My experience is that it is full of young white party types. If you like white, non hipster girls I reckon it's the place to go. Clapham Common on a sunny day is packed with hot girls sitting on the grass.

(09-17-2013 02:42 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

^ I lived in Oval for 3 weeks which is walking distance from Clapham. It had a lot of pubs. All of these pubs warned people about thieves. I have heard of Infernos (a club) but never been.

Nearby Vauxhall was gayer than Soho. I believe it is nicknamed "Vauxho" now.

Can you be more specific with regard to Clapham? Name of bars or clubs that pull in talent?

Sounds like you like the more higher end clubs, Clapham has more mid range type bars/club. Alot of the bars are not open late and close around 12-1 then there is a big rush to get into the clubs like infernos.

Infernos is really trashy and I remember it's £14 to get in plus expensive drinks. But if you want to pick up it's the place to go. I warn though that you won't be seeing any classy 9's and 10's in there. I've been twice and scored twice without any effort.

Heaps of bars on clapham high street, can get big queues if you get there after 11. You can try out loads of bars for talent as they are so close together. No bar stands out for having hotter girls than the rest.

Not far from the high street is the Jam Tree and also Gigalum which have nice girls. I get the impression that Gigalum people go more in groups so may have a few cockblockers.

Another club that is easy to score at, perhaps easier than infernos is The Exhibit in Balham, no cover charge for this one. Easy to score but also no 9's and 10's as for infernos.

If you head over to clapham junction there are loads more bars plus late night places like the Clapham Grand. If you want a crazy 'unique' drinking experience on Sunday with Aussies/New Zealanders/South Africans check out the church http://thechurchlondon.com/ Definitely not classy but I'm sure you could pick up something there

[Que enspastic]

So tonight, being a Thursday, I went to Proud (£6 entry) in Camden, then Barfly, then Joe's in Chalk Farm (£3.40 entry).

These places are very close to where I live.

This was a decent night. There is a lot of talent in London. I saw very, very hot Finnish girls, hot Brazilians, Colombians, Americans and some nice Polish.

There are no excuses for being shit in London. You can't blame English girls because most girls you approach will be foreign. There is plenty of talent.

I am foreign, they are foreign. It is easier than back home where there is nothing of obvious interest to talk about.


Some more observations:

- 2 fights at two bars. Really aggressive headkicker fights. One with some white gang vs a drunk beta looking guy outside the Elephant's Head, the other was a black guy smashing up a white guy who was clearly on drugs and splashing water around from the jacuzzi in Proud. Given Camden looks pretty yuppie to me, I can't imagine the fights that go on in the ghetto areas.

- There's always some black guy in the toilet room handing me a paper towel with lollipops on the side. At almost every club. What is this?

- Have yet to meet an Australian, NZ or Sth African. Apparently they're everywhere. Been here almost 5 weeks, still haven't met one. Heard accent x3 on Tube but that's it.

- Electric cigarettes at bars. Never seen this before.

- So many people smoke in Camden. Maybe 70-80%. All young too.

- Stella Artois bottle was plastic. Pretty cool. I guess this is in response to glassing.

- Proud has a really, really good set up in the courtyard. Middle part with stables is decent too. Front club area is shit, too smokey and bright with too few people.

- Game style: confident but give a lot of compliments. Obviously in an alpha tone of voice, don't put her on a pedastal. Lots of student girls are unemployed, in debt or doing unpaid internships. Foreign girls are usually students too or working in low paid jobs. London girls live in a super expensive city and life is tough.

Only tease girls gently, they don't have strong egos and if they look like they do, it's probably a front. If you encounter some level of bitchiness, the longer you can hang in there and get her to open up to you on where she's at, the smaller it will likely become.

Girls here respect you for being intelligent. Talking about your cultural interests will not dry up her vagina. I like that I can be myself. Good Looking Loser would get penalised for being dumb I think. London chicks are on a different level to girls in LA.

[paninaro]

(09-19-2013 08:24 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

- 2 fights at two bars. Really aggressive headkicker fights. One with some white gang vs a drunk beta looking guy outside the Elephant's Head, the other was a black guy smashing up a white guy who was clearly on drugs and splashing water around from the jacuzzi in Proud. Given Camden looks pretty yuppie to me, I can't imagine the fights that go on in the ghetto areas.

I noticed this too. My most recent trips to London I was busy on business most of the time, but even just going out walking on a weekend night, and I'd always see at least one fight. One I saw at the entrance to King's Cross station and they actually had cops stationed inside the station all night long as a regular thing, since fights are so common.

All I can guess is the stiff upper lip British have all this pent up frustration that they finally get out of their system when they get drunk.

So all I can say is beware this is not uncommon, and just do your best to avoid trouble. No good gaming with a bloody lip!

[bojangles]

(09-19-2013 10:50 AM)zanetti Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 10:34 AM)Caligula Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 03:27 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Infernos is a notorious slut fest, Clapham has some sexy anglo girls not so much foreign girls (unless Aussie/kiwi/saffa which I mean by Anglo).

What days are good for Infernos? I've driven past there a few times in recent weeks and wondered about it.

only Saturdays are good at Infernos

@ Bojangles, 5/6 years ago mostly anglo girls, nowadays there are a fair amount of polish ones as well, who, needless to say, are a zillion times better than the british ones...

Really? Fucking hell, I only went last year

[RonnieB]

(09-20-2013 08:49 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 10:50 AM)zanetti Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 10:34 AM)Caligula Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 03:27 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Infernos is a notorious slut fest, Clapham has some sexy anglo girls not so much foreign girls (unless Aussie/kiwi/saffa which I mean by Anglo).

What days are good for Infernos? I've driven past there a few times in recent weeks and wondered about it.

only Saturdays are good at Infernos

@ Bojangles, 5/6 years ago mostly anglo girls, nowadays there are a fair amount of polish ones as well, who, needless to say, are a zillion times better than the british ones...

Really? Fucking hell, I only went last year

I haven't bumped into the Polish girls, my experience was Australian and UK girls when I went this year.

[bojangles]

exactly what i've seen Ronnie

[Que enspastic]

saw my third fight in two nights. this time a guy had his arm fractured. in chalk farm outside train station.

could have been a fourth in central london. my wing was from newcastle. a random guy asked him where he was from and started telling him that "everyone in newcastle is a fucking cunt", including his family. just out of nowhere. wouldn't back down.

these were the places i went to tonight:

ruby blue - shit, would never pay to go here. can't believe it has a cover charge.

tiger tiger - didn't go in but people there looked old as fuck

piccadilly institute - decent

zoo - so average

rumba - good

verve - average

in sum, stick with places outside central london as they have better vibe, cheaper too, etc. if you're running solo dolo definitely book in a pub crawl. these are mad fun.

still want to hit up DSTRKT. soon.

[Caligula]

(09-20-2013 08:49 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 10:50 AM)zanetti Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 10:34 AM)Caligula Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 03:27 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Infernos is a notorious slut fest, Clapham has some sexy anglo girls not so much foreign girls (unless Aussie/kiwi/saffa which I mean by Anglo).

What days are good for Infernos? I've driven past there a few times in recent weeks and wondered about it.

only Saturdays are good at Infernos

@ Bojangles, 5/6 years ago mostly anglo girls, nowadays there are a fair amount of polish ones as well, who, needless to say, are a zillion times better than the british ones...

Really? Fucking hell, I only went last year

Used to bang a Belorussian girl who lived around the corner from Infernos. A bunch of her EE friends lived in the same area. So I wouldn't be surprised if there was a good EE contingent there.

[Matt3B]

Dunno how you've seen so many fights, I can't even recall seeing one and I've been here for 3 years.

What do you guys think of day gaming here? What have your experiences been? Especially the Americans who say they have it the hardest in the world in America.

[Que enspastic]

Haven't tried day gaming yet. But no way is London the hardest in the world. Half this city is international. I am seeing hot girls all the time.

Internationals are mainly hot Europeans, Americans and South Americans. You also have hot white English girls who have relocated to London. Contrast that to Melbourne where the internationals are Asian FOBs. Guys there are desperate for European backpackers and Sth American exchange students because they are on average much hotter than white Australian girls. A lot of Australian guys that do game run through Australian-Asian girls.

Your male competition in London is much shorter on average (I use to go to venues in Melbourne where the average height was 6"1), better ratio of women to men, fewer cliquish bars, lower rate of obesity among women. I come across positively as an educated Australian with a professional job here. I get lots of questions asked, which is a good thing.

Hardest thing in London is logistics, not the girls. I can imagine this would also be the biggest problem in places like LA, etc. I have a stack of numbers that are borderline useless because the girls live far away. And the numerous cover charges at certain establishments is annoying. I'm also running into a lot of English girls with bfs. Legit bfs I can see on their Facebook. Could just be unlucky, small sample size.

I am going to start daygaming. It will be confined only to the area in which I live (Camden) because I want girls that live around the corner. Will try and do it naturally when I'm already on my way somewhere rather than finding chunks of time to roam.

[the crazy]

Guys anyone here in London that wants to go out looking for some pussy? Preferably 20/30 years old guys.

[bojangles]

Yeah I'm running weekend bootcamps if anyone is interested, especially newbies, I'm in northern england, offer me a worthwhile value so my train fare is covered plus more, not these £50 offers I'm getting.

[lskdfjldsf]

What. The. Fuck. Why didn't anyone tell me this city was so awesome?

This is the easiest place in the world to find a girl. Maybe it's because I've been living in Germany and because UK girls generally like Americans, but after spending my first full month in London, this place has me convinced.

Typical ratios for comparison:

Hamburg day game: 10 approaches, 2 numbers
London day game: 10 approaches, 6 numbers

Hamburg club game: 1 new notch possible every two weeks (Friday/Saturday clubbing)
London club game: 1 new notch possible every night (Friday/Saturday clubbing). Chicks shag in toilets, in alleys, absolutely no self respect.

EDIT: Tip for Americans in London:
Never play up that you're American. Talk to a girl as if it's not even something to be noticed or talked about, unless she asks (in which case, don't give it much attention).



For the first time in my life I have the feeling I need to hit the brakes. This shit is just too easy. Big NYC vibe here and it's easy to get new flags (got Bulgaria and France recently). If you're good looking and even halfway decent at game you have the city by the balls. Logistics and commuting are the only downsides so far.

Will post in the meetup section later, I'm still new to the city and don't really know my way around much yet.

[Courage Reborn]

^ Where are you running Daygame in London with those numbers? Are they converting to bangs?

I found the city center area to be overwhelming for making approaches. That with the high cost, rain every day, and lack of hot targets in any significant concentrations (ie. a college/park area) made it a total write off for me...

[lskdfjldsf]

I only followed up with two so far, one was a same night after the club bang and the other is coming over tomorrow. Turnaround seems to be quicker here, really reminds me of NYC alot.

I've only been here a month but Camden/Notting Hill neighborhoods have been best for day game, it seems to be a younger crowd compared to other parts. For some odd reason I see great girls near the Farringdon station (a couple good approaches at the Costa coffee place, I think it's called, near the exit)

I'm no expert of course, could just be my luck so far.

[Que enspastic]

(09-19-2013 02:18 PM)mr_lucky Wrote:  

(08-25-2013 09:33 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

- Beer is cheap: £2.50 for a pint at happy hour, £3.50 normally

Not cheap. These are Manhattan prices. Only thing different is the superior quality in London

Manhattan has cheap beer too?

[Que enspastic]

Discovered Mayfair tonight with a wing from Roosh V.

I'm impressed with the quality of wings Roosh V is throwing out. Met a few guys from London Seduction Society (LSS) but they are basically just average local guys that are into game. Nothing wrong with that but they lack the focus on international travel, high status careers, wearing good clothes, hitting the gym, etc. that seem to typify the guys I've met so far from Roosh V.

Mayfair... this place now renders Central London redundant IMO.

Don't go to Central London.

You have Shoreditch or Camden for easy-going hot indie girls, or Mayfair for status-conscious babes. Central London just sucks by comparison. It doesn't offer anything that these other three places don't already except v long lines, pubs that shut early, bad ratios and average girls.

Londoners don't really allow you to like BOTH Mayfair and Shoreditch/Camden but I can flip from indie to high-end - so there, I like both. I would advise keeping silent on your dual preference, if it exists, as you risk unhelpful negative judgment from girls at both places.

Mayfair is what I like to call "8 & 9 central". I have never seen such a high concentration of babes in my life, and I have been to some very decent high-end clubs in my time.

Girls have great tits, ass and cute faces ON AVERAGE. Ugly girls don't go here at all, and girls that are just average (5-6s) are in the minority.

Next week we will hit up The Mayfair Club and/or Mahiki on Saturday. Guestlist for The Mayfair Club is "Trinity", black guy almost got us in but one of us didn't have ID so no dice. Guys from RVF are welcome to come if they're in their 20s and comfortable around stunners. Bouncers are pretty discriminatory so good aesthetics and being well dressed is helpful in getting through the door.

Chatted to some of these very gorgeous girls outside the club and bitch factor was much lower than I expected, which is goood.

On our way back in Central London, the quality of girls we saw on the streets nosedived dramatically. It was ridiculous. Even your grandma would have noticed the shift.

Line outside DSTRKT in Leicester Square wasn't as solid as last time I checked and heard some bad reviews on this place so didn't bother. We almost went to Penthouse but it seemed as though the ratio was out of whack in the line and the promoters were trying to hustle way too hard, perhaps suggesting they were overcompensating for the club's shortfalls.

Think I will now try Camden (Thurs), Shoreditch (Fri), Mayfair (Sat) as my weekly thing.

Still getting crushed on logistics. Got some numbers for cute girls living in Watford, St. Albans and Milton Keynes. No idea where any of those places are relative to inner London.

[GameTheory]

(09-28-2013 08:11 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  

[...]
EDIT: Tip for Americans in London:
Never play up that you're American. Talk to a girl as if it's not even something to be noticed or talked about, unless she asks (in which case, don't give it much attention).

what about B'ham, Manc, Essex, Leeds, Newcastle, Cardiff, Belfast ?

anyone know the anti-American sentiment in these UK cities ???

[Teedub]

(09-30-2013 04:03 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  

(09-28-2013 08:11 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  

[...]
EDIT: Tip for Americans in London:
Never play up that you're American. Talk to a girl as if it's not even something to be noticed or talked about, unless she asks (in which case, don't give it much attention).

what about B'ham, Manc, Essex, Leeds, Newcastle, Cardiff, Belfast ?

anyone know the anti-American sentiment in these UK cities ???

It's not anti-American sentiment he's talking about, at least I don't think. There isn't much here at all. I think he's probably just meaning to be mysterious and to purposefully play it down to get them interested.

I can't speak for everywhere, but being an American would be a big DHV in Manchester. Especially a black American - such a novelty and something that has been 'coolified' due to rap etc.

[bojangles]

I;ve hit Mayfair a lot in the past, the girls aren't stuck up like people expect, easy to get numbers and easy to get fucked. Cocaine is a good tip too

LSS are a bunch of losers, I hit them up when I first started in game and 2 weeks in a row had 3 guys come out to daygame with me who didn't even approach ,they just watched me. Bunch of geeks mostly I'm guessing, I think I saw a group of them on the weekend talking about approaching girls in Trafalgar Square, and they just looked like the Inbetweeners.

[gadabout]

Trafalgar square? Yeah that was me. Nailed it.

Mayfair, South Ken and Chelsea is QUALITY and you are only competing with a bunch of toffs who only know how to impress a girl with his fast car. It's a lot of fun but logistics a terrible for me. Went to a hip hop party a couple of weeks back... I blew £80 at the bar and it took me about 2 hours to get home because I was being a tight wod and didn't want to pay for a cab. Fail. I generally have more fun out that way these days just because it is more of a novelty than what I am used to. The quality is higher and the girls are sweet but you will definitely encounter some high bitch shields compared to North/East.

QE if you live in Camden area you might want to try KOKO on a saturday night. I used to do well there in my hay day.