[reaper23]

i've recently had an experience like this. my gf and i decided to open up our relationship. we had always talked about it, and when she met me i was banging many girls. she actually brought it up most recently and said lets do it.

well over six weeks she had one date with one guy she knew she wouldnt even kiss.

and i banged sluts and had a whole long line of them waiting to get banged.

and eventually, gf decided she wasn't down. i screwed up, i went too fast, too hard. right back to gaming and fucking like i never stopped. it was glorious. i was living the dream.

point is, she is a hot chick, 8.5. she coulda banged a million dudes. but she didnt. didnt even try. had no interest. when the rubber hit the road she was like, nah fuck it.

and i screwed it up by banging too much too fast. i should have realized it was a marathon not a sprint. but you unleash animal and it goes crazy.

when she would talk about potential dates or potential guys to bang, it would make my stomach turn. but i wanted more than anything to _get over it_

i want to be that enlightened guy, beyond jealous, open to new experiences wherever they come...free.

but man that was agonizing just thinking about her even doing it. much less had she really.

point is, she DIDNT and had the chances.

we will give it a whirl again later and i'll be much more methodical about it and SLOWER.

did it make me a cuckhold that i was willing to let her get banging by someone else? i dont think so.

[Beyond Borders]

(07-28-2013 07:39 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

i've recently had an experience like this. my gf and i decided to open up our relationship. we had always talked about it, and when she met me i was banging many girls. she actually brought it up most recently and said lets do it.

well over six weeks she had one date with one guy she knew she wouldnt even kiss.

and i banged sluts and had a whole long line of them waiting to get banged.

and eventually, gf decided she wasn't down. i screwed up, i went too fast, too hard. right back to gaming and fucking like i never stopped. it was glorious. i was living the dream.

point is, she is a hot chick, 8.5. she coulda banged a million dudes. but she didnt. didnt even try. had no interest. when the rubber hit the road she was like, nah fuck it.

and i screwed it up by banging too much too fast. i should have realized it was a marathon not a sprint. but you unleash animal and it goes crazy.

when she would talk about potential dates or potential guys to bang, it would make my stomach turn. but i wanted more than anything to _get over it_

i want to be that enlightened guy, beyond jealous, open to new experiences wherever they come...free.

but man that was agonizing just thinking about her even doing it. much less had she really.

point is, she DIDNT and had the chances.

we will give it a whirl again later and i'll be much more methodical about it and SLOWER.

did it make me a cuckhold that i was willing to let her get banging by someone else? i dont think so.

Could definitely be a killer situation to be in if you can manage your emotions. I personally don't know if I could do it once a woman has gone beyond a casual for me. I just don't like the idea of sharing women, I guess. Now if I can work it so only I can stray, now you're talking. It also makes sense because I tend to be drawn to more innocent, respectable women. So if a girl is suddenly out having a lot of casual sex it sort of ruins the illusion that drew me to them in the first place.

Hypocritical, yes, but it is what it is.

One way to do it that I have had success with is to just always keep them at the casual level - that way you never even have to discuss whether an open relationship is viable and you can make sure not to let yourself ever get in that deep. I find it isn't sustainable long-term though because women always get emotionally involved sooner or later.

[reaper23]

^BB yeah we are way beyond casual, live together have a kid etc.

what was interesting to me was that with a green light to do whatever, she chose to do nothing. she is ten year's younger than me and has always said that was her ideal man. which is probably pretty accurate as hypergamy kept her from banging any of the 1000 dudes that she could at any given moment.

[Divorco]

(07-25-2013 10:13 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

he has the mannerisms, way of speaking, and face that just rub me the wrong way.

(07-26-2013 03:46 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

He might be small but he's in shape-

http://instagram.com/p/bVXPXKy4AW/

He looks a lot better now.

Put things in perspective. It might have taken him years of self-improvement to reach this stage. He might have lost weight, struggled to put on any muscle, cleared up skin, and stopped wearing nerd clothes.

Some guys are never going to be Fisto. IIRC, Tyler was one of Mystery's original roommates at Project Hollywood. Mystery was teaching mechanical routines to Aspies: Use a canned opener, do a magic trick, do a neg, etc. Tyler emphasized inner game and confident state of mind. Unfortunately he went too far and fostered social misfits. But Tyler shows that a confident weirdo actually has a chance, whereas an insecure, uptight, pussy doesn't, even if he dresses well and memorizes routines.

[Beyond Borders]

(07-28-2013 08:05 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

what was interesting to me was that with a green light to do whatever, she chose to do nothing.

Yeah, regardless of all the "down with women" guys on this forum, I tend to think quite a few women would do the same as long as they were into their man.

That said, and just playing devil's advocate here, are you 100% positive she didn't do anything? As an example, my sister is femenazi who preaches on and on about how women should be able to have unfettered sex (even when no one is arguing with her tsk tsk) and yet she still feels a need to overemphasize after every date that she didn't have sex. Even when she clearly did. And even though you don't care and aren't asking.

Given that, I could also see a woman lying about this, open relationship or not, with her old man to preserve her integrity. Just a thought - certainly not saying it's the case for your relationship; as I mentioned, I feel like a lot of women wouldn't take the opportunity even if given the freedom.

[Kieran]

I don't like that part of the video either, but the hate for RSD around here and on other blogs (Krauser for example) is shitty. Tyler is working with what he's got, putting himself out there, and offering a lot of value in his videos and products (blueprint decoded is excellent). Also, the infield videos clearly aren't fake.

[Duke Castile]

(07-28-2013 02:56 PM)Kieran Wrote:  

I don't like that part of the video either, but the hate for RSD around here and on other blogs (Krauser for example) is shitty. Tyler is working with what he's got, putting himself out there, and offering a lot of value in his videos and products (blueprint decoded is excellent). Also, the infield videos clearly aren't fake.

Yeah you're right.

[reino341]

(07-28-2013 02:56 PM)Kieran Wrote:  

I don't like that part of the video either, but the hate for RSD around here and on other blogs (Krauser for example) is shitty. Tyler is working with what he's got, putting himself out there, and offering a lot of value in his videos and products (blueprint decoded is excellent). Also, the infield videos clearly aren't fake.

To add to this, Tyler has expressed multiple times that he doesn't give a fuck if people pirate the DVD products, in fact he endorses it.

Quote:

Back in the day CAMERAS were too expensive and so the only way we could afford to RECORD videos was to do DVDs and sell them.

These days cameras are CHEAP and we can give away everything for free.

The only only only thing that irritates me a bit is when guys are like "Give away HOT SEAT" for free. It's like FUCK OFF we give you every damned thing for free, I'd love to give away Hot Seat and someday in another 5 years when I can think of a way to keep RSD successful without Hot Seat I plan on doing so -- like maybe when I have some new program of some sort. But for now until I see that lane open up for us there's gotta be some sort of product in there somewhere, and HS is much better as a LIVE event regardless cause we can make it interactive.

So as of now, yeah I want people to spend a bit of money, but do it on Hot Seat which is by far our best program anyway. Everything else just download it I don't care at all -- go watch Foundations and Blueprint, they're GOOD!

Tyler

[Aliblahba]

(07-28-2013 02:56 PM)Kieran Wrote:  

I don't like that part of the video either, but the hate for RSD around here and on other blogs (Krauser for example) is shitty. Tyler is working with what he's got, putting himself out there, and offering a lot of value in his videos and products (blueprint decoded is excellent). Also, the infield videos clearly aren't fake.

It reminds me that I have so much to be thankful for.

[Que enspastic]

This is coming from a fairly reliable source close to the ground:

Quote:

Counts I know about from rsd instructors personally - Jeffy hit 200 this Feb. Alex claims 250. Derek claims 285. Todd was low 100s last summer. Owen claims 150 in Oct but heard from reliable sources he's really only at like 50. Manwhore 180 in Feb. Brad 130 last Oct. Julien 150-200. Lead US instructor for Sasha Daygame is 200. Oh and JMULV 199

[reaper23]

(07-28-2013 10:08 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 08:05 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

what was interesting to me was that with a green light to do whatever, she chose to do nothing.

Yeah, regardless of all the "down with women" guys on this forum, I tend to think quite a few women would do the same as long as they were into their man.

That said, and just playing devil's advocate here, are you 100% positive she didn't do anything?
Given that, I could also see a woman lying about this, open relationship or not, with her old man to preserve her integrity. Just a thought - certainly not saying it's the case for your relationship; as I mentioned, I feel like a lot of women wouldn't take the opportunity even if given the freedom.

100% certain. we have a young daughter, we have a very methodical schedule. i know where she is at all times. unless she started lying to me about being at work and started fucking dudes in hotel rooms, then no, there is no chance she is being dishonest. i mean, i was reading the emails she got from dudes with her, etc etc.

i even emailed dudes on okcupid trying to get some 'decent' guys to approach her so that she could get some action and keep things moving.

[DVY]

^^^reaper23- respect for the uncoventional lifestyle. Its maybe not my style, but I dig the spirit.

Reminds me of the dude Jim who called into the Patrice O Neal show. Has a wife and a live-in GF. They all live together and have done so peacefully for 10 years. He gets some on the side, when he wants it too. His girls watch TV together and do female stuff. He works, does his own hobbies and bangs one or the other or both of them.

[reaper23]

DVY: thanks dude. i'm trying. not saying its perfect nor that I was able to over come all my issues around jealousy. i mean, i definitely didnt. but i was working on it. trying really hard. i want to transcend.

[Duke Castile]

(07-30-2013 02:26 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

DVY: thanks dude. i'm trying. not saying its perfect nor that I was able to over come all my issues around jealousy. i mean, i definitely didnt. but i was working on it. trying really hard. i want to transcend.

I want to offer an alternative to "transcendence".

Let's face it, this is WHO you are as a man.

I wouldn't think twice about it.

Maybe reframe it. Rather than thinking of yourself as the jealous type, why not just admit that you are POSSESSIVE.

One is a reaction to insecurity and another is simply saying "what's mine is mine".

I think one is a flaw and the other is asserting dominance.

It's the difference between being "nervous" and "excited".

They are almost the same energy except one comes from being doubtful and the other comes from looking forward to something.

Just my thoughts.

[Matt3B]

I'm a bit late to the party but what a load of horse shit. Gimmicky as fuck, completely pointless in a relationship and if you have to "train" yourself not to be jealous that means you are insecure in your relationships and as a person.

I get the impression from these videos that they throw them out because they know people will watch them and give money to them. He sounds like he read a textbook.

These guys genuinely don't do as well as people think. I can't take this seriously at all.

[eradicator]

(07-31-2013 07:00 AM)MattC Wrote:  

I'm a bit late to the party but what a load of horse shit. Gimmicky as fuck, completely pointless in a relationship and if you have to "train" yourself not to be jealous that means you are insecure in your relationships and as a person.

I get the impression from these videos that they throw them out because they know people will watch them and give money to them. He sounds like he read a textbook.

These guys genuinely don't do as well as people think. I can't take this seriously at all.

as with any advice, take what you think you can use, and if you read or watch something you don't like, don't do it. I won't ever employ this tactic(watching someone else fuck a girl you are banging to make yourself less jealous) because I think it is stupid.

I have watched some of tylers other vids, and some of them are gold and he preaches the same type of self improvement and working on inner game as well as doing approaches that you hear from rooshv.

[w00t]

(07-29-2013 12:21 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

This is coming from a fairly reliable source close to the ground:

Quote:

Counts I know about from rsd instructors personally - Jeffy hit 200 this Feb. Alex claims 250. Derek claims 285. Todd was low 100s last summer. Owen claims 150 in Oct but heard from reliable sources he's really only at like 50. Manwhore 180 in Feb. Brad 130 last Oct. Julien 150-200. Lead US instructor for Sasha Daygame is 200. Oh and JMULV 199

If Tyler really only has about 50 bangs than thats absolutely horrible. That guy has been going out for 10 years straight and hits on chicks all the time. He does this stuff for a living.

Tyler is also the guy that keeps repeating that "Looks dont matter" and that daygame is the same like nightgame, I cant take this guy seriously hes full of shit IMO.

[reaper23]

(07-30-2013 05:52 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 02:26 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

DVY: thanks dude. i'm trying. not saying its perfect nor that I was able to over come all my issues around jealousy. i mean, i definitely didnt. but i was working on it. trying really hard. i want to transcend.

I want to offer an alternative to "transcendence".

Let's face it, this is WHO you are as a man.

I wouldn't think twice about it.

Maybe reframe it. Rather than thinking of yourself as the jealous type, why not just admit that you are POSSESSIVE.

One is a reaction to insecurity and another is simply saying "what's mine is mine".

I think one is a flaw and the other is asserting dominance.

It's the difference between being "nervous" and "excited".

They are almost the same energy except one comes from being doubtful and the other comes from looking forward to something.

Just my thoughts.

i appreciate the post but this doesnt really apply to me. i've got the dominant possessive thing down to a science. it just who i am. choke em, tie em up (shibari), have them call me daddy, cook for me, clean for me, they be my bitch.

thats the easy part and what they all love from me. plus i'm 6'4 245 worked out with a big beard. i'm a mountain of a man and i throw them around like rag dolls.

trying to over come the possessiveness was something i wanted to try as it was also my ticket to banging all the bitches i wanted. even though i screwed that up by sprinting instead of walking.

but in general i agree with your sentiments.

[eradicator]

(07-31-2013 10:04 AM)w00t Wrote:  

(07-29-2013 12:21 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

This is coming from a fairly reliable source close to the ground:

Quote:

Counts I know about from rsd instructors personally - Jeffy hit 200 this Feb. Alex claims 250. Derek claims 285. Todd was low 100s last summer. Owen claims 150 in Oct but heard from reliable sources he's really only at like 50. Manwhore 180 in Feb. Brad 130 last Oct. Julien 150-200. Lead US instructor for Sasha Daygame is 200. Oh and JMULV 199

If Tyler really only has about 50 bangs than thats absolutely horrible. That guy has been going out for 10 years straight and hits on chicks all the time. He does this stuff for a living.

Tyler is also the guy that keeps repeating that "Looks dont matter" and that daygame is the same like nightgame, I cant take this guy seriously hes full of shit IMO.

Oi, I disagree with all of that. Day game, the women are not going to be as prepared mentally to be getting approached so are less likely to have their bitch shields up.

I just watched his 'looks don't matter' videos on youtube. I disagree with just about the entire video. Women like good looking guys-that shouldn't be earth shattering. That isn't to say that a guy who is not great looking cannot improve himself through fitness and finding what clothes look good on him and how to wear his hair to make himself look as good as possible and greatly improve his game in doing so. If you have bad skin, you can find a dermatologist and fix the problem and suddenly become a lot better looking.

Just because i disagree with some of what he says, does not mean that he has nothing good to offer

[Tenerife]

(07-26-2013 01:58 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(07-26-2013 12:47 AM)Tenerife Wrote:  

you get could get good at something, start a business, get ripped, whatever.

Get good at something???

He chose to get good with women.

Start a business???

He did start a business. Picking up girls is his business.

Get ripped???

I'm all for working out a being in shape, but if you can't get girls then all those muscles are purely for show.

Lots of guys go out every night in the US for many months, even a year, and don't get success. Your environment is very important and that's not talked about in RSD, where they don't want you to question basic assumptions, yet they say "be your own guru".

Tyler himself admits that he went out every night for over a year and was celibate (David deangelo interview).

Kudos to him for putting effort in, problem is that these are inefficient methods, and frankly how do we know he got really good with women? Is his girlfriend hot?

The average white guy can go to east asia and bang as many girls as a PUA coach/RSD instructor bangs in a decade, in ONE year, with less effort.

The entire PUA industry relies on men using inefficient/stupid methods of getting laid, then having those men blame themselves for failing, when it was really a piece of shit product they bought and believed in. Sometimes these gullible self-blaming men wake up and get angry at the lies they believe in, hence PUA hate.

There wouldn't be such a backlash against these guys if they were just more straightforward and honest, and admitted that they occasionally bang cute to average girls at best, and that looks and fame matter, but that cold approach is basically whats left over.

Instead Tyler wanted to pump his products and bootcamps so badly that he lost all moderation when talking about game, fame, looks, status, etc.

Thank god for RVF where we can actually talk about reality instead of living in a land of fucking make believe and PUA guru-speak.

Game makes up an important piece of a pie that also consists of looks, fame, relative social status, connections, style, etc.

[Kieran]

The big thing that Tyler pushes is that if you can just go into "state", then you will get women regardless of your looks, money etc. What Tyler means by state is those nights that you are just in the zone, where everything you do just hits and you can get girls left and right. Anyone that goes out will have had nights like this, I know I certainly have. Then you can go out the next night and struggle, or have an average night etc, and yet your looks, money, fame etc haven't changed.

Tyler says that your looks, money, status etc matter in that they will affect how easily you are able to go into state; that is that when you believe that you have high value in your environment, be it by way of looks, money, status, fame etc, then it is easier to go into state and behave in a way that is attractive to women.

What RSD is all about, is exploiting the loophole that exists whereby if you can just go into state then you can get girls regardless of looks and money. This is why a lot of their teaching is to get their students approaching without hesitation, and in quick succession, so that they can cross what Tyler calls the indifference threshold where you stop giving a shit and get into the zone. I tend to agree somewhat, and these techniques definitely work for me.

On the other hand, I can see that it makes sense from a business perspective to downplay the importance of money and looks, and I do believe that looks, a good body (whatever that is), etc are attractive in and of themselves (but certainly not everything, as evidenced by the type of guys we all know that have seemingly nothing going for them, but yet, when it comes to women, are able to destroy guys with everything going for them in a conventional sense).

[MikeinMKE]

That dude in the video is a fag. He should spend his time getting hair restoration and not making shitty, overly-passionate videos.

[UniversalMen]

Years late to this post but regarding RSD Tyler and his videos: He has great energy and like many others have said has great conversational skills.

We each have our own style when it comes to game. Tyler was able to make a business out of it and became successful. Like in his videos he doesn't give a single fuck about what others think of his approach, voice, or looks.

We shouldn't over think one mPUA from another mPUA's way of working with game. We build game to fit our needs and wants, and try to adapt it to all facets of our lives.

If what Tyler teaches works for an average/below average guy then who are we to judge him. He's getting men to stand up and put themselves out there. We have to face rejection, humility, and ultimately gain knowledge that we otherwise would not have learned without guys like him who laid the groundwork.

If a man wants to plow through 100+ women in a few years, he's gonna have to put in the work, a LOT of work. If a man wants to plow through a few girls each year, guess what?! He's still gonna have to put in the work.

We each have to create our own style of game through this arduous process. Unless you're the natural born object of women's sexual desires and can get laid for just being present than you're just another average dude in today's sad complex environment. Work with what you've got but don't ever settle for less.

[Fortis]

(07-27-2018 02:28 AM)UniversalMen Wrote:  

If a man wants to plow through 100+ women in a few years, he's gonna have to put in the work, a LOT of work. If a man wants to plow through a few girls each year, guess what?! He's still gonna have to put in the work.

We each have to create our own style of game through this arduous process. Unless you're the natural born object of women's sexual desires and can get laid for just being present than you're just another average dude in today's sad complex environment. Work with what you've got but don't ever settle for less.

Not exactly. If you're living in East asia, 20+ average girls is pretty easy as long as you aren't a total autist like Suits.

[UniversalMen]

(07-27-2018 04:35 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Not exactly. If you're living in East asia, 20+ average girls is pretty easy as long as you aren't a total autist like Suits.

Fortis, I appreciate your comment but you're way off and you missed my point completely.

I was referring to where Tyler lives, and that is in the US. Not East Asia. My point wasn't about men that go to an Asian country to get laid but for men like myself who live in western countries and in particular, the US, that it requires so much work to get laid in this country, especially, with today's toxic environment that men in this country have to circumvent to meet and seduce women in their towns or cities.