[LeBeau]

(07-15-2013 09:11 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

institutional racism which will punish some in the justice system more harshly than others, for example.

Agreed.

This may not be exactly what you were referring to, but here's one example that comes to mind.

I didn't realize how big the disparity was between sentencing someone related to crack, versus cocaine, until I watched this:

[iknowexactly]

In general, you can't prove a negative. For instance, there may be a pink unicorn on the other side of the moon.

But if you flew up there in a spaceship and saw no unicorn, that doesn't mean anything. Tomorrow there might be.

[Architekt]

(07-15-2013 09:16 PM)Citlalli Wrote:  

This thread is weird, a lot of people caring about being perceived as racist in the face of the law or by their peers, but not about racism actually existing in their society. Can you not see how one could influence the other...?

Feminists claim that wolf whistles are equivalent to rape. Doesn't make it so.

Besides that, the point of this thread is not whether racism exists or not, it's about the plausibility of deflecting unjust accusations made towards you.

@Lebeau: Is that the documentary which talks about the privatisation of prison and encouraging lower class crime through music to line the pockets of the rich?

[Kabal]

How could you prove to me that you're not a witch?

Any demonstration you proffer that you're not a racist will not be accepted by someone who has gone so far as to call you a racist. In fact, they may even retort with something like "that's exactly what a racist would say to claim that they're not racist.

Absence of evidence of being a racist will not be accepted as evidence of absence of racism.

When a girl accuses you of being a player, do you start stammering "Ah um no I'm uh definitely not a player I just got out of a three-year relationship and before that I went out with a girl for six months in fact our first date was at her favorite rest--"

Of course not.

You should handle and dismiss accusations of racism the same way.

Agree and amplify: "Yeah sooo racist, just got out of the Klansmen rally. You should had came, they had great hor d'oeuvres."

If you're a white guy, PC-fascists and their ilk will always try and pin you between the rock and a hard place--you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

For example, a cultural studies class I took in college pointed to high White Male/Asian Female coupling rates as proof that white men think of Asian women as submissive sexual objects, and simultaneously pointed to low White Male/Black Female coupling rates as proof that white men hated black people.

The same class explained that white America promulgated Asian overachievement as a way to subjugate and discourage blacks--white people wanted Asian people to make more money and get into better colleges in order to put down blacks--the buzzword in the literature for it was "racial stratification," the "stratification" term lifted from geology.

When someone calls you a name in a discussion, it's an ad hominem to try and attack your character and motives instead of addressing the substance of your words.

There is a strong inverse correlation between how quickly someone accuses you of being a racist, misogynist, sexist, Keynesianist, Bayesianist, etc. and their strength of argument.

[UrbanNerd]

It is damn-near impossible to not be labeled a racist because one may say something that they "think" is a valid statement, but the receiver can interpret that statement based on THEIR past experiences that the sender usually has no idea about. Throw in assumption from just one of the sender/receiver (or both) and there is your infinite ways to be labeled a racist by almost doing nothing.

That is why you really cannot prove that you are not racist.

[Blaster]

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How does a white person in North America prove that they aren't racist? (serious)

By asking the question you've already lost. You've given in to the frame of the shit-stirring media and political agitators. You've conceded (at least) the following assumptions:

1. The definition of racism
2. That racism is always blameworthy
3. That you are guilty until proven innocent

None of those are valid assumptions. Discrimination and stereotyping as a consequence of racism are often blameworthy, but those details matter and remain hidden when you accept the troll's assumptions.

Quote:

We've seen how extreme people like Adria Richards can be with her tweets like "Black people CANNOT be racist against White people. Racism is a position of the oppressor who has the power"

Adria Richards is an idiot, but there are lots of people who believe her. Where this idea might come from is that discrimination comes from a position of power. Courts in the US use this concept to help distinguish laws that actually violate the Equal Protection clause from laws that some people might merely dislike. Generally, in a democracy, if you don't like the law then you change the law. But a group without political power and subject to discrimination may unable to use legislative channels to effect change. This is known as a suspect class. What happens when a law might be discriminatory towards a suspect class is that the court will apply strict scrutiny, which basically means that the State needs to have a really fucking good reason for the law or else the court will strike it down. This does not mean other laws cannot also be discriminatory towards people not in a suspect class, it just means that the court will only strike them down if the State can't provide any valid reason (aka "rational basis") for them.

This makes a lot of sense, however it failed to anticipate the victimology that would become so prevalent as various minority groups (women, gays, etc.) scramble to gain suspect classification and preferential treatment in equal protection cases. Another unfortunate side effect is people like Adria Richards and whoever was responsible for her education who don't understand the subtleties of the courts and law and treat it like a gospel.

[Gmac]

This thread proves:

A) We have a lot of racists on these boards
B) Racists are beta
C) You just realized you were both A & B

or

D) Gmac doesn't give a fuck about stupid conversations like these and neither should you, so take my advice: shut the fuck up and stop replying to pointless threads.

[Architekt]

@Gmac: You cared enough to reply

[Mage]

You know how gays use this wonderful excuse about homosexuality not being a choice?

Funny thing is that being white is treated as your guilt while it is definately much less your choice then being gay.

A:You are white!
B: It's not my choice!

A:You are racist!
B: It's not my choice!

A:You are thin!
B:It's not my choice!

A:You are a mysogynist!
B:It's not my choice!

Even baby murderers today get sympathy by claiming they had no choice. You should start using this card to make it sound like you are a victim. It's both passively liberal and alpha unapologetic at the same time.

[j r]

It's funny how some of the same people who freak out about being accused of being racists are the same people who have no problem making sweeping generalizations about race.

Do you guys actually know what this word means?

[Samseau]

The idea that one cannot prove themselves as a racist is ridiculous. It just proves the term is meaningless, much like the term rape has been rendered meaningless.

For me, racism has a clear and objective definition that can be defined within a moral framework. It is as follows:

A racist is someone who denies another person their basic rights on account of their race.

Thus, saying black people are smelly isn't racist. It's bigoted, rude, and offensive as hell, but it's not racist.

Saying blacks should be taxed at a higher rate than whites, however, is racist.

Saying blacks have low IQ's on average is not racist. Again, it's rude, mean-spirited, generally pointless to say and highly inflamatory, but it's not racist.

Saying blacks should not be allowed to vote, however, is racist.

Racism is an old term that goes back to the slave days of when there were many whites who truly believed blacks were not people and deserved no rights as such. Those were old-school racists.

There are no more true racists today, but liberals like the power of using blacks to terrorize conservative whites into politically correct fear so they continue to use the word racist dishonestly and against it's original meaning.

Racism has become a witch hunt word, but if you remember what the true meaning of racism is, you can proudly declare yourself to anyone that you are not even remotely racist.

[Architekt]

(07-15-2013 09:58 PM)j r Wrote:  

It's funny how some of the same people who freak out about being accused of being racists are the same people who have no problem making sweeping generalizations about race.

Do you guys actually know what this word means?

Generalisations aren't the issue. Is it racist to say that many Africans have dark skin? No. That's just an observation. Is it racist to say that Europeans usually have light skin? No. That's just an observation. Is it racist to assume that somebody is going to be racist, based on their race? Yes. That's the issue here - the blame is being deflected away from actual racism to include a broad spectrum of people who don't have any kind of prejudice to detract attention from people who are guilty of it but like to claim they're above it. Similar to the tactic feminists use when pulling the sexism card

[A War You Cannot Win]

Show them your ethnically diverse 'human centipede' creation in your basement.

[The Beast1]

All arguments about an -ism or the like are simple shit tests. Agree and amplify the shit out of it and you'll leave looking in tact.

Don't forget, "Cool story bro" is an excellent defuser of any baiting for a race, gender, class, debate.

[LeBeau]

(07-15-2013 09:22 PM)Architekt Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 09:16 PM)Citlalli Wrote:  

This thread is weird, a lot of people caring about being perceived as racist in the face of the law or by their peers, but not about racism actually existing in their society. Can you not see how one could influence the other...?

Feminists claim that wolf whistles are equivalent to rape. Doesn't make it so.

Besides that, the point of this thread is not whether racism exists or not, it's about the plausibility of deflecting unjust accusations made towards you.

@Lebeau: Is that the documentary which talks about the privatisation of prison and encouraging lower class crime through music to line the pockets of the rich?

Yeah I'm not sure why Citlalli was trying to insinuate things there, at least you get it.

I definitely care about those existing social issues, but this is a hypothetical discussion, not a mutually exclusive one.

In regards to the doc, it's more so focused on the experiences of a lot of the biggest known emcees growing up during the crack epidemic during the 80's, and how this shaped hip hop as we know it. They also talk about the war on drugs and it ends with Obama signing the Fair Sentencing Act of 2010.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

If you're out to prove anything to anyone, you're already in the wrong mindset for life.

That said, the only places where you have to "prove" you're not racist are the two places where races are deal with as symbols, not groups of individuals. Those places are the media and academia. They make money this way.

When you actually get out into America -- in the high schools, the workplaces, etc. -- you'll find most people get along without having to prove shit. There are not news stories every day about race wars.

Why is this? It's because when we actually know each other, we know the individual, not what he symbolizes. In my old office, there were people of all sorts of races. No one went on about "white privilege" or "black disenfranchisement" because on a person-to-person level, it didn't pan out that way. Some of the whites were uneducated and in delivery position; many of the blacks were managers or on the creative team.

If there was any division in the workplace, it was that the guys of all races and positions were constantly complaining about the women's behavior. In my group there was me (ethnic) and white Southern-ish guy, a Filipino guy, and a black guy. Race never came up as a problem in or out of the office. Women did. A lot.

[GameTheory]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of...egative.22

http://departments.bloomu.edu/philosophy...gative.pdf

[StealthAlpha]

Don't prove it. Be yourself. I don't do shit for minorities and I rarely have anyone call me a white devil etc. Do something for you, your family, your people. Honestly nonwhites as their own respective kin groups, don't care about you. And the ones that do, do so in a negative way ie victim status.

[vinman]

No. It's like being accused of touching a child "in appropriately". Somebody somewhere will still believe it.

[playa_with_a_passport]

(07-15-2013 08:03 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  

How does a white person in North America prove that they are not racist?

Very simply actually, tell your Black friends what some White people really think of them when they are not around. You get extra points if this is a Black person you work with. This is actually more effective than you chastising your coworkers/friends for racist behavior or actions.

Something as simple as telling the new Black guy at work, "Watch you back my dude, the last 5 Black tokens here were fired off some dumb shit. Play the Game and I got your back if I hear them plotting against you." This will get you his trust and loyalty for life.

Blacks are in total denial about the existence of White Supremacy 2.0. They get a rare peek of it when they read the comment section of most blogs, newspapers articles and p0rn sites but the hamster inside their heads dismisses it as trolling."that's people online being dicks, all the Whites at my job/school/neighborhood/military unit like and respect me." Just tell them that ain't so.

[j r]

Not only is this a race troll thread, but it's also a hamster thread. I am a simple man so I like to simple definitions. Here's the dictionary definition of racism:

Quote:

rac·ism
[rey-siz-uhm]
noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Sweeping generalizations about race is racism. That's it, end of story. Justifying actions against individuals, not because of anything they did but because they belong to a certain ethnic group is racism. Saying that America is a white country and too much Hispanic immigration will ruin it is racism.

Some of people who are commenting on this post would proudly claim to be red pill on race or to be down with HBD, but for some reason the word racism rankles you. Why? Just own it. Otherwise, you sound like the women who say that just cause they fuck a lot of guys it does not mean that they are sluts.

[Architekt]

@j r: I'm not sure what definition you're reading, but all of those you listed include terms of prejudice, not just generalisation

[Quintus Flaminius]

My advice, ignore the racism charge,the left won't stop race baiting, seriously, even if there were no more Whites in the US, they'd still keep it up, they'd turn pure blooded Africans against the mulattoes. the mulattoes against the Hispanics, the Hispanics against the Asians, etc.

I mean come on, look what happened to Zimmerman, one would believe that a Hispanic Democrat that tutors Black kids would receive some sort of concession by the the leftist hamsters, didn't happen.

The other thing is, 'racism' makes money, a lot of money for TV networks, remember the Sikh temple shooting?
This was an act of genuine racism, a Neo Nazi moron deliberately killed dozens of innocent people in cold blood.
Compare the way the two incidents were covered by the MSM, notice the difference?
The reason is, simple, 40 million Blacks are a bigger market than a few hundred thousand Sikhs.

I'm pretty sure that, for reasons like this alone, deep down, most minorities, do NOT trust the Democrat party, I certainly don't.

[Blaster]

(07-16-2013 06:06 AM)j r Wrote:  

Sweeping generalizations about race is racism. That's it, end of story. Justifying actions against individuals, not because of anything they did but because they belong to a certain ethnic group is racism. Saying that America is a white country and too much Hispanic immigration will ruin it is racism.

This paragraph is internally inconsistent.

Specifically: a sweeping generalization is not the same thing as applying stereotypes to individuals justifying actions. They might both be racism, but being guilty of the first does not imply being guilty of the second. (Though being guilty of the second usually implies being guilty of the first).

[Caligula]

Be like Big Pun and regulate every shade of the ass.

http://rapgenius.com/Big-punisher-still-...#note-5630