Quote: (05-20-2013 07:43 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Do you guys see what I mean by Progressives allying with Muslims in order to kill Conservatives? It will happen.

Progressives are the worst mate, I posted this vid on a thread I made about them. It's extremely relevant to the points about Islam and multiculturalism etc you're talking about.

Nothing to see here. Diversity is strength. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/E...0-07-28-50

At least the media has been shamed into actually stating rioters are immigrants. I guess the use of "youths" got to be too embarrassing.

Quote: (05-20-2013 06:06 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

Quote: (05-20-2013 02:17 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Let's say in country like Norway, in 30 years from now, is 50% Islamic and 50% Norwegian.

Quote: (05-20-2013 02:17 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

What will they do when they can no longer feed 8 of their children?

That hypothetical is so far out of the bounds of reality. According to the every trusty Wikipedia, Norway is currently 2% Muslim, Britain is 2.8 %, France is 3%, Germany 4.6-5.2%. Meanwhile Muslim fertility rates are declining towards that of the native populations in Europe and many are becoming more secular and (especially the men) intermarrying. I do think that the religious shall inherit the Earth but if Islam ever becomes large enough in Western Europe to pose a threat to Western liberal democracy and values, it won't be till we're dead.

Radical Islam is a threat to our Western culture and values, but all that using ludicrous figures like Norway being half Muslim in 30 years or Muslims in Europe having 8 kids does is make you seem like some paranoid alarmist nut job and hurt the credibility of your argument.

First of all, no where did I say that my hypothetical MUST happen. I don't know if it will take 30, 50, or 70 years, but the writing is already on the wall. 30 years was just an example, but perhaps your reading comprehension is off today?

Second, your numbers are garbage and I have no idea where you got them. Let's see, according to wikipedia:

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An Interior ministry source in l'Islam dans la République (Haut Conseil à l'intégration, November 2000, p. 26) published the following estimated distribution of Muslims by affiliated countries:

Algeria1,550,000
Morocco1,000,000
Tunisia350,000
Turkey315,000
Sub-Saharan Africa250,000
Middle East100,000
remaining Asia (mostly Pakistan and Bangladesh)100,000
Converts40,000
illegal immigrants or awaiting regularisation350,000
Other100,000
Total4,155,000

That's ~6.5% back in 2000. Today what are the numbers? According to the NYT:

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Of an estimated six million Muslims in France, about 100,000 are thought to be converts, compared with about 50,000 in 1986, according to Mr. Godard. Muslim associations say the number is as high as 200,000. But France, which has a population of about 65 million, defines itself as secular and has no official statistics broken down by race or creed.

Ten years later the number has increased by a staggering 2 million, and that's just estimated. It's probably much higher. They are breeding like flies, they are converting tens of thousands each year, and immigration continues unchecked. Meanwhile, native French women continue to behave like sluts, avoid marriage and childbirth, regular French men struggle to get by, and many French citizens are trying to escape the hell hole that is Europe.

If these growth rates continue, you'll see a French Muslim majority within 30-60 years. I'm sure the numbers are just as bad in other European countries.

Quote: (05-20-2013 08:01 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

If these growth rates continue, you'll see a France Muslim majority within 30-60 years. I'm sure the numbers are just as bad in other European countries.

Yeah, the US is much larger and more isolated than European countries and still managed to displace the native population within your 30-60 year estimate (basically in the 45 years from 1965-2010) so there is clear precedent. Several European capitals are already Muslim majorities in the youngest demographics. If anything, 30-60 years is probably too optimistic.

Quote: (05-20-2013 08:01 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote: (05-20-2013 06:06 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

Quote: (05-20-2013 02:17 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Let's say in country like Norway, in 30 years from now, is 50% Islamic and 50% Norwegian.

Quote: (05-20-2013 02:17 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

What will they do when they can no longer feed 8 of their children?

That hypothetical is so far out of the bounds of reality. According to the every trusty Wikipedia, Norway is currently 2% Muslim, Britain is 2.8 %, France is 3%, Germany 4.6-5.2%. Meanwhile Muslim fertility rates are declining towards that of the native populations in Europe and many are becoming more secular and (especially the men) intermarrying. I do think that the religious shall inherit the Earth but if Islam ever becomes large enough in Western Europe to pose a threat to Western liberal democracy and values, it won't be till we're dead.

Radical Islam is a threat to our Western culture and values, but all that using ludicrous figures like Norway being half Muslim in 30 years or Muslims in Europe having 8 kids does is make you seem like some paranoid alarmist nut job and hurt the credibility of your argument.

First of all, no where did I say that my hypothetical MUST happen. I don't know if it will take 30, 50, or 70 years, but the writing is already on the wall. 30 years was just an example, but perhaps your reading comprehension is off today?

Second, your numbers are garbage and I have no idea where you got them. Let's see, according to wikipedia:

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An Interior ministry source in l'Islam dans la République (Haut Conseil à l'intégration, November 2000, p. 26) published the following estimated distribution of Muslims by affiliated countries:

Algeria1,550,000
Morocco1,000,000
Tunisia350,000
Turkey315,000
Sub-Saharan Africa250,000
Middle East100,000
remaining Asia (mostly Pakistan and Bangladesh)100,000
Converts40,000
illegal immigrants or awaiting regularisation350,000
Other100,000
Total4,155,000

That's ~6.5% back in 2000. Today what are the numbers? According to the NYT:

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Of an estimated six million Muslims in France, about 100,000 are thought to be converts, compared with about 50,000 in 1986, according to Mr. Godard. Muslim associations say the number is as high as 200,000. But France, which has a population of about 65 million, defines itself as secular and has no official statistics broken down by race or creed.

The numbers are copied straight from each individual countries demographics page. France's numbers did seem low to me from Wikipedia, but the French government is not allowed to ask people their religion on the census, so French figures are all over the place. The French newspaper Le Monde was the source of the 3% Muslim figure, which I agree does seem much too low. For the Brits in the thread, The Times of London and the Pew Forum of Religion estimated 2.9 million Muslims in Britain in December 2010, which has 63 million people, so lets round up and say the UK is 5% Muslim.

Let's assume your 6 million Muslims in France figure is true. Muslims are therefore a bit less than 10% of the current French population since France also has 63 million people. If France were to become majority Islamic, it would need to add 51 million more Muslims without the non-Muslim population growing at all (which it is due to high native fertility by European standards and immigration from within the EU). It's mathematically impossible for the number of Muslims in France to go from 6 million people to 57 million in the 60 next years like you indicate that it will.

Quote: (05-20-2013 08:01 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Ten years later the number has increased by a staggering 2 million, and that's just estimated. It's probably much higher. They are breeding like flies, they are converting tens of thousands each year, and immigration continues unchecked. Meanwhile, native French women continue to behave like sluts, avoid marriage and childbirth, regular French men struggle to get by, and many French citizens are trying to escape the hell hole that is Europe.

If these growth rates continue, you'll see a France Muslim majority within 30-60 years. I'm sure the numbers are just as bad in other European countries.

You said that France added 2 million Muslims in 10 years. If France has 6 million Muslims and added 2 million in the last 10 years and this were to continue into perpetuity (yes I know there'll probably be even more Muslims added this decade, but let's run with these current figures) it would take 255 years to add 51 million Muslims, and that still wouldn't leave you with a Muslim majority in France because the non-Muslim population there will have grown a bit in those two and a half centuries due to the France's aforementioned high native French birth rates (by European standards) and immigration from within the EU. Muslims will make up a big part of Europe's population, but they won't be a majority in any of the countries we're talking about in our lifetimes.

It's also worth checking out France's newborn stats.
In 2010 80% of all newborns in France had both their parents born in Metropolitan France, and only 5.4% of newborns had both parents born outside the EU.

Once again, if you want to raise awareness about the threat Radical Islam poses to our democracy and values you can't throw around bullshit like x country being majority Muslim in 60 years and use terms like "breeding like flies" and expect anybody to take you seriously.

Its the amount of people who identify as Muslim who are below the age of 10 that makes you worry. Sure, 5% of a population sounds tiny, but when the over 60's start dying off you're left with a much higher percentage and a youth dramatically different to the generation that just died. It's pretty bloody treasonous of you ask me. Sure, this is only in the big cities, but the shit they cause at such a low percentage makes you wonder what they'll be doing when they're at 20%.

Look at Scandinavia, it used to be a paragon of peaceful Nordic solitude, now it has Islamic ghettos where police daren't tread. The stories that come from those countries these days are enough to make you understand why Breivik went as mad as he did. I'm not a fan of religion in general, but Islam definitely seems to produce the most violent and barbaric young men when they come into contact with Western enlightenment values.

Quote: (05-20-2013 07:43 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

They're probably protesting the fact that President Hollande is a sellout and a fraud.

http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2013...wing-race/

Banning the word race? Talk about insanity.

Meanwhile, as Islam over takes Catholocisim in France here's what progressives are saying:

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Speaking on behalf of French President François Hollande at the inauguration ceremony of the mosque in Cergy, French Interior Minister Manuel Valls articulated the Socialist government's policy vis-à-vis the construction of new mosques in France. He declared: "A mosque, when it is erected in the city, says a simple thing: Islam has its place in France."

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3426/i...ism-france

Do you guys see what I mean by Progressives allying with Muslims in order to kill Conservatives? It will happen.

Right. The guy has only been in office a year and he's already got the lowest ratings of any president in 32 years. This isn't the U.S., where the bulk of the population is pacified by SUVs, front lawns, and good water pressure. People are really involved in politics here. The French love France; fuck with their way of life too much and you get one of these:

Quote: (05-20-2013 09:23 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Its the amount of people who identify as Muslim who are below the age of 10 that makes you worry. Sure, 5% of a population sounds tiny, but when the over 60's start dying off you're left with a much higher percentage and a youth dramatically different to the generation that just died. It's pretty bloody treasonous of you ask me. Sure, this is only in the big cities, but the shit they cause at such a low percentage makes you wonder what they'll be doing when they're at 20%.

How many of those Muslim men will become secular? How many will marry out of their religion? How many of the one's that are left over are actually religious and not just Muslim in name only? How many of the actual observant ones have radical views? Until we know those answers we don't know exactly how big the problem is.

Quote: (05-20-2013 09:23 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

Look at Scandinavia, it used to be a paragon of peaceful Nordic solitude, now it has Islamic ghettos where police daren't tread. The stories that come from those countries these days are enough to make you understand why Breivik went as mad as he did. I'm not a fan of religion in general, but Islam definitely seems to produce the most violent and barbaric young men when they come into contact with Western enlightenment values.

Yeah I heard that about Sweden too. Malmo is supposed to be the most dangerous city in Sweden because of immigration, but RVF members who've been to and live in Sweden disagree.

Quote: (04-11-2012 03:48 AM)Laner Wrote:  

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I heard Malmo is a ghetto and one of the most dangerous cities in Sweden. Largely because of immigration.

Malmo has a "ghetto". But it is the nicest ghetto you will ever see. And dangerous? You would have to be VERY unlucky to have anything happen to you here. It takes a bad rap (especially from Stockholm) but the reality is almost NO ONE in Sweden has even been here. In my opinion, they are missing out.

Quote: (04-11-2012 04:41 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

If Malmö was the size of Detroit it would have 45 murders in a year.

The Malmo "gangstas" wouldn't survive a week on a Detroit street corner.

Quote: (04-10-2012 11:41 PM)Bronan the Barbarian! Wrote:  

Malmo is "dangerous" by Swedish standards, but by any other standard, it's pretty safe. I live in one of the safest cities in America and I'd say Malmo is comparable to the city I live in. It's mainly immigrants that occasionally shoot each other. If you've been to any major city, you're going to be fine in Malmo. But yeah, you're totally right, watch out for the immigrants and you're good to go.

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That hypothetical is so far out of the bounds of reality. According to the every trusty Wikipedia, Norway is currently 2% Muslim, Britain is 2.8 %, France is 3%, Germany 4.6-5.2%. Meanwhile Muslim fertility rates are declining towards that of the native populations in Europe and many are becoming more secular and (especially the men) intermarrying. I do think that the religious shall inherit the Earth but if Islam ever becomes large enough in Western Europe to pose a threat to Western liberal democracy and values, it won't be till we're dead.

Nope, your math is totally incorrect. Also, the fact that Progressives keep their own governments from correctly reporting how many Muslims are around merely prove that none of the numbers can be trusted.

Henceforth, I will only count sources from Islamic authorities themselves (who have no reason to lie), and US Sources (who are less likely to lie).

Now let's get onto the math part.

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Radical Islam is a threat to our Western culture and values, but all that using ludicrous figures like Norway being half Muslim in 30 years or Muslims in Europe having 8 kids does is make you seem like some paranoid alarmist nut job and hurt the credibility of your argument.

Didn't they teach you what exponential growth is in high school? Australia's school system must really suck ass.

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The numbers are copied straight from each individual countries demographics page. France's numbers did seem low to me from Wikipedia, but the French government is not allowed to ask people their religion on the census, so French figures are all over the place. The French newspaper Le Monde was the source of the 3% Muslim figure, which I agree does seem much too low. For the Brits in the thread, The Times of London and the Pew Forum of Religion estimated 2.9 million Muslims in Britain in December 2010, which has 63 million people, so lets round up and say the UK is 5% Muslim.

See what I wrote above. I don't trust any of these numbers, Progressive propaganda is bullshit.

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Let's assume your 6 million Muslims in France figure is true. Muslims are therefore a bit less than 10% of the current French population since France also has 63 million people. If France were to become majority Islamic, it would need to add 51 million more Muslims without the non-Muslim population growing at all (which it is due to high native fertility by European standards and immigration from within the EU). It's mathematically impossible for the number of Muslims in France to go from 6 million people to 57 million in the 60 next years like you indicate that it will.

No, it's called exponents. If Islamic women have 4-8 children each, per generation, then 10 million becomes 30-60 million within four to six generations.

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You said that France added 2 million Muslims in 10 years. If France has 6 million Muslims and added 2 million in the last 10 years and this were to continue into perpetuity (yes I know there'll probably be even more Muslims added this decade, but let's run with these current figures) it would take 255 years to add 51 million Muslims, and that still wouldn't leave you with a Muslim majority in France because the non-Muslim population there will have grown a bit in those two and a half centuries due to the France's aforementioned high native French birth rates (by European standards) and immigration from within the EU. Muslims will make up a big part of Europe's population, but they won't be a majority in any of the countries we're talking about in our lifetimes.

Horrible math. Please go review your exponents. It's not 2 million Muslims every 10 years, it's a 40% increase every 10 years. A 40% increase on 10 million Muslims means 14 million. 40% increase of that means 21 million. 40% increase of that is 29.4 million.

Bam. In 30 years you've got almost 30 million Muslims, compared to the negative birthrates of native French which will be around 50-60 million. And since the birthrates are negative those 50-60 million Frenchmen will be mostly old farts, hardly the kind of men who can fight a war. You'll probably have no more than 10 million French youths to compete with the 10 million youths produced by the next generation of Muslims.

But let's say there is no war. 40% increase of 29.4 million is 41.16 million. This is only 40 years in.

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It's also worth checking out France's newborn stats.
In 2010 80% of all newborns in France had both their parents born in Metropolitan France, and only 5.4% of newborns had both parents born outside the EU.

I'm pretty sure these numbers are meaningless since many of the Muslims living in metropolitian France are already second or third generation. This immigration has been going on since the late 1980's.

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Once again, if you want to raise awareness about the threat Radical Islam poses to our democracy and values you can't throw around bullshit like x country being majority Muslim in 60 years and use terms like "breeding like flies" and expect anybody to take you seriously.

If people want to take me seriously, I expect them to have completed at least a 10th grade level of math. Guess I'm expecting too much.

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Right. The guy has only been in office a year and he's already got the lowest ratings of any president in 32 years. This isn't the U.S., where the bulk of the population is pacified by SUVs, front lawns, and good water pressure. People are really involved in politics here. The French love France; fuck with their way of life too much and you get one of these:

France hasn't been this badass since WW1. After WW1, they became totally pussified. After being conquered and cuckolded in WW2, they became downright omegas. It's the land of eternal socialism, handouts, and entitlements.

My best friend's family is French. They long for the days of when France was a world empire slaughtering barbarians in foreign lands. They left France back in the 90's once they realized that place was toast. The fact that Hollande was even elected speaks volumes about France.

Quote: (05-20-2013 01:06 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

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Right. The guy has only been in office a year and he's already got the lowest ratings of any president in 32 years. This isn't the U.S., where the bulk of the population is pacified by SUVs, front lawns, and good water pressure. People are really involved in politics here. The French love France; fuck with their way of life too much and you get one of these:

France hasn't been this badass since WW1. After WW1, they became totally pussified. After being conquered and cuckolded in WW2, they became downright omegas. It's the land of eternal socialism, handouts, and entitlements.

My best friend's family is French. They long for the days of when France was a world empire slaughtering barbarians in foreign lands. They left France back in the 90's once they realized that place was toast. The fact that Hollande was even elected speaks volumes about France.

I won't argue with that assertion. I just got back from eating a $12 pita for dinner and walked through a really pony part of town, Le Marais, going through the Place de Vosgues.

I must have walked by 60 restaurants in a 1km walk home. Table after table of people sitting, enjoying their expensive ass meals, replete with wine, drinks, everyone smoking, guys enjoying cigars. In my head I thought "Your country is getting taken over and you know it. You're all pissed off about your economic and immigration policy yet here you are, getting fatter and lazier by the day, while you assume your elected officials have your best interests in mind and you expect them to fix all your problems."

My aunt just took me on a tour of Paris. We were passing all these famous hotels, places I've heard of my entire life because of work and the legendary restaurants that are at these hotels. Really classic places like the Hotel Crillon. She said they're all getting bought by Persians, Japanese, and Chinese. I wonder how many French citizens know that.

The future of capitalist countries resides in the younger generations and if they'll have the incentive to stick in out in their native countries. It was different 100 years ago before you could buy a plane ticket online and 16 hours later be on the other side of the world. There was incentive to get involved in politics and defend your values with your life. Now, it's all too easy to pack up and head to greener pastures, especially when liberal policymaking is deteriorating the quality of life for the average citizen.

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield...rease-500/

""Sweden now has the second highest number of rapes in the world, after South Africa, which at 53.2 per 100,000 is six times higher than the United States. Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped.

In 2003, Sweden’s rape statistics were higher than average at 9.24, but in 2005 they shot up to 36.8 and by 2008 were up to 53.2. Now they are almost certainly even higher as Muslim immigrants continue forming a larger percentage of the population.

From what I’ve read in Pew surveys, it does seem like there are large numbers of radical Muslims in Britain especially, so no doubt that has to be addressed. If Muslims are not secularizing, everyone’s liberties are threatened because, as Samseau wrote, Islam is a political religion.

I read in an article years ago citing a survey which reported “every other Turk in Germany claimed he/she would defend Germany against an Islamic country.” I could never find the original source, but it would be interesting if anyone could find it.

In Turkey, 7-12 percent of people are in favor of Shariah law (down from 21 percent in the late 1990s), although many may have differing interpretations of what that means because when some of the harsher measures of Shariah were asked, like stoning, only 2 percent were supportive. Westerners love associating Turkey with burqas and niqabs while the number of Turkish women who actually wear them is about 1%, and 0.10% under the age of 30. I was getting irritated watching “Taken 2” seeing how Turkish women were constantly shown veiled from head to toe. Most of the veiled women people see in Turkey are Arab tourists, though there are visible numbers in big cities near the big mosques.

The most dangerous cities in Western Europe are Glasgow and Belfast, both of which are almost 100% white-European and non-Muslim. Also note that there are nearby cities with larger immigrant populations like Hackney and Brixton, yet crime in these cities is not as high (though still very bad). The worst parts of cities like Malmo, Oslo, Berlin, Paris, and London are probably not much different from the average in Glasgow and Belfast. A Scottish friend of mine who grew up in Glasgow (one of the whitest, most non-Muslim cities in Europe) mentioned how rough it was there and that he had been stabbed three times. It’s the murder capital of Western Europe.

The European countries where large Muslim minorities are being hated on for creating dangerous neighborhoods actually tend to have low crime rates overall, it’s just that, like with many parts of the world, crime gets associated with certain minority groups.

I have a hard time believing the rape problem in Scandinavian countries would go away if the immigrants abandoned Islam when violent rapes take place in the US at very high rates, with the criminals disproportionately being black or Latino, and the victims usually white. It’s the same in Turkey with Kurdish people. They’re way more likely to sexually harass, molest, and abuse women. Again, it’s no different from how black and Latino men are associated with a misogynistic thug subculture, expressions like “bitch and ho,” and the catcalling and hyper-aggressiveness with women that got all the “street harassment” nonsense going.

That was just Western Europe I was talking about. The most dangerous countries in Europe overall? Russia, Latvia, Ukraine, Poland…

Quote: (05-20-2013 01:37 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  

""Sweden now has the second highest number of rapes in the world, after South Africa, which at 53.2 per 100,000 is six times higher than the United States. Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped.

Let's see, where have I heard that before?

I can't remember how many times we've going over that stat and the fact that all other nations reported figures are considered hard and accurate without question.

If any of you guys believe that you can make accurate and precise predictions about what's going to happen thirty years from, you're wasting your time on this forum. You should be finding ways to monetize that ability.

This thread is intense.
I don't know about all the predictions, but what's true is that Muslims do breed, white Europeans don't. Reproduction is key to anyone's survival. Civilization is about breeding rates..
Sweden is just a disaster. That's where they're raising white kids to be "gender neutral". Might as well make a eulogy for Sweden ahead of time because those pansies won't be fighting back.

Quote: (05-20-2013 02:26 PM)j r Wrote:  

If any of you guys believe that you can make accurate and precise predictions about what's going to happen thirty years from, you're wasting your time on this forum. You should be finding ways to monetize that ability.

I think your attitude sums up why the West is dying. People don't give a shit about their kids, the future, or anything else except themselves.

How to profit off the death of a civilization: sell guns?

Quote: (05-20-2013 03:14 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote: (05-20-2013 02:26 PM)j r Wrote:  

If any of you guys believe that you can make accurate and precise predictions about what's going to happen thirty years from, you're wasting your time on this forum. You should be finding ways to monetize that ability.

I think your attitude sums up why the West is dying. People don't give a shit about their kids, the future, or anything else except themselves.

How to profit off the death of a civilization: sell guns?

It's not that at all. I just don't buy into the whole end of civilization/Muslims and Mexicans are taking over/the west is dying thing. By all meaningful quantitative measures, this is the best time to be alive and only getting better.

Stockholm is having its second night of Muslim riots today. Cars trashed, schools burning, Swedes getting beaten up after attempting dialogue with the rioters, the usual stuff.

Youths burn 100 cars in north Stockholm riots
http://www.thelocal.se/48006/20130520/#.UZqcc5yt5qw

The media has already found the true villains of the story:

Riot police 'resorted to racial slurs' in Husby
http://www.thelocal.se/48026/20130520/

It's not that the Muslims are arriving with some unified intent to conquer, it's that the average Swede is ready to surrender to a scary looking houseplant.

Quote: (05-20-2013 06:54 PM)j r Wrote:  

Quote: (05-20-2013 03:14 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote: (05-20-2013 02:26 PM)j r Wrote:  

If any of you guys believe that you can make accurate and precise predictions about what's going to happen thirty years from, you're wasting your time on this forum. You should be finding ways to monetize that ability.

I think your attitude sums up why the West is dying. People don't give a shit about their kids, the future, or anything else except themselves.

How to profit off the death of a civilization: sell guns?

It's not that at all. I just don't buy into the whole end of civilization/Muslims and Mexicans are taking over/the west is dying thing. By all meaningful quantitative measures, this is the best time to be alive and only getting better.

You are smoking some strong stuff. By all quantitative measures, the world is in a worse condition than it was 50 years ago.

Making money: Worse (check inflation, check average stock returns over past ten years, bond yeilds, etc)
Having a family: Worse (Birthrates at all time lows, marriage rates at all time lows, divorce rates at all time highs, women are overwhelmingly slutty)
Getting a job: Worse (http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet)
Cultural Solidarity: Worse (America's more segragated than ever)
Education: Worse (Test scores at all time lows, education debt at all time highs, youth unemployment at all time highs)

Do you have a single quantitative data point to refute anything I said? I could provide graphs for each of the points above if necessary. But right now it appears you are living in denial.

Quote: (05-20-2013 06:58 PM)jaakkeli Wrote:  

Stockholm is having its second night of Muslim riots today. Cars trashed, schools burning, Swedes getting beaten up after attempting dialogue with the rioters, the usual stuff.

Youths burn 100 cars in north Stockholm riots
http://www.thelocal.se/48006/20130520/#.UZqcc5yt5qw

The media has already found the true villains of the story:

Riot police 'resorted to racial slurs' in Husby
http://www.thelocal.se/48026/20130520/

It's not that the Muslims are arriving with some unified intent to conquer, it's that the average Swede is ready to surrender to a scary looking houseplant.

Hell that's nothing. Just wait until those kids are getting elected.

Quote: (05-20-2013 03:14 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote: (05-20-2013 02:26 PM)j r Wrote:  

If any of you guys believe that you can make accurate and precise predictions about what's going to happen thirty years from, you're wasting your time on this forum. You should be finding ways to monetize that ability.

I think your attitude sums up why the West is dying. People don't give a shit about their kids, the future, or anything else except themselves.

How to profit off the death of a civilization: sell guns?

Those types of demographic changes are the exact ways Jim Rogers makes money these days. It doesn't need to cater to the violence. The muslims are multiplying in the EU and becoming richer. The goods that are demanded in Europe will shift. Lots of non violent changes will happen and why not take advantage of the situation?

Quote: (05-20-2013 07:07 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote: (05-20-2013 06:54 PM)j r Wrote:  

Quote: (05-20-2013 03:14 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote: (05-20-2013 02:26 PM)j r Wrote:  

If any of you guys believe that you can make accurate and precise predictions about what's going to happen thirty years from, you're wasting your time on this forum. You should be finding ways to monetize that ability.

I think your attitude sums up why the West is dying. People don't give a shit about their kids, the future, or anything else except themselves.

How to profit off the death of a civilization: sell guns?

It's not that at all. I just don't buy into the whole end of civilization/Muslims and Mexicans are taking over/the west is dying thing. By all meaningful quantitative measures, this is the best time to be alive and only getting better.

You are smoking some strong stuff. By all quantitative measures, the world is in a worse condition than it was 50 years ago.

Making money: Worse (check inflation, check average stock returns over past ten years, bond yeilds, etc)
Having a family: Worse (Birthrates at all time lows, marriage rates at all time lows, divorce rates at all time highs, women are overwhelmingly slutty)
Getting a job: Worse (http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet)
Cultural Solidarity: Worse (America's more segragated than ever)
Education: Worse (Test scores at all time lows, education debt at all time highs, youth unemployment at all time highs)

Do you have a single quantitative data point to refute anything I said? I could provide graphs for each of the points above if necessary. But right now it appears you are living in denial.

Why would a black man want to live in 1962?

All through history people have played on our inherent insecurity.
Usually trying to make money or manipulate people with it.

You don't need to speculate on doom- in 50 years you'll be ancient or dead, unless you believe in that upload to robots shit.

Besides, if things are so bad, why are there more people all the time? Every increase in births means people were fucking more. That should make all the PUAs happy.

Wikipedia list of apocalyptic things predicted since 634 in Rome:

This one seems particularly interesting:

634 BCEVarious RomansMany Romans feared that the city would be destroyed in the 120th year of its founding. There was a myth that 12 eagles had revealed to Romulus a mystical number representing the lifetime of Rome, and some early Romans hypothesized that each eagle represented 10 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dat...tic_events

By the way, it's absolutely beautiful here in Northern California. Warm and sunny, someone put my clothes in the dryer for me in my apartment complex on their dime, packs of horny middle class white and Asian college girls roaming the clean, peaceful streets on their bicycles, well-fed Mexican gardeners friendly to a fault cruise around in $30,000 pickup trucks. Someone would have to try pretty fucking hard to stir things up around here. My strong impression is no one wants to know about whatever particular brand of fanaticism someone might be peddling. If you can't be happy here, you've got a problem with yourself.