[rvlefty]

Finally posting old notes

Last Tuesday went to Bond with Fisto and some others. The girls here are insane...
I arrive first and grab a drink from the open bar (some kind of Bacardi event?) and while I'm waiting a Filipino girl from the UK visiting her Dad here opens me. She's with some guy friends and is a little drunk. I'm not really trying to game her but staring at her when she talks to me and pulling her in when I talk to her. I'm not attracted to her at all, she's dressed like a hipster (fashion design student), has shorter hair, has no boobs.. She attempts to reengage me during the night a couple times... the ones you don't want always want you more...
I should have broken off and opened girls instead of hanging at our table inside...


Wednesday I go to Palladium for some kind of fashion show thing, I show up late so I intentionally avoid the gay fashion show stuff... it's mostly gays and ladyboys, a few girls but they are in big groups of gays. I stall out on opening a group of 3 girls and a persistent black dude hooks the group and I see him leave with the hot one in that group later on. I go to Time early - hookers, some dude bachelor party, there is 1 mediocre white girl in a group of 6 guys.. I don't stay long..


Thursday Bond had 0 people at about 12:30, so I check out Palladium again. Curly has a VIP table with some friends, long story short, one super cute friend is into me, is wanting to come to Time with all of us, but has to go to work at 5am. I see her give her card to a Filipino server, she gives me one too.. on the cab ride she is obsessed with me touching me from the backseat and saying my name... but inside Time she isn't saying a word and goes cold... She didn't respond to my texts this weekend but tells me to come out to Time on Monday (where she is a promoter apparently too). I realize my mistake - I didn't set the pace of the interaction earlier my making it sexual, and I didn't call her on the bullshit for giving out a card (which isn't the same as giving a guy your number). I should have reverse-carded her when she pulled that shit.

Friday I am awoken at 9:30 am by hammering which goes almost non-stop until 5pm. I don't get great sleep again and when I get out of bed I feel like I've been run over by a truck. I barely eat and don't go out at night, next day I barely eat again but go out to Republic with Fisto THC and some others. I've barely eaten and every 30 mins I head to the toilet to empty what little I have out of me in liquid form. My tongue is bright yellow and I barely have any energy. I chat with a girl and she seems borderline interested but keep saying the word "friends" over and over in sentences. She is talking down about her sister doing some slutty things with guys in our group and saying she's not like that. That she likes to go on at least 3 dates because sex is better with someone you really know and trust. Later she slips me her card and doesn't want anyone in the group to see. I felt kinda shitty for her doing this - what, you aren't happy to be associated/interested with me? Again I should have reverse-carded her and said if you want to meet up, text me, I don't take cards...
Later while talking to another girl and having a drink I excuse myself and throw up liquid, I decide its time to gather what energy I have and escape home.

I end up out of it until Wednesday and barely leave the house except to buy water and a little food.

Not a whole lot memorable happens Wed/Thu that I remember.

Fri I have a date at M Cafe from a girl on DIA. She is an exec somewhere and maybe too logical like me. She kept using callback humor about things and was giving me advice on the area and was easy to talk to but the vibe was friend to friend. At Palladium I don't really get anything going. At Time I have a short freelance girl with big boobs and a little chubby super horny from biting her neck and pulling on her hair. I tell her I don't pay for girls and she and her friend say that's fine, just be nice and pay for taxi. I say ok. After another drink I feel conflicted. She asks when I want to leave. I say sorry I can't. Success barrier? Trust issues? I wonder about all the times I went to shitty clubs in Bangkok - if I was given the chance to shore there, would I take it if the time came?

Sat I have a date at 4 at SBUX that goes OK, she is not as cute as her pictures. I might still invite her over for a swim in the pool.

Another date at 8PM for a beer in Greenbelt. This one is a little bit shy. No job here yet, she moved from Bicol province for work but her parents seem to pay for things. 21, super skinny maybe 95 pounds. Doesn't really have many friends here yet she says. She keeps offering to help pay for drinks (so refreshing, I let her buy a round one time). We got for another drink at another restaurant and chat more. Go for a 3rd drink downstairs next to Havana. She dated an american in Cebu that cheated on her and told her he was 28 but actually 41. She is holding my hand at this point and fascinated at my smooth hands and white skin (girls here tell me I have 'girl hands' because they're so smooth).
Offer to go for drink at home, watch some youtube in bed, lights out, and its over. Manila dry spell over. Amazing body, very sweet and not at all needy (yet). I think as a result of being hurt before is a little hesitant. Good for her. I will probably see her again.

[truedat]

Congratz Lefty!! That was a hard won bang. Good job. Keep the momentum up now.

TD

[Mentavious]

Keep it up bro. This could be you breaking your streak.

Keep posting

[ThailandRockstar]

You definitely think and worry too much, glad you finally got the bang.

[rvlefty]

Yes I agree with that. Update on the past couple weeks.

On Sunday I had a bit of a mini-meltdown annoyed at myself and at some of the people here. More about that later. I snapped at a mumbling kid pushing roses for the third day in a row - "I don't want a fucking rose" and texted some snarky things at a couple girls being flaky about meeting up.

I saw the first girl another time where she came for a swim and banged. She slept over and next morning got a little crazy while we were doing it again and she bit me on the arm. I pushed her away and didn't say anything but just looked angry and confused at her. I made her leave and I think she knew she fucked up. It was yellow for about 5 days.

I met up with another girl for a second date that was pretty much me shopping and her following me around. I could tell she was really into me and trying to hold my hand or walk arm in arm. She had dated a foreign guy before. I take her to my place which is pretty much impossible to beat logistics wise since I can point to it and say "that's where I live" from most places in Greenbelt. While kissing her she is already moaning so I ask if she's okay if I am not staying here for a long time. She says its fine so I bang her for a while. After finishing she realizes her hand is numb from not changing positions. It was mostly doggie so she was free to move however she liked... she said it was a year since she was last with a guy which by her reactions I believe.

I understand completely why guys raw dog it. With condoms it is barely pleasurable for me. In none of the 7 bangs on my trip have I cum with fucking with a condom. I can jerk off with one, it takes a while, but the sensation feels different.

She starts getting extremely obsessive over text and asking where I am and what I'm doing multiple times per day. Sometimes, the same text twice in a row minutes apart "just in case I didn't get it". Showing up at Greenbelt and saying she's there when I know she has no reason to be there except hoping I'll come. Texting about having to see doctors because her arm pain is getting worse that she has carpal tunnel. Part of me feels guilty about causing someone pain durin an experience that should be pleasurable. But there's no way I can see her again after all the texts... I've only spent probably a total of max 5 hours together with her.

Sample text: (mixed case typing like 14 year old girl removed):
She sends a text that looks like it was "accidentally" supposed to go to her friend:
"girl u should move on becoz he already does., u know wat, im so into a new guy now, ive met before, but he dont want a gf,. he is so very irresistable, i always wanted 2 c him,sometimes i make time just to be wd him., and it feel so good and comfortable just sitting together, i really enjoying hs company., but i don't know his feelings.. my gosh,its been a long time since i havent feel like this way.,haha,its funny coz sometimes i want to tell.. him that he's so very handsome,but im shy,.anyway i think , the best place to go is bora on my bday (will stay at alta vista de boracay) for a week, what do u think?"

Anyway I go on a couple other dates, one is physically my type with long hair and big boobs but has to leave for province next day. I am more comfortable with my story here that I should have locked down a long time ago during my travels. I say I work from home doing Online Marketing while I travel so my schedule is flexible. That I am staying for 2 weeks and deciding at that point if I want to stay or move on. When they ask if I have been with Filipino girls before, I say "When I was in Cebu for 5 weeks, I met a girl and we dated for 3 weeks. We didn't call each other girlfriend or boyfriend but we didn't see anyone else. She realized that I wasn't staying forever but we were happy to have good memories of being together while we could see each other." (Mostly true). One girl that used to work in some kind of SEO that started to ask some questions over YM so I had to deflect after a while because I don't know a ton about it.

Night scene wise I have met a few girls who I hang with. Curly and short hair. They have cute friends. For me it seems like getting phone numbers of these "social circle" kind of girls is almost pointless for meeting up with day2s since there's less magic at that point than meeting in the moment and they have other stuff going on. I make the mistake of not enough intent while in person and generating good emotions while being around them.

Not to mention not playing to win by pushing hard and instead playing to not lose. Super cringe moment last week. Not Gift-level cringe (or maybe worse?) I met a cool hot girl at Time who plays poker at some bar called 'hj' that I've never heard of. She passed the freelance tests and I had verbal intent with but didn't physically escalate. We go to afterparty at promoter's house where we stay for maybe 15 minutes because she wants to leave (there's just 4 of us awake). I let her get in a taxi by herself.

I can't blame it entirely on the alcohol. Yesterday I had a first date with a tiny 4'11" 21 year old that I could tell was poor, but dressed sexy and had a nice body and looked better than her pictures. From the way she talked I got the impression she had been with a fair number of guys. During the day she works at SM Megamall in sales. That her friend who freelances told her about how much money she could make - sometimes 10,000 pesos a day! I think WTF, what guys in bars are paying that much to fuck? Or maybe her friend is just trying to suck her into the scene she makes but she would be too shy to approach guys so she's never tried doing that. Hmmm... Hearing that was still a turn off. She was tipsy from drinking a glass of red wine and I think expected would go to my place after since she didn't have a clear answer about how she would get home. She left in a taxi.

Anyway to last Saturday. I am out with short hair and 2 girlfriends. One is a solid 9 but has a foreign BF working in an oil field she's texting the entire night. The other is a 6 but cute and single. While I am at Palladium and with the girls there I see other girls checking me out - problem is they're freelancers. Short hair tells me straight up a couple have said they wanted to go with me but she tells them I don't do that. Anyway at Time short hair ditches with some random dude. I met a couple other girls that tell me I've met them before and they've "seen me with other girls" - I admit I probably failed this shit test as I'm sure they've seen me talking but I haven't fucked any of them - I'd answer in denial or logically which is the wrong answer ("were friends" or "I'm single" or agree+escalate or completely ignore).

I go with the original 2 girls for food - the 9 is bitching because she's not getting any dick (her BF is 5000 miles away) but her roomate is that left before. Gets mad and orders 3 blowjob shots at 7am in the morning. I end up paying for 2/3 of the bill. We finish and the 9 now drunk grabs her friend's hand and takes her home in a taxi. The next day looking back I could have tried to crash at their place and bang either/both of them.

The next day I think - what a waste that was spending the time I did with them and not just going for the other hotter normal single girls that are DTF. How bouncing for food is a baby step for pulling but really I could just say I have food at home 'sco. I was at Day 4 of trying noFap so I go a little insane. Maybe just the dulls from drinking. The reactions I am getting when I tell girls that I'm out eating somewhere and they don't believe me that I'm alone; or that girls think I'm doing better than I am means I'm doing some things right but what is happening is incongruent with what they believe about me is frustrating.

Monday at Time I am with a small mixed group on the roof checking it out for the first time on a Monday. With 2 couples which obviously have hooked up before. The 2 foreign dudes are older and married back home. I don't care that the girls are with them as one I've turned down before. It's not busy and there's 0 other girls. At 2am literally 15 gogo/fl girls all turn up at the same time and are dancing around and some guys are grinding on ones that they barfined and brought there. I wasn't really mad about being there, I had calmed down that day, and just thought it silly and funny and left just after the 2 couples leave.

Monday I have to give up my rental and move, I need to think if I want to stay longer in the Phils, it kills me to leave because I feel like I'm on the verge of greater success, and I have yellow fever bad... My next stops are Korea and Japan which will be pretty much Hardmode++.

[The Pirate]

When they try to shit-test you that they have seen you with other girls you put a cheeky smile on your face and say "No, I am a virgin saving myself for that special one" Then you move on to another topic. I also say "mummy" to girls who stick their nose into things that is none of their business.

Who are they to ask such a question? They should focus on keeping their "puki" clean and shaven.

[Duke Castile]

Rv lets grab a beer soon. Just from reading the above I can tell you only need a few adjustments and you'll be killing it.

[rvlefty]

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Friday was strange, I'm invited to a table of 2 older women (like 35-40) alone that have a table with 2 bottles of vodka to drink with them, they both look like a little haggard, one of them isn't even talking to anyone or dancing just sitting on her phone texting. Pretty awkward but it's free vodka.

Anyway I meet a couple of girls that are part of a table of 7-8 girls. One is wearing a top completely showing off her belly and I'm pretty sure she notices me looking at her like I want to devour her.
She does a walk-by on the dance floor, we do a subtle hand-touch as a yes, I see you.

As she is by the rail I tell her this is super awkward, they are giving me drinks but I'm not here to entertain them.

I leave to go to Time. The bigger table of girls comes and a bunch have guys with them. Sexy top sees me and I go and sit with her. I am rubbing her back and she starts getting her stuff and deciding it's time to go. I guess we're leaving!

This was just a case of girl likes me + she is drunk and horny + friends have guys + not being weird.

Wish I had taken pics of this girl... 23 and amazing boobs hiding behind her top, would almost cum from playing with her nipples. Living out in QC says she works as a background extra and is a student in HRM (but doesn't seem to be going to school now..).

ed: Photo removed.

[ImmoralPsychology]

RV, when I was there I met a girl that also hammered me with texts. I just ignored them but still, having your phone buzzing every 10 minutes is a pain.

Next time though, I'm going to manage expectations better. Right in the first conversation, (or after the first fuck, lol), I'm going to mention that I "met a girl and got along great with her, really liked her, but she was texting too much and too possessive/jealous so I had to dump her and move on just a few days into it. Don't want any crazy chicks."

I think that would temper the barrage of texts somewhat. You might want to try that?

[skyhighwaterlow]

Hello scotian,
thank you so much for this datasheet - I will follow your tip and book at Gramercy via AirBNB.

I will rent for 6 weeks in one go - I think that is safe because Gramercy is top notch and I can go ahead without seing the place first - right?

So the big question is - did you have any trouble bringing girls up to the room each day? And if so - how did you work around them? I guess you tipped the security very good? Or is it a non issue?

I am still in Bangkok, it's good here, but I am so looking forward for May in Manila Gramercy - that place looks amazing, decent gym, pool - what else do I want .... yeah - girls of course

[gamre]

(06-03-2013 01:45 AM)rvlefty Wrote:  

Another date at 8PM for a beer in Greenbelt. This one is a little bit shy. No job here yet, she moved from Bicol province for work but her parents seem to pay for things. 21, super skinny maybe 95 pounds. Doesn't really have many friends here yet she says. She keeps offering to help pay for drinks (so refreshing, I let her buy a round one time). We got for another drink at another restaurant and chat more. Go for a 3rd drink downstairs next to Havana. She dated an american in Cebu that cheated on her and told her he was 28 but actually 41. She is holding my hand at this point and fascinated at my smooth hands and white skin (girls here tell me I have 'girl hands' because they're so smooth).
Offer to go for drink at home, watch some youtube in bed, lights out, and its over. Manila dry spell over. Amazing body, very sweet and not at all needy (yet). I think as a result of being hurt before is a little hesitant. Good for her. I will probably see her again.

Congratulations on the lay. I have lived in MNL previously for a semester abroad, and I have a lot of experience gaming top talent in the PH.

I hope I don't offend you and ruin it for you -- I know I haven't met this girl yet, but I can show you some red flags on why this girl is absolutely not "high end ." You can use some of my red flags as benchmark in evaluating top talent in the PH:

1. All high end girls in the PH almost exclusively grew up in Manila. The Philippines is very poor, and the developing economy only exists in the capital. There is almost no developed city outside of Manila. High end girls outside Manila are almost impossible to be found. I have seen some, but they almost do not exist.

2. Most high end girls will have no experience dating a foreigner, unless they actually studied abroad.

3. On your other post, you said you received this message from the girl.

"girl u should move on becoz he already does., u know wat, im so into a new guy now, ive met before, but he dont want a gf,. he is so very irresistable, i always wanted 2 c him,sometimes i make time just to be wd him., and it feel so good and comfortable just sitting together, i really enjoying hs company., but i don't know his feelings.. my gosh,its been a long time since i havent feel like this way.,haha,its funny coz sometimes i want to tell.. him that he's so very handsome,but im shy,.anyway i think , the best place to go is bora on my bday (will stay at alta vista de boracay) for a week, what do u think?"
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If I understood your story correctly, it is the Bicol girl that sent you this text message, right? Look, this chick's English is extremely horrible. Top level talents will speak better than this. Girls who speak English like this are probably not used to speaking English in the first place, and therefore most likely do not speak English regularly with their friends. This message was intentionally sent to you. That is why it is written in English. She does not speak English with her friends, and if she ever did, it will be mixed with Filipino.


Honestly, if you can't tell between a high end and a low end girl, just go for the low end girl. It is much easier. If looks are equal, it isn't worth the effort to game high end girls.

Society girls are the same everywhere. If you compare a hot society Ivy League 8.5 in New York vs a hot 8.5 ranch girl in Wyoming who is undereducated and uncultured, they are just both 8.5s. The Wyoming girl will be easier.

EDIT: I'll add some more info. I'll mix high end Filipino game with society game.

The other posters here are right when they say Filipino locals can immediately identify a girl from the slums when you bring them in the nicer areas in town. Almost always immediately by eye, but 100% accurately with 3-5 qualifying questions. This goes the same in all 3rd world countries, and even with society girls in the west. It will be easy for Romney's kid to figure out whether you are in the same circle as him within 2 minutes of talking to you. This is typical society shit.

This can ruin you easily, especially in third world countries, because people there always disassociate themselves with the lower classes. There is a huge huge barrier between high end and low society. There is almost no middle class. If a high end girl sees you chatting up poorgirl7.5 in a bar, she will turn you down if you come to her next. She would not want to be in the same level as the poor chick you just tried to game. It will ruin her reputation if her friends see her. Remember, this is a small town and a small social circle. She will protect her reputation first.

Here are some qualifiers that should work in the Philippines:

1. Ask her where she went to school, and remember the names of the top universities in Manila. All the top talent in Manila will come from those schools. So easy to qualify this way. They have a different school system than we do here in the US. In the Philippines, you absolutely need money to get into a top university. Girls from the slums don't make it to these schools. Basically, you can just say, "I heard school X is good, I am thinking of taking a class there in sociology. What do you think?" All my local friends say this is the best way to qualify people.

2. Ask her where she has traveled. High end girls are more cultured and better traveled. This may sound silly, but ignore inter-SEA or Asian vacations. You can judge a high end girl if she is able to get a US or a Schengen visa.

3. Ask her what her parents do. Business owners usually are the norm. Professionals are decently paid. But take note: a guy selling flowers on the street is also a business owner.

4. Watch her English. High end girls in the Philippines will speak English really well. Some of the girls I was banging took the SATs. They will spell their text out too. Like they will say "You" instead of "U". They will know the difference between there vs their.

5. I don't know how to do this well, but most girls I know can tell cheap make up from a really good one. You can also how to tell cheap clothing and fake Louis Vuitton bags. Chicks will spot this quickly. In the US, upper and middle class girls shop at stores like Gap and Banana Rep, so it is quite hard to distinguish. In poor countries, the poor girls never make it there. They buy their shit at thrifty stores. Upper classities will get to go to Mango at least. Very easy to spot in my opinon.

6. High end girls will not take the cab, much less the train. They will have drivers or drive at least a decent looking Toyota/Honda for themselves.

7. A big big red flag is experience in dating foreign men. If she has experience, she may be one of those low quality girls they talk about in RVF who have accounts online, bouncing from one foreigner to another. If she has, it may still be OK. Ask her how they met, what he did, etc.

Personally, I used to be so big in society game, especially in my early 20s. Now I have gone out of that bubble. However, I still want girls who are both feminine and intellectual. I can't stand dumb girls for too long.

[libertad1312]

Thanks for the great information!

What do you usually tell these girls about your intention and how do you deal with it after you got the notch? In the other high end manila threat it is mentioned that you need to invest more time to get laid with these girls, which I do believe is normal for most of these kinds of girls in all kind of countries, as they have much more to loose than average girls.

Personally I do not like lying or giving somebody wrong hope so I always make it clear that I only want something casual and am not looking for a serious relationship. Take it or leave it. This works fine with average student and normal-working girls in Bangkok, but constantly cost me the best girls.

I mean if they require a few dates while already being attached - and some of these smart girls can have a damn strong self-control - then it is pretty obvious that they only want to open their legs in return of a relationship. Alcohol is not an option neither, as most of them that I met hardly drink.

I am also curious to hear why you do not like to hang out in these circles anymore.

[gamre]

(04-12-2014 01:45 AM)libertad1312 Wrote:  

Thanks for the great information!

What do you usually tell these girls about your intention and how do you deal with it after you got the notch? In the other high end manila threat it is mentioned that you need to invest more time to get laid with these girls, which I do believe is normal for most of these kinds of girls in all kind of countries, as they have much more to loose than average girls.

Personally I do not like lying or giving somebody wrong hope so I always make it clear that I only want something casual and am not looking for a serious relationship. Take it or leave it. This works fine with average student and normal-working girls in Bangkok, but constantly cost me the best girls.

I don't like lying either. To conservative women, I just say I am trying to have fun but still willing to see what happens. I say have fun, take it slow, and keep it a step at a time---but you remain open. I do think this way, so I am not really lying.

I mean if they require a few dates while already being attached - and some of these smart girls can have a damn strong self-control - then it is pretty obvious that they only want to open their legs in return of a relationship. Alcohol is not an option neither, as most of them that I met hardly drink.

Your best bet is to keep them isolated and away from their friends. They will not lose their self-control in front of their social circle, so you'll get a better shot in a private setting. It's all logistics. Bring them to your apartment. Ask them to go swimming if your apartment has one. This one does the trick. She'd have to shower in your apartment.

I am also curious to hear why you do not like to hang out in these circles anymore.

I find a lot of pretentiousness and bratiness among high society folks. It also requires a lot more effort to bang a Manhattan socialite8 vs a Brooklyn public school teacher8, despite them both being 8s. When it comes to relationships though, I still prefer an elite 8, specifically one with a good attitude.

Assuming that I am the person you are talking to, I answered your questions in bold.