[Saladin]

Yeah, obviously his infield footage has to be fake because its impossible for a non-adonis 6"3 guy with a perfect voice to pull girls?

[thegmanifesto]

(07-25-2013 10:46 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 10:38 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Most of those girls are hired help. They'll hire girls from a casting call.

Don't believe everything you see.

Just what I was going to say.

I don't find pick up videos to be any more believable than Back to the Future.

Guys need to remember they are PROMOTIONAL videos. ie-commercials

Is Tide going to show a commercial showing it doesn't get all the stains out?

Yeah, I have always been surprised how guys buy into these videos. Obviously not saying it can't be done, but it is super easy to fake.

Here is a biz model for aspiring youngsters:

1. Run a casting call for actress/models.

2. Pay each one $100 to "act" difficult to pick up, but then give their phone number. Maybe a kiss. (Or "kiss close" in pua lingo).

3. Film 100 videos.

4. Presto, you are now the "#1 PUA in the world! With indisputable "in-field" proof! (For only 10k)

5. Charge $5000 for Pua bootcamps. Charge $99 for an E-book about How to pick up girls. Maybe $175 for a "Text Message Attraction Guide" (sure to be a bestseller).

6. Count money.

7. Retire in Thailand with a bankroll of 2.3 million

Actually, this honestly isn't a bad idea...

[Ingocnito]

I agree with him saying to chill in general and how you have to be chill to get into the group of attractive people that have sex. I also agree with him that "usually" when you have a girlfriend she loves you and is mainly monogamous with you cause she loves you and is controlled by her own sweet loving emotions, but there are always the exceptions.

Some girls - at any age - are not in it (the game, an ONS, a relationship, a harem, LTR, whatever) to ever be monogamous, and usually are at least hypergamous. Its all frame and level of involvement.

Let me pose this; If your wife or LTR gf was talking to a guy(s) in a bar to the point of being noticeably turned on, like if you walked away for a while she might split and fuck the guy, would this turn you on more to her?

Not me. I'd leave the bitch and find another, and likely believe less in the sanctity of marriage and LTRs than I already do.

The point he made about women in their peak years, and guys peak spanning a much longer period is a valid though.

If I hold a "non-judgemental" frame re. past fucks of a girl I'm seein, yet it was quite the extensive carousel she rode, I'd be a fuckin moron to not be weary of considering her anything other than a fuck or FWB.

Tyler can have the totally beat up shit all to himself, I'll shoot for some level of balance in my equation.

[iknowexactly]

(07-25-2013 09:58 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 09:51 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

The best part is if a guy like that can get good at pickup, then most people don't have excuses.

Message!

He has very high energy and the ability to sustain a high level of continued work. Has two kids. I've heard his company is pretty pushy with hard sell tactics-- to the point of dishonesty-- when you call them. I think he has some unique viewpoints and the manic energy to go out hundreds and hundreds of nights to find things out directly. Also, this is a classic sales guy personality, loves talking, natural gift for interesting dialog, doesn't really give a shit about anybody.

I think in that video he is trying to emphasize how slutty women are inside. Great quote:

If men knew all that women think, they'd be twenty times more daring.
-- Alphonse Karr (1808-1890)

Just a bright, hypomanic American entrepeneur making a lot of money. $2.5K for three day boot camp. He is really funny, I've watched a lot of his lectures. Chicks like this kind of social excitement that funny guys bring, as well as the muscle guy dominance.

They want more or less _everything._

[Hotwheels]

(07-25-2013 11:15 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 10:46 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 10:38 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Most of those girls are hired help. They'll hire girls from a casting call.

Don't believe everything you see.

Just what I was going to say.

I don't find pick up videos to be any more believable than Back to the Future.

Guys need to remember they are PROMOTIONAL videos. ie-commercials

Is Tide going to show a commercial showing it doesn't get all the stains out?

Yeah, I have always been surprised how guys buy into these videos. Obviously not saying it can't be done, but it is super easy to fake.

Here is a biz model for aspiring youngsters:

1. Run a casting call for actress/models.

2. Pay each one $100 to "act" difficult to pick up, but then give their phone number. Maybe a kiss. (Or "kiss close" in pua lingo).

3. Film 100 videos.

4. Presto, you are now the "#1 PUA in the world! With indisputable "in-field" proof! (For only 10k)

5. Charge $5000 for Pua bootcamps. Charge $99 for an E-book about How to pick up girls. Maybe $175 for a "Text Message Attraction Guide" (sure to be a bestseller).

6. Count money.

7. Retire in Thailand with a bankroll of 2.3 million

Actually, this honestly isn't a bad idea...

Seriously, I've considered it...

[speakeasy]

I think a video like this needs to be framed in a bit of perspective. The majority of people have NOT had a lot of sexual partners, male and female. Most men will never break out of 10 life-time partners. When you consider that sex is an 80/20 game, you'd then have to surmise that it looks far worse for the average guy since the numbers are so skewed by a small number of men getting ridiculous amounts of pussy. According to this article:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19374216/ns/he...ere-having

Quote:

The median number of lifetime female sexual partners for men was seven; the median number of male partners for women was four.

Now I know you guys are going to claim the females were lying, but certainly the men have no incentive to lie about such a low number. If a private survey finds that most men have had 7 women in their life, I believe it. Even if the girls are lying a bit, it's not likely that's it off by more than a couple digits, because at a certain point, the math wouldn't work out where men could only 7 partners while women have 20 unless you live in a country with an insane ratio of males to females and all the females are sluts that never get into relationships while most the males are left to beat off.

This whole topic is much ado about nothing. Most people on the whole are not having all that much sex. This forum is highly selective group of people who are dedicated to pick up and spend time hanging in places like nightclubs in major cities where the most promiscuous women are likely to congregate. So to us, yes it seems like EVERYONE is fucking. Until we go out to Provo, Utah or Wichita, Kansas and see everyone married with a family by 24 while we were learning game.

[tiggaling]

I admire Tyler and the work he has put into this field and his contributions to it.

His Blueprint video is awesome and I really like watching his talks, his vulnerability and humour.

All this Tyler hate comes off as being quite transparent if you ask me.

[Christian McQueen]

There is something to be said for having a girl or two in your harem that you can pass them off to a buddy though. I have 2 girls in my harem who are not slutty types per se, but I've many times had them fuck friends and business associates of mine and I literally am not jealous nor care about the girls, so I'm cool with it.

The difference is that the girls are told by ME to do so; not the girls necessarily wanting to or asking me.

A fellow forum member, who I won't reveal who, was out with me one night in Hollywood. He didn't pull and nor did I, so I called one of my harem girls and had her give him a blowjob and then I fucked her.

It's never fun to go home alone or without pussy, so I wanted him to get some action. My guy friends are very important to me. Now this particular girl, I have strong reason to believe doesn't actually fuck any other guys but me, but she's so wrapped up on me that she does whatever I tell her to do.

When you are the boss and your frame is incredibly strong, then having one of your girls, (NOT your wife or GF) do your bidding including fucking your guy friends on your request, is pretty fucking cool. It's the closest thing I can imagine to being a king and have women doing your bidding.

[Tenerife]

RSD has some good info mixed in with a LOT of bullshit.

Just listening to tyler talk is nauseating. He's so into the guru trip.


RSD crap basically doesn't work. Looks matter, style matters, status matters, and game also matters. Problem is, how many people are going to go out 7 nights a week for a year with no results? with that amount of time you get could get good at something, start a business, get ripped, whatever.

[Grit]

Someone just linked to him at ultra music fest giving lessons on how clubbing should be fun and not stressful.

There was also a link to a lecture he gave on adapting yourself from an 'outcome' based lifestyle to a 'process' based lifestyle.

I found both to be valid points, but his rants in the third person omega in both of these are irritating.

[Duke Castile]

(07-25-2013 10:38 PM)dog24 Wrote:  

Fisto with all the respect a poster like you deserves, arent you the guy that posted on the goodlooking guy game and complained on how guys can be quick to talk shit just because of how you look? Yeah tyler looks beta even after all this years in the game, and probably will look this way all of his life. The fact that he gets girls even when all the odds are against him makes me think that it wouldnt hurt to listen to what he has to say. By the way he said he had a gf the mother of his kid, but hes still allowed to fuck around

Here's what turned me off, the authoritative tone he uses to tell me something that I know is not impossible.

It's that old Marcus Aurelius quote where he says, just because you have never done something, don't assume it's impossible, however, if someone else has done something, believe you can do it too.

As far as his looks, I can't respect a man that looks that weak. The same way I can't respect fat people. That's a choice he makes. That tells me a lot about him already.

A frail, weak, man doesn't strike me as having the ability to decide whether a girl can be tamed or not.

Look, the fact is, a large part of making a woman loyal, having her feel safe etc is you physically dominating her, this guy looks like he'd have a hard time doing that.

I see that my post could be read as my just not liking his looks, it's true, I don't, but it's the meaning behind his wimpiness that I don't like.

I have no doubt that he's got a lot of good insights since he's dealing with what I'd call a physical handicap.

But this is also a guy that could choose to hit the weight room, could choose to better himself, but doesn't.

Also, I know for a fact these type of guys who are selling things hire girls.

In Manila I banged 2 different girls that were hired regularly.

[thegmanifesto]

(07-25-2013 11:31 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 11:15 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 10:46 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 10:38 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Most of those girls are hired help. They'll hire girls from a casting call.

Don't believe everything you see.

Just what I was going to say.

I don't find pick up videos to be any more believable than Back to the Future.

Guys need to remember they are PROMOTIONAL videos. ie-commercials

Is Tide going to show a commercial showing it doesn't get all the stains out?

Yeah, I have always been surprised how guys buy into these videos. Obviously not saying it can't be done, but it is super easy to fake.

Here is a biz model for aspiring youngsters:

1. Run a casting call for actress/models.

2. Pay each one $100 to "act" difficult to pick up, but then give their phone number. Maybe a kiss. (Or "kiss close" in pua lingo).

3. Film 100 videos.

4. Presto, you are now the "#1 PUA in the world! With indisputable "in-field" proof! (For only 10k)

5. Charge $5000 for Pua bootcamps. Charge $99 for an E-book about How to pick up girls. Maybe $175 for a "Text Message Attraction Guide" (sure to be a bestseller).

6. Count money.

7. Retire in Thailand with a bankroll of 2.3 million

Actually, this honestly isn't a bad idea...

Seriously, I've considered it...

Yeah, the built in beauty of this plan is that you get to run Game on 100 model/actresses.

Come to think of it, this may be the strongest plan I have ever seen.

[OGNorCal707]

(07-26-2013 11:55 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 10:38 PM)dog24 Wrote:  

Fisto with all the respect a poster like you deserves, arent you the guy that posted on the goodlooking guy game and complained on how guys can be quick to talk shit just because of how you look? Yeah tyler looks beta even after all this years in the game, and probably will look this way all of his life. The fact that he gets girls even when all the odds are against him makes me think that it wouldnt hurt to listen to what he has to say. By the way he said he had a gf the mother of his kid, but hes still allowed to fuck around

Here's what turned me off, the authoritative tone he uses to tell me something that I know is not impossible.

It's that old Marcus Aurelius quote where he says, just because you have never done something, don't assume it's impossible, however, if someone else has done something, believe you can do it too.

As far as his looks, I can't respect a man that looks that weak. The same way I can't respect fat people. That's a choice he makes. That tells me a lot about him already.

A frail, weak, man doesn't strike me as having the ability to decide whether a girl can be tamed or not.

Look, the fact is, a large part of making a woman loyal, having her feel safe etc is you physically dominating her, this guy looks like he'd have a hard time doing that.

I see that my post could be read as my just not liking his looks, it's true, I don't, but it's the meaning behind his wimpiness that I don't like.

I have no doubt that he's got a lot of good insights since he's dealing with what I'd call a physical handicap.

But this is also a guy that could choose to hit the weight room, could choose to better himself, but doesn't.

Also, I know for a fact these type of guys who are selling things hire girls.

In Manila I banged 2 different girls that were hired regularly.

I am by no means a Tyler fan boy, although I will give him credit, for being one of the leading "game advisors" in the field of "seduction", he has been dropping good knowledge since the early 2000's.

I hear what you are saying about Tyler's appearance, he's about 5 ft 8 in. and is by no means a buff dude, but so what, not all of us are fortunate enough to have won the "genetic lottery". Tyler actually used to be really pudgy, borderline out right fat, and had horrible hair, style, etc.

Believe it or not in the past 5 years Tyler has actually greatly improved his looks by losing weight, improving his hair, style, grooming, etc. If you listened to any of his podcasts or videos you'd see that he actually advises guys get in shape, hit the gym, and improve their wardrobe, style, grooming, etc.

Sure he could probably take his own advice to heart a bit more and hit the weights a bit harder, but not everyone is blessed with the natural genetic frame to pack on a lot of muscle, at least not without 5 years + or a little help from steroids.

Part of the reason why I respect Tyler and why I think he really knows his shit is that he has pulled mad ass despite being shorter, a ginger, and lacking the muscles and overall looks/presence of a more classically "alpha" man.

Not everyone is fortunate enough to be 6 ft 3 in., naturally buff, and naturally handsome, no one gets to pick these things upon birth, some of us are luckier than others.

I will repeat what I have said before that I think it's best to get game advice from less attractive men, and I will stick with that. You can't teach a guy to be tall, buff, and classically handsome. Furthermore the things that a naturally tall, buff, and handsome guy can pull off and get away with, a shorter less attractive man could never get away with. I really doubt Tyler could get away with Fisto style "caveman" game, but neither could 90% of men out there, whereas 90% of men could probably learn something from the Tyler Durden and RooshV's of the world.

[speakeasy]

I used to find Tyler annoying, but I was going through his YouTube channel last night and he's got some interesting things to say. His latest video is about life success in general and finding a way get on an upward spiral. It was really inspirational. I'll be listening to him more going forward.

[Duke Castile]

Alright OGNorCal, to be honest, that video was my first introduction to anything by him. I respect your opinion as a guy who's been in the game and I know you've worked a lot on your own game. I also remember you getting over a situation with a girl you liked.

Coincidentally, this video made me write up a data sheet on The Nature of Sluts and How to Make Them Loyal.

For the record, I don't just caveman girls only haha

[speeddemon]

(07-26-2013 12:13 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 11:31 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 11:15 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 10:46 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 10:38 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Most of those girls are hired help. They'll hire girls from a casting call.

Don't believe everything you see.

Just what I was going to say.

I don't find pick up videos to be any more believable than Back to the Future.

Guys need to remember they are PROMOTIONAL videos. ie-commercials

Is Tide going to show a commercial showing it doesn't get all the stains out?

Yeah, I have always been surprised how guys buy into these videos. Obviously not saying it can't be done, but it is super easy to fake.

Here is a biz model for aspiring youngsters:

1. Run a casting call for actress/models.

2. Pay each one $100 to "act" difficult to pick up, but then give their phone number. Maybe a kiss. (Or "kiss close" in pua lingo).

3. Film 100 videos.

4. Presto, you are now the "#1 PUA in the world! With indisputable "in-field" proof! (For only 10k)

5. Charge $5000 for Pua bootcamps. Charge $99 for an E-book about How to pick up girls. Maybe $175 for a "Text Message Attraction Guide" (sure to be a bestseller).

6. Count money.

7. Retire in Thailand with a bankroll of 2.3 million

Actually, this honestly isn't a bad idea...

Seriously, I've considered it...

Yeah, the built in beauty of this plan is that you get to run Game on 100 model/actresses.

Come to think of it, this may be the strongest plan I have ever seen.

Hahahah Justin Wayne has already done this

[Giovonny]

I didn't watch the video, but, I will, I usually like his videos and learn something from them.

He does appear dorky and soft.

Does this matter?

Not really.

He is a businessman not a bodybuilder. I might not take fitness advice from him but I would certainly listen to his philosophies on game. He has been studying it for years.

He is a skinny, dorky, guy who can pull chicks. This is exactly the type of guy we can learn from.

I think one of the reasons this guy has been so successful is that his audience can relate to him. He is just a regular looking guy. Most of us are just regular looking guys. His audience can relate to him.

He is a successful businessman. Thats how I describe him. I take his advice because he is experienced.

I pay attention to the message not the messenger.

(07-26-2013 12:47 AM)Tenerife Wrote:  

you get could get good at something, start a business, get ripped, whatever.

Get good at something???

He chose to get good with women.

Start a business???

He did start a business. Picking up girls is his business.

Get ripped???

I'm all for working out a being in shape, but if you can't get girls then all those muscles are purely for show.

(07-26-2013 11:55 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

this is also a guy that could choose to hit the weight room, could choose to better himself, but doesn't.

It sounds like you just don't like this guys "look".

The weight room?

Instead of muscles, he chose game and money.

I can't knock him for that.

It's a personal decision for each man. Success isn't always defined by muscle size. Some guys want game, others want money, others want muscles.

It's nice to have all 3 but sometimes we have to prioritize.

Better himself?

He started a successful business, he developed his game. Isn't that bettering himself?

(07-25-2013 11:15 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Here is a biz model for aspiring youngsters:

1. Run a casting call for actress/models.

2. Pay each one $100 to "act" difficult to pick up, but then give their phone number. Maybe a kiss. (Or "kiss close" in pua lingo).

3. Film 100 videos.

4. Presto, you are now the "#1 PUA in the world! With indisputable "in-field" proof! (For only 10k)

5. Charge $5000 for Pua bootcamps. Charge $99 for an E-book about How to pick up girls. Maybe $175 for a "Text Message Attraction Guide" (sure to be a bestseller).

6. Count money.

7. Retire in Thailand with a bankroll of 2.3 million

Actually, this honestly isn't a bad idea...

It's a great idea.

I am thinking about doing this..

Can you front me the 10k?

Lets be business partners..

(07-26-2013 12:34 AM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

There is something to be said for having a girl or two in your harem that you can pass them off to a buddy though. I have 2 girls in my harem who are not slutty types per se, but I've many times had them fuck friends and business associates of mine and I literally am not jealous nor care about the girls, so I'm cool with it.

The difference is that the girls are told by ME to do so; not the girls necessarily wanting to or asking me.

A fellow forum member, who I won't reveal who, was out with me one night in Hollywood. He didn't pull and nor did I, so I called one of my harem girls and had her give him a blowjob and then I fucked her.

It's never fun to go home alone or without pussy, so I wanted him to get some action. My guy friends are very important to me. Now this particular girl, I have strong reason to believe doesn't actually fuck any other guys but me, but she's so wrapped up on me that she does whatever I tell her to do.

When you are the boss and your frame is incredibly strong, then having one of your girls, (NOT your wife or GF) do your bidding including fucking your guy friends on your request, is pretty fucking cool. It's the closest thing I can imagine to being a king and have women doing your bidding.

This is a different level. I'm not saying its a "higher" level, I'm just saying its a different level.

The average guy can not wrap his mind around this.

Thats why the average guy is average.

McQueen is a different type of animal.

[Duke Castile]

Gio, you're missing my point. He's good at the front part of attraction, not the back end. He can't keep a girls loyalty. Fuck it I'm starting my own thread discussing out to keep loyalty.

For the record I'm not saying someone has to be a body builder, but they should be physically able to dominate a girl. I don't think this guy is capable.

[Aliblahba]

Fisto gets it, Tyler doesn't. Game is game. The tighter it is the more bishes will cling to you. Not all women stray. If you do right, they'll be fiercely loyal, as to not fuck up a good thing.

I banged a chick over a decade ago. Last month she hit me up out of the blue, was mad at her husband, and wanted me to fuck the ever living dogshit outta her. She's a dentist with a new set of tits. Her husband is a complete omega. That's why she is straying.

So two more things. Tyler has been in the biz for a long time and hasn't figured out game, but he's selling it. If he was that smart, he'd probably figured it out by now.

Cuckolding is gay. When a dude wants to watch another man penetrate his gf/wife, there's some deep rooted gayness going on there. If you need this to happen to get over jealousy, there is some serious mental issues that should be addressed first. Jus' sayin'.

As for Tyler's infield footage? All I'll say is there lots of legalities when filming people with sound, w/out their consent. At least here in the U.S. Maybe he has to use models as not to get sued. Maybe.

[MidniteSpecial]

You want a girl who will always stay loyal to you no matter how many girls you bang on the side?

Look for these things:

- she's super afraid of looking like a hoe or being judged for what she does.

- her parents had an arranged marriage and her mom stayed with her dad no matter what he did.

- she comes from an ethnic family that believes women should not have sex before marriage.

- she looks at sex as something deep that you can only do if you're in love and won't just have sex to 'get off'

- make sure she's in love with you.

- when you do cheat don't show those other hoes love. Don't buy them shit. Don't call them pretty. Don't eat them out. Get your dick sucked and leave them right after mentality.

- she's a Virgin or has only been with one other guy

- you make her cum when her first man never did

-OCD and afraid of catching stds with other random dudes.

These are just a few of the things I have noticed in a gf I had for a long term who stayed loyal to me no matter what I did.

[Giovonny]

(07-26-2013 02:01 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

For the record I'm not saying someone has to be a body builder, but they should be physically able to dominate a girl. I don't think this guy is capable.

You don't think this guy is stronger then a girl?

Shit, maybe you are right.

Many girls would not consider this guy because he looks too "weak".

(07-26-2013 02:01 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

He's good at the front part of attraction, not the back end.

Interesting way to describe it..? I'm starting to see your perspective.

(07-26-2013 02:01 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

loyalty. Fuck it I'm starting my own thread discussing out to keep loyalty.

Loyalty?

I thought all women were whores and hypergamy is out of control..?

Now, we are saying that we can make girls loyal to us..?

This is gonna be interesting. I will check out the "loyalty" thread.

[Lothario]

^^^^ all what Midnite said plus you have to keep your game tight, always be the most Intersting man in her eyes, always keep the spark there.

Don't we loose attraction for girls when they get fat 2 yrs after getting married, popping kids, same way girls will lose attraction if all you do is sit in front of Tv and add pounds to your weight and loose the spark in life.

I have seen many friends give up on life after getting married and also seen their wives loose interest in them.

[MidniteSpecial]

Word which means spend a lot of time away from her doing mysterious things. But not so much where she gives up on you.

[thegmanifesto]

(07-26-2013 01:58 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

It's a great idea.

I am thinking about doing this..

Can you front me the 10k?

Lets be business partners..

Serious?

You would actually be a perfect front man for this.

Hell, we could even do it 100% legit. Picking up girls isn't hard.

College Campus Game focused. I know you like that. You down for Gaming at University of Miami?

This could be the "Fame Game" you have been looking for.

[Giovonny]

(07-26-2013 02:57 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Serious?

As a heart attack.

(07-26-2013 02:57 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

You down for Gaming at University of Miami?

Claro, papi.

(07-26-2013 02:57 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

This could be the "Fame Game" you have been looking for.

I know. This could be my destiny.

This is my shit.