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Novosibirsk Data Sheet
As you know I was there for about a week. Here's all the data/info I gathered in my time there..
Lodging/Logistics:
You want to stay as close as possible to Sovetskaya 18 would be my suggestion. There are several clubs/pubs there, it's next to the main square in town, there are a few coffee shops and restaurants too, and a grocery store. Can't think of a better place to stay.
We rented a flat through booking.com, PM me for more info. It was located a 3 minute walk from Sovetskaya 18 and we paid $100/night for a nice 1-bedroom apartment that included breakfast.
I flew into the airport in Novosibirsk and it is a dump. Passport control took forever and because I was so hungover from Odessa the night before I failed to look into important things like exchange rate, how far my apartment was, etc. So we got ripped off for the taxi, 2000 rubles when it should have been much less. Be careful about that. Also, I didn't see an ATM at the airport. Maybe have some rubles with you before you come or ask the taxi driver to stop at an ATM.
The City/Transport:
It is hands down, the ugliest and most depressing city I've ever been to. There is only one main street, Krasney Prospect and that's it. And it's pretty damn ugly, industrial looking. There is really nothing else to see or go to in the city. This is not only my opinion but locals who lived there.
I did however never make it over to Akademekagorodok or whatever it's called, which is supposed to be nice.
Transport wise, there is one metro in town and one line (I believe, I only went once). Honestly 90% of what you want to do is on that main street or right off it, so we never took a taxi once other than to arrive and leave the city. Took the metro once to go to a club a bit out of the main city area, which I will talk about later.
Safety:
This may be the only town I was actively careful in. These Siberian guys get very drunk. Also it was the only place I've been to where I was warned 1) not to venture out of the main street, and 2) to stay away from certain types of guys (the ones wearing all sport clothes, forgot their names).
Nothing at all happened, but we were just careful. We didn't venture alone out at night, and stopped speaking English when passing groups of drunk guys.
Phone SIM:
On Krasny Prospect there is some phone store with yellow background and black writing, whose name is Europe translated into Russian or something. Went there and got some MegaFon sim's, pretty cheap. Make sure to tell them you want unlimited internet. It's 3G service for our Iphone 5s.
Food/Restaurants/Cafes:
Respublica - Located next to Carl's Jr in that Sovetskaya 18 complex. Good food, cheap too for Russia. I suggest the tongue dish. Lots of young people go here because it's cheap. Also good preparty spot before heading out at night, girls were receptive to us there. NOTE - no waiters/waitresses spoke English and nothing on the menu was in English. So be warned.
Cafe Molka - Same complex, good cafe with good internet and some girls there if you want to daygame.
Traveler's Coffee - A chain with multiple locations, we did not like it. Slow internet subpar food/coffee.
Cafe Molka (bigger one) - North on Krasny Prospekt, over the metro. Huge 3 story cafe, sit on the roof lots of people. Good food.
Nightlife:
A bit disappointing during the week, but some pockets of action here and there. You can check out nightout.ru for some ads on what is good each night, as well as photos.
POSH - Where I went for ladies' night on Wednesday. Free champagne for all girls, so it was packed with girls in there, unbelievable ratio. We hit with our first approach so can't really say how receptive the girls were in general.
There is an entry, and pay with cash. The damn cashier tried to rip me off and it was a 15 minute delay to fix it. Once at the bar, get a bottle of Vodka, it was only like 60 bucks for that and some cokes/mixers. We tried other nights and it was dead.
FIRST - we were told not to go there because the low class go and fights happen a lot. More than one person told us this, so we stayed away.
SINEY INI - Popular club with the locals, but we hated it. Worst reception we got was here, girls were not very friendly. Super small, packed and not easy to start conversations. Good level of talent though. It's location is hard to find, it's in the Sovetskaya 18 complex, to the left of Harat's pub. Look for a small blue door, only works on weekends. We went on Saturday night.
HARAT'S PUB - An irish pub, not that great. Few girls here and there and apparently they have live music on weekends. I'd skip it.
KILEV BAR - In the Sovetskaya 18 complex, hard to find. Where Respublica is you will see a little alley way going into the courtyard (if you can call it that) of the complex. Walk down the path and on your left you will see a sign that says Kilev. There is a big metal door, pull on it and the bouncer will open and let you in. It works random days.
We went on Saturday and liked it, girls were receptive there is a dance floor several bars, etc. But be warned it is hot as shit in there. No outside area at all.
PRAVDA - This one is a bit away from the center and you have to take the metro or cab, but for me it looked like the most promising club of all. I went with the 19yo who later blew me off (though we were going at it that night at the club), so I couldn't approach. But loads of attractive, young girls and the ratio was 70/30 girls to guys. I was getting looks too, killed me not to approach. Several rooms, outside patio for smoking, has it all. Only thing is logistically it is out of the way. This was Friday night.
LOBSTER BOB's - A favorite of locals, we never made it there. It's in that Akademicgorodok area, there are buses that go from outside Posh to there and back at night. Buses leave the city center at 11 and 1, and return at 3 and 5am. Price is 50 rubles. Beach bar apparently, no idea how good it is.
ALPEN GROTTE - Odd after hours place that goes until 6 or later every night. A strip club is attached, didn't know what to make of this place. Some really drunk people there but quality is missing. We went on Tuesday night.
FRIENDS - Another city favorite. Higher end bar that makes fancy cocktails and has hookah. Went on Tuesday too and it was hard to approach there. Some decent quality though, few hotties smoking hookah.
COYOTE UGLY - Locals seem to love this place too, we only made it there that Sunday night where I had my threesome. Apparently a lot of people go on the weekends. Kind of far away from the action but walkable.
ROCK CITY - Open every night but few people both times we went (off nights). Younger crowd, more rockish. Has an odd card system where they give you a card to charge your drinks and you pay when you leave. Went on their ladies' night (Thursday) and it was dead. Went on Sunday again (first bar of my threesome night) and it was dead too, but we were able to get some approaches in.
Girls:
Coming from Ukraine, very disappointing. There are of course cute and hot girls here and there, but it was rough finding them. Daytime I barely saw any, maybe 1 or 2 hot girls every hour. Compare that with Kiev where it was 1 or 2 every few minutes. I saw one stunner the entire time there. There are straight up fat and obese girls there, as well as a good concentration of thicker girls. Punk/hipster also high here. Nonetheless, it's still Russia so at night you'd get the dress, heels, makeup and the hotter girls made their way out.
The girls did not seem that conservative. We got makeouts on same nights, my buddy banged on a first date and I got that threesome. I would see people making out at the clubs often. Some girls got pretty hammered.
Not a high concentration of English speakers. Probably the least in my travels. Maybe 10-20% spoke conversational English.
Guys:
Man they are ugly. I'm talking really really ugly. Unibrows, horrible dress style, mutant looking people. Almost everywhere we went we truly believed we were the best looking guys there. I've been to Moscow and now here in Tomsk and the guys are at least respectable if not stylish and decent looking. Not in Novosibirsk. Probably the ugliest group of guys I've ever seen. Maybe that helped with my friend's and I's success there.
The guys are super aggressive with their approaches and girls. They will grab them as they walk by Brazilian style. I barely spoke to many guys there as I tried to avoid them. A few were nice, one kept buying us shots at Siney Inei. Overall just ignore them and you should be fine.
Strategy/Game:
Just say hello and whip out the translator.![[Image: biggrin.gif]](https://rooshvforum.network/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Just kidding. My friend's strategy was to birrage them with kindness, which worked for him. For me it was being nice and friendly with a lot of touching. I'd screen girls by asking their name, seeing if they asked mine and if they asked where I was from. That meant interest, then I'd push it from there.
Dressing up worked. I had much more success in my blazer than I did with just a button down. Standard western game worked fine. I was the most dressed up on Sunday night (blazer) and I think that worked in my favor to get the bang.
My approaches all started in English. If they showed some level of interest, I'd continue in English and with some Russian mixed in to entertain them (they think its so funny when I speak). If no English, I'd try to go with some Russian but that was much harder.
Other/Costs:
As I mentioned the level of English is low with restaurants, service people and locals. Vodka is the cheapest drink you can get, even less than beer. Stick to that to save some money. People are poor there, so a lot of them take advantage of free nights for girls, or switch to Vodka to save money.
Vodka was about 2-4 bucks a shot. Other drinks were 8-10 bucks. Coffee was about 2-3 bucks and lattes/mochas were 4-6 bucks. Entry to clubs was anywhere from 3-10 bucks at most. Not bad.
We visited the zoo, not worth it in my opinion.
White God Factor:
Pretty fucking high if a girl is into you. I did not see, hear or speak to another foreigner in the almost week I was there, much less an American. I've detailed some of the reactions already here in this thread.
Conclusion:
I would NOT go back. Yes I had the threesome but having had a few of them they are straight luck of the draw. It's not like certain cities are known for their bisexuality amongst women (or if there are I should find them). The city is so ugly it makes you depressed. I have never been to Kharkiv but now understand what Roosh was talking about as an industrial shithole. It cost us $600 one way to fly there from Odessa and it was a 5 hour flight - it's definitely out there. My advice for anyone wanting to go would be as follows:
- If you want just sex, nothing else, and you have a buddy to go with, then GO.
- If you are alone, DON'T go.
- If you want to daygame or do anything during the day, DON'T go.
- If you are looking for tons of high quality walking around, DON'T go.
- If you enjoy the white god factor or want to experience it and can put up with the negatives, then GO.
As always, any questions just ask.
As you know I was there for about a week. Here's all the data/info I gathered in my time there..
Lodging/Logistics:
You want to stay as close as possible to Sovetskaya 18 would be my suggestion. There are several clubs/pubs there, it's next to the main square in town, there are a few coffee shops and restaurants too, and a grocery store. Can't think of a better place to stay.
We rented a flat through booking.com, PM me for more info. It was located a 3 minute walk from Sovetskaya 18 and we paid $100/night for a nice 1-bedroom apartment that included breakfast.
I flew into the airport in Novosibirsk and it is a dump. Passport control took forever and because I was so hungover from Odessa the night before I failed to look into important things like exchange rate, how far my apartment was, etc. So we got ripped off for the taxi, 2000 rubles when it should have been much less. Be careful about that. Also, I didn't see an ATM at the airport. Maybe have some rubles with you before you come or ask the taxi driver to stop at an ATM.
The City/Transport:
It is hands down, the ugliest and most depressing city I've ever been to. There is only one main street, Krasney Prospect and that's it. And it's pretty damn ugly, industrial looking. There is really nothing else to see or go to in the city. This is not only my opinion but locals who lived there.
I did however never make it over to Akademekagorodok or whatever it's called, which is supposed to be nice.
Transport wise, there is one metro in town and one line (I believe, I only went once). Honestly 90% of what you want to do is on that main street or right off it, so we never took a taxi once other than to arrive and leave the city. Took the metro once to go to a club a bit out of the main city area, which I will talk about later.
Safety:
This may be the only town I was actively careful in. These Siberian guys get very drunk. Also it was the only place I've been to where I was warned 1) not to venture out of the main street, and 2) to stay away from certain types of guys (the ones wearing all sport clothes, forgot their names).
Nothing at all happened, but we were just careful. We didn't venture alone out at night, and stopped speaking English when passing groups of drunk guys.
Phone SIM:
On Krasny Prospect there is some phone store with yellow background and black writing, whose name is Europe translated into Russian or something. Went there and got some MegaFon sim's, pretty cheap. Make sure to tell them you want unlimited internet. It's 3G service for our Iphone 5s.
Food/Restaurants/Cafes:
Respublica - Located next to Carl's Jr in that Sovetskaya 18 complex. Good food, cheap too for Russia. I suggest the tongue dish. Lots of young people go here because it's cheap. Also good preparty spot before heading out at night, girls were receptive to us there. NOTE - no waiters/waitresses spoke English and nothing on the menu was in English. So be warned.
Cafe Molka - Same complex, good cafe with good internet and some girls there if you want to daygame.
Traveler's Coffee - A chain with multiple locations, we did not like it. Slow internet subpar food/coffee.
Cafe Molka (bigger one) - North on Krasny Prospekt, over the metro. Huge 3 story cafe, sit on the roof lots of people. Good food.
Nightlife:
A bit disappointing during the week, but some pockets of action here and there. You can check out nightout.ru for some ads on what is good each night, as well as photos.
POSH - Where I went for ladies' night on Wednesday. Free champagne for all girls, so it was packed with girls in there, unbelievable ratio. We hit with our first approach so can't really say how receptive the girls were in general.
There is an entry, and pay with cash. The damn cashier tried to rip me off and it was a 15 minute delay to fix it. Once at the bar, get a bottle of Vodka, it was only like 60 bucks for that and some cokes/mixers. We tried other nights and it was dead.
FIRST - we were told not to go there because the low class go and fights happen a lot. More than one person told us this, so we stayed away.
SINEY INI - Popular club with the locals, but we hated it. Worst reception we got was here, girls were not very friendly. Super small, packed and not easy to start conversations. Good level of talent though. It's location is hard to find, it's in the Sovetskaya 18 complex, to the left of Harat's pub. Look for a small blue door, only works on weekends. We went on Saturday night.
HARAT'S PUB - An irish pub, not that great. Few girls here and there and apparently they have live music on weekends. I'd skip it.
KILEV BAR - In the Sovetskaya 18 complex, hard to find. Where Respublica is you will see a little alley way going into the courtyard (if you can call it that) of the complex. Walk down the path and on your left you will see a sign that says Kilev. There is a big metal door, pull on it and the bouncer will open and let you in. It works random days.
We went on Saturday and liked it, girls were receptive there is a dance floor several bars, etc. But be warned it is hot as shit in there. No outside area at all.
PRAVDA - This one is a bit away from the center and you have to take the metro or cab, but for me it looked like the most promising club of all. I went with the 19yo who later blew me off (though we were going at it that night at the club), so I couldn't approach. But loads of attractive, young girls and the ratio was 70/30 girls to guys. I was getting looks too, killed me not to approach. Several rooms, outside patio for smoking, has it all. Only thing is logistically it is out of the way. This was Friday night.
LOBSTER BOB's - A favorite of locals, we never made it there. It's in that Akademicgorodok area, there are buses that go from outside Posh to there and back at night. Buses leave the city center at 11 and 1, and return at 3 and 5am. Price is 50 rubles. Beach bar apparently, no idea how good it is.
ALPEN GROTTE - Odd after hours place that goes until 6 or later every night. A strip club is attached, didn't know what to make of this place. Some really drunk people there but quality is missing. We went on Tuesday night.
FRIENDS - Another city favorite. Higher end bar that makes fancy cocktails and has hookah. Went on Tuesday too and it was hard to approach there. Some decent quality though, few hotties smoking hookah.
COYOTE UGLY - Locals seem to love this place too, we only made it there that Sunday night where I had my threesome. Apparently a lot of people go on the weekends. Kind of far away from the action but walkable.
ROCK CITY - Open every night but few people both times we went (off nights). Younger crowd, more rockish. Has an odd card system where they give you a card to charge your drinks and you pay when you leave. Went on their ladies' night (Thursday) and it was dead. Went on Sunday again (first bar of my threesome night) and it was dead too, but we were able to get some approaches in.
Girls:
Coming from Ukraine, very disappointing. There are of course cute and hot girls here and there, but it was rough finding them. Daytime I barely saw any, maybe 1 or 2 hot girls every hour. Compare that with Kiev where it was 1 or 2 every few minutes. I saw one stunner the entire time there. There are straight up fat and obese girls there, as well as a good concentration of thicker girls. Punk/hipster also high here. Nonetheless, it's still Russia so at night you'd get the dress, heels, makeup and the hotter girls made their way out.
The girls did not seem that conservative. We got makeouts on same nights, my buddy banged on a first date and I got that threesome. I would see people making out at the clubs often. Some girls got pretty hammered.
Not a high concentration of English speakers. Probably the least in my travels. Maybe 10-20% spoke conversational English.
Guys:
Man they are ugly. I'm talking really really ugly. Unibrows, horrible dress style, mutant looking people. Almost everywhere we went we truly believed we were the best looking guys there. I've been to Moscow and now here in Tomsk and the guys are at least respectable if not stylish and decent looking. Not in Novosibirsk. Probably the ugliest group of guys I've ever seen. Maybe that helped with my friend's and I's success there.
The guys are super aggressive with their approaches and girls. They will grab them as they walk by Brazilian style. I barely spoke to many guys there as I tried to avoid them. A few were nice, one kept buying us shots at Siney Inei. Overall just ignore them and you should be fine.
Strategy/Game:
Just say hello and whip out the translator.
Just kidding. My friend's strategy was to birrage them with kindness, which worked for him. For me it was being nice and friendly with a lot of touching. I'd screen girls by asking their name, seeing if they asked mine and if they asked where I was from. That meant interest, then I'd push it from there. Dressing up worked. I had much more success in my blazer than I did with just a button down. Standard western game worked fine. I was the most dressed up on Sunday night (blazer) and I think that worked in my favor to get the bang.
My approaches all started in English. If they showed some level of interest, I'd continue in English and with some Russian mixed in to entertain them (they think its so funny when I speak). If no English, I'd try to go with some Russian but that was much harder.
Other/Costs:
As I mentioned the level of English is low with restaurants, service people and locals. Vodka is the cheapest drink you can get, even less than beer. Stick to that to save some money. People are poor there, so a lot of them take advantage of free nights for girls, or switch to Vodka to save money.
Vodka was about 2-4 bucks a shot. Other drinks were 8-10 bucks. Coffee was about 2-3 bucks and lattes/mochas were 4-6 bucks. Entry to clubs was anywhere from 3-10 bucks at most. Not bad.
We visited the zoo, not worth it in my opinion.
White God Factor:
Pretty fucking high if a girl is into you. I did not see, hear or speak to another foreigner in the almost week I was there, much less an American. I've detailed some of the reactions already here in this thread.
Conclusion:
I would NOT go back. Yes I had the threesome but having had a few of them they are straight luck of the draw. It's not like certain cities are known for their bisexuality amongst women (or if there are I should find them). The city is so ugly it makes you depressed. I have never been to Kharkiv but now understand what Roosh was talking about as an industrial shithole. It cost us $600 one way to fly there from Odessa and it was a 5 hour flight - it's definitely out there. My advice for anyone wanting to go would be as follows:
- If you want just sex, nothing else, and you have a buddy to go with, then GO.
- If you are alone, DON'T go.
- If you want to daygame or do anything during the day, DON'T go.
- If you are looking for tons of high quality walking around, DON'T go.
- If you enjoy the white god factor or want to experience it and can put up with the negatives, then GO.
As always, any questions just ask.
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Cool thread...I'm moving to Piter on Aug 29...nothing here, or on this forum in general, has made me regret this decision. Thanks again, great read.
Ha. Actually, not a typo as I was referring to the fact that we both have an Iphone 5, thus the plural form of Iphone 5s. Since it's not possessive there is no apostrophe I believe, though I'm no grammar genius. ![[Image: smile.gif]](https://rooshvforum.network/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Quote: (07-23-2013 03:43 AM)macDamon Wrote:
Cool thread...I'm moving to Piter on Aug 29...nothing here, or on this forum in general, has made me regret this decision. Thanks again, great read.
Going to teach English by chance, macD? PM me if you want...
"...it's the quiet cool...it's for someone who's been through the struggle and come out on the other side smelling like money and pussy."
"put her in the taxi, put her number in the trash can"
We have to keep this forum honest so we don't end up like the other side, so to that end Partizan was right to voice any doubts he has about a story posted on here. It doesn't mean he was saying he outright doesn't believe Slubu but merely that what happened seems so improbable that he has a duty to question it especially since he knows Russia. We all have a duty to politely question things posted, no hate implied towards the poster when doing so. I've been called out before and called others out, it's all good banter.
I read your threesome post and famous Kiev one with interest and knowing Russia I have to have a heavy dose of scepticism too. Did you have a threesome? After reading your post I say yes you did. I think you had a threesome just like I believed your Kiev stories BUT I also believe the girls were straight up prostitutes, no doubt about it in my mind. The way you described everything, especially the two Siberian girls story, and the way the girls acted just screams 'Russian pro' to me, it's not even in question. I have no right to say you paid them money or even if you knew they were whores but they were as pro as you can get. Why do I say that? Threesomes happen right? Mad shit goes down in the wild east right? Russia is a conservative place outside of the big two. Russian dating culture works very differently to our own something people who have not been don't really get. They see white girls and think western attitude. Nope. So even if you SNL'd in the provinces you are doing well because they are much more conservative than us. Wolverine who posted here had the looks, language, cultural background, everything and he never SNL'd in the provinces on his trips. Their history developed along different tangents to our own in western Europe and is Asiatic in social and cultural influence ( 'scratch a Russian you will find a Tartar' ) so even long before the great schism Russians were conservative. People think of the 90's and think slutty white women but that was an anomaly in the history. A whole clusterfuck of social economic and geo-politic problems and disasters meant that there was a desperation that made women do things out of their cultural norm. Forget the 90's guys when thinking about the FSU, let it play no part in your judgement of the women or desire to visit.
So back to the threesome: not only is it conservative but let's add on that you speak poor Russian, you had to use a translator on your phone to understand them which means you speak poor Russian since they were not discussing macro economics but simply saying 'let's go to yours' ( a regular Russian girl saying let's go to yours after half an hour of meeting her hahahahaha ). Add on to that you are on holiday and it's your last night so there was zero chance of a relationship, it was purely sex. Well women get horny but Russian women will still control that desire to stay within their social and cultural mores. Not only that but they led the whole thing you said, demanding you leave your friend, ordering a cab themselves, leading you to the bang location, instigating a threesome, all typical Russian 'pro' behaviour and definitely not normal Russian woman mindset. That is no more Russian girl behaviour than wearing hot pants in Riyadh is Saudi girl behaviour. The only way this could happen is of they were absolutely blind drunk and you had known them for a period, THEN and only then it might might happen but still almost certainly not.
People say 'but it's Siberia and white god factor' I have an American friend who has lived and worked in Siberia for two years, in a even more off the path city than N'Birsk. He is way into Siberia, he is a straight up New Yorker, he reads this forum and he must be pissing himself laughing reading this because he knows the reality of the place and the reality is despite his 'white god factor' you only bang after dates, shit I doubt he has even had an SNL in his entire two years there and the boy is a fearless approacher. I have been as far off the tracks as you can get in Russia, I speak good Russian, I have better cultural understanding than most having been married to a Russian for 5 years and made over 30 trips to the region and I can count on two fingers my SNL's outside of Moscow in the FSU. Of course your game could be 100 times better than mine but still.
So yes I believe Slubu had a threesome like I believe you fucked 4 Ukrainian chicks in three days last year but I also will say that I have zero doubt in my mind that they were professionals. Either way it doesn't matter. Even if you paid you had a threesome with two devs, nothing wrong with that it's what adventurous trips are about.
Safe travels.
I read your threesome post and famous Kiev one with interest and knowing Russia I have to have a heavy dose of scepticism too. Did you have a threesome? After reading your post I say yes you did. I think you had a threesome just like I believed your Kiev stories BUT I also believe the girls were straight up prostitutes, no doubt about it in my mind. The way you described everything, especially the two Siberian girls story, and the way the girls acted just screams 'Russian pro' to me, it's not even in question. I have no right to say you paid them money or even if you knew they were whores but they were as pro as you can get. Why do I say that? Threesomes happen right? Mad shit goes down in the wild east right? Russia is a conservative place outside of the big two. Russian dating culture works very differently to our own something people who have not been don't really get. They see white girls and think western attitude. Nope. So even if you SNL'd in the provinces you are doing well because they are much more conservative than us. Wolverine who posted here had the looks, language, cultural background, everything and he never SNL'd in the provinces on his trips. Their history developed along different tangents to our own in western Europe and is Asiatic in social and cultural influence ( 'scratch a Russian you will find a Tartar' ) so even long before the great schism Russians were conservative. People think of the 90's and think slutty white women but that was an anomaly in the history. A whole clusterfuck of social economic and geo-politic problems and disasters meant that there was a desperation that made women do things out of their cultural norm. Forget the 90's guys when thinking about the FSU, let it play no part in your judgement of the women or desire to visit.
So back to the threesome: not only is it conservative but let's add on that you speak poor Russian, you had to use a translator on your phone to understand them which means you speak poor Russian since they were not discussing macro economics but simply saying 'let's go to yours' ( a regular Russian girl saying let's go to yours after half an hour of meeting her hahahahaha ). Add on to that you are on holiday and it's your last night so there was zero chance of a relationship, it was purely sex. Well women get horny but Russian women will still control that desire to stay within their social and cultural mores. Not only that but they led the whole thing you said, demanding you leave your friend, ordering a cab themselves, leading you to the bang location, instigating a threesome, all typical Russian 'pro' behaviour and definitely not normal Russian woman mindset. That is no more Russian girl behaviour than wearing hot pants in Riyadh is Saudi girl behaviour. The only way this could happen is of they were absolutely blind drunk and you had known them for a period, THEN and only then it might might happen but still almost certainly not.
People say 'but it's Siberia and white god factor' I have an American friend who has lived and worked in Siberia for two years, in a even more off the path city than N'Birsk. He is way into Siberia, he is a straight up New Yorker, he reads this forum and he must be pissing himself laughing reading this because he knows the reality of the place and the reality is despite his 'white god factor' you only bang after dates, shit I doubt he has even had an SNL in his entire two years there and the boy is a fearless approacher. I have been as far off the tracks as you can get in Russia, I speak good Russian, I have better cultural understanding than most having been married to a Russian for 5 years and made over 30 trips to the region and I can count on two fingers my SNL's outside of Moscow in the FSU. Of course your game could be 100 times better than mine but still.
So yes I believe Slubu had a threesome like I believe you fucked 4 Ukrainian chicks in three days last year but I also will say that I have zero doubt in my mind that they were professionals. Either way it doesn't matter. Even if you paid you had a threesome with two devs, nothing wrong with that it's what adventurous trips are about.
Safe travels.
Vorkuta, I think your one of the best posters on here and especially with the Russia stuff. Don't know what to tell you, if they were pros then I got charged nothing and the one that fucked my buddy too just gave him a freebie? Anyway, I'll continue to post my stories and provide information and each person can assess what they want to the truthfulness of such posts.
There are some errors in your statements but like I said I'm not here to defend myself so I'll just leave it. Interestingly I was having a conversation with a very known poster on the forum about p4p and regular gaming. We both agreed that while we have no moral objection to it, our excitement derives not from the act of sex itself, but from meeting, gaming and having a girl be so into us that she just submits herself physically. I've gone so far as kicking out a girl in my bed already for asking for 70-80 bucks (see here).
Anyway, time for Tomsk night #1.
There are some errors in your statements but like I said I'm not here to defend myself so I'll just leave it. Interestingly I was having a conversation with a very known poster on the forum about p4p and regular gaming. We both agreed that while we have no moral objection to it, our excitement derives not from the act of sex itself, but from meeting, gaming and having a girl be so into us that she just submits herself physically. I've gone so far as kicking out a girl in my bed already for asking for 70-80 bucks (see here).
Anyway, time for Tomsk night #1.
I've also met Slubu and I'm 92% he is full of shit and hasn't had a threesome with anyone, let alone a bunch of Russian girls via Google Translate.
Kidding, I've never met him. I just wanted to comment that the last night in a city phenomenon is legit I think. My last out of town trip from BKK I spent three nights in Saigon, and two in Phnom Penh. The last night in each city was by far the best....aside from the hangovers the next morning when you have to travel.
Kidding, I've never met him. I just wanted to comment that the last night in a city phenomenon is legit I think. My last out of town trip from BKK I spent three nights in Saigon, and two in Phnom Penh. The last night in each city was by far the best....aside from the hangovers the next morning when you have to travel.
I'll vouch for Slubu too having met him. Stand up guy with strong vibe and style.
Getting inspired by this thread, keep it coming. Can't wait to make it East.
Getting inspired by this thread, keep it coming. Can't wait to make it East.
"A flower can not remain in bloom for years, but a garden can be cultivated to bloom throughout seasons and years." - xsplat
Why is the California ID called "The White God Factor"?
Curious as to the origins of this since it makes no sense.
Curious as to the origins of this since it makes no sense.
Because the Indian American writer Maheshwari coined the phrase for his book "White God Factor" when talking about the former soviet space in the 90s. It was originally popularized by Mark Ames of eXiled. Google for "a white god in Minsk".
Quote: (07-23-2013 05:06 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:
We have to keep this forum honest so we don't end up like the other side, so to that end Partizan was right to voice any doubts he has about a story posted on here. It doesn't mean he was saying he outright doesn't believe Slubu but merely that what happened seems so improbable that he has a duty to question it especially since he knows Russia. We all have a duty to politely question things posted, no hate implied towards the poster when doing so. I've been called out before and called others out, it's all good banter.
I read your threesome post and famous Kiev one with interest and knowing Russia I have to have a heavy dose of scepticism too. Did you have a threesome? After reading your post I say yes you did. I think you had a threesome just like I believed your Kiev stories BUT I also believe the girls were straight up prostitutes, no doubt about it in my mind. The way you described everything, especially the two Siberian girls story, and the way the girls acted just screams 'Russian pro' to me, it's not even in question. I have no right to say you paid them money or even if you knew they were whores but they were as pro as you can get. Why do I say that? Threesomes happen right? Mad shit goes down in the wild east right? Russia is a conservative place outside of the big two. Russian dating culture works very differently to our own something people who have not been don't really get. They see white girls and think western attitude. Nope. So even if you SNL'd in the provinces you are doing well because they are much more conservative than us. Wolverine who posted here had the looks, language, cultural background, everything and he never SNL'd in the provinces on his trips. Their history developed along different tangents to our own in western Europe and is Asiatic in social and cultural influence ( 'scratch a Russian you will find a Tartar' ) so even long before the great schism Russians were conservative. People think of the 90's and think slutty white women but that was an anomaly in the history. A whole clusterfuck of social economic and geo-politic problems and disasters meant that there was a desperation that made women do things out of their cultural norm. Forget the 90's guys when thinking about the FSU, let it play no part in your judgement of the women or desire to visit.
So back to the threesome: not only is it conservative but let's add on that you speak poor Russian, you had to use a translator on your phone to understand them which means you speak poor Russian since they were not discussing macro economics but simply saying 'let's go to yours' ( a regular Russian girl saying let's go to yours after half an hour of meeting her hahahahaha ). Add on to that you are on holiday and it's your last night so there was zero chance of a relationship, it was purely sex. Well women get horny but Russian women will still control that desire to stay within their social and cultural mores. Not only that but they led the whole thing you said, demanding you leave your friend, ordering a cab themselves, leading you to the bang location, instigating a threesome, all typical Russian 'pro' behaviour and definitely not normal Russian woman mindset. That is no more Russian girl behaviour than wearing hot pants in Riyadh is Saudi girl behaviour. The only way this could happen is of they were absolutely blind drunk and you had known them for a period, THEN and only then it might might happen but still almost certainly not.
People say 'but it's Siberia and white god factor' I have an American friend who has lived and worked in Siberia for two years, in a even more off the path city than N'Birsk. He is way into Siberia, he is a straight up New Yorker, he reads this forum and he must be pissing himself laughing reading this because he knows the reality of the place and the reality is despite his 'white god factor' you only bang after dates, shit I doubt he has even had an SNL in his entire two years there and the boy is a fearless approacher. I have been as far off the tracks as you can get in Russia, I speak good Russian, I have better cultural understanding than most having been married to a Russian for 5 years and made over 30 trips to the region and I can count on two fingers my SNL's outside of Moscow in the FSU. Of course your game could be 100 times better than mine but still.
So yes I believe Slubu had a threesome like I believe you fucked 4 Ukrainian chicks in three days last year but I also will say that I have zero doubt in my mind that they were professionals. Either way it doesn't matter. Even if you paid you had a threesome with two devs, nothing wrong with that it's what adventurous trips are about.
Safe travels.
+1
No doubt that the women whom Slubu had the threesome with (thats if he did) were pros.
I've met Slubu. Hes doesn't mince words and hes not the lying type. Russian girls are notorious for having "economic boxes". Just flashing a Cali ID is sign that the guy is rich. That plus the novelty factor is huge.
RVF loves banging foreigners, maybe its not unusual that girls do too....
@vorkuta and partisan- slubu looks young. Id say no more than 24 or 25. White guy, well put together, decent style, undercover game.
RVF loves banging foreigners, maybe its not unusual that girls do too....
@vorkuta and partisan- slubu looks young. Id say no more than 24 or 25. White guy, well put together, decent style, undercover game.
WIA- For most of men, our time being masters of our own fate, kings in our own castles is short. Even those of us in the game will eventually succumb to ease of servitude rather than deal with the malaise of solitude
Quote: (07-22-2013 10:35 PM)WestCoast Wrote:
Add me to the list who 100% believe it.
That's your perogative.
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This may start some shit, but most people who "need" proof and are "always skeptical" are usually failing at life or game, or worse both.
No I am not failing at life or game. Career wise everything is going nicely for me and I have no problem meeting women where I live.
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That or they are new to the forum and don't realize the vast majority of guys who have been here for a long time post the truth, since telling the truth is all part of improvement and game.
Just like Mixx, Dash, Deb and NN (who left here under a cloud) were longtime regular posters whom amassed a high post count and rep points. I have to admit that I, like many others were sold the bullshit spouted by Dash, Mixx and especially Deb Auchery who later turned out to be an absolute fraud. There are striking similarities in Slubu's account of Novosibirsk and Deb's of Lviv, i.e. stories of threesomes, picking up and smashing multiple women using Google translate and waving around the passport or Californian I.D. card in this case, despite obvious lack of language/conversational skills. Deb's accounts in the end did not stack up and neither does Slubu's so excuse me for being sceptical but chances are I have been to the FSU/EE alot more times than you and many others on this forum. I know the place, I know the mentality of the women, what makes them tick, the behaviour, look and lifestyle of the local dudes and all the other titbits of society that would leave one either in starstruck of awe or punching the walls with frustration.
I wholeheartedly agreed with Roosh's account of Ukrainian/FSU/EE women and life there in general based on my own first hand accounts of being there, living there, eating the crap food, dealing with the red tape, corruption, experiencing the socio-economic life and importantly the intricacies of actually dating these women whose personalities can be described as ranging from complex to outright sweet and feminine.
Provincial Russian women as slubu described do not behave like this, I am sorry. I know them. I know quite a few of them. Simple fact of the matter is that they were pros. Just looke at their behaviour. I give you a good example. I went on two dates with a solid 25 y.o. 8 blondinka during my first visit to Ekaterinburg in 2009. I met her through a local wingman friend who was a good friend of hers, i.e. social circle. Her English was crap and so was my Russian but she told me that during her student days she worked as a stripper in one of Ekaterinburg's many strip clubs to make ends meet funding her undergraduate university studies. Now I will leave it to your imagination of the various multi tasking roles that a stripper does in any given Russian strip club but it sure isn't filing, typing the minutes of the board meeting and answering the phones. Anyway, I came under the impression that I was going to get the leg over no problem. Guess what mate, I didn't. I had a make out with her but that was it. She knew I was only in town for 3 weeks and was just another passing tourist. She did not want the quick bang. She wanted a relationship, maybe perhaps marriage but I was not able or willing to do that. We still keep in contact and she is shacked up now with some other bloke. She was just your ordinary run of the mill provincial Russian chick. Believe you me, they don't put after 45 minutes of you using Google translator, waving around the Californian I.D. card and the promise of zavtrak and champers back in my gaff. The women in Slubu's account acted like pros and no doubt were.
As for the White God factor, its been completely overblown here. I did not have women swooning at my feet when they found out I was Irish. Northern Europeans are more desirable than Yanks in them parts but what I got was a mixture of curiosity, friendliness and yes some of the WGF but a very small glimpse. It did not get me into any clubs or soley get me bangs. I had to come up with the rest.
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Note, the last day impact is likely related to the heavy "I don't give a fuck vibe" it's your last day, you're not gonna meet your fucking "soul mate" so you go hard as hell and end up having extremely high energy.
Some you lads have alot to learn in life let me tell you. This is no Thailand or the Philippines. Get out of the safety zone of the US, Colombia, Mexico and the usual tourist traps.
I on the other hand believe the slubu story because I had the same experience of being proposed a threesome on cold by Russian women.He also wrote that he met them in a club different than the mainstream ones.It is also Siberia girls there are supposed to be more easily impressed I see it with the Russian women I have met who come from there.They are simpler and more easily impressable.Appearance wise they are inferior to what you meet in the European part of Russia.
Quote: (07-23-2013 12:00 PM)DVY Wrote:
I've met Slubu. Hes doesn't mince words and hes not the lying type. Russian girls are notorious for having "economic boxes". Just flashing a Cali ID is sign that the guy is rich. That plus the novelty factor is huge.
This is not some go-go bar in Bangkok or Manila mate.
Quote: (07-23-2013 12:57 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:
I on the other hand believe the slubu story because I had the same experience of being proposed a threesome on cold by Russian women.He also wrote that he met them in a club different than the mainstream ones.It is also Siberia girls there are supposed to be more easily impressed I see it with the Russian women I have met who come from there.They are simpler and more easily impressable.Appearance wise they are inferior to what you meet in the European part of Russia.
Says your man who uses cash/gift transactions in order to get the leg over.
Come on Kamaki, you have been hauled over the coals on this, firstly for over exaggerating the dangers that a non Russian Slav faces in provincial Russia and second, openly advocating P4P.
Quote: (07-23-2013 01:00 PM)Partizan Wrote:
Quote: (07-23-2013 12:57 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:
I on the other hand believe the slubu story because I had the same experience of being proposed a threesome on cold by Russian women.He also wrote that he met them in a club different than the mainstream ones.It is also Siberia girls there are supposed to be more easily impressed I see it with the Russian women I have met who come from there.They are simpler and more easily impressable.Appearance wise they are inferior to what you meet in the European part of Russia.
Says your man who uses cash/gift transactions in order to get the leg over.
Come on Kamaki, you have been hauled over the coals on this, firstly for over exaggerating the dangers that a non Russian Slav faces in provincial Russia and second, openly advocating P4P.
The dangers are there.There are gopniks lots of drunk people and bullies.Russia is no Ukraine.Police is also much more hardcore in Russia.It is more tense not only for foreigners but for Russians as well.
As for the exchange thing all Russian women I met wanted an exchange in the sense of expensive hotels,clothing etc.I also believe that slubu bought at least some bottles in this club with Russian women nothing is for free.
Ok you got me, I admit it I made it all up. Now let's move on.
Tomsk is a pretty damn sweet city. Of course initial impressions, but tons of young girls, very receptive, lots of English spoken, actually a nice city too (or maybe I'm just coming off the hellhole that was Novo). Had a fun day and now first night out. Will report back.
Tomsk is a pretty damn sweet city. Of course initial impressions, but tons of young girls, very receptive, lots of English spoken, actually a nice city too (or maybe I'm just coming off the hellhole that was Novo). Had a fun day and now first night out. Will report back.
Tomsk is meant to be a good looking town by Siberian standards right? My first ever Russian teacher was from there and she told me that it had lots of wooden houses still standing. Probably a nicer vibe than N'birsk I imagine.
Quote: (07-23-2013 11:51 AM)Partizan Wrote:
+1
No doubt that the women whom Slubu had the threesome with (thats if he did) were pros.
"No doubt" huh? I guess your one stripper account of the chick who didn't want to bang you now applies to all of provincial Russia? Quite the swath of land there.
Perhaps they were, and perhaps they weren't, but to say for sure is a real reach. Either way he didn't pay them, so who cares really what they moonlight as anyways?
Quote: (07-23-2013 12:26 PM)Partizan Wrote:
Northern Europeans are more desirable than Yanks in them parts
Try flashing California ID with a Los Angeles address without an Irish accent and you would be surprised at what it does. Yes, Northern Europeans are probably more desirable than some yahoo from Wisconsin, but we are talking about a unique place that exists to some degree in nearly every woman in the worlds fantasies.
Ironic that I have nearly the same night as him with 2 Russian woman thousands of miles away also using Google Translate extensively. The girl I banged spoke about 3 words of English. Attraction was created by something other than the deep conversations which we certainly didn't have.
Weird and crazy shit still does happen. I know its hard to believe because its not 1993 anymore, but it really does.
Slubu, post up some cell phone pix (not girls, but just vicinity) so we can get a feel for the vibe.
Quote: (07-23-2013 01:19 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:
Tomsk is meant to be a good looking town by Siberian standards right? My first ever Russian teacher was from there and she told me that it had lots of wooden houses still standing. Probably a nicer vibe than N'birsk I imagine.
It just feels a lot better, as gay as that sounds. Yup wooden houses, nicer people, just a great vibe.
Quote: (07-23-2013 01:20 PM)Qwest Wrote:
Quote: (07-23-2013 11:51 AM)Partizan Wrote:
+1
No doubt that the women whom Slubu had the threesome with (thats if he did) were pros.
"No doubt" huh? I guess your one stripper account of the chick who didn't want to bang you now applies to all of provincial Russia? Quite the swath of land there.
Perhaps they were, and perhaps they weren't, but to say for sure is a real reach. Either way he didn't pay them, so who cares really what they moonlight as anyways?
Quote: (07-23-2013 12:26 PM)Partizan Wrote:
Northern Europeans are more desirable than Yanks in them parts
Try flashing California ID with a Los Angeles address without an Irish accent and you would be surprised at what it does. Yes, Northern Europeans are probably more desirable than some yahoo from Wisconsin, but we are talking about a unique place that exists to some degree in nearly every woman in the worlds fantasies.
Ironic that I have nearly the same night as him with 2 Russian woman thousands of miles away also using Google Translate extensively. The girl I banged spoke about 3 words of English. Attraction was created by something other than the deep conversations which we certainly didn't have.
Weird and crazy shit still does happen. I know its hard to believe because its not 1993 anymore, but it really does.
Man, we would run through this region. Wish you got that visa! If this continues though guess what I'll be making a semi-perm residence out here.
By the way, a lot of girls wear see through clothing here. Spent about 5 hours with a girl today with full bra exposed, straight model body. Her friend was just ok though. Not sure if I can convert this one or if it's platonic.
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