[Renberg]

I love this thread. There are positives and negatives of checking out a girl's shit, and a few years back, before I knew anything about the Manosphere and was a beta bitch, this chick and I constantly checked up on each other and it temporarily tore my life apart. But looking back on it, it made me realize a lot of things and I'm thankful because this insane girl is what made me start doing stand-up comedy and ultimately put me on path to swallow the Red Pill. A little bit about what happened.

This girl was against porn. She felt that porn is equally as bad as cheating, especially since she thought she was perfect and beautiful. I, with my lack of frame, denied that I look at porn because I'm with her. She searched my laptop whenever she got the chance. No signs of anything. She went through my texts and emails, knew every single one of my passwords (NOTE: NEVER GIVE OUT A PASSWORD), and reported to me what she's read every day. This girl was a bitch with rich parents and extreme daddy problems so when I got a message from a family member asking me for help or an aunt wishing me a happy birthday, she'd flip a shit -- very immature and bitchy. But, at the same time, her ego was through the roof -- not in an attractive way. After a year of dating and she has been researching me and delving through everything I own, she found out that it's possible to go into somebody's email and check out their GOOGLE HISTORY. I didn't know this existed, but she found a way to view everything I've searched in the past four fucking years. She lost it. I remember one conversation we had:
Her: Do you think Megan Fox is hot?
Me: Uh, I-
Her: Well you looked at a picture of her naked four years ago.

It's a priceless look-back moment. Ironically though, after breaking up with me for looking at porn, we got back together. But things eventually ended when I took a look at her phone and found out she made plans to fuck a guy she claimed was "gay." Best day of my life.

[cocoballs]

^ More like worst day? She had an orbiter that she talked to regularly and excused it by him being gay? And then you found her texting him about hooking up? I'd be very upset, especially considering how much time you invested in the relationship

[Renberg]

(05-08-2014 09:42 PM)cocoballs Wrote:  

^ More like worst day? She had an orbiter that she talked to regularly and excused it by him being gay? And then you found her texting him about hooking up? I'd be very upset, especially considering how much time you invested in the relationship

Best day in the sense that it signified an epiphany moment; the recognition that for a year I had been putting up with an egotistical yet self-hating psychopath (there are many wonderful stories...might start a thread just to discuss our reactions to ridiculous instances with women) -- and I swore to myself to maintain better frame and not let women control me. It took another LTR before I swallowed the red pill, but it was a start.

[cocoballs]

I'm with you on that one. A bitter pill to swallow though. You think you know someone and then that.

Sometimes I feel like the only way to successfully have a healthy LTR without too many trust issues and power struggles is to fuck a lot of girls on the side. Like at least every 2-3 weeks a new one. If you're being faithful for too long you automatically start worrying whether you're being played, so the chance is greater you end up Beta backsliding. If you're constantly getting new notches you trip less about what she's doing, cuz you simply don't care, which makes her love you more.

Yes that is a good idea for a thread, you should start it.

[xxMarco]

Found this thread today. The feels I get from this thread.

A few years ago I was banging this girl in my social circle. She kept pushing for a LTR but I wasn't really sure about her. She always mentioned how I banged her out really good blah blah. One day she falls asleep after we do the deed. Look through her phone and find out she has 2 guys on the side texting her how they had a good time and such. Dirty bitch, kicked her out right there. Never told her the reason just said not feeling you anymore see you some other time.

A couple years ago I was dating a hottie, about 8 looks wise. I was really into her. Again this girl said best sex ever, used to buy me stuff, said she loved me blah blah. One time she came home from girls night out and being drunk. I look through her phone and found out she was at a strip club.... with dudes.... and her thirsty orbiters asking her for naked pictures. and her flirting with other guys. wtf was I thinking dating this slut.

I've had several other girls where I snoop around their phone only to discover they have some type of baseball line up going on. Turned me into the player I am today

[soup]

I maybe looked at a girls phone once or twice.

Got better things to do.

Better girls to do.

[heavy]

Yeah what the hell. While I haven't been in a serious relationship (ie with a hottie) since divorcing and learning game, I can't ever image checking a girls phone besides the inconspicuous glance when she pulls up a message. Even when I do that I feel dirty.

Why? My first response is I don't give a fuck. But allow me to be more introspective and dig a little deeper into my psyche. For me, the need to check the phone reveals the problem. I know I would never check it purely for information, there would always be *feeling* behind it, an insecurity. Whether I find stuff on it that pisses me off or it's clean as the wind driven snow, I've already lost by checking the phone in the first place.

It all comes down to the man determining the nature of the relationship. I guess I think a chic I'm banging should naturally be falling hard for me, so if she's not, and she's wanting other cocks, I'm a total moron for not picking up on that. And if I'm insecure enough with her to check her phone, I have an insecurity to tackle.

Again, it's not an "act" of not checking the phone, it's knowing myself well enough to catch that insecurity WAY before I ever feel the need to check the phone (whether it's a relationship insecurity or deeper, it's still all about me, because I'm the man, and I set the terms).

[Abnormal]

Great thread!

[Icarus]

(05-09-2014 09:32 AM)heavy Wrote:  

For me, the need to check the phone reveals the problem. I know I would never check it purely for information, there would always be *feeling* behind it, an insecurity. Whether I find stuff on it that pisses me off or it's clean as the wind driven snow, I've already lost by checking the phone in the first place.

I completely disagree. Knowledge is power. Abstaining from grabbing power is surrender.

In an ideal world, I would be able to spy on my girlfriend, my family, my friends, my acquaintances, my enemies, my employers, my employees, my business partners, etc. Keyloggers and other spyware on everyone's laptops, desktops, cell phones, whatever. Of course, in an ideal world they would not be able to spy back. Total privacy for me, Big Brother for everyone I know.

It has nothing to do with being insecure. Trust, but verify. One must verify that the people one trusts are worthy of one's trust. The price to pay for mistrusting someone can be truly enormous. And knowing who is trustworthy and who is not would allow one to reward those who are worthy of one's trust and punish those who aren't.

[kaotic]

(05-09-2014 01:12 AM)soup Wrote:  

I maybe looked at a girls phone once or twice.

Got better things to do.

Better girls to do.

^^^This

If you're worrying, and looking through a girls phone, you've got other problems.

You can only do so much, thirsty girls gonna be thirsty. With abundance comes less worries about what a girl is doing.

[General Stalin]

Easy - 100% trust your gut. If a girl is on her phone all the time that is a tell tale sign she is worth nothing but pumping and dumping and she is most certainly involved with other dudes (or at least way to into herself and other people besides you in front of your face). If a girl is acting kinda shady or doing things that make you suspicious or give you that "feeling" in your stomach then just drop them.

I have looked into exes' phones, myspace messages, etc and it always ended up horrible. I mean, it was good that I found out what they were keeping from me and whatnot, but if I had just trusted my gut and dropped them without having to do my heart and dignity the disservice of knowing how shitty they really were then I may be a less bitter person today (whether that's a good or bad thing I have no clue).

Smart phones, social media, and the overall reliance on technology has largely aided in ushering in an age of complete social degeneration. Rampant narcissism, disrespect, social ineptitude, dishonesty, self-absorption, the list goes on. We live in an ugly time.

[Remington]

I remember Law Dogger posting an article about girls who put their phones face down when you are on a date. Ever since then, I have always assumed those girls have something on the side they are working.

Just got into a mini relationship with a girl who I have noticed follows this trend. Of course she promises she would never cheat.

That is why you always need something on the side.

[caracal]

Probably a little different from previous posts, but many moons ago I was hanging out with this land-whale one night and she showed me a video of Two Girls One Cup on her phone. I was starving sexually at the time and going to bang her but just couldn't lower myself to do it after that. Seriously, how is that meant to be foreplay?

[Samseau]

(05-08-2014 10:09 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:41 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:55 AM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  

I'm not gonna lie, deep down inside I want to be in a LTR with a "good, traditional" girl but I know it isn't possible in this day and age.

yes there are man, don't let yourself get jaded.

there really are, especially if you can handle them well. deep down inside the women want the same thing too. they want a man who can handle them, lead them, fuck them well, and they will largely return it to you the way you want.

i'm almost 40. been married and divorced. banged countless women. traveled the world. i feel like i've seen it all. and i'm in a relationship with a woman who is ten years younger than i am, gorgeous, takes care of herself, cooks every day, has her own awesome job, has given me (another) beautiful child, fucks me every single which way I want whenever I want (three years in), and even on occasion lets me fuck other chicks with her blessing.

ok maybe that last part isn't traditional but i like it.

remember, how the women act is largely up to you.

and fellas, if you KNOW that a chick you're banging is actively fucking other dudes, you need to come to the conclusion that you're not giving her what she needs/wants and its your game that is slacking.

when i've been dating four and five girls at a time, they all without fail are monogamous to me while i'm banging other chicks. hell, even my long term girl when she had a two month window to fuck whoever she wanted, didnt even as much as hold hands with another dude.

be The Man, and they will naturally be monogamous to you because why would they want to eat some shit pie when they can just wait a few days and have gourmet?

this is even if you don't ask them to be monogamous to you.

I'm here to eat crow and admit that I found out my LTR was cheating on me. told me she had done it a few times. She even told me that during the period I reference in the above email, when we both had carte blanche to be with other people - she did and lied about it. which is cheating. bitch found a way to cheat even in an open relationship.

gotta say that my red pill education needed a refresher and here it was.

we broke up a couple of months ago and i'm back in the game with an endless supply of young hot bodies to bang. literally more than i can possibly keep satisfied right now, which is ironically, what keeps them coming back for more.

i knew this thread was lingering out here and wanted to make sure i owned up to it.

so there it is.

even reaper got cheated on.

me and Idris Elba.

amazing

Thanks for being honest. But I tried to tell you.

(08-15-2013 10:10 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

In all my years and all my women I have never ever once had a girl cheat on me.

I don't know where you guys are finding these girls. Then again I have no idea what it is like among girls born '90 on onwards.

And before you say I am naive and don't know consider that I've been steady fucking and getting laid since I was 15. I'm 37. I am pretty sure I know what's what.

"Pride cometh before the fall."

One of the hardest red-pill lessons for men is to never assume anything a woman says is true. They lie for no reason, they lie all the time, and all of them lie.

Thus: A Woman's Sexual Experience Means Nothing

Trust but verify is a good one, but the one I prefer is never care in the first place.

[Samseau]

(05-09-2014 10:33 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 09:32 AM)heavy Wrote:  

For me, the need to check the phone reveals the problem. I know I would never check it purely for information, there would always be *feeling* behind it, an insecurity. Whether I find stuff on it that pisses me off or it's clean as the wind driven snow, I've already lost by checking the phone in the first place.

I completely disagree. Knowledge is power. Abstaining from grabbing power is surrender.

In an ideal world, I would be able to spy on my girlfriend, my family, my friends, my acquaintances, my enemies, my employers, my employees, my business partners, etc. Keyloggers and other spyware on everyone's laptops, desktops, cell phones, whatever. Of course, in an ideal world they would not be able to spy back. Total privacy for me, Big Brother for everyone I know.

It has nothing to do with being insecure. Trust, but verify. One must verify that the people one trusts are worthy of one's trust. The price to pay for mistrusting someone can be truly enormous. And knowing who is trustworthy and who is not would allow one to reward those who are worthy of one's trust and punish those who aren't.

Knowledge is power, but you've already compromised yourself if you need power over a woman in Western Society.

Think about this. Imagine if there were no laws that rape men in divorce court, or for child support, or send you to jail for slapping a woman's face.

If you lived in such a society without unfair laws towards men, then you'd never need to check or snoop their phones in the first place. You could do your thing and not give a shit. If she gives you any bullshit you could smack her or leave her. In this society, THE MAN has the power.

But in a world where you need to be playing espionage on her because you're afraid to go in too deep lest you get fucked over by feminist laws you've already lost and the woman has all the power.

Spying on a woman means you don't want to be fooled, and the reason you don't want to be fooled is because you know if you get married or have children with an untrustworthy woman your life is over. Thus the one who is spying is automatically in the weaker position, otherwise you wouldn't need to spy.

Generally when I'm in relationships, I don't bother with spying. I just assume she's fucking other men unless she's sleeping in my bed every night. And I never chase or try to convince a woman to be with me. I just run game and go for the bang and if she likes me she can come back or not.

By playing the game this way, you're invincible. A little too invincible. There is nothing a woman can do to me other than go for the false rape charge, which is hard for them to pull off outside of a college campus.

She cheats? Who cares, I was never intending to be faithful to her in the first place.

She wants monogamy? Drag it out and make her work for it, and then even if you do "agree" in order to keep the legs spread, you just bang as much side-pussy when she's not looking. And if she makes you unhappy don't hesitate to end the relationship.

The only way you can lose power is if you actually put yourself under the auspices of the law, which means getting married, cohabitation, or having children. If you don't, you're invincible and there's no point to spying.

[kaotic]

(05-11-2014 02:12 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 10:33 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 09:32 AM)heavy Wrote:  

For me, the need to check the phone reveals the problem. I know I would never check it purely for information, there would always be *feeling* behind it, an insecurity. Whether I find stuff on it that pisses me off or it's clean as the wind driven snow, I've already lost by checking the phone in the first place.

I completely disagree. Knowledge is power. Abstaining from grabbing power is surrender.

In an ideal world, I would be able to spy on my girlfriend, my family, my friends, my acquaintances, my enemies, my employers, my employees, my business partners, etc. Keyloggers and other spyware on everyone's laptops, desktops, cell phones, whatever. Of course, in an ideal world they would not be able to spy back. Total privacy for me, Big Brother for everyone I know.

It has nothing to do with being insecure. Trust, but verify. One must verify that the people one trusts are worthy of one's trust. The price to pay for mistrusting someone can be truly enormous. And knowing who is trustworthy and who is not would allow one to reward those who are worthy of one's trust and punish those who aren't.

Knowledge is power, but you've already compromised yourself if you need power over a woman in Western Society.

Think about this. Imagine if there were no laws that rape men in divorce court, or for child support, or send you to jail for slapping a woman's face.

If you lived in such a society without unfair laws towards men, then you'd never need to check or snoop their phones in the first place. You could do your thing and not give a shit. If she gives you any bullshit you could smack her or leave her. In this society, THE MAN has the power.

But in a world where you need to be playing espionage on her because you're afraid to go in too deep lest you get fucked over by feminist laws you've already lost and the woman has all the power.

Spying on a woman means you don't want to be fooled, and the reason you don't want to be fooled is because you know if you get married or have children with an untrustworthy woman your life is over. Thus the one who is spying is automatically in the weaker position, otherwise you wouldn't need to spy.

Generally when I'm in relationships, I don't bother with spying. I just assume she's fucking other men unless she's sleeping in my bed every night. And I never chase or try to convince a woman to be with me. I just run game and go for the bang and if she likes me she can come back or not.

By playing the game this way, you're invincible. A little too invincible. There is nothing a woman can do to me other than go for the false rape charge, which is hard for them to pull off outside of a college campus.

She cheats? Who cares, I was never intending to be faithful to her in the first place.

She wants monogamy? Drag it out and make her work for it, and then even if you do "agree" in order to keep the legs spread, you just bang as much side-pussy when she's not looking. And if she makes you unhappy don't hesitate to end the relationship.

The only way you can lose power is if you actually put yourself under the auspices of the law, which means getting married, cohabitation, or having children. If you don't, you're invincible and there's no point to spying.

You hit the nail on the HEAD with this comment Samseau. It's true and I completely agree and see the world and women this way now. (It's a bitter pill to swallow but it opens your eyes to how women and society really works)

[Icarus]

(05-11-2014 02:12 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The only way you can lose power is if you actually put yourself under the auspices of the law, which means getting married, cohabitation, or having children. If you don't, you're invincible and there's no point to spying.

Your attitude is extremely conservative (read: risk-averse). You assume the worst from every woman, and refuse to put yourself at risk. I have enough life experience to understand your attitude, of course. However, one day I would like to have children, which means that I will have to put myself at risk. So, if I am going into battle, I need all the intel on the battlefield I can get.

Yes, the laws are against men. But are we supposed to just disengage from life (procreation is part of life) and embrace self-extinction? Are we supposed to let the beta white knights and the repulsive manginas inherit the Earth? Personally, I want to be an old-fashioned patriarch. It's still possible. Maybe not in the U.S., though.

I believe there is always a need for spying. And not just on girlfriends. I advocate spying on everyone. Of course, I would never mention this to someone in real life, since I know that advocating violating everyone's privacy is extremely anti-social behavior. Yet, the price of tranquility is eternal vigilance. It's how people behave when they think that no one is watching that truly matters.

Cheating is not the only fireable offense. If the keylogger reveals that my girlfriend is discussing details of our sex life with her friends, she's fired. If she's criticizing me or ridiculing me in conversations with her friends, she's fired. If she's sexting other men, she's fired. Early on in the relationship I tell her what my redlines are, and warn her that if she behaves in a way that brings shame to our hypothetical future children, then she's fired. I recently had to fire my girlfriend because she crossed the redline. It was painful, because I had accidentally "caught feelings" for her, but it had to be done.

Friends and business partners should not be spared. One must know what people say behind one's back to know who is worthy of one's trust. If one chooses to be over-conservative and refuses to trust anyone, one will be losing a lot of the best things in life. Trusting and confirming that the trusted person is worthy of that trust is quite rewarding.

However, I still see everyone in my life as a potential traitor. Loyalty depends on incentives. If the incentives change and it pays off to betray me, then people will betray me. Everyone has a price, and sometimes the price is really low, depressingly low. The way to protect myself is not only to spy on everyone preemptively, but also to increase the cost of betrayal. This is easy. If I collect enough information, e.g., gossips, secrets, sensitive emails, photos and videos that would embarrass the other person if disclosed, then I increase the cost of betrayal.

I often compile documents on people in my life (and update them regularly), so that every sensitive piece of information they share orally or via email / IM is archived in electronic format for future use in case I need to retaliate. This is why I never delete emails, photos, or videos from ex girlfriends. Why voluntarily destroy my ability to retaliate to attacks against my reputation and status?

[kaotic]

(05-11-2014 04:04 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

[quote='Samseau' pid='723578' dateline='1399792336']

I often compile documents on people in my life (and update them regularly), so that every sensitive piece of information they share orally or via email / IM is archived in electronic format for future use in case I need to retaliate. This is why I never delete emails, photos, or videos from ex girlfriends. Why voluntarily destroy my ability to retaliate to attacks against my reputation and status?

I can see your point but don't you think that's a lifetime of a paranoia ?

[TheWastelander]

(05-11-2014 04:04 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

(05-11-2014 02:12 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The only way you can lose power is if you actually put yourself under the auspices of the law, which means getting married, cohabitation, or having children. If you don't, you're invincible and there's no point to spying.

Your attitude is extremely conservative (read: risk-averse). You assume the worst from every woman, and refuse to put yourself at risk. I have enough life experience to understand your attitude, of course. However, one day I would like to have children, which means that I will have to put myself at risk. So, if I am going into battle, I need all the intel on the battlefield I can get.

Yes, the laws are against men. But are we supposed to just disengage from life (procreation is part of life) and embrace self-extinction? Are we supposed to let the beta white knights and the repulsive manginas inherit the Earth? Personally, I want to be an old-fashioned patriarch. It's still possible. Maybe not in the U.S., though.

I believe there is always a need for spying. And not just on girlfriends. I advocate spying on everyone. Of course, I would never mention this to someone in real life, since I know that advocating violating everyone's privacy is extremely anti-social behavior. Yet, the price of tranquility is eternal vigilance. It's how people behave when they think that no one is watching that truly matters.

Cheating is not the only fireable offense. If the keylogger reveals that my girlfriend is discussing details of our sex life with her friends, she's fired. If she's criticizing me or ridiculing me in conversations with her friends, she's fired. If she's sexting other men, she's fired. Early on in the relationship I tell her what my redlines are, and warn her that if she behaves in a way that brings shame to our hypothetical future children, then she's fired. I recently had to fire my girlfriend because she crossed the redline. It was painful, because I had accidentally "caught feelings" for her, but it had to be done.

Friends and business partners should not be spared. One must know what people say behind one's back to know who is worthy of one's trust. If one chooses to be over-conservative and refuses to trust anyone, one will be losing a lot of the best things in life. Trusting and confirming that the trusted person is worthy of that trust is quite rewarding.

However, I still see everyone in my life as a potential traitor. Loyalty depends on incentives. If the incentives change and it pays off to betray me, then people will betray me. Everyone has a price, and sometimes the price is really low, depressingly low. The way to protect myself is not only to spy on everyone preemptively, but also to increase the cost of betrayal. This is easy. If I collect enough information, e.g., gossips, secrets, sensitive emails, photos and videos that would embarrass the other person if disclosed, then I increase the cost of betrayal.

I often compile documents on people in my life (and update them regularly), so that every sensitive piece of information they share orally or via email / IM is archived in electronic format for future use in case I need to retaliate. This is why I never delete emails, photos, or videos from ex girlfriends. Why voluntarily destroy my ability to retaliate to attacks against my reputation and status?

The problem is you can drive yourself crazy with this sort of thing.

High standards + going Stasi on people in your social circle = lots of unnecessary stress, in my experience.

[General Mayhem]

There's more power in not giving a fuck than there is in being able to spy on a bitch's phone.

[Icarus]

(05-11-2014 04:24 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(05-11-2014 04:04 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

I often compile documents on people in my life (and update them regularly), so that every sensitive piece of information they share orally or via email / IM is archived in electronic format for future use in case I need to retaliate. This is why I never delete emails, photos, or videos from ex girlfriends. Why voluntarily destroy my ability to retaliate to attacks against my reputation and status?

I can see your point but don't you think that's a lifetime of a paranoia ?

I don't think so. Because intelligence-gathering and documentation is not useful only to retaliate and punish bad behavior, but also to reward good behavior.

I compile a document on every girlfriend of mine. In this document, I write down:

• details about her life and personality, stories from her childhood, etc.
• information about her friends, acquaintances, and employers.
• funny or memorable things she wrote or said about something or someone.
• potentially embarrassing information about her that can be used for retaliatory purposes.
  

Only the last point reveals paranoia. The previous three are positive, I believe. I can read the document every now and then, choose a piece of information or two and then introduce them in a future conversation with my girlfriend. If she mentions her trip to Italy in, say, 2006, I can reply the following

"Wasn't that the one when you got drunk at that ski resort in the Italian Alps with your friends X, Y, and Z?" (information that I had extracted from re-reading my document on her the night before)

and then she goes

"Ohhhh, you remember!!!"

This has several advantages. First of all, it shows that I listen to what she says, which enhances emotional bonding and builds trust. It also informs her that I have a good memory, and that she better be careful about what she says, because I can subtract two different versions of the same story she told several months apart, identify lies, and move her further away from the "marry and procreate with" box and closer to the "pump and dump" box.

I sometimes pretend to have forgotten some details about stories she told me, so that she can re-tell them, and I can check whether the new version of the story is consistent with the previous version. This is to assess her level of trustworthiness. Still, all women lie. I want to know how comfortably she lies, however.

Compiling documents on potential business partners is useful for other reasons. Sometimes people mention things in passing that turn out to be extremely valuable and may lead to interesting business ventures. Knowing that an old friend's brother has worked on real estate development with a known architect may be useful at some point in my future. Better write it down, it only takes a few seconds.

Retaliation is not the only reason to engage in documenting details about other people's personal and professional lives. Information is always valuable. The more, the better.

[Valhalla]

Can't you just remember these details in your head Icarus?

This document creating thing is intriguing, I didn't know this many people on here did that.

[Icarus]

(05-11-2014 05:12 PM)Valhalla Wrote:  

Can't you just remember these details in your head Icarus?

And I do. I have an excellent memory, fortunately or unfortunately.

The advantage of compiling a file on someone is that electronic files are searchable. So, sometimes I am trying to remember some detail about someone, and I don't remember the whole story. The solution is to open the file and search for relevant words until I find the paragraph in which I documented the piece of information I am trying to remember.

I am extremely paranoid about losing such files, however. Air-gapped computers whenever possible. External disk drives with backups can be kept in a safe deposit box at a bank. I don't trust The Cloud. If Google is hacked one day, I don't want my future wife to realize I have been documenting her since the day we met. I take the trust people deposit on me quite seriously. I am often disappointed by the fact that other people's standards are often much lower, but I prefer to take some small risks now and then.

(05-11-2014 05:12 PM)Valhalla Wrote:  

This document creating thing is intriguing, I didn't know this many people on here did that.

Do you also do it, then?

[Samseau]

(05-11-2014 04:04 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

(05-11-2014 02:12 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The only way you can lose power is if you actually put yourself under the auspices of the law, which means getting married, cohabitation, or having children. If you don't, you're invincible and there's no point to spying.

Your attitude is extremely conservative (read: risk-averse). You assume the worst from every woman, and refuse to put yourself at risk. I have enough life experience to understand your attitude, of course. However, one day I would like to have children, which means that I will have to put myself at risk. So, if I am going into battle, I need all the intel on the battlefield I can get.

Yes, the laws are against men. But are we supposed to just disengage from life (procreation is part of life) and embrace self-extinction? Are we supposed to let the beta white knights and the repulsive manginas inherit the Earth? Personally, I want to be an old-fashioned patriarch. It's still possible. Maybe not in the U.S., though.

I believe there is always a need for spying. And not just on girlfriends. I advocate spying on everyone. Of course, I would never mention this to someone in real life, since I know that advocating violating everyone's privacy is extremely anti-social behavior. Yet, the price of tranquility is eternal vigilance. It's how people behave when they think that no one is watching that truly matters.

Cheating is not the only fireable offense. If the keylogger reveals that my girlfriend is discussing details of our sex life with her friends, she's fired. If she's criticizing me or ridiculing me in conversations with her friends, she's fired. If she's sexting other men, she's fired. Early on in the relationship I tell her what my redlines are, and warn her that if she behaves in a way that brings shame to our hypothetical future children, then she's fired. I recently had to fire my girlfriend because she crossed the redline. It was painful, because I had accidentally "caught feelings" for her, but it had to be done.

Friends and business partners should not be spared. One must know what people say behind one's back to know who is worthy of one's trust. If one chooses to be over-conservative and refuses to trust anyone, one will be losing a lot of the best things in life. Trusting and confirming that the trusted person is worthy of that trust is quite rewarding.

However, I still see everyone in my life as a potential traitor. Loyalty depends on incentives. If the incentives change and it pays off to betray me, then people will betray me. Everyone has a price, and sometimes the price is really low, depressingly low. The way to protect myself is not only to spy on everyone preemptively, but also to increase the cost of betrayal. This is easy. If I collect enough information, e.g., gossips, secrets, sensitive emails, photos and videos that would embarrass the other person if disclosed, then I increase the cost of betrayal.

I often compile documents on people in my life (and update them regularly), so that every sensitive piece of information they share orally or via email / IM is archived in electronic format for future use in case I need to retaliate. This is why I never delete emails, photos, or videos from ex girlfriends. Why voluntarily destroy my ability to retaliate to attacks against my reputation and status?

Yes, for finding a wife then the precautions are necessary. But for regular bangs? Waaaaay more effort than it's worth.

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I'd be curious if anyone has techniques for going through the phone, fb, emails, etc.

Every since reading "The Key Logger" I've been morbidly curious.