[Latinopan]

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50 Shades sold 30 million copies for a reason.

Over 125 million copies worldwide by June 2015.

(11-16-2015 09:37 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

An example: a couple of weeks ago I banged a girl for the first time; a well spoken , well dressed corporate type who comes from a fairly wealthy family.

Those corporate drones crave domination like crazy, the more power a woman has on her daily life, the more domination she demands in the room, contrary to what many people against BDSM try to say, most domination loving women are not the the drug addict around the corner from a broken home type.

They are usually well dressed women in the office, I know of a guy who was not openly saying BDSM but got a older doctor woman, she was already late 40s and some grey hair, but at least she wasn't fat, she was a ballet dancer for some time, she has a department under her control in a hospital, being a older she was straight forward with him (he was 28), she liked being shocked, tied up, slapped, spite on, and spanked the shit out of her, he did not have any BDSM tool, he would use whatever he could improvise in the room. When he asked her why she liked it she answered "having some much control over people make me depressed", she was into painkillers and antidepressants.

Then I wondered how the high numbers of women with depression you read on the media today in the workplace is like this.

[olive]

(11-17-2015 12:28 AM)Latinopan Wrote:  

Those corporate drones crave domination like crazy, the more power a woman has on her daily life, the more domination she demands in the room, contrary to what many people against BDSM try to say, most domination loving women are not the the drug addict around the corner from a broken home type.

They are usually well dressed women in the office, I know of a guy who was not openly saying BDSM but got a older doctor woman, she was already late 40s and some grey hair, but at least she wasn't fat, she was a ballet dancer for some time, she has a department under her control in a hospital, being a older she was straight forward with him (he was 28), she liked being shocked, tied up, slapped, spite on, and spanked the shit out of her, he did not have any BDSM tool, he would use whatever he could improvise in the room. When he asked her why she liked it she answered "having some much control over people make me depressed", she was into painkillers and antidepressants.

Then I wondered how the high numbers of women with depression you read on the media today in the workplace is like this.

This is very true and it is not a female thing either. I heard and read from several sources professional/high earner type men are most (if not all) of subs for professional dom woman. There was a documentary filming a professional German dom, showing her dungeon and clips from her sessions. She mentioned the same: she has 'clients' from a wide range of population but the craziest/lowliest are high earner/boardroom type of man.

It is a bit of a surprise initially (how come 'big boss' lick her boots?!) but come to think of it, it does make sense - these people are typically under immense stress every day (much more than average person) very long hours, weeks or months on end with no vacation and constant long hours. Every now and then they simply with to relinquish control in a "safe" environment.

Good tips in there, improvised tying up (with a tie or bra), spanking/slapping are all, nice, and 24/7/365 available tools. Goldenshower is another one for the improvised toolbox, usually not suitable for the first session though.

[Latinopan]

(11-17-2015 07:49 PM)olive Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 12:28 AM)Latinopan Wrote:  

Those corporate drones crave domination like crazy, the more power a woman has on her daily life, the more domination she demands in the room, contrary to what many people against BDSM try to say, most domination loving women are not the the drug addict around the corner from a broken home type.

They are usually well dressed women in the office, I know of a guy who was not openly saying BDSM but got a older doctor woman, she was already late 40s and some grey hair, but at least she wasn't fat, she was a ballet dancer for some time, she has a department under her control in a hospital, being a older she was straight forward with him (he was 28), she liked being shocked, tied up, slapped, spite on, and spanked the shit out of her, he did not have any BDSM tool, he would use whatever he could improvise in the room. When he asked her why she liked it she answered "having some much control over people make me depressed", she was into painkillers and antidepressants.

Then I wondered how the high numbers of women with depression you read on the media today in the workplace is like this.

This is very true and it is not a female thing either. I heard and read from several sources professional/high earner type men are most (if not all) of subs for professional dom woman. There was a documentary filming a professional German dom, showing her dungeon and clips from her sessions. She mentioned the same: she has 'clients' from a wide range of population but the craziest/lowliest are high earner/boardroom type of man.

It is a bit of a surprise initially (how come 'big boss' lick her boots?!) but come to think of it, it does make sense - these people are typically under immense stress every day (much more than average person) very long hours, weeks or months on end with no vacation and constant long hours. Every now and then they simply with to relinquish control in a "safe" environment.

Good tips in there, improvised tying up (with a tie or bra), spanking/slapping are all, nice, and 24/7/365 available tools. Goldenshower is another one for the improvised toolbox, usually not suitable for the first session though.

Yeah, I read and watch how the cuckold fetish is common among high powered men with people under their control at work, many males strippers and escorts get hired by the husbands for the wives.

[DonnyGately]

It's not just a 'professional' woman thing either. It's about the loss of control. College girls that feel like they have to be 'on' all the time, retail shopgirls who have to look, act, wear clothes a certain way with the right sales-y 'attitude.'

For some of them, being tied up, spanked, slapped, choked and spit on is what they call a successful first or second date. They actually need the pain and humiliation, it gives them an additional endorphin rush on top of sexual release.

[Cr33pin]

(11-16-2015 09:49 PM)JackMurphy Wrote:  

I've always enjoyed turning out vanilla chicks, rather than going deep with an established sub.

A vanilla girl at least retains some veneer of "good girl." the deep BDSM chicks have none of that.

Yea they both have their pros and cons. I have been turning "good girls" out my whole life, before I even knew what BDSM was. Its great, and all. However then I got with this Italian chick who was truly into being dominated and pleasing me at any cost.... and that was a game changer. I enjoyed my self much more with a girl who was really into it rather then a girl who was open to try it or allowing me to do it just to please me.

[Latinopan]

(11-18-2015 10:10 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

It's not just a 'professional' woman thing either. It's about the loss of control. College girls that feel like they have to be 'on' all the time, retail shopgirls who have to look, act, wear clothes a certain way with the right sales-y 'attitude.'

For some of them, being tied up, spanked, slapped, choked and spit on is what they call a successful first or second date. They actually need the pain and humiliation, it gives them an additional endorphin rush on top of sexual release.

Normally, is the lack of male dominance in general, women are going around almost playing a character feminists has created for them of strong, powerful dominant woman, BDSM or a guy with a level of dominance can allows a woman stop playing, and just let go, 50 Shades Of Grey and Twilight use a history of Dom/SUb and supernatural power as an excuse, But the Twilight is all about of male dominance and traditional gender roles (and some Pro-life theme).

[Robert Plant]

A few weeks ago, I had my first mini relationship with a truly submissive woman. Now that she has gone back to her home country a kind of depression has set in. There really is a difference between vanilla women who are putting on an act and a true sub.

[olive]

(11-19-2015 12:07 AM)Robert Plant Wrote:  

A few weeks ago, I had my first mini relationship with a truly submissive woman. Now that she has gone back to her home country a kind of depression has set in. There really is a difference between vanilla women who are putting on an act and a true sub.

time for fetlife

[DonnyGately]

(11-19-2015 12:07 AM)Robert Plant Wrote:  

A few weeks ago, I had my first mini relationship with a truly submissive woman. Now that she has gone back to her home country a kind of depression has set in. There really is a difference between vanilla women who are putting on an act and a true sub.

Oh yes there is. True subs are amazing. I have been talking to one that is looking for me to hit her with various objects/my hands and wants to do electro-play as well. And be a complete sexual submissive.

[Latinopan]

(11-16-2015 09:49 PM)JackMurphy Wrote:  

I've always enjoyed turning out vanilla chicks, rather than going deep with an established sub.

A vanilla girl at least retains some veneer of "good girl." the deep BDSM chicks have none of that.

I know some guys that have make a hobby making vegan girl to eat meat, somehow they can use that as a way to transform girls into what they want like BDSM.

[olive]

(11-20-2015 10:35 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 09:49 PM)JackMurphy Wrote:  

I've always enjoyed turning out vanilla chicks, rather than going deep with an established sub.

A vanilla girl at least retains some veneer of "good girl." the deep BDSM chicks have none of that.

I know some guys that have make a hobby making vegan girl to eat meat, somehow they can use that as a way to transform girls into what they want like BDSM.

reprogramming. light version is used in any modern military force. highly effective. some other BDSM versions include forced sex, forced impregnation, sleep depriviation, imposed pet play, imposed daddy/doll, goldenshower/skat, ...

once you break the will to resist to "absolute NO"s, soon after other party enter into follower mode which makes things smoother thereafter.

there's a classic 1976 paper on rape in US prisons which explain the trifold setup of gays/forced gays/buffs. forced gays are the ones that are forced to enter follower mode. usually follows them even after prison term is over - such strong is reprogramming.

[Latinopan]

(11-20-2015 10:53 PM)olive Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 10:35 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 09:49 PM)JackMurphy Wrote:  

I've always enjoyed turning out vanilla chicks, rather than going deep with an established sub.

A vanilla girl at least retains some veneer of "good girl." the deep BDSM chicks have none of that.

I know some guys that have make a hobby making vegan girl to eat meat, somehow they can use that as a way to transform girls into what they want like BDSM.

reprogramming. light version is used in any modern military force. highly effective. some other BDSM versions include forced sex, forced impregnation, sleep depriviation, imposed pet play, imposed daddy/doll, goldenshower/skat, ...

once you break the will to resist to "absolute NO"s, soon after other party enter into follower mode which makes things smoother thereafter.

there's a classic 1976 paper on rape in US prisons which explain the trifold setup of gays/forced gays/buffs. forced gays are the ones that are forced to enter follower mode. usually follows them even after prison term is over - such strong is reprogramming.

It is called Thought reform, this guy on YT explain how 50 Shades Of Grey uses this

Technically Grey has to get Anastasia comfortable to the idea of saying "yes" to what he wants, the first meeting involve Grey giving Anastasia a pencil, then a businesses car, eventually accepting to have coffee with him.
This is how criminals can get girls to do criminals stuff for them, reprogramming a vanilla girls into a good sub require real skills, there are Doms that are able to build harems of several girls because how good they are at reprogramming and dominating, they would go reprogramming the girl before they actually fuck her, a lot of a good Dom persona comes from self control, most girls once they experience submission they will enjoy more the domination than actual sex itself. I have read forums of subs saying how their Doms restricting and denying internet, food, sex...........and they love it, one sub in a forum wrote how her Dom made her stand still outside in the backyard during a rain and then bringing her inside giving her a hot water bath, that kind of stuff is powerful, once you dig inside a girl's mind she would kill for you.

Some evolutionary psychologies believe that women developed this ability because it was an easy way to survive.

[Latinopan]

My favorite Audrey Hepburn

[olive]

Good writeup and a valid pop reference.

I don't think that's the right term though gotta admit it's better than my 'reprogramming'.
The three most frequently used actual terms on this concept in Wikipedia order is: Mind control (or brainwag, or coercive persuasion)".
I intentionally tried to describe with other words (fail?) hoping not to hit the usual reflexive part of the brain. Some of my friends (who are game-aware and working on improving) resist this one as if it's hypnosis or as if something wrong with it

I agree with what you said about (in other words: fucking her brain before her body) it works consistently.

There's always the next level of course (beyond multi-girl or sister-bang fantasies). As long as it's safe and consensual (sorta) game is on! I don't think gentlemen should refrain from turning respectable ladies to cocksucking droids - it's a win win after all. (or win win win).

[DonnyGately]

I think of it as less 'reprogramming' and more 'breaking down barriers the sub didn't want in the first place.' [or have broken them down recently]

Anal, 3-somes, breath play, public BJs, control over clothes, going out in collars, crops, are all things that girls I've banged really wanted to do down deep. They just couldn't admit it until they met a Dominant male.

As much as they enjoy the sex, many if not most do enjoy the submission more. Some girls honestly need to be stripped & hit before they crawl back with a martini and beg you to use them. It's very different from girls who merely want 'rough sex.'

Most women seem fine with rough sex these days, that doesn't mean they will like it if you slap them to the ground and rest your feet on their back or ass.

[ColSpanker]

Has anyone tried to employ hypnosis or has this been discussed before? I know there is a whole fetish for hypnosis, but it seems to be stage-type hypnosis. To tell you the truth, I have never been able to figure out if hypnosis even works.

[Latinopan]

(11-23-2015 03:16 AM)olive Wrote:  

Good writeup and a valid pop reference.

I agree with what you said about (in other words: fucking her brain before her body) it works consistently.

Good Doms have technique, sex is a reward for the sub, she has to earn the dick, she needs a reason to be a Sub, good Doms will not fuck a sub woman and will not allow her to give him blowjobs if she misbehave, if a woman wanted just to get fucked she can go to a bar or Tinder, Doms can flip the card of sex, unlike vanilla relationship where the vagina is the price the guy has to win, Dom/sub makes the dick a price she has to win.

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There's always the next level of course (beyond multi-girl or sister-bang fantasies). As long as it's safe and consensual (sorta) game is on! I don't think gentlemen should refrain from turning respectable ladies to cocksucking droids - it's a win win after all. (or win win win).

Pres-selection work great in the Dom/sub relationship, for many women who want to be sub, the harder thing is not the pain of the submission itself, is to find the Dom in the first place, because there are many wanna be "master" out there they have to filter all they come across, not mention the serial killers and guys who really want to be submissive themselves, is more easy for a woman who want to be sub to become a second sub to a good Dom that already has been per-screened by another woman than is for her to filter profiles and dates hoping to find a good one, there are cases of sisters, cousins, her best friend (very common), or coworker, if a woman is happy about being a sub she would give hints to somebody, the other woman pick up details, even if there are not related, within the BDSM the women will called themselves sisters.

[olive]

You got the 2nd block pretty much right.
First part of your post show you didn't read properly what I typed.

I said brain fuck. You're preaching to the choir about reward technique bro.

[Latinopan]

[olive]

more efficient

[DonnyGately]

(11-23-2015 09:03 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 03:16 AM)olive Wrote:  

Good writeup and a valid pop reference.

I agree with what you said about (in other words: fucking her brain before her body) it works consistently.

Good Doms have technique, sex is a reward for the sub, she has to earn the dick, she needs a reason to be a Sub, good Doms will not fuck a sub woman and will not allow her to give him blowjobs if she misbehave, if a woman wanted just to get fucked she can go to a bar or Tinder, Doms can flip the card of sex, unlike vanilla relationship where the vagina is the price the guy has to win, Dom/sub makes the dick a price she has to win.

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There's always the next level of course (beyond multi-girl or sister-bang fantasies). As long as it's safe and consensual (sorta) game is on! I don't think gentlemen should refrain from turning respectable ladies to cocksucking droids - it's a win win after all. (or win win win).

Pres-selection work great in the Dom/sub relationship, for many women who want to be sub, the harder thing is not the pain of the submission itself, is to find the Dom in the first place, because there are many wanna be "master" out there they have to filter all they come across, not mention the serial killers and guys who really want to be submissive themselves, is more easy for a woman who want to be sub to become a second sub to a good Dom that already has been per-screened by another woman than is for her to filter profiles and dates hoping to find a good one, there are cases of sisters, cousins, her best friend (very common), or coworker, if a woman is happy about being a sub she would give hints to somebody, the other woman pick up details, even if there are not related, within the BDSM the women will called themselves sisters.

It is easier for them to go to a pre-existing Dom, but it is even easier for them to show & tell a non-Beta boyfriend what they like and what they need in their submission. Most Doms and subs make that journey together anyway, figuring out soft and hard limits, service, punishment, wearing a collar, etc. People evolve into this lifestyle, it's incredibly rare that a switch gets 'flipped' inside them, and if it does it is because they have just experience a Dominant new guy for the first time. It is a lot easier to convince your girl or booty call to let you choke her and spank her and paddle her and hogtie her than someone who doesn't even know you at all.

Doms and subs who are experienced sign a contract with a new sub/Dom with all the terms explicitly laid out, most of it non-sexual in nature.

[DonnyGately]

Rope looks sexier to some people, but it comes with the added hassle of needing safety shears nearby at all times.

[olive]

Rope looks sexy to me too, I like shibaru and so on.
I just don't have the time for it in this century.

a click sound locking a slave in her place with stainless steel strength is just too good. position locking rods as well. It's metal, it's stronk.

The only time rope is more efficient is when a need arise to tie two subs together in any way (daisy chain, back to back, ...) - metal cause discomfort and bruises, especially true if caning & instant jump reaction involved.

On a side note it was stupid expensive when I tried to source a long metal chain in BDSM shops. You'd think it's the holy grail.

[olive]

Rope looks sexy to me too, I like shibaru and so on.
I just don't have the time for it in this century.

a click sound locking a slave in her place with stainless steel strength is just too good. position locking rods as well. It's metal, it's stronk.

The only time rope is more efficient is when a need arise to tie two subs together in any way (daisy chain, back to back, ...) - metal cause discomfort and bruises, especially true if caning & instant jump reaction involved.

On a side note it was stupid expensive when I tried to source a long metal chain in BDSM shops. You'd think it's the holy grail.

[ColSpanker]

Rope can take a lot of time to do properly. No argument there. Subs like it because they have daddy's attention for an hour or more.