[Deluge]

Discarding the 5% Muslim in Britain figure from Pew Research for no other reason than being "progressive" is pure hamsterism. You can't just throw out the facts when it doesn't happen to fit in with your world view. The whole breeding like flies talk of Muslims in Europe are having 4-8 kids is bullshit too. European Muslim fertility in 2010 was 2.2 children per woman, compared to 1.5 children per woman for non-Muslims, while the former would fall to 2.0 and the later would rise to 1.6 by 2030.



If you think Muslim fertility in Europe sounds way too low, checkout what Muslim fertility actually is in the Muslim countries where the immigrants come from. Iran has less than 2 kids, Turkey has 2, Tunisia 2, Morocco 2-2.5, Algeria 2.3 kids, Bangladesh 2.5-3, and Pakistan 3-.3.5. And then remember that immigrants from those countries fertility falls even further in their new countries.

[iknowexactly]

(05-20-2013 03:14 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 02:26 PM)j r Wrote:  

If any of you guys believe that you can make accurate and precise predictions about what's going to happen thirty years from, you're wasting your time on this forum. You should be finding ways to monetize that ability.

I think your attitude sums up why the West is dying. People don't give a shit about their kids, the future, or anything else except themselves.

How to profit off the death of a civilization: sell guns?

Do you include the USA in what's dying? Because you can't even get a parking spot at the mall. The middle class all around here in Northern California look smart, healthy and not about to engage in anything crazy.

All I see happening is a gradual Latinization of the USA, we may very well get the nice family orientation of the Mexicans along with the more transparent gubmint of the US. The rich will continue to steal almost everything good, but when in history was that not true?

If you think the USA is dying, what exactly, in objective and numerical terms with dates, do you think is going to happen? It's always easy to say "Chaos is coming", unless you have a date where you become wrong, such proclamations are worse then meaningless.

[iknowexactly]

(05-19-2013 02:27 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Guys like Anders Brevik will lead a nationalistic front in twenty years once he gets out of jail and Islamic population hits critical mass.

Has any Islamic nut besides the 9/11 hijackers killed 70+ non-combatant people like Brevik? At 15 hijackers and 3000 dead, they have 200 deaths each on their hands.

His grandiose certainly in killing 70 presumably non-violent young people for some presumed eugenics strategy to me is reprehensible . I'm gnerally against capital punishment, but to be honest I'd be quite happy if the parent of one of those dead kids takes him out the day he's released. I'd be somewhat surprised if they don't find a way to continue to hold him on national security grounds.

[Kabal]

(05-20-2013 11:07 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

All I see happening is a gradual Latinization of the USA, we may very well get the nice family orientation of the Mexicans along with the more transparent gubmint of the US. The rich will continue to steal almost everything good, but when in history was that not true?

We already have been seeing increasing Latinization of the USA (well, more like lower-class Mexicanization), and concomitant are an additional source of higher crime rates and net-tax-recipiency from them and their descendants.

If you want family-oriented people, then let's lure more Chinese, not lower-SES Mexicans. Even if the Chinese arrive poor, at least they and their descendants are lower in crime and there's a greater chance of them and their descendants being net value-adds to society.

[Galnuc69]

Why exactly should I care about this? How will this negatively effect my life?

[Volk]

Family oriented? Latinos. The US is just getting a mix of good apples with bad apples.
There's a general idea in central and some south american countries : Familia antes que Vida : "Family before Life".
It's just that some people who go up north don't even have family left to begin with, thus nothing to lose.

[iknowexactly]

(05-20-2013 11:20 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 11:07 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

All I see happening is a gradual Latinization of the USA, we may very well get the nice family orientation of the Mexicans along with the more transparent gubmint of the US. The rich will continue to steal almost everything good, but when in history was that not true?

We already have been seeing increasing Latinization of the USA (well, more like lower-class Mexicanization), and concomitant are an additional source of higher crime rates and net-tax-recipiency from them and their descendants.

If you want family-oriented people, then let's lure more Chinese, not lower-SES Mexicans. Even if the Chinese arrive poor, at least they and their descendants are lower in crime and there's a greater chance of them and their descendants being net value-adds to society.

Looks like you might be right as far as illegal immigrants getting free health care.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials...system.htm

It's too late however, Mexicans are a swing voter group and the Repubs need to get some from the Democrats to win anything beside the House.

Might as well just live my life, there's no possibility of stopping it as far as I can see, and Mexicans are far, far less potentially toxic than Islamists. i don't think that all people from Islamic countries are murderous loons however.

Maybe there's a successful American strategy-- make it so cushy to live here as an iillegal that they never get pissed off. It's not like the jobs have are exactly the 10 million bonus kind people on Wall St get.

[Samseau]

(05-20-2013 09:27 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 03:14 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 02:26 PM)j r Wrote:  

If any of you guys believe that you can make accurate and precise predictions about what's going to happen thirty years from, you're wasting your time on this forum. You should be finding ways to monetize that ability.

I think your attitude sums up why the West is dying. People don't give a shit about their kids, the future, or anything else except themselves.

How to profit off the death of a civilization: sell guns?

Those types of demographic changes are the exact ways Jim Rogers makes money these days. It doesn't need to cater to the violence. The muslims are multiplying in the EU and becoming richer. The goods that are demanded in Europe will shift. Lots of non violent changes will happen and why not take advantage of the situation?

No one said you shouldn't take advantage. But to pretend that the changes will be good for everyone is disingenuous.

(05-20-2013 10:27 PM)j r Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 07:07 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 06:54 PM)j r Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 03:14 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 02:26 PM)j r Wrote:  

If any of you guys believe that you can make accurate and precise predictions about what's going to happen thirty years from, you're wasting your time on this forum. You should be finding ways to monetize that ability.

I think your attitude sums up why the West is dying. People don't give a shit about their kids, the future, or anything else except themselves.

How to profit off the death of a civilization: sell guns?

It's not that at all. I just don't buy into the whole end of civilization/Muslims and Mexicans are taking over/the west is dying thing. By all meaningful quantitative measures, this is the best time to be alive and only getting better.

You are smoking some strong stuff. By all quantitative measures, the world is in a worse condition than it was 50 years ago.

Making money: Worse (check inflation, check average stock returns over past ten years, bond yeilds, etc)
Having a family: Worse (Birthrates at all time lows, marriage rates at all time lows, divorce rates at all time highs, women are overwhelmingly slutty)
Getting a job: Worse (http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet)
Cultural Solidarity: Worse (America's more segragated than ever)
Education: Worse (Test scores at all time lows, education debt at all time highs, youth unemployment at all time highs)

Do you have a single quantitative data point to refute anything I said? I could provide graphs for each of the points above if necessary. But right now it appears you are living in denial.

Why would a black man want to live in 1962?

Because:

- He came from a two parent family with lots of siblings
- He could look forward to dating black women who weren't totally hypergamous or pyscho
- He would be seen as "taboo" and "experimental" by white women instead of today's standards of merely "passe" (Pretty much the best time in America's history for a black man to score white pussy was during the 1960's in most major cities but especially Cali)
- If he went to college he could expect a standard of living much, much, much, much higher than if he went to college today.
- Incredible music

True there was some discrimination but it's a small price to pay in comparison for all the good times the 1960's offered.

Any man who'd pass up the opportunity to be 18 in 1962, regardless of color, would be making a serious mistake.

Be honest JR: Would you rather be born to a two parent family in 1962 or a Single-Mom in 2013? There's just no comparison in terms of quality of life.

[Brosemite]

(05-20-2013 11:41 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 11:20 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 11:07 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

All I see happening is a gradual Latinization of the USA, we may very well get the nice family orientation of the Mexicans along with the more transparent gubmint of the US. The rich will continue to steal almost everything good, but when in history was that not true?

We already have been seeing increasing Latinization of the USA (well, more like lower-class Mexicanization), and concomitant are an additional source of higher crime rates and net-tax-recipiency from them and their descendants.

If you want family-oriented people, then let's lure more Chinese, not lower-SES Mexicans. Even if the Chinese arrive poor, at least they and their descendants are lower in crime and there's a greater chance of them and their descendants being net value-adds to society.

Looks like you might be right as far as illegal immigrants getting free health care.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials...system.htm

It's too late however, Mexicans are a swing voter group and the Repubs need to get some from the Democrats to win anything beside the House.

Might as well just live my life, there's no possibility of stopping it as far as I can see, and Mexicans are far, far less potentially toxic than Islamists. i don't think that all people from Islamic countries are murderous loons however.

Maybe there's a successful American strategy-- make it so cushy to live here as an iillegal that they never get pissed off. It's not like the jobs have are exactly the 10 million bonus kind people on Wall St get.

Well from the Islamic ppl I've been acclimated with in the States, these were all ppl that excelled academically/professionally, work hard, and contribute to society while observing their faiths peacefully.

It sounds like the stereotypical Islamic people moving into Western European societies however bring nothing to the table, mooch off of free benefits, and refuse to buy into the respective national identities all while procreating exponentially in already smaller countries population wise. It's not just something I'm seeing in this thread but things I've heard from people in already heterogeneous European countries that actually embrace diversity & new cultures during my visits.

[Samseau]

(05-20-2013 10:54 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

Discarding the 5% Muslim in Britain figure from Pew Research for no other reason than being "progressive" is pure hamsterism. You can't just throw out the facts when it doesn't happen to fit in with your world view. The whole breeding like flies talk of Muslims in Europe are having 4-8 kids is bullshit too.

Those charts are inconsistent. It says France in 2010 only has 3.57 million Muslims but according to the NYT article I linked you the Interior Ministry of France claims 6 million. Here it is again:

Quote:

Whatever the impact, there is little doubt that conversions are growing more commonplace. “The conversion phenomenon is significant and impressive, particularly since 2000,” said Bernard Godard, who is in charge of religious issues at the Interior Ministry.

Of an estimated six million Muslims in France, about 100,000 are thought to be converts, compared with about 50,000 in 1986, according to Mr. Godard. Muslim associations say the number is as high as 200,000. But France, which has a population of about 65 million, defines itself as secular and has no official statistics broken down by race or creed.

And then according to the Wikipedia article we get so many numbers my head spins:

Quote:

A study from INED and the INSEE in October 2010 concluded that France has 2.1 million “declared Muslims” including between 70,000 and 110,000 converts to islam.[1]

Quote:

The United States Department of State placed it at roughly 10%,[2] while two 2007 polls estimated it at about 3% of the total population.[3] The CIA World Factbook places it at 5–10%.[4]

A Pew Forum study, published in January 2011, estimated 4.7 million Muslims in France in 2010 (and forecasted 6.9 million in 2030).[5]

According to Jean-Paul Gourévitch (fr), there were 7 million Muslims in France in 2007.[6]

By the way - the Pew Forum Study mentioned in the wikipedia article says 4.7 million in 2010, but the Pew Forum Study you linked to only says 3.57 million. This means either Wikipedia cited the wrong numbers or the Pew Forum study changed theirs.

I spotted another inconsistency in the Pew Forum study - it says that Greece is only 5% muslim, when in fact the number is nearly double. All of my Greek friends tell me 10% of Greece is Islamic, but that their government does not include the illegal immigrants.

One thing is certain - no one wants to keep an accurate track of how many Islamic immigrants there are. This is suspicious. There are too many conflicting numbers and reports, so you know political propaganda is at play. The Pew Research Center gets it's stats from European governments, who themselves release conflicting numbers on how many Muslims there are.

Given how Progressive the average European government is, I would say they are hiding the truth about this and under-reporting the true numbers in order to avoid causing a panic. They have a lot to lose if they report a high number, but very little to lose if they report a low number.

Thus you know the governments are full of shit, just like the US government's employment stats are full of shit, just like China's GDP numbers are full of shit.

Quote:

If you think Muslim fertility in Europe sounds way too low, checkout what Muslim fertility actually is in the Muslim countries where the immigrants come from. Iran has less than 2 kids, Turkey has 2, Tunisia 2, Morocco 2-2.5, Algeria 2.3 kids, Bangladesh 2.5-3, and Pakistan 3-.3.5. And then remember that immigrants from those countries fertility falls even further in their new countries.

I will admit, if Muslims become increasingly secularized and drop their birth rates, then it won't be a problem.

Unfortunately there is zero historical precident for this, and I suspect those numbers in the Pew report have been doctored by European governments as well.

Take a look at the evolution of Egypt within the past 50 years, from a Modern Progressive state into full blown Islamic tragedy. The photos below are from the University of Cairo.

Egypt, 1959: A newly liberated and Progressive country. It starts to take in women into it's universities.

   

Egypt, 1978: A Progressive utopia. The class is equally divided between men and women. But not everything is as it seems...

   

Egypt, 1995: Suddenly, 50% of the women of the graduating class are wearing burkas. No big deal, right? Just religious freedom. They'll never take over the majority of secular Egyptians.

   

Egypt, 2004: Full blown Muslim. Burka-burkastan.

   

Egypt, Present Day: Women raped in Tahrir sq, all freedom of press and speech have been banned, Muslim brotherhood rules with an Iron Fist, the country is completely broke and people are starving.

GG

[Samseau]

(05-20-2013 11:07 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 03:14 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 02:26 PM)j r Wrote:  

If any of you guys believe that you can make accurate and precise predictions about what's going to happen thirty years from, you're wasting your time on this forum. You should be finding ways to monetize that ability.

I think your attitude sums up why the West is dying. People don't give a shit about their kids, the future, or anything else except themselves.

How to profit off the death of a civilization: sell guns?

Do you include the USA in what's dying? Because you can't even get a parking spot at the mall. The middle class all around here in Northern California look smart, healthy and not about to engage in anything crazy.

All I see happening is a gradual Latinization of the USA, we may very well get the nice family orientation of the Mexicans along with the more transparent gubmint of the US. The rich will continue to steal almost everything good, but when in history was that not true?

If you think the USA is dying, what exactly, in objective and numerical terms with dates, do you think is going to happen? It's always easy to say "Chaos is coming", unless you have a date where you become wrong, such proclamations are worse then meaningless.

The USA is on it's way out. Just because we've got people spending their welfare checks en masse each year means nothing.

Now, I'm not predicting chaos and death. I'm predicting POVERTY. Grinding, endless poverty. The way most humans have lived for 99% of history. Our prosperous time of history is coming to it's close, similar to how it did in 1100 AD.

And you know what? It's probably going to be good for the people. Especially the women.

[iknowexactly]

(05-21-2013 01:08 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Egypt, 2004: Full blown Muslim.



Egypt, Present Day: Women raped in Tahrir sq, all freedom of press and speech have been banned, Muslim brotherhood rules with an Iron Fist, the country is completely broke and people are starving.

GG

Although I an wary of alarmism, it is true that in certain situations a minority of bullies can make the remaining docile majority miserable. That's my understanding of where Iran is now.

i think it's much more likely to happen in countries with historically Muslim majorities however-- as in Egypt and Iran.

[Samseau]

(05-20-2013 11:18 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 02:27 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Guys like Anders Brevik will lead a nationalistic front in twenty years once he gets out of jail and Islamic population hits critical mass.

Has any Islamic nut besides the 9/11 hijackers killed 70+ non-combatant people like Brevik? At 15 hijackers and 3000 dead, they have 200 deaths each on their hands.

His grandiose certainly in killing 70 presumably non-violent young people for some presumed eugenics strategy to me is reprehensible . I'm gnerally against capital punishment, but to be honest I'd be quite happy if the parent of one of those dead kids takes him out the day he's released. I'd be somewhat surprised if they don't find a way to continue to hold him on national security grounds.

Brevik was explicitly targeting the future Progressive political leaders of Norway. That little camp was an extremely influential meetup for young Progressives.

Brevik's goal (if you read his blog) is to make the Conservative movement powerful in 20-40 years, when Muslim population will be hitting critical mass, so he wanted to kill the future Progressive leaders now so the Conservative movement will not have to deal with them once the conflict begins.

Brevik is insanely calculating on a Machiavellian level. Pure evil, but he definitely has a method to his evil. I wonder how Brevik will feel is no conflict materializes?

[Galnuc69]

I don't understand Samseau, we should oppose Muslim Immigration because they oppose women attending universities en masse? Why is that something that Western man should be fighting for?

[iknowexactly]

(05-21-2013 01:12 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The USA is on it's way out. Just because we've got people spending their welfare checks en masse each year means nothing.

This is a gross mischaracterization of how the US economy is functioning-- people spending welfare checks.
As the above poster mentioned, your argument appears to be straining to declare large failures regardless of the data.

Here's the chairman of the House Financial Services committee saying the opposite of what you are.

http://ashbrook.org/publications/onprin-v12n1-oxley/

I suppose because he's a politician he knows absolutely nothing, or is completely lying?

I think you need much more substantive, balanced data sources to make even a partially credible claim like the USA is "on its way out"? Tell that to the Tesla stockholders, we have many of the very smartest people in the world here busting ass to innovate in computers, genetics, medicine, and alternative energy. As well as almost unlimited farmland. All this is going to go bust because....?

As I've argued before, what's for sure is that in 50-60 years we'll all be old or dead. Why not look at what can actually be done besides frivolous doom-saying.

[Samseau]

(05-21-2013 01:27 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  

I don't understand Samseau, we should oppose Muslim Immigration because they oppose women attending universities en masse? Why is that something that Western man should be fighting for?

I have not made any particular condemnation towards or against Islam in this thread. That is for you to decide. Do you think Islamic domination will be good or bad? Is it better to be a man in Saudi Arabia, or a man in France?

All I am doing is painting the picture: Islam has a clear plan to invade and take over whatever country it can get, via cultural warfare (as opposed to military warfare).

Iknowexactly Wrote:

i think it's much more likely to happen in countries with historically Muslim majorities however-- as in Egypt and Iran.

Not necessarily true. Study up on the history of Lebanon during the 20th century. It went from Christian majority to Islamic majority in a short 80 years.

In fact, Egypt also used to be a Christian nation (thousands of years ago).

[iknowexactly]

(05-21-2013 01:17 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 11:18 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 02:27 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Guys like Anders Brevik will lead a nationalistic front in twenty years once he gets out of jail and Islamic population hits critical mass.

Brevik was explicitly targeting the future Progressive political leaders of Norway. That little camp was an extremely influential meetup for young Progressives.

Brevik is insanely calculating on a Machiavellian level. Pure evil, but he definitely has a method to his evil. I wonder how Brevik will feel is no conflict materializes?

You're raising an interesting question, but ultimately the feelings of grandiose, murdering scum warrant no concern compared to the feelings of productive, helpful citizens.

And when someone murders 70 because they're convinced they "might" become political leaders that "might" let too many Muslims in, they are narcissistic past the point of insanity in their confidence and ruthlessness.

Scum is scum, their rationalizations do not reduce their guilt. Just the same for the 9/11 hijackers.

[Samseau]

(05-21-2013 01:46 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(05-21-2013 01:17 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 11:18 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 02:27 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Guys like Anders Brevik will lead a nationalistic front in twenty years once he gets out of jail and Islamic population hits critical mass.

Brevik was explicitly targeting the future Progressive political leaders of Norway. That little camp was an extremely influential meetup for young Progressives.

Brevik is insanely calculating on a Machiavellian level. Pure evil, but he definitely has a method to his evil. I wonder how Brevik will feel is no conflict materializes?

You're raising an interesting question, but ultimately the feelings of grandiose, murdering scum warrant no concern compared to the feelings of productive, helpful citizens.

And when someone murders 70 because they're convinced they "might" become political leaders that "might" let too many Muslims in, they are narcissistic past the point of insanity in their confidence and ruthlessness.

Scum is scum, their rationalizations do not reduce their guilt. Just the same for the 9/11 hijackers.

Really? So what if Hitler or Stalin or Mao had been killed as Children? Would it have been a mistake? Would people have denounced the killers as child-murderers?

[Galnuc69]

(05-21-2013 01:36 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-21-2013 01:27 AM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  

I don't understand Samseau, we should oppose Muslim Immigration because they oppose women attending universities en masse? Why is that something that Western man should be fighting for?

I have not made any particular condemnation towards or against Islam in this thread. That is for you to decide. Do you think Islamic domination will be good or bad? Is it better to be a man in Saudi Arabia, or a man in France?

All I am doing is painting the picture: Islam has a clear plan to invade and take over whatever country it can get, via cultural warfare (as opposed to military warfare).

If you don't condemn Islam, or women taking on traditional gender roles, than why bring up either? You are obviously bringing up women no longer being in university in large numbers in Egypt as though it is something bad. So why don't you tell us why this is a bad thing?

Why does the choice have to be between the degeneracy of the modern age and religious fundamentalism? You do realize Saudi Arabia is not the only Islamic nation, in fact, very few immigrants to Europe are from Saudi Arabia(maybe rich oil money, but surely they aren't causing social strife). Why would Europe become like Saudi Arabia, and not like say, Turkey or Lebanon? Or what makes you think these countries will become majority one ethnic group or one majority faith?

If their culture wins out, that is just Darwinism, plain and simple. The stronger culture will always weed out the weaker culture. Until Europe learns to stand for something other than decadence, materialism, and degeneracy, they won't have a leg to stand on against foreign invasion. And quite frankly, through their voting patterns, they seem to be welcoming the invasion with open arms. I have no sympathy for a society that brings upon it's own death.

[WestIndianArchie]

[Teedub]

^ It's absolutely nothing to do with race. It's to do with culture.

[bojangles]

(05-20-2013 01:45 PM)Atilla Wrote:  

The most dangerous cities in Western Europe are Glasgow and Belfast, both of which are almost 100% white-European and non-Muslim. Also note that there are nearby cities with larger immigrant populations like Hackney and Brixton, yet crime in these cities is not as high (though still very bad). The worst parts of cities like Malmo, Oslo, Berlin, Paris, and London are probably not much different from the average in Glasgow and Belfast. A Scottish friend of mine who grew up in Glasgow (one of the whitest, most non-Muslim cities in Europe) mentioned how rough it was there and that he had been stabbed three times. It’s the murder capital of Western Europe.

Not sure if you've been to Glasgow, but at least 10% of the population is from the Indian subcontinent. (around 50,000 from last government census out of 530,000) Nevermind the number of black and chinese people in the city. It's far from 100% white and non muslim. Around 8% of that 10% is Muslim. Hindus rarely live in Scotland, the Hindus in the UK are concentrated around North West/West London, Leicester, South West London (Tooting/Croydon) and Greater Manchester. So rest of "indian", "pakistani" and "bangladeshi" are usually muslims.

[Hooligan Harry]

(05-21-2013 02:39 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Naaaahhhh

I think its just a case of every town/city/country outside asia where whites have become a minority going to shit in a few years. I think thats what everyone is afraid of.

Do you have any cool internet memes or examples of where that has not been the case?

[Galnuc69]

(05-21-2013 03:43 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

^ It's absolutely nothing to do with race. It's to do with culture.

A race makes a culture, you can't separate the two.

[Teedub]

(05-20-2013 10:54 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

If you think Muslim fertility in Europe sounds way too low, checkout what Muslim fertility actually is in the Muslim countries where the immigrants come from. Iran has less than 2 kids, Turkey has 2, Tunisia 2, Morocco 2-2.5, Algeria 2.3 kids, Bangladesh 2.5-3, and Pakistan 3-.3.5. And then remember that immigrants from those countries fertility falls even further in their new countries.

Muslims from the Middle East and North Africa aren't an issue at all in the UK. In fact, I find Iranians to be absolutely assimilated and often they are verging on atheist (if they aren't openly atheist) in their outlook. One of my best mates is half-Kurdish and his Dad isn't Muslim in anything other than the geographic location of his birth really. I mean, he one professed his wish for my mate's sister to marry a "nice Muslim boy", but he isn't at all opposed to the fact her boyfriend isn't Muslim.

In the UK. it's Muslims from Somalia and the rural areas of Pakistan (I'd guess 85% of Muslims in England are Pakistani or Pakistani origin) that bring not only the negative aspects of their religion, but also fucked up backward cultural practices and ideologies. For example, cousin marriage among Pakistanis is causing a hell of a lot of birth defects among their progeny, so another strain on the NHS I suppose.