[j r]

There is likely no one answer to this question, because there's no one type of woman. Most girls want to be sleeping with only one dude. They pick the best available option and try to get that guy to commit. If that guy won't commit, they'll stick it out for a bit of time. Eventually, they get tired of waiting and start to explore other options. Sometimes she waits a few weeks and sometimes a few months, but sooner or later other dudes come into the picture.

That's most girls. There's plenty of girls who have no problem banging multiple dudes. Usually you can tell who those girls are (some of them will just flat out tell you), but some of them are very good at pretending not to be those girls.

If you're banging lots of women, chances are you're interacting with both kinds.

[CJ_W]

(08-14-2013 07:13 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

^ Maybe you're right, Samseau.

Then again, I got a good feeling for the problems guys are having. I see what guys are saying about the economy sucking, about higher education being a scam, about not being able to have good guy friends, about having check splitting drama, about 99% of women being horrible and untrustworthy.

I don't seem to have those same problems.

Keep in mind that the view from one side of the mountain is always going to be different than from the other side.

I have to agree with Samseau. I don't know if you have done this or not, but I have had a very good female friend (who I didn't find attractive) BUT, since I have demonstrated many times that I know how women act and have gotten women in her view etc etc, and knows that I know women and am ABSOLUTELY COOL with it (I really do see this stuff as a matter of fact and not a big deal since it's simple biology) she tells me ALL KINDS of shit about her girlfriends, the men that hit on them, the dudes that "didn't count" etc etc etc. She does have her hamster moments, but I got a lot of this stuff confirmed by her after knowing her for a couple of years.

That and experiencing some of the "Oscar Worthy performances" Sam mentioned hahah. And of course there are some women that won't be with other guys, . . .for a time. . .

and not the whole time you're up there either.

Since I've been That guy that these girls have been with. . .and I know you've been that guy as well.

[LeBeau]

(08-14-2013 05:18 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 05:12 PM)horn Wrote:  

Yeah, if a girl is still going out on dates, monogamy means, 'Oh, I was drunk so it doesn't count...I was out of town on vacation....damn, we were so high, what happened? Oral doesn't count anyway.'

[edited to add - I don't date women that do any drugs of any kind, and I don't date women that get drunk either. two drinks max on occasion and thats the most i will tolerate]

I'm not sure you guys understand what it is like to completely own a woman's soul.

When you can take a woman who has never done any bondage before in her life and get her to trust you to the point of tying her up helpless before you...100% trusting you to not really hurt her..and giving herself up 100% to my sexual pleasure and whims..and even pain...you reach a certain point of honesty that can't be reached by just dating some chick on the regular.

If you want to believe I am naive, thats fine. I have nothing really to prove here, I just wanted to throw out the perspective that a) if you know a girl and she's banging other dudes - your game is off and b) it is entirely possible to be a polyginist

Any chance we could see a data sheet on how you lead up to this, any particular techniques you like to use in terms of BDSM?

I understand the importance of dominance, and I've done the basics before with multiple girls, but nothing particularly planned out or methodical

[Samseau]

(08-14-2013 07:13 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

about 99% of women being horrible and untrustworthy.

I don't seem to have those same problems.

You've been divorced and complained about the low likelihood of experiencing the joys of fatherhood. Are you sure about the not having any woman problems? I'm pretty sure we're all on the same boat on this one.

Unless you mean you would marry and have kids if it weren't for the draconian divorce and child support laws. I agree with that. I still find nice submissive American women that are keepers. I've said it a million times, I'll say it again - if it weren't for the shitty family laws in America, this would easily be a contender for the best country in the world to live and play.

[RawGod]

(08-14-2013 10:24 PM)j r Wrote:  

There is likely no one answer to this question, because there's no one type of woman.

Agree completely. The thing with sexual behavior (both men and women) is that a wide spectrum is "normal". What I mean is, you could see three similar-looking women at the bar, one of them could be a virgin, the other a raging slut or prostitute, and one of them a serial monogamist. While the latter may be most common (middle of the bell curve) none of those are unusual.

So with regards to the likelihood of girls in your rotation seeing other guys, I would say it's not surprising either way.

[Vicious]

For all the talk about being "alpha" I'm surprised so many people are concerned what a girl (that's not your girlfriend) is throwing her poon at.

[MikeCF]

(08-15-2013 12:10 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

You've been divorced and complained about the low likelihood of experiencing the joys of fatherhood. Are you sure about the not having any woman problems? I'm pretty sure we're all on the same boat on this one.

Unless you mean you would marry and have kids if it weren't for the draconian divorce and child support laws. I agree with that. I still find nice submissive American women that are keepers. I've said it a million times, I'll say it again - if it weren't for the shitty family laws in America, this would easily be a contender for the best country in the world to live and play.

Nope. I didn't lose a thing in my divorce, and the divorce was my choice.

Fear of losing kids is not a deterrent at all. I have the means to take my kids and leave for another country without any problems.

[MikeCF]

(08-14-2013 10:56 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

I have to agree with Samseau. I don't know if you have done this or not, but I have had a very good female friend (who I didn't find attractive) BUT, since I have demonstrated many times that I know how women act and have gotten women in her view etc etc, and knows that I know women and am ABSOLUTELY COOL with it (I really do see this stuff as a matter of fact and not a big deal since it's simple biology) she tells me ALL KINDS of shit about her girlfriends, the men that hit on them, the dudes that "didn't count" etc etc etc. She does have her hamster moments, but I got a lot of this stuff confirmed by her after knowing her for a couple of years.

That and experiencing some of the "Oscar Worthy performances" Sam mentioned hahah. And of course there are some women that won't be with other guys, . . .for a time. . .

and not the whole time you're up there either.

Since I've been That guy that these girls have been with. . .and I know you've been that guy as well.

You are how old? I am guessing 22 or 23. I'm close, right?

When you're a bit older and have all of those accomplishments that give you status in society and have game, you may not find what has been posted is not so hard to believe.

[MikeCF]

(08-15-2013 12:39 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

For all the talk about being "alpha" I'm surprised so many people are concerned what a girl (that's not your girlfriend) is throwing her poon at.

Who is concerned? Who is saying, "I cried myself to sleep after finding these texts" or losing sleep over it or being worried about it?

Guys think it's amusing and somewhat eye-opening to realize exactly how many dudes women are banging.

I think it's funny because there's a thread about "lying to women" and sometimes guys ask, "Is game moral?"

It just goes to show that men are far more fair-minded and decent than women are. If girls had a board like this, they wouldn't be asking about the morality of using guys for free dinners, or lying to guys about being exclusive.

A lot of guys new to the game feel guilty about this stuff.

Most men even on this forum are far too nice and need to treat dating as a completely amoral area of life. There is no morality to this stuff because the other side of the relationship does not abide by any moral rules.

Threads like this should be a reminder that a man's only moral rule when dealing with women is, "Do as thou wilt."

[CJ_W]

(08-15-2013 01:28 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 10:56 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

I have to agree with Samseau. I don't know if you have done this or not, but I have had a very good female friend (who I didn't find attractive) BUT, since I have demonstrated many times that I know how women act and have gotten women in her view etc etc, and knows that I know women and am ABSOLUTELY COOL with it (I really do see this stuff as a matter of fact and not a big deal since it's simple biology) she tells me ALL KINDS of shit about her girlfriends, the men that hit on them, the dudes that "didn't count" etc etc etc. She does have her hamster moments, but I got a lot of this stuff confirmed by her after knowing her for a couple of years.

That and experiencing some of the "Oscar Worthy performances" Sam mentioned hahah. And of course there are some women that won't be with other guys, . . .for a time. . .

and not the whole time you're up there either.

Since I've been That guy that these girls have been with. . .and I know you've been that guy as well.

You are how old? I am guessing 22 or 23. I'm close, right?

When you're a bit older and have all of those accomplishments that give you status in society [u]and have game, you may not find what has been posted is not so hard to believe.[/u]

[Ingocnito]

(08-14-2013 06:18 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

What I tend to find in girl's phones/facebooks is different to most on here, maybe because I'm not in the US. Generally they are not fucking other guys concurrently, but more leading several guys on and misrepresenting themselves as completely single good girls. What is equally scandalous though, is that when I've looked at the timing, messages were often sent at times that I would have least expected them to be bothered with other guys such as while out on what seemed like pleasant evenings with me, after having been fucked ridiculous etc.

Also, without exception, every girl who's phone I've looked in is still in regular contact with their exes, even when they go out of their way to bring exes up and claim they aren't in contact.

Agreed on both points, especially the first bolded part. I've completely rocked the beJesus out of a girl before only to find out she's sexting a guy in the bathroom while she's cleaning up. There is no shame.

[Samseau]

(08-15-2013 01:27 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Fear of losing kids is not a deterrent at all. I have the means to take my kids and leave for another country without any problems.

You mean you'd live on the lamb?

[Vicious]

MikeCF,

Huh yeah now that I think on it that might have been me 15 years ago. Guess I got jaded.

[Kieran]

(08-15-2013 12:39 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

For all the talk about being "alpha" I'm surprised so many people are concerned what a girl (that's not your girlfriend) is throwing her poon at.

It's just research / entertainment.

[Every10GivesMeA10]

Yeah just entertainment and to stay realistic. I would never want to get emotionally invested with this girl. She came over last night again but she put up a great act again. I couldn't fuck her though.

[Hellraiser]

(08-14-2013 10:24 PM)j r Wrote:  

There is likely no one answer to this question, because there's no one type of woman. Most girls want to be sleeping with only one dude. They pick the best available option and try to get that guy to commit. If that guy won't commit, they'll stick it out for a bit of time. Eventually, they get tired of waiting and start to explore other options. Sometimes she waits a few weeks and sometimes a few months, but sooner or later other dudes come into the picture.

Exactly. Unless this type of girl gets you to commit, it is only a matter of time (the length of this time depends, but it will happen at some point) before they start exploring other options...which means that they will easily rationalize banging more than one dudes at the same time, at least until they get either of them to commit (and perhaps afterwards).

I have found messages on phones, basically saying to their friends "this other guy I met yesterday seems to be good relationship material, lets find out", immediately preceded by a message describing how good sex they had with me...

Of course, there are plenty of other girls that will bang whoever makes them horny, but it is a delusion to assume that the rest will not be Oscar-worthy actresses as well, as Samseau put it.

[Vicious]

Wasn't refering to the OP, but the notion that if a girl isn't exclusive doing you there's something wrong with your game.

[Valhalla]

(08-15-2013 12:39 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

For all the talk about being "alpha" I'm surprised so many people are concerned what a girl (that's not your girlfriend) is throwing her poon at.

If we're going by that; alphas in the animal kingdom maintain a harem of monogamous females and will attack and fight any male that tries to mate with their women, see silverback gorillas. Although human sexual group dynamics/behavior is likely incomparable to most animals.

When it comes to humans, kings, which we can consider "alpha" had big monogamous harems and concubines. I don't think it's unreasonable to care, it's probably an in innate trait.

[Kieran]

(08-15-2013 05:30 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

Wasn't refering to the OP, but the notion that if a girl isn't exclusive doing you there's something wrong with your game.

I see this view that everything is within our control, and that if we just have tight game, go to the gym etc then women won't fuck out on us. I agree to some extent, and I think it's good to have an internal locus of control in general. But this view really fails to take into account the myriad of factors that also play a part (for example she might be out of town, you might be out of town, her friends might encourage her, you may have just had an argument, she may just be a slut etc).

I see a lot of men around this sphere beating themselves up and blaming themselves for their women cheating (they weren't alpha enough etc), but often, it just comes down to bad selection / unfavourable circumstances. Get good game and learn how to pick them, but ultimately, there's plenty of girls out there that will fuck out on you no matter what.

[reaper23]

In all my years and all my women I have never ever once had a girl cheat on me.

I don't know where you guys are finding these girls. Then again I have no idea what it is like among girls born '90 on onwards.

And before you say I am naive and don't know consider that I've been steady fucking and getting laid since I was 15. I'm 37. I am pretty sure I know what's what.

[Vicious]

(08-15-2013 09:58 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 05:30 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

Wasn't refering to the OP, but the notion that if a girl isn't exclusive doing you there's something wrong with your game.

I see this view that everything is within our control, and that if we just have tight game, go to the gym etc then women won't fuck out on us. I agree to some extent, and I think it's good to have an internal locus of control in general. But this view really fails to take into account the myriad of factors that also play a part (for example she might be out of town, you might be out of town, her friends might encourage her, you may have just had an argument, she may just be a slut etc).

Kieran put together what I meant in a very good way. There are FAR too many parameters involved in human interaction to credit your success/failure only to whether you and only you acted in a certain way.

(08-15-2013 06:57 AM)Valhalla Wrote:  

If we're going by that; alphas in the animal kingdom maintain a harem of monogamous females and will attack and fight any male that tries to mate with their women, see silverback gorillas. Although human sexual group dynamics/behavior is likely incomparable to most animals.

When it comes to humans, kings, which we can consider "alpha" had big monogamous harems and concubines. I don't think it's unreasonable to care, it's probably an in innate trait.

And here's where people are doing themselves a disservice. They are borrowing a term from a very simplistic community (animal tribes/packs) that relies on its structure to survive. Humans as a race do not rely on this structure and human society is infinitely more complex than animals. So yes, we're incomparable to animals in this sense but far too many men are swayed by the simplicity in the concept of the 'Alpha male'.

Kings where held in power because of hereditary rule. There are tons of examples in history of kings that were weak and incompetent.

(08-15-2013 10:10 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

In all my years and all my women I have never ever once had a girl cheat on me.

Girl as in girlfriend? Or girl as in - from the moment you've stuck your dick in her until the moment you've dropped contact she never looked the way of another man?
The former I have no problem following you on, the latter - how would you know?

[Hellraiser]

(08-15-2013 10:10 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

In all my years and all my women I have never ever once had a girl cheat on me.

I don't know where you guys are finding these girls. Then again I have no idea what it is like among girls born '90 on onwards.

And before you say I am naive and don't know consider that I've been steady fucking and getting laid since I was 15. I'm 37. I am pretty sure I know what's what.

With all due respect and without any intention to criticize, how can you be so absolutely sure and make this statement? I mean, unless you had full control of your girls' lives and of their phones, etc.

I speak from personal experience, since I had also seen a lot of similar signs of devotion and monogamy in girls I had on rotation (not as many as yours, but still)...before finding some shit in their phones (of course, I am not checking phones all the time). This was a real red pill to swallow, which I promptly did, of course!

Again, we are not talking about sluts here, but seemingly serious girls.

[reaper23]

Of course there is no way to know for sure. But listen, I get paid a lot of money for my judgment and my ability to read people. And I've been working chicks for a long time.

My statistical sample size is also large enough that if some one did cheat on me I would have likely caught it or they would have confessed or whatever.

There have never even been signs or hints or anything questionable.

I think this narrative that all chicks are cheating whores is helpful for writers and those selling products. I don't believe it to be true.

I do think women are children though.

[reaper23]

Vicious: I mean cheat by have sex with someone else when they know they shouldn't

[Jaylow]

(08-15-2013 10:10 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

In all my years and all my women I have never ever once had a girl cheat on me.

This chest beating is getting pretty ridiculous here dude.